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WinOS+QEMU+Knoppix 3.8 = WinKnoppix!

chronicon writes "As reported earlier Knoppix 3.8 was presented and CD's distributed at CeBIT recently. For those of us who were not able to attend, some kind folks have posted a torrent for all to enjoy. Now, here's where it really gets interesting. Using QEMU (processor emulator) chris-uk has posted a modified version of Knoppix 3.8 that will run under Windows if auto-played, or if you wish, you can boot the CD for normal Knoppix. You can find the torrent here."

356 comments

  1. what's up with knoppix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    is it good or is it whack?

  2. Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can it run WINE?

    1. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know. Maybe you can run it in wine though.

    2. Re:Yes, but... by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 3, Funny

      So, the question then becomes, can wine then boot QEMU, producing a theoretical infinite amount of emulation. If only we can get it to wrap around somehow...

      I think my brain just exploded.

    3. Re:Yes, but... by Jorkapp · · Score: 1

      Its just like The Sims. You can watch your sims watching their sims watching TV.

      From penny arcade:
      "I call it the eternal jackass. There were levels of meaning there I couldn't even begin to comprehend."

      --
      Frink: Nice try floyd, but you were designed for scrubbing, and scrubbing is what you shall do.
    4. Re:Yes, but... by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 4, Funny

      But, a beowulf cluster of these knoppix cds, running the sims, watching the sims watch tv... That would probably cause the universe to fold in on itself.

    5. Re:Yes, but... by compm375 · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is one fatal flaw. Wine Is Not an Emulater.

    6. Re:Yes, but... by The+Hobo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Remember guys, any platform. Wine has also been ported to Windows.... (!)

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      There is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men. -- Boondock Saints
    7. Re:Yes, but... by mattdev121 · · Score: 0

      How about watching the sims on a sim-puter running WinKnoppix while playing the sims in wine and watching those sims watch the sims..........

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      mattdev@server$ touch /dev/genitals
      cannot touch `/dev/genitals': Permission denied
    8. Re:Yes, but... by ChairmanMeow · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm sure you meant to post this link...

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    9. Re:Yes, but... by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      That would only happen if they're watching the Simpsons on TV.

    10. Re:Yes, but... by pilardi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Can it run WINE?

      Yes, it can.

      I tried the simplest application I could think of: Putty. And it worked. I ran Putty within Wine within X-windows within Knoppix within QEMU within WinXP. I wonder how much further I could take it...

      By the way, I am posting this message within Konqueror within X-windows within Knoppix within QEMU within WinXP.

      - pi

    11. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hows about a version of Knoppix that checks to see if the computer is connected to the net then goes out and totally frells all Mickeysoft sites complete destruction including all source code the whole shabang..:-) loveley jubley

    12. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " There is one fatal flaw. Wine Is Not an Emulater.

      Neither an emulator.

    13. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but this is even better then the portable Cygwin CD. What better Unix client for Windows than *nix under QEMU?? You can even have a selection of .isos from Linux to BSD in a folder and run 'em as needed.
      Also, want to surf from Windows without Windows vulns? Want Konqueror, Firefox, Linux Opera?
      Want to go to a library and run Linux on a Winbox with DeepFreeze?

    14. Re:Yes, but... by adeyadey · · Score: 1

      Can it run WINE?

      No, but you can run it while drinking wine..

      But maybe if it did run WINE, you could run WinKnoppix under that..

      --
      "You lied to me! There is a Swansea!"
    15. Re:Yes, but... by Chetchez · · Score: 0

      Actually... It comes with WINE preinstalled. Seems to run just fine too.

    16. Re:Yes, but... by 9-bits.tk · · Score: 1
      Or at very least, cause the computer to crash. And maybe spontaneously combust.

      I like explosions.

  3. So in otherwords. . . by episodic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Knoppix continues to be all that and a bag of chips :)

    1. Re:So in otherwords. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Knoppix continues to be all that and a bag of chips :)

      Did Knoppix even exist in 1991?

  4. Woohoo a torrent! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I should have the download finished sometime within the next two weeks or maybe not.

    1. Re:Woohoo a torrent! by 1000StonedMonkeys · · Score: 1

      It's a pretty consistent 300-400K/s here. Try tweaking your router settings like the above poster suggests.

  5. Great, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the point? I can see how this makes Knoppix easier to try out, but once you're in windows, why would you want a linux distro that loses its state once you close it?

    1. Re:Great, But... by TelJanin · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can save Knoppix settings to a drive. Presumably the people have done this (couldn't RTFA, site is slashdotted)

    2. Re:Great, But... by episodic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What is the point? What is the point of art? What is the point of music? What is the point of climbing everest? What is the point of spinners? I digress. . . The point is well - hey it is cool! ( I think) :)

    3. Re:Great, But... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because you can then let people try before they buy without even needing to reboot.

      It just removes one more hurdle. People aren't going to wipe out their system just because the local geek said "its ready for the desktop".

      People need some proof that it really is better.

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      liqbase :: faster than paper
    4. Re:Great, But... by kryogen1x · · Score: 1

      You don't need to wipe your system, Knoppix is live eval. Isn't that proof enough?

    5. Re:Great, But... by jacksonyee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're right about Knoppix not needing an installation process, but in the case of naive Windows users, even asking them to reboot can be a scary concept for them.

      The other case where I can see this being useful is when you're trying to demonstrate Knoppix to someone and they already have work running on their Windows desktop - spreadsheets, telnet sessions, and things of that nature. If they can see Linux running within a window, they'll be much more likely to play around with it since they know that they can just click a close box and return to their normal routine whenever they want.

      It may not work for everyone, but for those people who this can influence, I see nothing wrong with extra shiny things to attract the naive.

    6. Re:Great, But... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How do you explain to your friend/relative whos computer is configured to NOT boot from cd to change their BIOS settings?

      I agree though, Live eval cds are invaluable, and are preferable to running a slower emulated environment, but this cd allows both options, so why not say its a good thing?

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      liqbase :: faster than paper
    7. Re:Great, But... by timeOday · · Score: 1

      I don't think running under an emulator off a CDROM will give the best impression of linux speed!

    8. Re:Great, But... by WarmBoota · · Score: 4, Funny
      [quote]but in the case of naive Windows users, even asking them to reboot can be a scary concept for them[/quote]

      Oh the horror of rebooting a windows machine!!! I'd say that it's akin to the terror of sleep, but sleep only comes once a day

      --
      90% of everything is crap. Also, crap is relative.
    9. Re:Great, But... by peculiarmethod · · Score: 2, Interesting

      but the wireless communications that carry the code for this software will propigate into space forever.. your puny mountain will only last until our Sun runs out of hydrogen and helium.

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      ** "It's not my job to stand between the people talking to me, and the ones listening to me." -- Pego the Jerk
    10. Re:Great, But... by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      but in the case of naive Windows users, even asking them to reboot can be a scary concept for them.

      Hmm, I think you're exaggerating a bit... Windows users should (and I'm not even joking) be quite used to booting and rebooting their systems. Even my mom would understand the implications of restarting the computer.

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      Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
    11. Re:Great, But... by Gherald · · Score: 1

      > but in the case of naive Windows users, even asking them to reboot can be a scary concept for them.

      You have GOT to be kidding. Rebooting is the first thing Windows users learn how to do properly!

    12. Re:Great, But... by kdark1701 · · Score: 1

      People need some proof that it really is better.

      This isn't intended to be a troll; but Windows is better for some things, like playing games.

    13. Re:Great, But... by quanticle · · Score: 1

      Hey, I take naps, and admit it you sometimes take naps too...

      --
      We all know what to do, but we don't know how to get re-elected once we have done it
    14. Re:Great, But... by tropicdog · · Score: 1

      The point I am going with is to shut the M$ fanboys up at the place I work. They think they are pretty spiffy with their crudely slapped together version of Bart's PE they made recently. Although handy, and practical for working on borked Windows formatted hard drives only, it's basically useless beyond that. They stood with their mouths gaping open when they saw me runnning Damn Small Linux off a mini-disc and with all it can do, this should get a good reaction as well. Running Linux while in a Windows session AND being able to have access to the many tools/apps available on Knoppix/Linux that absolutley kick Win apps all to heck will be satisfying. *I'm stuck in DeactiveDirectory Hell with a bunch of flaming fanboys, well, except for that 1 Linux savvy apps developer a couple of cubes away. I carry a disk folder full of various live cd distros to help me save the day in recovering "lost" data, sniff out malicious network traffic and other tasks the M$ fanboys can't even begin to touch with their so-called "tools". I'm grabbing the torrent and will keep it going as long as I can.

    15. Re:Great, But... by ionpro · · Score: 1

      I find that 50%+ of my users (Helpdesk for a top-20 university) have late model Dells. So I tell them to hit F12 and pick CD from the boot menu

      (Usually it's to run a disk drive diagnostic though. Those before-mentioned Dells have hard disks that tend to drop like flys)

    16. Re:Great, But... by kfg · · Score: 1

      What is the point of climbing everest?

      What will we have conquered? None but ourselves. --George Mallory

      Of course the mountain won that particular round. Nevermind.

      KFG

    17. Re:Great, But... by MP3Chuck · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, if I want to test my website Linux browsers (Konqueror comes to mind), this would be a lot nicer than rebooting. Or having another box around. Especially if all I need to do is test a browser.

      But even above and beyond that, it's nice to know that I have access to a Linux environment without having to do anything but pop in a CD.

    18. Re:Great, But... by PReDiToR · · Score: 1

      Rebooting is the first thing Windows users learn how to do properly!

      Actually, it doesn't usually require any interaction on their parts most of the time.

      After phoning TechSupp a few times they get the hang of it though =)

      --

      Do not meddle in the affairs of geeks for they are subtle and quick to anger
    19. Re:Great, But... by SphericalCrusher · · Score: 1

      It's a very interesting hack, I agree, but it cannot be used as the swiss army knife technique that it's best for (IMO) without having to reboot Windows. After all, you can't snag that SAM file without the system being offline. It's a great way to try it out though... I just wouldn't depend on the stability of it around the Windows OS. Hopefully it won't crash and give the user a bad impression. And hopefully some Windows fan won't put some bad code to make it crash so that the user just sticks with Windows either. Heh.

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      "Instant gratification takes too long." - Carrie Fisher
    20. Re:Great, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows is better for some things, like playing games.

      Not really, that is just a false impression you get from a lot of game developers making their games in a way causing them to work better under Windows than Linux. Had they spend the same amount of time on making it work well with Linux as they do with Windows, there is no doubt you'd get a better impression with the Linux version.

    21. Re:Great, But... by Calroth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...but in the case of naive Windows users, even asking them to reboot can be a scary concept for them.

      OK, people are asking why this is scary. Here's why:

      You reboot, and suddenly, all this small text in bright colours is crawling across your screen (at least, that's what Knoppix did, the last time I tried it). Your Windows environment is gone. You don't know if it's coming back, or even if it's reformatting your hard drive, that's what it's supposed to look like, right?

      Yeah, I know, this crap is irrational. But guess what, if the world was purely rational, Microsoft would have gone out of business ages ago...

      Having Knoppix run on the Windows desktop is reassuring. It lets you know that Windows is still there and you can return there at any time, and since all your icons are still on your desktop, your files must therefore be safe. Yeah, more irrational fears, sorry, but that's how many people think.

    22. Re:Great, But... by kaens · · Score: 1

      More like comes more than once every other day.

    23. Re:Great, But... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      Because you can then let people try before they buy without even needing to reboot.

      Or testing a cross-platform software you're developing... of course, considering an emergency situation where you can't install Linux of course.

    24. Re:Great, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who likes art, loves music, would love to climb everest and is an avid Knoppix fan I would also like to ask...

      ..what is the point of spinners ?

      The only possible way they could be cool is if they're on a burberry painted cavalier.

    25. Re:Great, But... by akadruid · · Score: 1

      The trick is not so much rebooting as ensuring that they boot from CD. Not everyone can pick that idea up easily.

      But almost any windows user can take a cd, insert into drive, and wait.

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      "Those who cast the votes decide nothing; those who count the votes decide everything." (attrib. Joseph Stalin)
    26. Re:Great, But... by CaptCanuk · · Score: 1

      That's true.
      The easier way to get knoppix on their system in live mode is to stick the CD in the tray and seal it shut. Within the day the system will be booting knoppix (saying the bios has cdrom boot enabled and before harddrive).

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      ---- The geek shall inherit the Earth.
    27. Re:Great, But... by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Mountains don't run off of solar power...

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      -- This space for lease, low setup fee, inquire within!
    28. Re:Great, But... by kdark1701 · · Score: 1

      I realize that; since game developers develop games for windows, a windows box is the practical choice for gaming.

  6. Umm by Kethinov · · Score: 4, Funny
    from the oh-klaus-you-hypnotize-me dept.
    timothy, I think you need a vacation. ;)
    --
    You're right, I wouldn't steal a car. But if it were possible, I sure as hell would download one!
    1. Re:Umm by Usquebaugh · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      A permanent vacation would be better for all.

    2. Re:Umm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      amen, brother!

    3. Re:Umm by uhlume · · Score: 1

      Oh, for fucksake, that wasn't a troll. Do I need to include fucking semantic markup in every post for people who can't otherwise parse humor?
      </sarcasm>

      Fucking modbots.

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      SIERRA TANGO FOXTROT UNIFORM
  7. now all they need to do.... by oliverthered · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is import all the settings across from windows and you can tell you granny it's the latest version of the internet and your away.

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    1. Re:now all they need to do.... by Lossy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Your webpage is busted fool. You must fix this error or I will call down Master Shake and the Mooninites against your foolish ass.

    2. Re:now all they need to do.... by oliverthered · · Score: 1

      she is alive, and slightly more valid than before.

      I had to take here down for a nap while I fixed the shoddy xhtml.

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      thank God the internet isn't a human right.
  8. WinKnoppix! by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gesundheit.

  9. hope for good performance by virtualone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    i never tried out qemu, but i suspect it to be substantially slower than a native knoppix boot.
    on top of qemu comes the fact, that the whole system runs from a cd, which by itself has bad seek times.

    i hope that people won't get false implessions, because they will get that 'linux runs slower than windows' feeling.

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    1. Re:hope for good performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you colud just mount it with Alcohol 120% or Daemon Tools

    2. Re:hope for good performance by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      qemu is a virtualizer, not an emulator. Most of the code gets run at the native speed of the host computer. Similar in principle to VMWare. You can run Linux systems relatively comfortably under qemu.

    3. Re:hope for good performance by Anne+Honime · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Qemu is damn fast, in my experience ; I wouldn't dare quantify it, but running win 98 under qemu on a 900 Mhz Athlon is perfectly OK, and it is impressive, quality-wise. Moreover, if host and target cpu are identical, there's a fast version of qemu to avoid unecessary emulations - didn't try that one, though, because it segfaulted on my FC2, and I was happy enough with the regular emulator so I didn't bother to investigate the issue any further (I did the build from CVS, so I expected glitches).

    4. Re:hope for good performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, qemu is an emulator (kqemu is a different story). You cant virtualize PPC on X86 which qemu handles fine.

      The reason qemu is so fast is that it dynamically recompiles the code.

    5. Re:hope for good performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The reason qemu is so fast is that it dynamically recompiles the code.

      So you're saying it dynamically recompiles x86 code into x86 code. That's damn clever... I think?

    6. Re:hope for good performance by Guspaz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wrong. QEMU is a full system emulator. There is a processor module availble that virtualizes the CPU instead of emulating, but it is closed-source and linux-only. As such the windows version of QEMU is a full blown emulator.

    7. Re:hope for good performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From QEMU's faq
      http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/faq.html

      Is QEMU a virtualizer or an emulator ?
      QEMU is an emulator. It means that it converts each target CPU instruction into host instructions. Therefore, it emulates any supported target processor on any supported host processor.

    8. Re:hope for good performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not? HP had an emulator called Dynamo that dynamically recompiled PA-8000 (RISC) code into PA-800 code and Dynamo often ran software faster than native. If HP can get up to 20% faster than native speeds with their emulator why can't qemu be nearly as fast as native?

    9. Re:hope for good performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      i never tried out qemu, but i suspect it to be substantially slower than a native knoppix boot.

      Well yeah, dumbass, thats kind of what happens when you emulate.

    10. Re:hope for good performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      So you're saying it dynamically recompiles x86 code into x86 code.

      That's exactly what it does, and in a portable way.

      The x86 has several modes of operation: real, v86, protected. There are also hybrid modes such as unreal mode. Also has submodes/privledge levels (rings) when in protected mode. In order to run code for any of these modes of operation in protected mode in the lowest privledge level on your machine (i.e. as a user program) it needs to recompile the code.

      It also means that if you're running on a PPC or other non-x86 machine, it dynamically recompiles x86 code into your native machine's code.

  10. Captain she can't take anymore by ejaw5 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Quick! Someone boot the server with a Knoppix CD!

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    $cat /dev/random > Sig
  11. I have that, too by CypherXero · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It's called Virtual PC 2004

    1. Re:I have that, too by datafr0g · · Score: 2, Insightful

      free, is it?

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      "Who says nothing is impossible? Some people do it every day!" - Alfred E. Neuman
    2. Re:I have that, too by gnuman99 · · Score: 1

      If you have an MSDN Universal Subscription, then yes, it is "free"

    3. Re:I have that, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it isn't. Not by anybody's reckoning

    4. Re:I have that, too by CypherXero · · Score: 1

      Actually, it is for me. I'm a IT Major in college, and we're partnered with the MSDNAA, so I get a lot of Microsoft products for free.

    5. Re:I have that, too by spac3manspiff · · Score: 1

      hmm... these warez groups keep getting creative.

    6. Re:I have that, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I'm a IT Major in college, and we're partnered with the MSDNAA[.]
      Ah; you must mean the filial of MSGNAA.
  12. Login? Why?-is it illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I understand people are supposed to login for getting torrents of illegal stuff. Why are we supposed to login for getting a legal torrent?

    1. Re:Login? Why?-is it illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do? I don't, maybe you could explain why that is?

    2. Re:Login? Why?-is it illegal? by TheKarateMaster · · Score: 1, Informative

      Huh? There's a direct link to the torrent in the article. At least, it worked for me. I wouldn't bother for a day or two, though. This torrent is officially slashdotted... My download rate at one point reached a maximum of 0KB/s

    3. Re:Login? Why?-is it illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because that's what the owner of the tracking server wants you to do. No need to be paranoid.

    4. Re:Login? Why?-is it illegal? by TheGavster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isn't the idea that a slashdotting is the best case scenario for a torrent? Provided, of course, that the traffic ramps up gradually so that there is a significant body of (different) data distributed.

      --
      "Because Science" is one step from "Because old book". Try "Because of my experiment testing my falsifiable assertion".
    5. Re:Login? Why?-is it illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YES!!!

      More the Merrier

    6. Re:Login? Why?-is it illegal? by TheKarateMaster · · Score: 1

      Yeah, now I'm getting 62 down. It was just the first ten minutes or so where I didn't get anything. I guess it handled the sudden rush better than I would have predicted. :)

    7. Re:Login? Why?-is it illegal? by Taladar · · Score: 1

      You could still /. the tracker with a really big number of downloaders in a really short time.

  13. oh mercy.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You want to put a perfectly good running OS on a shiddy Windows base why?

    1. Re:oh mercy.... by The_Wilschon · · Score: 1

      Actually, this could be very useful in some specialized applications. At my school, I sometimes want to do my homework at the library, but I need TeX. The library machines are all winxp boxes, with no TeX. Enter Knoppix! Only problem, the techs were actually smart about something for once. They disabled the cd and the floppy as boot devices in BIOS, and set a BIOS password. Crap (although, late versions of Knoppix don't have TeX anyway...). So I'm reduced to installing MikTeX temporarily on the HDD, and using windoze anyway. However, with this new deal...
      What I'd like to see is a site where you could select up to one cd's worth (or one dvd's worth) of debian packages for inclusion on a custom knoppix cd. Then the server serves up a nice shiny iso image. Of course, I guess I could do this manually, but who has the time for that! :-p And also, I guess this would kinda defeat the whole dl the iso via bittorrent idea... leading to high bandwidth costs, dead servers, etc. crap. well, nevermind on that idea.

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      SIGSEGV caught, terminating

      wait... not that kind of sig.
    2. Re:oh mercy.... by ocelotbob · · Score: 1

      You could always use cygwin, which also comes with tex and doesn't have the overhead of a complete operating system. Or go with colinux which should be a bit faster than qemu and knoppix.

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    3. Re:oh mercy.... by ViaD · · Score: 1

      Yea! You see. Win users try it on their computer, like it. Goes to bed. Wake up and start the computer, booting up Knoppix, and they will never turn back :)

    4. Re:oh mercy.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of us want to enjoy Knoppix on boxes where we aren't admins, or where the OS is Windows for other reasons. QEMU is a dandy way to check live CDs (Linux, DOS, whatever) by dropping the .iso into the QEMU folder and running qemu.bat.
      Nice way for noobs to play with Linux too.
      They can surf Linux forums for info while experimenting with Linux in the QEMU environment.

    5. Re:oh mercy.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want to put a perfectly good running OS on a shiddy Windows base why?

      It's to let Windows users try the OS, laugh for a full minute, toss the cd in the trash and go back to actually doing something useful with their computers.

  14. WTF? by pg110404 · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    So you still boot knoppix off CD, not only without leaving the comfort of windows, but not even rebooting from windows?

    What's the point? Whatever stability linux has is destroyed by being emulated through some virtual machine while windows is still running?
    a modified version of Knoppix 3.8 that will run under Windows
    Are some people just that lazy to take the extra step of rebooting their machine or is their windows uptime just that important to them?
    1. Re:WTF? by MasterB(G)ates · · Score: 1

      It is all about migration paths from windows to linux. Linux is easier to demonstrate to bosses/CTOs this way rather than rebooting.

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    2. Re:WTF? by oliverthered · · Score: 1

      If your clever you should be able to page out windows, and boot the linux kernel warm.

      I think that's more or less what VMWare does.

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    3. Re:WTF? by jhoger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Stability of Linux is only a small part of the story. But you're not right anyway. An emulator is a nice cozy environment for an OS. It should be more stable there than running natively.

      The bigger advantage for users is the number of applications freely available for Linux.

      What comes with a new Windows machine? Usually a lot of "lite" versions of various payware. Word processor, maybe. Eventually the system gets hosed and even those may be lost.

      I don't think most users have any idea what it's like to think "I wish I had a program that did ____" and then apt-cache search'ing for it 3 or 4 programs that do it ready to be downloaded...

      And Knoppix has a lot of stuff just available in the menus right off the bat. Just give the users the caveat that, yeah, this isn't going to be real fast, but it will give you an idea of what is available.

    4. Re:WTF? by pg110404 · · Score: 1

      Actually, what VMWare does is to give up a block of physical ram on guest vm power on, locking it down and then doing some clever tricks with virtual memory mapping.

      As long as the guest os thinks it's running in protected mode, it really is, and even when it thinks it's in non protected mode (as in kernel mode), it still is and any accesses outside what's been afforded for it via the virtual memory manager gets trapped translated and emulated via host os level drivers.

      VMware emulates a BX (if I remember correctly) chipset and it appears to be running on a motherboard of the P2 era. All devices are also emulated.

      It might be possible to page windows out and 'warm boot' into linux, but paging windows back in after linux is done would be problematic at best, not to mention with windows even temporarily out of the way linux could decide not to give control back to windows, in which case it would be a complicated one-way context switcher, rather than a platform emulator.

      My computer has dual boot linux and windows, but it's running linux 99% of the time and for the odd windows stuff I start a VMWare session with a secondary copy of windows loaded to do my stuff. Linux still runs and is still in charge of everything, all it does is sacrifice HD space and access, some ram temporarily and cpu cycles. Even then however, there's a definite performance hit through the emulator, and though it might be good enough for the odd thing, it's not that great for any serious stuff and impossible for some things (games).

      As for carrying on why specifically this winos+qemu+knoppix would be of any use, I'll just shut up now in case I might get modded down to redundant again.

    5. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could take this to my highschool computer science class, for example, and show off how cool Linux is. The computers refuse to boot from CD and BIOS access is blocked.

    6. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this version / varient of knoppix is supposed to make it easyer for linux newbies to get the idea of linux with out leaving windows. i dont agree with the idea i think it will make people more lazy. but thats what the maker of qemu knoppix intended these for.

    7. Re:WTF? by oliverthered · · Score: 1

      'but paging windows back in after linux is done would be problematic at best, not to mention with windows even temporarily out of the way linux could decide not to give control back to windows, in which case it would be a complicated one-way context switcher, rather than a platform emulator.'

      Do exactly what Windows does when it normall goes to sleep, page out all the memory into a file[memory, hdd, internet,printed in brail] and then page it back in again, reset a few odds and sods onthe CPU and your away.

      I would expect that the Linux software suspend extensions can be hacked to cope with a copy of Windows just as well as they do with a copy of Linux.

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  15. Time to try Linux (again) by fohat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've recently been looking into running Linux on my primary desktop to record music with. I could never get the Knoppix live CD to run correctly on my Gateway X700 system. I'll have to try this version and see if I can get anything to work.

    Linux has been a frustration of mine for the past 4 years. I know a smattering of Unix commands and even armed with that I still can't ever seem to get a program downloaded and working like I can with windows. I'm looking forward to trying it again before I make the move to DeMudi.

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    1. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Please try a few flavours of Linux. At least try Ubuntu's Live CD (GNOME based) as well as Knoppix (KDE based). To really love Linux you've gotta find the distribution that is "right for you".

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    2. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by brsmith4 · · Score: 0, Troll

      I've recently been looking into running Linux on my primary desktop to record music with.

      Don't even bother. The software that is available currently is utterly unacceptable for any type of music recording. Don't get me wrong, there are a few programs that have a lot of promise, but as of now there is nothing noteworthy. I've definitely got my share of Linux knowledge and I have had great difficulty getting the simplest of things to work correctly. Compiling and running is one thing... not having your entire plugin system crash on you is another. Windows and Macs have wonderful VST and DXi instruments with useful interfaces and very fast algorithms. Linux' LADSPA, while from a programmer's stand-point is quite impressive, is by no means a user-friendly setup.

      In a nutshell: The features are not there, the stability is not there, the usability is not there, and the overall effectiveness of the applications is just not there.

    3. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by fohat · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the response. I've been toying with the idea of a Mac and will have to give it some more thought.

      One application that I found recently through a friends school project, is Audacity and was quite amazed. One reason I started leaning towards Linux is due to the fact that this software seems to have many more Linux plugins then Windows based.

      Stability is certainly a major factor and one to reckon with it would seem...

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    4. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by rco3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's not true. Ardour may not be DP4, but it certainly is acceptable for certain recording situations. Less-than-optimal, yes. Certainly. Less-than-user-friendly, yeah. Undoubtedly. And, as you said, it is showing a lot of promise. But utterly unacceptable? No. I've used it and a whole slew of LADSPA plugins to do some nice remixes of material I recorded for a personal album about 10 years ago. Sounds fine, works well enough. I gotta tell you, it's amazing how many tracks and plugins you can get operating on an Athlon 64 without even approaching cpu overload. And for me, in my situation, Ardour is much more useful than GarageBand, even if GarageBand is easier to use.

      I'm not disagreeing with your basic premise that Linux music production has a long way to go. I'm simply disagreeing with your statement that all Linux audio software is utterly unacceptable for any type of music recording, and I base that on my experience. YMMV.

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    5. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by Quino · · Score: 2, Interesting

      check out

      http://www.dynebolic.org/

      it's a linux live cd that comes with audacity and other tools for multimedia editing/broadcasting etc.

      Unless your hardware is exotic, you should just be able to boot and use the software you're interested in.

      Be warned that it comes with a more lightweight desktop, but it's probably the easiest way to try out audacity yourself, IMHO.

    6. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by fohat · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the url! Another torrent for the que ;)

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    7. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by xsspd2004 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm a friggin' moron and I can install Linux, DRUNK! Try PC Linux OS 2k4 PR8.

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    8. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by fohat · · Score: 1

      Oh I can install it just fine. It's the whole compiling source code/lack of easy ways to install applications that I had a rough time with.

      Actually your suggestion did in fact boot on my Gateway x700 while knoppix 3.7 did not. I haven't burned the CeBit version yet as I'm still sharing ;)

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    9. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by SquadBoy · · Score: 1

      apt-get install foo, is too hard for you?

      Debian and enough HE can solve all of lifes problems.

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    10. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy crap! A reasoned response on the internet! on Slashdot no less! next come the locusts...

    11. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by rufus+t+firefly · · Score: 1
      The software that is available currently is utterly unacceptable for any type of music recording.
      Before the knee-jerk reaction, try looking around a little. Agnula has both Debian and Redhat based live CDs loaded with professional audio applications, which work out of the box.

      Also, the results you get using JACK + Ardour + Hydrogen + Jamin are comperable, if not superior, to available commercial solutions. (Well, assuming that you're using professional hardware ... )

      not having your entire plugin system crash on you is another.
      It sounds like you had a sour experience. I have never had a LADSPA plugin crash anything on my studio box.
      In a nutshell: The features are not there, the stability is not there, the usability is not there, and the overall effectiveness of the applications is just not there.
      Grab a copy of the DeMuDi Live CD and try saying any of those things.
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    12. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by m50d · · Score: 1

      There are many better live CDs than knoppix, seriously, it just gets the most attention. Try one of the ones dedicated to multimedia.

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    13. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by SammyTheSnake · · Score: 1

      To install software on Knoppix (or Ubuntu, or Gnoppix, or any other of the squillions of Debian based distributions, liveCD or otherwise) the procedure is something like the following:

      1. check the configuration of /etc/apt/sources.list - usually the default is perfectly sensible, but you may want to add things like the aGnula project for music software (see http://www.agnula.org)
      2. "apt-get update" to make sure your computer is up to date with the latest versions of everything - no need to do this every time, but you should be keeping up with the security patches and if you're tracking testing or unstable you should do it at least once every couple of days
      3. "apt-get install mygroovypackage" to install the package, you may be asked a variety of configuration questions depending on the package, many install without any interactive input.
      4. enjoy your groovynewsoftware

      If you don't know the name of the package you want to install (often they can be guessed, but not always) then consider using one of the many front-ends like dselect (hardcore, a little old fashioned) aptitude (prettier, but still text based), or whatever others here will suggest.

      HTH
      Cheers & God bless
      Sam "SammyTheSnake" Penny

    14. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, I've had Knoppix work everywhere and places it shouldn't. But I've almost always had to pass some boot parameters at start up. You did play around with the options like loading it to the hard drive yeah? For instance, did you load it onto a hard drive and run it from there like this

      knoppix tohd=/dev/hda1

      Also, try booting up and making a swap file and then rebooting. That's a good trick for DSL which doesn't offer to make swap for you. First use Knoppix to make the swap and then boot DSL. I've gotten DSL to boot on 32Megs of RAM that way.

      If you're just talking about sound card issues, well I'll grant you that has happened to me.But typically those were fixed by swapping in another ten dollar sound card where it was really important.
      But like someone else pointed out. Don't give up after just using the main Knoppix distro. Go with DSL, Morphix and Knoppix Gamer and a few others. They're not identical by any means. Localized language versions can be quite different as well. Movix is also an interesting one. I can play compressed Divx beautifully at full screen on a 400Mhz PC with 128megs of RAM with Mplayer in Movix that would be impossible to do with Xine in Knoppix or DSL and Movix will run sound cards that don't work in Knoppix. I have found that if you're willing to do with a few different LiveCD distros and play on the command line at the boot prompt you can make anything that isn't physically and a lot of stuff that is literally broken work.

    15. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by mz2 · · Score: 1

      For audio use I've found the easiest&overall best combination to be Ubuntu (Hoary) with some audio-related packages from Sid and some from DeMudi. For example Ardour beta releases for the last few months have normally been packaged into the Sid repository within days, sometimes hours, from the release.

      And this all is really easy and flashy to use and administer thanks to the brilliant Ubuntu :)

    16. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by rco3 · · Score: 1

      thanks.

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  16. beowulf by xmp_phrack · · Score: 1, Redundant

    what about a Beowulf cluster of these?

    1. Re:beowulf by vonsneerderhooten · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cluster Knoppix has been around for a while, i think i have some releases dating 2001-2002, and i noticed that the torrent tracker the poster linked to hosts the .torrent for the current release of Cnoppix. 12-04 IIRC.
      A side note: being that the poster was smart enough to link to a torrent tracker in the story, I'm interested to see just how big this torrent will get, as i speak, the tracker lists over 800 hosts, 200+ seeds and over 600 leechers. The largest torrent i've ever seen was on bt.etree.org with something like 400 seeds and 700 or so leechers. That was last year. Any other /.ers able to recall some larger torrents?

    2. Re:beowulf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anything on btefnet? :d

    3. Re:beowulf by chrislees · · Score: 1

      Largest torrent? When Doom 3 came out, the largest torrent had 12,000 peers and 1,000 seeds

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    4. Re:beowulf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When Doom 3 hit "the market". I think a torrent had 15,000 leechers and just under a thousand seeds at one point.

    5. Re:beowulf by chrislees · · Score: 1

      :p one minute behind my post.

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    6. Re:beowulf by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      Largest torrent? When Doom 3 came out,

      You're talking about the demo, right? Please be talking about the demo.

    7. Re:beowulf by taylortbb · · Score: 1

      Oceans 12 had ~600 seeders and ~4000 peers about 1 week ago. Other than that never seen anything above 60/400.

    8. Re:beowulf by ScytheBlade1 · · Score: 1

      Oh dear no. The retail version.

      iirc the seeds reached in excess of 1.5k, usually up until the morning when about 700 happy people hit the stop button and started playing.

      Note that it maintained this size for a good week, at least.

    9. Re:beowulf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, you can even run a whole cluster from just one windows PC by running multiple instances of Knoppix

    10. Re:beowulf by Dizzle · · Score: 1

      Torrents for the OC usually reach about 2000/4000. The big TV shows right now get huge stats like that. Desperate Housewives, Lost, heck, even the Daily Show all typically do 500/1300 or so.

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  17. AMD64 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very interesting... I hope in the future they'll be a 64 bit version....

  18. what about coLinux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the reports I've seen, qemu is VERY slow. Is there an advantage to qemu over coLinux? I've been using coLinux to give me Linux under Windows for about a year now, and there is a lot to be said for native execution speed. You also get networking, and recently easy access of the native Windows filesystems without employing samba-type file sharing.

    Of course, it's difficult to deny the power of running a gameboy emulator on a GBA emulator on a Linux emulator on a Windows emulator on your Mac...

    1. Re:what about coLinux? by cduffy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      From the reports I've seen, qemu is VERY slow. Is there an advantage to qemu over coLinux?

      Sure, even when you restrict it to the presently relevant set of cases (x86/Linux inside x86/Win32): coLinux has no (non-experimental) framebuffer support; the experimental version that does exist has its performance measured in seconds per frame. The only way to run X is by having an X server on your Windows box, and you can't run Qt/E or GtkFB or such at all. If you want to do embedded systems development, this can be a substantial issue.

      If you don't restrict yourself to that subset of cases, then QEMU wins on account of having support for far more than just a custom build of the Linux kernel. (Want to play with FreeDOS? Test your new build of of GRUB? Run through the SLES9 installer? The first two of these simply aren't possible in coLinux, and the 3rd one requires a lot of work to make it happen).

      Also, COFS is so experimental/unstable I'm not sure I'd claim it as a feature yet.

    2. Re:What about CoLinux? by isny · · Score: 1

      Man, I read that as topogigolinux. Come to think about it, that would be an awesome distribution name.

    3. Re:what about coLinux? by tchuladdiass · · Score: 1

      You can also do X via vnc with colinux. Actually, I was thinking of putting together a knoppix/colinux disk that uses modified cygwin/x and/or vnc (cygwin would need to be modified so that it doesn't need registry entries)

    4. Re:what about coLinux? by nxtw · · Score: 1
      You can also do X via vnc with colinux.

      That's hardly an improvment over running an X server on Windows; it's more of a disadvantage. VNC is relatively slow compared to other protocols (you can deny this all you want, but X itself or RDP tend to perform better than VNC).

      This does not resolve the parent post's complaint about the lack of a framebuffer. However, coLinux is perfectly usable for many people without a framebuffer. At any rate.. I bet coLinux would be faster than QEMU, even running over VNC. (Administrators membership would be required to install the coLinux driver and use some types of networking connections in either case.)

    5. Re:what about coLinux? by Cronopios · · Score: 1

      The only way to run X is by having an X server on your Windows box
      Not really. I tried VNC, and it works quite ok. Unfortunately I had some problems with accented characters (á, é and such).

      At the end, I installed FreeNX on my Debian image, and the free (as in beer) No Machine NX client on Windows. The performance is great, although I still have a couple of glitches with my keyboard.
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    6. Re:What about CoLinux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is that the one with the free mouse?

  19. Slashdot Effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *blinks, looks at watch*
    Wow, only about fifteen minutes to bring down a well known site. Someone should start keeping a log of how long it takes for the slashdot effect to do its job.

  20. Virtualization by chronicon · · Score: 1
    Because, virtulization is the wave and this is an easy first step for the home user (and others) to get a taste.

    Hence the hype surrounding Novell shipping Xen in the next version of SuSE...

  21. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    now you can crash Linux on Windows?

  22. OP has a torrent by grendel_x86 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Holy crap!!! the Poster actually linked a .torrent, maybe all the complaining actually got somewhere.

    Now only if others would follow.

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    1. Re:OP has a torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad its a link to a page listing torrents that is getting slashdotted lol

      Slooow.

    2. Re:OP has a torrent by xyphor · · Score: 1

      I got 10kbps down, peaked at 10 going out, then it died. I'm getting 0 down and 1 up. Slashdot Effect on a seed server?

    3. Re:OP has a torrent by Danathar · · Score: 1

      I'm uploading at over 1MB/s and only getting 100K/s downstream. Acording to the stats there are NO seeds but lots of peers. Usually that means that the entire torrent is being held up because at least one complete copy has not been downloaded.

      Once multiple seeds exist things will pick up consideribly.

    4. Re:OP has a torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      according to linuxtracker there are 61 complete 34 seeders and 1868 Leachers.

      So I guess it needs more seeders.

    5. Re:OP has a torrent by grendel_x86 · · Score: 1

      I usually share 5x what i take. But seeders can get /.ed. Remember there are a few thousand people trying to get some data from 10 people or so in the begining. The more seeders, the more it balances out.

      as of 10:30 CST, 34 seeders, 1898 peers. Im getting 51KB/s down, 19KB/s up.

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    6. Re:OP has a torrent by 1000StonedMonkeys · · Score: 1

      People like you are the reason why a lot of the rest of us are getting good speeds. Thanks.

    7. Re:OP has a torrent by Danathar · · Score: 1

      Thanks!

      The people who I work for have two load balanced T3's and an OC3 to Internet 2 (90Mb/s + 150 Mb/s) for about 200 people. They don't mind as long as it's nothing illegal (plus I want to keep my job!)

      It's sort of fun watching the torrent statistics.

    8. Re:OP has a torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I was downloading from work and I left it on over night..

      check these stats

      saving: KNOPPIX_V3.8-2005-02-28-CeBIT_Edition-qemu-0.6.1-2 .iso (699.1 MB)
      percent done: 100
      time left: Download Succeeded!
      download to: /home/gunit/bittorrent/KNOPPIX_V3.8-2005-02-28-CeB IT_Edition-qemu-0.6.1-2.iso
      upload rate: 1,138.85 kB/s
      download total: 699.0 MiB
      upload total: 36,001.3 MiB

      Yeah, thats right.. uploaded 36,000 MB in about 8 hours at 1MB/s.

  23. VMWare by F1_Fan · · Score: 4, Funny

    I like booting Knoppix in VMWare! Same concept.

    1. Re:VMWare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I like booting Knoppix in VMWare! Same concept.

      Except VMWare's not free... and it won't automagically autoboot under Windows.

      But yeah, except for that, it's the same idea.

    2. Re:VMWare by F1_Fan · · Score: 1

      True, it's not free but really how many people here pay for software ;) For the record my copy of VMWare is legal. Anyhoo, booting from the CD-ROM is doable. Hit the power button on any VMWare virtual machine (after making the virtual CD-ROM bootable in VMWare's BIOS) and it'll find the CD and start booting.

    3. Re:VMWare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      True, it's not free but really how many people here pay for software ;) For the record my copy of VMWare is legal.

      Not disagreeing with you that running Linux under VMWare is similar to QEMU+Knoppix; the point is that QEMU+Knoppix is free and legal.

      Anyhoo, booting from the CD-ROM is doable. Hit the power button on any VMWare virtual machine (after making the virtual CD-ROM bootable in VMWare's BIOS) and it'll find the CD and start booting.

      And the point here is that you have to install VMWare first. Whereas this CD automatically runs QEMU from the CD and then automatically boots Knoppix under QEMU.

      But yeah, except for that, it's the same idea.

    4. Re:VMWare by Oriumpor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Who's joking? I haven't seen a faster way to get a working test virtualization setup than mounting a Bootable OS ISO (eg: knoppix/slax).

    5. Re:VMWare by acro-god · · Score: 0

      yep. it's faster booting the knoppix ISO in vmware than it is running the knoppix CD from the CD-ROM.

  24. beowulf fristy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in korea only old soviets use frostige prostrdge

  25. fristol postulate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fristol postulate

  26. OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by grolschie · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Dude! Have you seen how your website renders in IE6? Looks soooo unbelievably bad. Text is massive and menu is at bottom of the page - gotta scroll down to see it. Looks ok in Firefox though.

  27. Mirrors by Shachaf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's the Coral Cache and the Mirrordot Mirror.

  28. Deutsch edition? by cvdwl · · Score: 1

    Anyone know if the torrent is the German version KNOPPIX? Been holding out on trying remastering and USB install until this came out, but my high-school german is fairly rusty.

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    1. Re:Deutsch edition? by quanticle · · Score: 1

      It says in the forum post that the windows version defaults to english.

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    2. Re:Deutsch edition? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      if i knew would i tell you ? :P

      it should set up to boot english automaticly if not use the cheatcode lang=us the = from shift 0

    3. Re:Deutsch edition? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dolts. "knoppix lang=us" boots fine, everytime.

    4. Re:Deutsch edition? by cvdwl · · Score: 1
      1) Why the heck would I want to boot Knoppix from Windows?

      2) It's german, and, as someone pointed out, the "=" is shift-0

      3) It doesn't support my laptop's trackpad.

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  29. news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    how is this news? some guy put in qemu to a distro and this makes it to slashdot?
    I got news damnsmall linux has been doing this for sometime now in an "embeded" download to test out the distribution in windows. Running linux inside of windows at 1/10 normal speed isn't gonna make people switch over to linux any faster....

    1. Re:news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you put QEMU and the .isos of your choice into a folder on the hard disk, the guest OSs run well.

  30. What about CoLinux? by ZehFernando · · Score: 5, Informative

    CoLinux is also a very handy package for running linux on windows. It installs linux on a single file on your HD, then runs linux on it, and you can access it throught VNC. So you can have windows and linux sharing the same machine and HD, running at the same time, on different windows. Pretty handy.

    http://www.colinux.org

    You can use it to run linux from some other partition too. It comes with a version of debian built it, but there are other packages for other distros.

    You can also try topologilinux.

    http://wwwtopologilinux.com

    It's a bundled installation of coLinux and slackware with all bells and whistles.

  31. Audio Linux ((Time to try Linux (again)) by chronicon · · Score: 2, Informative
    SuSE has a customized LiveCD based on 9.2 with audio as the focus. It worked well on all the boxen I have booted it. You can find it here or on one of the mirrors.

    I'm hoping they will release it as an installable distro at some point. The demo scripts worked great for patching different applications through jackd w/ ALSA. Very cool.

  32. Re:Time to try Linux (again) / Audio Solutions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    um, so audio...

    the aGNUla - DiMuDi project has a great install disk for audio recording freaks out there..

    http://www.agnula.org/download/demudi/

    If you want a live cd for audio stuff, try auppix as well:

    http://www.auppix.org/auppix_intro.html/

    I use them both regularly, and have yet to be disappointed :)

  33. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    Ummm.. it's standards complient XHTML and CSS 2, it should render ok if Firefox, Mozilla, Netscape, Opera, Konqueror, whatever ships with the mac.

    IE is probably picking the brail and screenreader or largefont CSS, which funnnly enough has large text, a small menu at the top and the main menu at the bottom.

    If there's a setting in IE that lets you select the style sheet to apply main.css

    Apart from that I may add IE7 to the site in an attempt to fix IE.

    Why are you using IE if you have firefox?

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  34. Don't like it? by neypo · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Don't use it.

    This CD wasen't setup just to see how many people he could piss off.

    This in my opinion will be great to friends who still are incapable of going to the BIOS and changing it to boot from the CD-ROM.

  35. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The reason is because it's XHTML, which IE doesn't recognize and therefore totally hoses the CSS. If you use a HTML4 DOCTYPE with IE, it uses something approximating real CSS.

    I suspect that Oliver would rather rather just bitch out IE than fix this problem, however.

  36. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by quanticle · · Score: 1

    Looks ok in Firefox though.


    That's all that matters then...

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  37. Re:They have something better: by oliverthered · · Score: 3, Funny

    'Seriously linux users, you're operating system wont make up for the fact that girls are repulsed by your bodies.'

    That's ok, I'm gay.

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  38. Torrent... by CODiNE · · Score: 1

    Currently 9 seeds and 542 peers, this is a good test of torrent scalability. Even if it takes a while to ramp up, this would kill just about any server on the net, kind of amazing how any of this works at all. :-)

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    1. Re:Torrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. Doom 3 had 40k peers and only a couple hundred seeds.

      Eventually it was all good :)

    2. Re:Torrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you haven't downloaded any warez...

    3. Re:Torrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or anime, check out any naruto torrent, you'll usually see at least 20k people dl'ing at any one time. Besides the server load isn't the much; it really just has to answer the scrapes.

    4. Re:Torrent... by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      You know, i have seen naruto torrents with 10000 seeds and 25000 peers and no problem.
      Just like with http, you need a strong enough server. If you have your tracker on a dsl line running on a via c3, not even bittorrent will be able to help you.

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  39. Drivers? by Volvogga · · Score: 0, Troll

    Can you patch the display drivers from windows through to knoppix so one doesn't have to screw with the poor Linux support and pain-in-the-ass installs?

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    1. Re:Drivers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod this troll down. The only thing Linux lacks, in terms of video driver support, is proper ATI drivers, and no offense, but it's your own dumbass fault if you bought ATI.

      Pain in the ass installs? Take a computer with SATA, DVD burner, etc) and install both Windows and Linux. I'm not saying Linux is easy to install, I'm just saying try installing Windows before you call it difficult.

      Unless you happen to know that a SATA drive isn't supported by Windows (without additional drivers) you're fucked. (Note that the installer only informs of needing RAID drivers). Linux handles SATA effortlessly out of the box.

      It also does other things effortlessly out of the box, like divx decoding, quicktime playing, etc. Every tried giving a divx movie to someone and watch them try to play it? Windows can't download a codec for it, but yet it plays the audio (usually). People go mad.

      They both have their ups and downs, but seriously, it has gotten to the point where both are pretty much an equal pain the ass to install.

      And let's be realistic, once you get a nice Linux set up going, it'll stay going indefinitely (until hardware failure). You're much better off working through any kinks that come up.

    2. Re:Drivers? by Volvogga · · Score: 1

      Ok, I return to defend my honor (what little there is). I was not attempting a troll here. I was just wondering if I could pop in the disk on my shitty win partition and get hardware accel. I have an Ati Rage Pro on a computer I got for free. Before anyone suggests buying a new card, I might as well just buy a new computer, and I don' have the cash right now. Going back to the hardware acceleration, I don't have the time to figure it out, and would like to try tux racer and a few of the others to see if its even worth the time to do the setup on FC3. Damn! And, lastly, I agree. Once Linux is setup, its stable as all hell. Done, out, quit your bitchn'.

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    3. Re:Drivers? by Luke-Jr · · Score: 1

      Mod *this* (semi-)troll down, too. ATi cards are the best supported for Linux in my experience. Their cards will work and solong as you have a 9200 or older, you can get 3D acceleration fine. Some newer cards even have experimental 3D accel support.

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    4. Re:Drivers? by Doctor+Crumb · · Score: 1

      Or you can use binary drivers from ATI and have actual hardware acceleration (I'm using a 9600SE).

    5. Re:Drivers? by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

      Well, in the case of this particular Knoppix CD you'll be out of luck. QEMU, which this CD uses to boot the CD under Windows, is a full-system emulator, which means it's not very fast (under Linux there's a closed-source plugin that makes QEMU virtualize the hardware instead, making it substantially faster according to people who know these things; I've never tried it myself, but it doesn't exist for Windows anyway).

      Anyway, a while ago I was playing with bochs and QEMU and I decided to try to boot Knoppix under them and it was annoyingly slow (think Windows on a crappy 486) just knockng around KDE on my three-year old Athlon 2100 box. Now that was an older version of Knoppix, but I don't think that QEMU's been updated since then. You certainly wouldn't be able to play tuxracer. I might be wrong about this, but I don't think Knoppix includes tuxracer (I don't know why tuxracer would be your test for whether Linux is worthy or not, but whatever). Or hardware rendering for that matter (at least on the version I have it doesn't seem to). But even if Knoppix includes hardware rendering you'd have to actually boot the disk instead of running it under QEMU to get anything resembling performance.

    6. Re:Drivers? by flithm · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? It's a well known fact that ATI drivers for Linux suck.

      nVidia is the only way to go.

    7. Re:Drivers? by Volvogga · · Score: 0

      In case you check this again, I would like to clarify that I do run linux on a quadboot system and am really quite pleased with it.I was just wondering about the hardware accel. Going through the work of installing the drivers for a few games that I may or may not care for seemed a little silly when there are other things to experiment with, thats all. Anyway thank you very much for the info.

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  40. This allows dual-use of both Windows and KNOPPIX by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    without the need to reboot. Run them side by side and compare the features.

    It is, after all, emulation, so don't expect to break speed records with it. Also that IP connection limitation in XP won't be broken by running KNOPPIX in an emulator.

    Now KNOPPIX can join the ranks of MacOS 8.1 (BasiliskII), AmigaOS 3.1 (Amiga Forever), as yet another OS emulated under Windows.

    The advantage I see for this is that web developers will finally be able to check how their web pages look under different browsers and operating systems without having to reboot Windows each time they want to look how it looks under Linux.

    The next step is to make KNOPPIX run AntiVirus, AntiSpyware, AntiAdware, and AntiTrojan removal programs and make any FAT32, FAT16, or NTFS partition as read/write so the Malware can be removed. Yet what is the point when you can run the KNOPPIX HD Install script and get rid of Windows and all of its flaws that allow Malware to be installed in the first place.

    P.S. I am moving to KANOTIX now, it seems to be a bit better than KNOPPIX.

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  41. Re:Time to try Linux (again) / Audio Solutions by fohat · · Score: 1

    I was not aware of auppix, thanks for the link!

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  42. Are they insane? by Guspaz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    QEMU is an EMULATOR. They want to demo linux to windows users running under a full blown emulator? I can see it now. "This lunix thing looks nice, but it's just so SLOW!".

    They're going to end up convincing dumb windows users that Linux is slow as hell!

    Before you say anything, keep in mind that they are running QEMU on windows, and the QEMU virtualizer is closed-source and linux only. So they can ONLY do full emulation.

    1. Re:Are they insane? by jhoger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      a) QEMU is all open source. A small part recently added is non-free but still open-source.
      b) QEMU is the fastest (99%) Free emulator, and QEMU is getting faster all the time. There is a strong emphasis on speed by Fabrice
      c) Yes Knoppix will run slower under emulation than natively, and Knoppix doesn't run as fast as a native Linux install. But there are obvious speedups laying around. This looks like a first cut by some developer.

      But I think there is one obvious case where this can be useful, in the particular situation where a machine is locked down so that you can't boot install CDs without a password, and the user does not have admin priveleges. Also, it may be useful for users who aren't willing to boot a Linux CD since they are afraid that it will wipe something out.

    2. Re:Are they insane? by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 2, Funny

      They're going to end up convincing dumb windows users that Linux is slow as hell!

      Of course, Knoppix already did this, because running and booting from a live cd is painfully slow anyhow. So now the slowness will double (unless it just cancels out, such as by the IO delays happening in parrellel with the CPU emulation lag, somehow)

    3. Re:Are they insane? by interiot · · Score: 1

      Z) Wait 6 months, shell out a bit of cash, and have a fully open-source virtualizer that runs significantly faster.

    4. Re:Are they insane? by jhoger · · Score: 2, Informative

      How about not waiting and getting to work on QEMU?

      QEMU has the right emphasis from the beginning. To make something that is fast and usable.

      And that's what it is, on several platforms. It's got the momentum, why divide up resources? QEMU will run on more platforms, and is getting the same virtualization goodies as Xen. The tiny virtualization kernel is open source but non-free till Fabrice can get some funding, but have some faith based on his entire body of Free software contributions that it will also become free.

      -- John.

    5. Re:Are they insane? by interiot · · Score: 1
      I don't know... As much as I like to root for the underdog, references like AMD, Intel, IBM, and "6 million dollars" make Xen seem pretty alluring to me.

      Also, from a technical perspective, aren't there concerns over how secure virtualized machines can be on 2004-era x86 machines?

      • "We conclude that current VMM products for the Intel architecture should not be used as a secure virtual machine monitor.
      • ... Slight modifications to the processor would significantly facilitate development of a highly secure Type I VMM."

      So, if you're on x86, you really want the upgraded hardware support anyway, to be able to be protected much more from webserver break-ins or just random untrusted software.
    6. Re:Are they insane? by jhoger · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oops... re-read the QEMU site, KQEMU is non-free and closed source. I took away something from KQEMU discussion that was incorrect.

      But the intent as stated by Fabrice is to get sponsorship so that eventually KQEMU can eventually be Free. So, essentially KQEMU module is a kind of ransomware.

      -- John.

    7. Re:Are they insane? by GoRK · · Score: 1

      Depending on how much cash you are actually willing to shell out, you could also fund QEMU and get the virtualization module open-sourced!

    8. Re:Are they insane? by stevey · · Score: 1

      But which requires the operating system to be modified to work upon it - meaning that you cannot install arbitary OSs, like you can with Qemu.

      I've installed Windows 2000 on a Qemu system before and found its speed acceptible - I can't do that with Xen...

    9. Re:Are they insane? by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Actually, the x86 should handle virtualization just fine, as long as the operating systems don't need to run in ring 0.

      The main problem with the x86 is that a process is either privileged or not - there is only really a two-level heirarchy.

      I guess the best system would be one with arbitrary levels of privs.

      You could just add one more level and that would make the VMMs secure. However, it would make the platform unsuitable for VMMMs by the same argument, and consequently we'll need a platform which is better still, just in case you want to run windows and linux under linux, and then run linux under that windows and windows under that linux. However, that still won't help if you want to run windows under linux under windows under linux... :)

    10. Re:Are they insane? by interiot · · Score: 1
      Ahh, I think you are correct, sir! Paravirtualization, where you recompile the guest OS, can, if you you make the guest OS happy to always run under ring 1, be secure, I think you're correct.

      The Usenix paper I quoted I guess only examines only the Binary Translation way of doing things, where the VMM has to share Ring0 with the guest OS, but as you point out, that's not required with Paravirtualization.

      You don't need an arbitrary number of levels necessarily, unless end-user use-cases require it. Many processrs have securely supported VMM in hardware for a while, and have done it with more minimal changes. In particular, the new x86 changes from Intel and AMD seem fairly minimal. The Usenix paper goes through the details of which specific processer instructions have problems, and suggested fixes for each of them, so it gives a good perspective of this.

    11. Re:Are they insane? by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      Thats all nice, but i started booting on my xp2000 with 1gb ram 10 minutes ago and its still at the KDE splashscreen...
      In that form, its more like a anti-ad "dont use that slow crap" instead of a way to make linux more popular.

      Also, why a fullblown emulator? Windows is only on x86, so there should be ways around that...

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    12. Re:Are they insane? by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      QEMU might be the fastest emulator, but it's still a full-system emulator. According to the QEMU site, QEMU runs emulated systems at 5x to 10x slower than native (That's 10% to 20% of native speed). That's still extremely slow compared to a virtualized solutions.

      I quote a child post:

      "but i started booting on my xp2000 with 1gb ram 10 minutes ago and its still at the KDE splashscreen..."

      That kind of speed will certainly convince any Windows user that Linux is a horrible slow PoS. That's not the kind of publicity it needs.

      Surely there is some win32 opensource virtualization app out there that could be used instead?

    13. Re:Are they insane? by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Knoppix was slower than native, but it was nothing compared to the 10% to 20% of native speed that QEMU gives you. And of course throw the Knoppix slowdown on top of that...

    14. Re:Are they insane? by acro-god · · Score: 0

      Actually I've been doing this for a while, but in VM-Ware... and the best way to do it is to have VM-Ware boot from an ISO of the Knoppix CD... almost as fast a booting staright from the CD the normal way. since it's not using the CD-ROM anymore.

    15. Re:Are they insane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calling them dumb windows users is really going to make them want to jump ship to linux isn't it?

      Fuckwit.

    16. Re:Are they insane? by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      What else should I call them? Technologically challeneged? Ability impaired? How would you like me to describe what the rest of the world would call "dumb users"? Keep in mind I'm not referring to all Windows users, but the subset of them that are dumb. But I guess you didn't figure that out.

      Idiot.

  43. www.knoppix.net by deutschemonte · · Score: 2, Interesting

    knoppix.net is really slow and the forum is /.'ed, people must be storming that site with this news out.

    Is this this the first time a site has been /.'ed but not posted on slashdot? I mean, no direct link, everyone just goes there themselves.

    I christen it, the slashdot halo effect.

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    1. Re:www.knoppix.net by gtoomey · · Score: 2, Informative

      Mark the parent as moronic, not interesting. Knoppix.net is one of the links in the story.

  44. Knoppix on Windows by jhoger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Following the QEMU list, this was done some time back by a Japanese developer Kuniyasu Suzaki I believe.

    Discussions ensued about how to make it faster... some patches are available to directly mount the compressed Knoppix volume so that portion doesn't need to be emulated. Also, the SaveVM feature was improved, so rather than boot knoppix, just keep a compressed VM ram image on the Knoppix CD. That makes it boot instantaneously.

    QEMU is the fastest thing going as far as Free emulators, given more improvements on the virtualization side, I think this will be *the* way to run Knoppix for Windows users that just want to try it out. The speed will come in time.

    Some of us pushed for features like User Mode Networking in QEMU just for this purpose. Windows users in larger corporations often do not have administrator level rights, so they can't install any special drivers. So Knoppix under QEMU can get right to the net on any Windows box that will run a .EXE from CD.

    -- John.

    1. Re:Knoppix on Windows by idlake · · Score: 1

      QEMU is the fastest thing going as far as Free emulators, given more improvements on the virtualization side, I think this will be *the* way to run Knoppix for Windows users that just want to try it out. The speed will come in time.

      No, I think the way will be CoLinux, which already runs a lot faster than QEMU, and which will (in upcoming releases) give far better integration with the host OS.

      QEMU is useful for lots of purposes, but for running Linux under Windows, coLinux is a better tool in my experience.

  45. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    I'll think about building the site in html just for those people still using IE6.

    If I had the source code to IE6 I would consider fixing the problem.

    IE accounts for 12.5% this of this months visitors
    1 28456 77.02% Mozilla/5.0
    2 4705 12.73% MSIE 6.0
    and less 9% for the month before
    1 42064 77.66% Mozilla/5.0
    2 4689 8.66% Konqueror/3.3
    3 4609 8.51% MSIE 6.0

    This assumes that all browsers are reporting the correct version.

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  46. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by grolschie · · Score: 1

    Why are you using IE if you have firefox?

    I can't live without ActiveX.... just kidding! hmm.... I'm kinda used to the IE interface - habit I guess. Been using it for years, since I never liked Netscape. Also, Firefox doesn't *seem* as snappy. On slower machines it takes ages to start up.

  47. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    there a preloader for firefox.

    and there are light weight versions of firefox about that can run on portable devices.

    There's also an IE themed firefox

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  48. Getting close... by smug_lisp_weenie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now all they need to do is add the following ability to make it perfect:

    1. Allow people to apt-get packages while the CD is running. Then...
    2. Import user files from Win into a Knoppix-side directory. Finally...
    3. (this is the important one) Press a button and presto! The system builds an ISO of original winknoppix+packages+userfiles that is a no-fuss super-customized knoppix CD!

    If they could make that... then a seamless transition to Linux goodness would finally be within reach for everyone!

    1. Re:Getting close... by Jaffa · · Score: 2
      My own Salvare is designed to fit into 34MB (the size of the credit-card sized CD-RWs I've got) - and is currently 20MB. The best feature, IMNSHO, is the ability to
      apt-get update && apt-get install foo
      from the running CD into tmpfs. Of course, you can also free the CD, rescue systems etc. etc.
    2. Re:Getting close... by gmatyola · · Score: 1


      You should check out the changelog and/or read up about the new UNIONfs.

  49. slowness /w BT ~= router lack of configuration by Phil+Urich · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's . . . very, very odd. I've often been able to max out my bandwidth with torrents (though not nowadays, considering that I'm at the university residence . . . faster even than my prior aDSL, true, but if I let it go, I'd break my weekly download/upload limits damn quickly!). There are many things that could be going wrong. One of the problems often encountered, which is the most likely cause since I've seen similar same symptoms on many a computer, is your router. Part of the reason I've never had to care is 'cause I've eskewed routers; I hate them, I reallly do. But if you're using one, and getting crappy speeds using BitTorrent, this may very well be it, so just read up on the solution here. Hope that works for ya.

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  50. How are the peripherals managed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My roommate screwed up his Windows configuration and can't get the wireless card to run on his laptop. I let him boot from a Knoppix CD to access the Internet. Would this WinKnoppix configure the wireless card properly, or does it require a correct wireless card configuration in Windows?

    1. Re:How are the peripherals managed? by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

      It would require a correct wireless card configuration in Windows. As it stands, QEMU emulates a network card and a network gateway...

      http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/qemu-doc.htm l# SEC19

  51. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  52. Re:This allows dual-use of both Windows and KNOPPI by RoTNCoRE · · Score: 1

    Amen. I work in the tech department of a big-box store, and spyware/virus removal is the majority of what I see. I use BartPE, but it feels like it's trying to be Knoppix. And it would be useful, because most people aren't willing/knowledgable enough to make the switch, because they don't want to lose support for their card games, and if something went wrong, finding someone who knew linux well enough to fix it would be tough.

  53. Very handy to have. by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have used DSL (Damn Small Linux) before and been able to use it on some users machine to log in to the server quickly with my SSH keys all setup on the key. When I am done, I kill it. I love this because I can use it on any machine I have and be able to test scripts and such on my machine without risking any of the stuff on the local machine. Will it run slow? Yeah, but if you have a ton of RAM and speedy processor(preferably 1 GHz or faster) it should run just fine.

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  54. KDE 3.4 is out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    88. It's not announced on the website yet but it's on some of the mirrors. 14.

  55. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like IE is losing on mine, too.

    1.Mozilla 17,829
    2.Netscape (compatible) 10,210
    3.MSIE 5,884

  56. Re:They have something better: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You seem upset about something. I thought being Microsoft's bitch made you completely happy?

  57. Naw... by SaDan · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just started a torrent, and I'm already over 12KB/s.

    Yes, I'm sharing too.. 16KB/s up is my limit for torrents (384K DSL uplink).

  58. sounds useful, actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    My college has no dedicated linux computers, but has spent an obscene amount of money on Dells with WinXP. This makes the linux class I'm in a little more annoying than it needs to be. The best part is that there's a problem with the Dell's bios, so that every version of linux I've tried on them runs at 640x480 (no amount of screwing with xf86 settings helped). With the Knoppix on Windows, there's a chance I'll be able to run linux there at a reasonable resolution.

    Also could useful if you need to access the internet in linux, but have a wireless or winmodem card not supported in linux. Or at least I hope that's the case.

    1. Re:sounds useful, actually by ABeowulfCluster · · Score: 1

      I assume you've tried running linux with some command parameters thrown at it. linux vga=1 you can google 'knoppix cheatcodes' or the vga codes.

    2. Re:sounds useful, actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get Windows QEMU from FreeOSZoo, then drop a SELECTION of live CD isos into a folder and try them out running from hard disk.
      Burn folder to DVD. Bring DVD to class if the machines there have DVD readers. Copy folder to hard disk of lab machine and enjoy QEMU goodness.
      Knoppix and variants do fine on Dells.

  59. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

    That's all that matters then...

    Especially given that his link title is only applicable to platforms with no native IE.

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  60. Oh Yeah... by mathmatt · · Score: 1

    Use Shareaza to handle your torrents:

    Currently: 30KB/s down, 6KB/s up

    1. Re:Oh Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm using Azureus and getting 304KB/s down and 16KB/s up on one torrent, 54KB/s down and 16KB/s up on another torrent, and seeding a third torrent at 6KB/s. Does that mean Azureus handles torrents better than Shareaza?

    2. Re:Oh Yeah... by TheKarateMaster · · Score: 1

      Uhh, no. That means you have a faster internet connection :)

      Actually, I'm not sure. My connection is certainly capable of at least 200, but I'm only getting 60-something with bittorrent 4.0. I guess it's *possible* that azureus is better, although I find this unlikely.

  61. non-torrent? by zardie · · Score: 1

    My workplace won't let me download torrents. We have an anal Network Access Control Policy that not only blocks the ports that bittorrent requires (on a globally routable subnet) but we have snort configured to detect any use of bittorrent. Peer-to-peer applications (all) are banned under our IT access policy and if it's detected, we get our network port disabled.

    Is there an FTP or non-P2P method of which I can grab this file?

    1. Re:non-torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Downloading a file without uploading it back is called leeching and is considered rude by today's standards. Bittorrent is the modern way to transfer files. Someday your admins will have no choice but to unblock the ports. In the meanwhile you can download it from home.

    2. Re:non-torrent? by logical1010 · · Score: 1

      Ah, just deliver an unmarked manila envelope with two 20 quid notes inside to your operations dept..

      And all will be forgiven.
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    3. Re:non-torrent? by pugdk · · Score: 1

      I concur, It would be noted in a second if I tried to download a torrent from work (where I am now). Trouble is there's no way to tell if I'm downloading legal or illegal stuff...

      Trust me, getting a call from the nazi-admins before lunch telling me my network access has been revoked pending piracy investigations are NOT the way I want to spend my day ;-)

      Someone put this on a ftp site or something? :-)

      -pug

    4. Re:non-torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, click the link in the article.

      Shortcut for the lazy: here

      Just grabbed the entire thing at about 280kb/s via http on our corp network.

    5. Re:non-torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah and downloading using n (where n->oo) sessions and uploading the comparable amount of them for shared networking connection is just
      nice o_O it's modern way to kill internet 1. btw. they could use layer7 filter on linux/cisco to block all such protos and sysadmin position would be a lot cheaper. or shape bt/mule to fixed bandwidth. tell admin this and every bit of your connections would be sniffed =]

    6. Re:non-torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have an anal Network Access Control Policy that not only blocks the ports that bittorrent requires (on a globally routable subnet) but we have snort configured to detect any use of bittorrent. Peer-to-peer applications (all) are banned under our IT access policy and if it's detected, we get our network port disabled.

      You have confused anal with sane.

    7. Re:non-torrent? by Andrewkov · · Score: 1

      I just ssh to my linux box at home and start the download .. By the time I'm home from work the download is complete! :-) Works great with "nohup wget&" too.

    8. Re:non-torrent? by sean1121 · · Score: 1

      You can grab it off my server here

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  62. mods on crack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this is in no way fucking insightful. anyone who thinks that 'login to access torrents' == 'illegal torrents' needs to be permanently banned from the internet.

  63. Does it work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just tested the disk on two different systems running a fully patched XP SP2, I get an error 3 lines in to the boot up sequence and it craps out.

    1. Re:Does it work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does if you mess about with stuff manually, but I haven't managed to make the automatic script work...

  64. Off topic, but VPC by krray · · Score: 1

    Off topic, but Virtual PC, back in the day when it was still a good Connectix type product ... Yes, I did have to try.

    Those programmers DO have a sense of humor after all!
    (I wanted to see OS X run Windows to run Linux :)

    1. Re:Off topic, but VPC by Pantheraleo2k3 · · Score: 1

      Silly amateur. Layer your VMs so they only see different ones, like this.

      Mac OS -> Virtual PC -> Windows ->VMware -> Linux -> PearPC -> Mac OS X (repeat ad infinitum)

    2. Re:Off topic, but VPC by blowdart · · Score: 1
      After the rebranding the sense of humour appears to have vanished.

      (I did that especially for you)

    3. Re:Off topic, but VPC by fishbot · · Score: 1

      However, VMware (at least, VMware 2 which was the last version I ran) would not only run within itself, it would also allow you to boot the drive containing the host operating system on the virtual machine, thus providing true recursion.

      Of course, it never got as far as the desktop because the swap got all corrupt and the whole thing went to hell (both host and client) and brought the machine down before it finished booting.

  65. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    Well now that they've released this new fangled Knopix windows hybred all OS's can support native IE.

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  66. Metaphor by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    for America, right there...

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  67. Somebody please explain... by Begemot · · Score: 1

    While my QA dept. would be happy to have Linux off hand w/o ghosting, I still don't get the reason for doing it.

    1. Resources: I gain nothing from running two rather heavy op. systems simultaneously.
    2. Licensing: I still need a license for Windows.
    3. Reliability: When something fails where should I seek for the reason: My software, Windows, Linux, Emulator or just the exclusive combination of all above?

    What the hell is it good for?

    1. Re:Somebody please explain... by Squarewav · · Score: 1

      It wasn't meant to be run as a full time OS that would be silly. Its more of a "because we can" type thing.

      Its not completely useless it would be good for testing cross-platform apps or web pages.

    2. Re:Somebody please explain... by m50d · · Score: 1

      Seeing the pretty KDE. Pretty pretty!

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  68. Linux qemu fast live cd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any livecds support booting with qemu-fast under linux? and if so how can some give me a booting example... Sorry for being a bit off topic

  69. don't run it from cd by quixos · · Score: 1

    mounting it with daemon tools or something should speed it up a bit. that's my plan.

  70. So does this mean... by Matilda+the+Hun · · Score: 1

    ...that Cygwin's got a replacement? One that's an actual distribution of Linux?

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  71. From the QEMU FAQ by subStance · · Score: 1

    Is QEMU ported to Mach OS X ?

    Hmmm ... are they making a subtle point here about the Darwin kernel's origin ?

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  72. Troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in the parent, right there...

  73. Yes, but.... by inject_hotmail.com · · Score: 0

    can it run Lin....er...Duke Nu...ummm...Qua...on my DVD player?

    Wait a second, I'm confused. Can someone help me with this one?

    Inject.

  74. Interesting. by Kause · · Score: 0

    This may just convince me to stray from Windows and try out Linux (I've been wanting to for a while, but every time I try to set up dual-booting, it just doesn't work -- even with my Linux expert roommate alongside me giving me pointers. I swear I'm cursed). The only reason I don't have a Linux-proprietary machine is because of the Windows-only software I run that I just can't do without. Linux on a CD running under Windows will definitely help me learn Linux a lot quicker.

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  75. Re:kanotix is great :) by pureone · · Score: 1

    im using it now great hd install takes 20 minutes and is just as good as debian sid if not better http://kanotix.com/

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  76. To get yourself fucking laid!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the whole point of everything.

  77. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm suprised you even get that many. Wine users? Anyway, if you're using PHP or something, it's not hard to just swap the doctypes -- IE will grok XHTML syntax.

  78. Fine Example by OneArmedMan · · Score: 1

    This is a fine example of the good uses for Bit Torrent and similar technology.

    As I am downloading this file i see the network speed at over 25Mbytes a second

  79. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by FyreFiend · · Score: 1

    >....whatever ships with the mac.... Safari, which is based on the same rendering engine as Konqueror. It renders your site fine, btw

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  80. We Are In This Together by f0rt0r · · Score: 1

    Knoppix to Windows - Now you can watch me up close, and see how stable I am. I can stay up and running for months.

    Windows to Knoppix: Um, I am carrying you now. I fall, you fall. And my uptime is approaching 24 hours...

    Knoppix( aside ) - And I wonder who thought this matchup was a good idea...

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    1. Re:We Are In This Together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      24 hours?! Damn, are you the Windows uptime champ or what?

  81. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    I'm running pure XML and XSL, but I can still tell apachie to lie to IE.

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  82. Pure Genius by iced_tea · · Score: 0

    Hoped and prayed that something like this would come along eventually. Thanks for posting a good story! I don't know anything about QEMU, does this have socket support? Is it treated as a virtual machine or are the programs executed in knoppix each a seperate process?

  83. My aunt and KNOPPIX by turgid · · Score: 1
    My aunt is doing a computing course at university. While she was at college, before uni, she'd never seen Linux, so I sent her a KNOPPIX CD.

    She refused to run it. She thouth "KNOPPIX" meant "no pics" as in "no graphics."

    I explained what it was but she still refused to try it, because all the r4d d00dz on her course told her that Linux was an abomination, unclean, and not to be let near a Windows PC. Windows was the best OS in the world, and that dodgy Linux thing might mess up your PC.

    Other attempts at Linux advocacy have also failed. I don't bother now.

    1. Re:My aunt and KNOPPIX by Johnny+Mercer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If your aunt is that stupid, the only way she'd be at university would be in a jar of formaldehyde.

    2. Re:My aunt and KNOPPIX by fd0man · · Score: 1

      That's not exactly true. Think about the people that run Corporate America. They all have gone through college and yet you don't see people being smart and implementing Linux to replace Windows. I find it kinda funny since in a few environments I have been in, in the past, have required me to have a copy of X.org or XFree86 running on Windows to run the Unix apps that I need to run... *shakes head*. If Unix is the back and and works to present the front end through a thin client, why are the workstations running Windows?! *sigh* Of course, IAOAP. :-P

    3. Re:My aunt and KNOPPIX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmmm, I think by "that stupid" he meant thinking Knoppix = no pics = text mode only. Which I agree is pretty fucking stupid.

    4. Re:My aunt and KNOPPIX by turgid · · Score: 1
      If your aunt is that stupid, the only way she'd be at university would be in a jar of formaldehyde.

      She's from a generation where women weren't expected to think for themselves.

      Last decade, politicians made it very easy for almost everyone to go to university. They turned all the old colleges into universities and now you don't even have to pass any exams to get in. It used to be you needed 'A's and 'B's (my day) but now people with 'D's and 'E's are getting in. The idea was to keep as many people as possible out of the Unemployment statistics and to give degree status to people studying Leisure and Tourism and Hotel Catering.

      My wife teaches English, and the knock-on effect on the school pupils has been dreadful. None of them have any ambition at all to do well, because they know they can continue their studies with E grades.

    5. Re:My aunt and KNOPPIX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If your aunt is that stupid, the only way she'd be at university would be in a jar of formaldehyde.

      She's from a generation where women weren't expected to think for themselves.

      So she's 150 years old? Better hope she is in a jar of formaldehyde, or she'll whiff a bit by now.
    6. Re:My aunt and KNOPPIX by turgid · · Score: 1
      So she's 150 years old? Better hope she is in a jar of formaldehyde, or she'll whiff a bit by now.

      No, the 1960s weren't that long ago, and we are talking about puritanical right-wing Scotland here.

  84. bugs.... by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 1

    Do they have a Bugzilla for this? I was trying to get this going under Windowsand was unable to. I alsonoticed the batch file that comes with this tries to start this with 1 GB of ram. If my machine has 1 GB of ram and I boot Windows and try to get this to run and it asks for 1 GB, I am going to have...issues. :D I have tried 2 separate machines and was unsuccessful to get this to boot in QEMU on windows. DSL works fine. Better then fine. It's worked on almost every PC I tried it on including the same laptop. I would love to give this a try but damned if I can figure out what I need to do to get it running. I'll stick to a modified DSL for my booting Linux in Windows deal. Oh....booting off of the CD did work fine.

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    1. Re:bugs.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tried to run it on xp, xp home and win2k with a 1 ghz PIII, 512mb......no go. pretty narrow audience of folks who will use this. nice bittorrent test though

  85. everyone overestimate average windows users by Bitter+and+Cynical · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe I just know a lot of stupid people but if you run linux under windows, your average user won't understand that linux actually replaces windows. A lot of people just assume to see the little magic start button when they power up. Booting directly into linux helps simple folk (in regards to their technological prowess) realize that windows isn't magically built into the hardware and doesn't need to boot for the computer to run.

  86. A quicker way to run QEMU+and your iso on Win by marko123 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I did this on XP:
    Downloaded and ran win version of qemu
    Create an image file bigger than your iso using qemu
    Point to your ISO
    Run! (Knoppix took about 8 mins on old PIII laptop)

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    1. Re:A quicker way to run QEMU+and your iso on Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can also copy the files from the CD to a directory, and type 'subst f: directory_name'.

      Windows thinks a new 'disk' has appeared and autoruns it; with the most surprising effect.

  87. Portable Virtual Privacy Machine by millette · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's another option, designed for a USB key. It runs Firefox, Thunderbird, etc. all in a virtual linux machine. The release is planned to work on GNU/Linux, ms windows and mac os x, although the current release candidate doesn't work on the mac. It also uses qemu, of course. More info: Portable Virtual Privacy Machine.

    1. Re:Portable Virtual Privacy Machine by shaen · · Score: 1

      I didn't see it mentioned anywhere on the site that this is really just a (very) slightly modified version of Damn Small Linux.

  88. use coLinux+VNC by idlake · · Score: 1

    The only way to run X is by having an X server on your Windows box,

    CoLinux works like a charm using VNC: you run a VNC server on the Linux side and a VNC client on the Windows side. A side-benefit is that you can actually disconnect from the coLinux process and reconnect later.

    As far as I'm concerned, coLinux is the only way to go for running Linux under Windows these days; it is superior in just about every way to any of the commercial or free solutions.

    If you don't restrict yourself to that subset of cases, then QEMU wins on account of having support for far more than just a custom build of the Linux kernel.

    That's irrelevant for Knoppix. Furthermore, no, I have not wanted to run Freedos or the SLES9 installer. QEMU may be useful for someone for those cases, but that doesn't make it a good choice for Knoppix.

    Besides, rather than spending a lot of time now trying to get QEMU integrated with Knoppix (and giving the user the false impression that Linux is slow), it would be better if all that effort were spent on actually making coLinux better. CoLinux is pretty much ready for prime-time; all the additions now (COFS, framebuffer) are just gravy.

    1. Re:use coLinux+VNC by cduffy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      CoLinux works like a charm using VNC: you run a VNC server on the Linux side and a VNC client on the Windows side.
      VNC is not exactly fast or efficient -- being a local display mechanism isn't what it's designed for, and it shows.
      That's irrelevant for Knoppix. Furthermore, no, I have not wanted to run Freedos or the SLES9 installer.
      I know that. That's why I addressed "the presently relevant set of cases" and a more general situation independantly.

      Every post in this thread I've written from Firefox running in a coLinux instance displaying via the Cygwin X server. I use coLinux, I like coLinux, but that's not to say that other solutions like QEMU have no place. The parent asked if there existed any advantage of QEMU over coLinux -- not specific to Knoppix but in general. I answered that question.

    2. Re:use coLinux+VNC by idlake · · Score: 1

      VNC is not exactly fast or efficient -- being a local display mechanism isn't what it's designed for, and it shows.

      The VNC server is an optimized software implementation of X11, the same implementation you run on a framebuffer device. It sends screen deltas through an efficient IPC mechanism to a client.

      You will have a hard time matching that with any kind of frame buffer emulation (as in QEMU or in future versions of coLinux). Think about it: if you run an X11 server on an emulated framebuffer, the framebuffer emulation gets no information about what parts of the frame buffer have been updated; it needs to figure all of that out and then reverse engineer graphics calls to the host window system. That's really hard. (There are a bunch of other implementation choices, but they are just as hard.)

      Furthermore, VNC has different protocols for different connections, including one optimized for local connections.

      Overall, VNC is probably the best choice for these kinds of applications even if you have a framebuffer emulation around. It might well be worth to think about not offering frame buffer emulation for coLinux at all. What would be useful for coLinux and QEMU would be access to the display hardware so that you can run something like X11 natively. But that's hard.

    3. Re:use coLinux+VNC by cduffy · · Score: 1

      The VNC server is an optimized software implementation of X11, the same implementation you run on a framebuffer device. It sends screen deltas through an efficient IPC mechanism to a client.

      Yup, but is the X11->VNC=>VNC viewer really going to be more efficient than X11=>X server? I'm a hard sell on that one.

      Think about it: if you run an X11 server on an emulated framebuffer, the framebuffer emulation gets no information about what parts of the frame buffer have been updated; it needs to figure all of that out and then reverse engineer graphics calls to the host window system.

      Sure. If you want performance, the existant approach (X server on the host) makes most sense -- more, I'd argue, than VNC on the host. The point of running a framebuffer is to support things like Qt/E or Gtk/FB or native framebuffer apps or so forth, not to replace {X,VNC} on the host.

      OTOH, having an area of memory that's a DirectX surface (mapped directly to video memory if possible) available to the coLinux instance as a framebuffer doesn't strike me as being all *that* hard (though I'm sure I'd understand what bits are tricky better if I tried to implement it), and that -would- be reasonably performant.

    4. Re:use coLinux+VNC by idlake · · Score: 1

      Yup, but is the X11->VNC=>VNC viewer really going to be more efficient than X11=>X server? I'm a hard sell on that one.

      Sometimes it is, sometimes it is not. In this case, there probably is no real practical difference. The reason to use VNC on the Windows side is that it's small and simple. A self-contained, efficient X11 server (XGL?) would, of course, be an alternative for running Knoppix+coLinux under Windows.

      But X11->VNC=>VNC is more efficient than X11->Simulated-Framebuffer=>MS-Windows, because the Simulated-Framebuffer=>MS-Windows part is inefficient.

      The point of running a framebuffer is to support things like Qt/E or Gtk/FB or native framebuffer apps or so forth, not to replace {X,VNC} on the host.

      Sure, and there are some special-purpose apps where that is useful. But we're talking about running Knoppix under Windows.

      OTOH, having an area of memory that's a DirectX surface (mapped directly to video memory if possible) available to the coLinux instance as a framebuffer doesn't strike me as being all *that* hard (though I'm sure I'd understand what bits are tricky better if I tried to implement it), and that -would- be reasonably performant.

      Yes, that would be. I think it would be great if someone did that.

      Today, however, I think coLinux+VNC would be a better solution than QEMU+Simulated-Framebuffer, which is what Knoppix seems to have chosen.

    5. Re:use coLinux+VNC by cduffy · · Score: 1

      But X11->VNC=>VNC is more efficient than X11->Simulated-Framebuffer=>MS-Windows, because the Simulated-Framebuffer=>MS-Windows part is inefficient.

      I concede that point. I've always conceded that point. It's the special-purpose apps that having a framebuffer is useful for, granted -- but in a previous life, I had to do a lot of stuff with such special-purpose apps.

      Sure, and there are some special-purpose apps where that is useful. But we're talking about running Knoppix under Windows.

      Nuh-uh. The head of this thread asked, in effect, "is there anything QEMU is better than coLinux for?", rather than "is there any good reason Knoppix should use QEMU rather than coLinux?". Those are two very, very different questions, and the first one is the one I've been trying to answer.

    6. Re:use coLinux+VNC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nuh-uh. The head of this thread asked, in effect, "is there anything QEMU is better than coLinux for?", rather than "is there any good reason Knoppix should use QEMU rather than coLinux?". Those are two very, very different questions, and the first one is the one I've been trying to answer.

      No, the head of the thread asked the question "what about coLinux". Then, you made some comment about when you need a framebuffer, that didn't fit in with the rest of the story. Unfortunately, that still sounded like you were arguing that VNC was not good for the Knoppix application, and I tried to clarify.

      I'm glad that we seem to agree that coLinux+VNC is an efficient choice for Knoppix, and that it may well remain the superior choice even once there is framebuffer support.

  89. My Review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    On a p4 system with a gig of ram, the performance is pretty lacking. It might be a better idea to use one of those drive image programs rather then the actual cd. Anyway, my thanks for those souls seeding their hearts out on that torrent.

  90. Easy to avoid by sulli · · Score: 0

    Just hold down the Shift key when inserting the CD.

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  91. URL for "QEMU and coLinux with KNOPPIX" at AIST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
  92. my granny.. by govt-serpent · · Score: 3, Funny

    My granny was Admiral Grace Hopper, you insensitive clod!

    1. Re:my granny.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      very admirable she was too.

  93. sig by sum.zero · · Score: 1

    "Stupidity is ALWAYS terminal."

    so is intelligence.

    sum.zero

  94. Here is coLinux+KNOPPIX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
  95. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ummm.. it's standards complient XHTML and CSS 2

    Well, I just clicked the validate buttons at the bottom of your page and they both fail with errors!

  96. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    hmm.. I'll have to update the build scripts,they should be running CSS and XHTML checks.

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  97. Change Notes? by DarkZero · · Score: 1

    Knoppix 3.7 couldn't detect my computer's onboard sound, so I couldn't really play around with it for most of the things that I usually do with my PC. Are there any changes or anything that could make this worth downloading and installing, either in Knoppix or in Linux (I believe 3.8 has a newer kernel than 3.7?), or is there possibly anything more I could do with Knoppix 3.7 to get it to work? I tried configuring the sound drivers, but the automatic configuration failed every time and I wasn't willing to check each individual driver to see what might hit the spot.

  98. Folding@Home? by Chas · · Score: 1

    Ah. Now I see...

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  99. no thanks by raver31 · · Score: 1

    I will stick with Linux even if microsoft goes completely insane and releases the source code for windows under the gpl and someone releases a "FREE" version. I don't want it. I like my pc to RUN RUN RUN, none of that crashing/virus/spyware shit on my pc please, let me just get on with some work, oh and games ! thank you... mandrake fan

  100. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    Fixed that one
    , but now it looks like libxml (or xmlstarlet) has started playing by not closing the content-type meta tag

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  101. Re:DEATH to muslims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    suicide bombers, 9/11, international terrorism, slavery of women. lets face it dude there's a problem that needs sorting there. not that i agree with the 'death to' moron.

  102. Re:DEATH to muslims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Islam is all about non violence.
    In the marketing literature, but not in the product.
  103. Can it... by sp3tt · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Run Linux?

  104. coLinux needs admin rights by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    coLinux needs admin rights to use networking.

    So I could only use it on private / friends computers

  105. Competition by tepples · · Score: 1

    It's got the momentum, why divide up resources?

    GNOME vs. KDE, Linux vs. BSD, Mozilla vs. Konqueror. Among the benefits of competition is that it breeds lack of a monoculture. Would you rather have everybody use IE because you're not "dividing up resources" between Microsoft Corp. and Mozilla Foundation?

    1. Re:Competition by interiot · · Score: 1
      On the other hand, hardware monoculture is, in my humble opinion, currently beneficial. In hardware, as long as you have at least one competitor (AMD), economies of scale are the most significant way to reduce costs, since manufacturing costs are unavoidable in hardware.

      We haven't had any usable open-source binary-translation virtualizers yet. My guess is that it's because the binary-translation that vmWare does is very complicated. The hardware modifications that AMD and Intel are releasing should simplify this quite a bit, allowing many more OSS projects to be written that support binary-level virtualization.

      Eventually most people should have virtualization support in their hardware. And there will be many different OSS virtualizers. And at that point, it will be much easier for normal people to try linux, because Knoppix will support virtualization at that point, and run side-by-side with Windows.

      In the meantime, I don't see any point in supporting x86 virtualizers that plan on sticking with existing methods (either paravirtualization or binary translation ones).

  106. "I have dial-up, you insensitive clod!" by tepples · · Score: 1

    In the meanwhile you can download it from home.

    Setting up broadband would cost $480 for some customers, that is, $50/month for a minimum 12-month commitment minus $10/month that the customer is already paying for NetZero or Netscape dial-up Internet access.

  107. QEMU can run your host os as guest without crash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux running QEMU with itself as guest:
    qemu -snapshot -hda /dev/hda

    It works. You really want to use the -snapshot parameter as that'll keep it from writing directly to your hard disc. Also, never commit changes back to disc.

    I'm using a CVS copy of QEMU (got it 2005-03-12) and Debian testing.

  108. dl 130 - ul 20 by clsc · · Score: 1

    lotsa peers and seeds - no problems downloading the torrent here

  109. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by Taladar · · Score: 1

    I know what you mean about Firefox but why don't you try Opera?

  110. Use it with VMWare by gosand · · Score: 1

    What if I used VMware on Windows to boot up a virtual machine running Linux emulating Windows? Maybe I would finally have a secure Windows environment.

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    1. Re:Use it with VMWare by acro-god · · Score: 0

      yep. it works great with VM-Ware... especially booting just the ISO instead of the CD... it's faster than running the CD from the CD-ROM.

  111. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by plumby · · Score: 1
    Why are you using IE if you have firefox?

    I'm stuck with IE, because I installed (and then uninstalled) bluetooth drivers 2 weeks ago and FireFox no longer works (it starts, but there's no window visible).

  112. CoLinux, Cygwin/X, BB4Win! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I run CoLinux (with full-featured, official, Debian Unstable (sans kernel)), Cygwin/X, and BB4Win under Windows XP Professional. I run KDE apps with the QT Windows look & feel, and it's pretty indistinguishable from a native windows app. CoLinux and the Cygwin X server are started as Windows services, so they're typically both running before I log in. I like to run Apache and Kate & Konsole to do web development with python. With 2 gigs of ram, this setup is EXTREMELY usable. You can play Doom 3/HL2/etc without anything hitting swap. I'm hoping GCC 4.x and future revisions to CoLinux will decrease KDE app startup time, as it's the only real problem (and even so, only the first time you start an app). BB4Win provides a very lightweight alternative to the Explorer shell, and Unix users will undoubtedly prefer it to the flagrantly gay default WinXP theme. I also use ObjectDock to provide an OSX-like place to launch apps and spare me from having to navigate the Program Files tree. If you stay away from IE/Outlook/cheesy pr0n sites/P2P apps, spyware/adware shouldn't be a problem at all

  113. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't XHTML basically just HTML, but with gone for good {yeaaay!} and tags in all lowercase, which looks trendy but makes them much harder to spot in nano?

  114. Torrent slashdotted? by SenorMooCow · · Score: 1

    Is it just me or is the torrent file completely slashdotted? Both on the site from the article and on linuxtracker.org it just times out. Anybody have a mirror to the .torrent?

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  115. Bah humbug by akepa · · Score: 1

    It's intolerably slow running under Windows on my system (AMD 64 3000, 1GB RAM).

  116. Re:This allows dual-use of both Windows and KNOPPI by tahuti · · Score: 1

    Antivirus http://www.bitdefender.com/bd/site/mirrors.php

  117. Tested. by neypo · · Score: 0
    I tested it using these computer specs. Here are some screenshots...

    Bootup
    Another bootup
    Initializing
    Konsole
    Kstart Menu
    OpenOffice

    The idea is nice, but dear lord is it slow. It took 10 minutes to boot up, open office took 20 minutes to start, gaim took 10 minutes to start, there was no sound and the fonts were horrible (which I had to adjust) but I suppose you cant expect much from an OS running inside of QEMU... Its fairly nice for the extreme newbies coming into Linux but I could not see anyone using this for day to day tasks.

  118. After Downloading by iced_tea · · Score: 0

    I find it to be very slow. Also, can't touch the local volumes and no network support. Very cool concept, but still a long way to go.

  119. WindEmEnted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wind from windows
    em from QEMU
    demented
    Comic Book Guy: worst joke ever!

    No more "no pix" confusion. And a backhanded compliment to the guy that took the first step.

    YOU KNOW WHAT THIS GIVES ME?
    The ability to use "eject -t" from Linux. I don't think that in all the various iterations of Windows, they've never come up with an OPEN CD TRAY but there is always an EJECT when you right click on a CD drive icon. While the CD tray remains open, there is no opposite to send it back in from a menu. SOmebody please tell me I am wrong.

  120. What it is good for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I shall tell you what it is good for. It is good for running Linux on the machines at my high school, which all have passworded BIOSes. hehehe ;-P

  121. WinOS? by Caspian · · Score: 1

    What is this "WinOS" thing?

    Seriously, people. Stop making up names for things. Windows is called Windows, not "WinOS". Linux-based systems are Linux-based systems (or "Linux systems" if you must, or "GNU/Linux-based systems" to be more politically correct), but they are not "Linux OS". Apple's current operating system is "Mac OS X"; it is not "Apple Max OS", "MaxOS", "Max Unix OS" or "Macintosh OS".

    Nobody goes around referring to a Ford Explorer as the "Explore Ford" or the "Explorer Forder" or anything else like that. Why, then, do people (even geeks) consistently mess up the names of operating systems!?

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  122. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by grolschie · · Score: 1

    Ads. ;-)

  123. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by grolschie · · Score: 1

    LOL. Downloaded Opera just now, selected the graphical ads option, and blocked advertising.com in my router. Now it just shows "not found" where the ads usually appear - except for the "Buy Opera today" ad. :-)

  124. BartPE is the bomb by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    but a shame it won't run everything, or if it does, it requires some complex rigging of files and registry settings to make the programs run under BartPE. Even then there still is problems, like Malware removers removing the infected files, but not the registry keys that are changed by the malware.

    When someone's NTFS partiation got hosed, I used to have to bring a spare hard drive with me with XP on it to run Chkdsk to fix their hard drive after booting from the spare. Now I just boot a BartPE CD-ROM and run Chkdsk from that.

    NTFS is weird, got a hard drive error on the disk, and it won't let Windows load any further to run chkdsk to fix the problem. Instead it just complains that it cannot load some file or something. Boot off a floppy disk, and it cannot see the NTFS partition.

    BartPE can run Embedded Mozilla, TCP/IP networking, Nero, McAfee AntiVirus, Adaware, Ghost 8.0, and other useful utilities to work on hard drives that won't boot, or need malware removed and booting the OS won't allow it to remove Malware that has become part of the system or in use and cannot be removed.

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  125. Bit Defender by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    I tried to download it, but the Bit Torrent tracker is down.

    How can I update the virus signatures? Or do I have to download a new version with each virus database update?

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  126. Re:kanotix is great :) by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    I have KANOTIX, I run a web server using KNOPPIX, but when I get free time I might change it over to KANOTIX. It seems KANOTIX uses a web based install script that always makes sure you got the latest version. KANO apparently wrote the scripts for KNOPPIX.

    When I installed KNOPPIX to my hard drive, I used the Debian install method.

    Just one thing, those Novell programs like Red Carpet, refuse to run on KNOPPIX/KANOTIX because it does not see it as Debian. Therefore the whole Novell line of installable software I cannot install that is based on using Red Carpet. :(

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  127. KnoDoze by Parley · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't KnowDoze be a better name?

  128. Re:OT: www.oliverthered.f2s.com by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    attributes always have a value now.

    like checked="checked"
    instead of checked

    I would much rather see it as a bool instead, checked="1"

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