I'm not discussing who makes money from the product. I'm talking about end-users, and how they benefit from buying products from a company that offers support and liability.
BTW, I'm totally for open source software/products. I work with them day in and day out. But I do see the attraction to purchasing from an established corporation.
I've had a K7S5A for a long time now (three years? started out with a Duron 750), and never had problems with this board. It's been my main system the entire time, and has had various forms of Linux, Windows 2000, and XP installed. Very compatible system with all of the operating systems I've tried so far (everything just WORKS), and I believe I paid about $60 for the board when it was new.
It was upgraded to an XP1600, and finally a mobile Athlon XP2600 (45W version, Barton core).
It is currently running with 512MB of PC2100 memory, two IDE drives, a DVD-ROM, and CD-RW, the mobile Athlon XP2600, and an ATI Radeon 9600 w/256MB of RAM.
No, it's not the cream of the crop, but it IS a very stable system that has worked at advertised speeds, and then some. I have no need to upgrade at this point, but when I do, I will be looking at ECS motherboards in the future.
Corporations two main concerns are making money, and liablity. If a third-party product used in a corporation does something that results in monetary damage, who's liable?
Microsoft can be held liable for MS products. Who do you hold liable for free (not RedHat ES, etc) Linux distributions?
I see the point, but doesn't the free truck include access to a horde of people (many with good service track records) who are willing to work on the free truck for a (nominal) support contract?
The free truck includes nothing. If you wish to rely on the services of volunteers, that's your decision.
There's also nothing to prevent you from signing a support contract with a third party. This may or may not cost as much as the warranty provided by the truck that costs money to purchase, and comes with a warranty.
You run a professional moving company, and you need to get a new truck.
So, you go to a truck dealer, and see that he has two trucks that look like they'll fit your requirements nicely. One is free, but has no warranty whatsoever. The other costs $150,000, and comes with a warranty and is supported nationwide by a chain of repair shops.
Some people complain that they're forced to use Windows at work, but is that really Microsoft's fault? Who decided to use MS for the OS platform at the office?
Now, if you use Windows at home, that's your fault.
I think Pat getting sick ultimately should turn out to be a good thing, with regards to the survivability of the distro. If anything, it made some people think about what will happen if Pat left Slackware behind (for whatever reason).
I was on the fence, tried a bunch of distros recently, and just can't find anything even close to Slackware. Gentoo's close, but too tedious for production use.
by "fixing" this warming trend, we don't really screw up some cycle the Earth goes through every couple of ten thousand years, and wipe out all of the rainforests? Or kill off a large percentage of sea life?
The planet has been around MUCH longer than we have, and goes through warming/cooling trends we really don't know all that much about. Hell, the poles shift every once in a while too... You think we ought to "fix" that as well?
I agree with the "don't think they should be made pushed onto us by law", 100%.
These new guns should be an option in all states, and if it means more people will feel safer arming themselves, and exercising their 2nd amendment rights, good for all of us.
I grew up with guns, and have a healthy respect for them. I even made sure my wife got time in at a shooting range so she could learn how to handle the shotgun I have at home, just in case. My kids will most certianly be educated in firearms and their safe handling.
Heck, everyone knows what a pump shotgun sounds like when you load a round... That sound alone should be enough to make any intruder want to get the hell outta there in a hurry!
Now, what do I have in my 12ga pump? First round is rock salt, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth rounds are reduced recoil law enforcement rounds (so I don't end up sending shot through my neighbors' houses if I miss)
If the first round doesn't make whoever I'm shooting at think twice, they don't get a second chance to think about it.
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Yeah, running XFree86 w/Fluxbox, when I need something graphical on the box.
It's not the processor that makes the system, but 32Megs of RAM, and the SCSI drives. Anything less than that, and it would be unuseable.
My old 386 is still running Linux. Going on 14 years old.
You guys make more than some of the people I work with (who maintain the systems that run call centers).
Ask around here: http://www.linuxpackages.net/
Or here: http://www.userlocal.com/
Similar to those in airplanes and cars?
Hrmm... Time to upgrade the ankle bracelets worn by all those folks under house arrest.
Sums it up nicely. Do nothing now, and you'll certianly be doing nothing later.
I just started a torrent, and I'm already over 12KB/s.
Yes, I'm sharing too.. 16KB/s up is my limit for torrents (384K DSL uplink).
I'm not discussing who makes money from the product. I'm talking about end-users, and how they benefit from buying products from a company that offers support and liability.
BTW, I'm totally for open source software/products. I work with them day in and day out. But I do see the attraction to purchasing from an established corporation.
I've had a K7S5A for a long time now (three years? started out with a Duron 750), and never had problems with this board. It's been my main system the entire time, and has had various forms of Linux, Windows 2000, and XP installed. Very compatible system with all of the operating systems I've tried so far (everything just WORKS), and I believe I paid about $60 for the board when it was new.
It was upgraded to an XP1600, and finally a mobile Athlon XP2600 (45W version, Barton core).
It is currently running with 512MB of PC2100 memory, two IDE drives, a DVD-ROM, and CD-RW, the mobile Athlon XP2600, and an ATI Radeon 9600 w/256MB of RAM.
No, it's not the cream of the crop, but it IS a very stable system that has worked at advertised speeds, and then some. I have no need to upgrade at this point, but when I do, I will be looking at ECS motherboards in the future.
You missed the point entirely.
Corporations two main concerns are making money, and liablity. If a third-party product used in a corporation does something that results in monetary damage, who's liable?
Microsoft can be held liable for MS products. Who do you hold liable for free (not RedHat ES, etc) Linux distributions?
The free truck includes nothing. If you wish to rely on the services of volunteers, that's your decision.
There's also nothing to prevent you from signing a support contract with a third party. This may or may not cost as much as the warranty provided by the truck that costs money to purchase, and comes with a warranty.
You run a professional moving company, and you need to get a new truck.
So, you go to a truck dealer, and see that he has two trucks that look like they'll fit your requirements nicely. One is free, but has no warranty whatsoever. The other costs $150,000, and comes with a warranty and is supported nationwide by a chain of repair shops.
Which one do you buy?
The new Duramax diesel engine was a joint venture between Isuzu and GM. I forget where they are produced.
That's interesting, because where I work, Microsoft and Bill didn't have any say in what we run on our servers and desktops.
That's kinda what I was thinking.
Some people complain that they're forced to use Windows at work, but is that really Microsoft's fault? Who decided to use MS for the OS platform at the office?
Now, if you use Windows at home, that's your fault.
How is their method of destroying the environment any better than ours?
In the end, we all lose.
I wonder how many people AOL will get to subscribe to VoIP services using their 56K dial-up connection?
I think Pat getting sick ultimately should turn out to be a good thing, with regards to the survivability of the distro. If anything, it made some people think about what will happen if Pat left Slackware behind (for whatever reason).
I was on the fence, tried a bunch of distros recently, and just can't find anything even close to Slackware. Gentoo's close, but too tedious for production use.
Long live Slackware!
by "fixing" this warming trend, we don't really screw up some cycle the Earth goes through every couple of ten thousand years, and wipe out all of the rainforests? Or kill off a large percentage of sea life?
The planet has been around MUCH longer than we have, and goes through warming/cooling trends we really don't know all that much about. Hell, the poles shift every once in a while too... You think we ought to "fix" that as well?
I agree with the "don't think they should be made pushed onto us by law", 100%.
These new guns should be an option in all states, and if it means more people will feel safer arming themselves, and exercising their 2nd amendment rights, good for all of us.
I grew up with guns, and have a healthy respect for them. I even made sure my wife got time in at a shooting range so she could learn how to handle the shotgun I have at home, just in case. My kids will most certianly be educated in firearms and their safe handling.
Heck, everyone knows what a pump shotgun sounds like when you load a round... That sound alone should be enough to make any intruder want to get the hell outta there in a hurry!
Now, what do I have in my 12ga pump? First round is rock salt, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth rounds are reduced recoil law enforcement rounds (so I don't end up sending shot through my neighbors' houses if I miss)
If the first round doesn't make whoever I'm shooting at think twice, they don't get a second chance to think about it.
Mossberg M590's are a nice home defense weapon.
Which emulator are you using to run BF1942?
Yeah, same tech, but much worse cell coverage in the USA.
I'll pay more for a reliable connection from Verizon, thanks.
Quantum leap? Uh, no. Not at all.
All of the systems mentioned in the last two posts, uh, had all the same capabilities (storage, printing, networking, speed) as the Mac Plus system.
Desktop publishing? That's been around as long as people had access to a typewriter and a copy machine after hours at work.
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