Given the importance of what he has accomplished in the world cluttered with unwanted marketing, his memory deserves something special.
I'm interested in your thoughts. What about a completely ad-free town? Is there a small town somewhere that is willing to go completely ad-free (maybe there already is one)?
Maybe ad-free stretched of road (with anonymous sponsors)!!
Perhaps a huge billboard that is perpetually kept empty (or has only news/info on it).
Let's do something really good to commemorate this guy's vision.
Multi-function machines. Hook 'em up to Linux and you may as well tie string to a USB plug for all it's worth.
DVD-RW - tons of issues here
Easy prototyping database front end (to replace MSACCESS) - OpenOffice's 'Base' is pathetic. I'd use ORACLE but for the price.
Easy office interconnectivity - eg. Email merge letters from a database. May seem simple, but the steps to make it happen are incredibly convoluted.
Samba - I love it, but it operates very inconsistently between distros (vis. KDE 4.x on SuSE 11.x) - connecting can be a MAJOR hassle.
Proprietary crap - Bought a Canon Video Camera. The chances of a) opening the files and b) manipulating them are zip.
Modems, laptops and PCMCIA cards are all a bit of a crap-shoot.
IM compatibility - pidgin works, but various features don't. Kopete works but it's not terribly stable.
All that said, I'm a HUGE Linux fan. Been a member of various LUGS for over a decade. Used everything from RedHat 4.x to Gentoo. I push Linux on people all the time and HATE seeing them get burned by M$ and Apple. The problem is that the hardware vendors are petrified of their competition getting ahold of their driver code. This part of the equation will never change and we have to resign ourself to the difficult interplay between proprietary code and open source code. This economy may make many people switch. With momentum comes choice. Choice is opportunity. Let's hope it knocks.
Texas lawmakers have been examined by scientists who, after much study (using scientific methodologies), conclude that intelligence in Texas is significantly reduced as a result of backward pedagogic materials. The effect on cogent thought is evidenced by recent decision-making processes.
Overall drops in intelligence seem to be part of an epidemic which continues to be spread by dogmatic religion. Not any one religion is spared. Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism all have dogmatic factions. It is these factions which are the sources of the epidemic attack on the world's intellect. The issue in Texas is that we now have clear, conclusive proof of the direct effects.
It's obvious that what Netflix is advertising something that they are being dishonest about. This is called false advertising.
A class-action law suit is in order. The key argument here is that they say: "Streamed instantly to your TV... etc."
Instant streaming implies that you are able to watch. This is NOT the case with throttling. The throttling is deliberate and prejudicial based on the unit used to connect to their service.
There is one standard interface that needs to be legislated above all others: automobile hands-free and voice-recognition standards.
Get in your car, drop your phone into a charging slot and it should integrate with your car's audio system. Yes, Mercedes (and others) already have this feature - but it's built in and with no interface/blue tooth standards.
Let's start lobbying and make this happen. It will save lives.
Having been there a number of times, I can vouch when I say that all the Cubans need now are electricity and computers...
On a side note, in my last trip there (fall 2007), I noticed a HUGE Chinese presence. There are Chinese flags flying at major infrastructure projects (power generation and oil refineries). As I was boarding my aircraft, a whole contingent of Chinese Military & Diplomatic personnel were disembarking from an Air Canada flight and were greeted by Cuban Military brass. The Chinese are heavily involved in a number of aspects of the regime. It's not a wonder that the Cuban have copied the Chinese approach to operating systems.
All this brain interface stuff is a dead end direction for amputees. Put the focus on stem cell limb regeneration. The US Army is behind it because it will be cheaper than wheelchairs and veteran's hospitals. http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=26506
Easter Island is a great (and simple) example of what happens when the population explodes past the point of the resources of the land. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpopulation
For the planet's sake, those of you of child-bearing age, please rush out NOW and get yourself and your loved ones a vasectomy or a tubal ligation. I know you will be fighting your sub-human urge to reproduce, but our doom is imminent if you don't.
Slashdot is about freedom of speech, alternate points of view and exchange of ideas. Well, this pin-head got my dander up. His perspective is so backward and cretinous that he does not deserve to be modded as a Troll. Rather that going on about it at length, may I propose that slanderous items of this nature should have a further, lower category: Dung. If a posting gets modded Dung, it should not appear on any basic search - unless a user specifically requests to look at the Dung Heap.
All this pie-in-the-sky digitization of household appliances is wonderful - until they break down.
The bottom line that any appliance tech will tell you is that:
a) Parts are impossible to get
b) It's less expensive to buy a new one than fix it.
c) The industry is so competitive that materials used are the cheapest available.
My thought is this: go ahead, add all the sexy bells, whistles and features that you want but, for God's sake, provide a Luddite default switch when all the high tech crap inevitably fails.
...the fucking thing should at least be supersonic. If his time is so valuable, then get him there faster. Also, less time in the air means less time in danger etc. and less cost of bloated staff because an SST would HAVE to be smaller and more stops could be fitted in to a typical itinerary.
As a donor and supporter, I have been reflecting on the issues relating to OLPC for some time. Here's my top ten list:
1. Form factor: Fabulous screen but the keyboard only allows those with small hands to use it. It loses value for high-school aged kids and needs to be 3cm wider.
2. The Windows direction is bullshit. We all know that Linux is not just the better choice, it's the one with momentum.
3. We also know that, when it comes to costs, what could be cheaper? Negroponte's Microsoft argument is spurious at best and a sellout at worst.
4. Each recipient country should have been directly involved in pre-loading their entire curriculum and pretty pictures of their current despotic leaders on every desktop of these little machines. This would have increased buy-in - big-time.
6. Negroponte's reluctance to mass market the device to the home-town crowd was foolhardy. At the onset of the program, the First World consumers had credit to burn to buy a funky 'toy' computer for their kids from, say, Amazon. Forget buy on get one. Just sell one to you and me and make a profit to support the organization. At the time of it's introduction, the eagerness to get one's hands on the device was very high - a huge opportunity lost. Furthermore, the program should have been rolled out to the victims of Katrina (for example). The optics would have been excellent.
7. Distribution - the biggest flaw and a huge fiasco. Local aid groups should have been tied into the program rather than sending ONE GUY to set up all the machines for Peru. Training and distribution could have been piggy-backed onto existing NGO infrastructures.
8. Sugar: This should have come as phase two of the project, not from the get-go. Though simple and intuitive, it was not mature enough for prime-time. Don't try to be Apple and make an iPhone without zillions of bucks behind you.
9. Play well with others - it's obvious from all the spin-offs and rifts that Negroponte lacks the ability to work well with others. Some major big-bucks philanthropist should step forward and take the reigns.
10. Get the thing into University labs. Create a feedback loop to improve the software and usability experience. Use the world's educational resources rather than locking it down to a select few.
All in all, I'm incredibly disheartened by the slow, agonizing winding down of this very creative concept. How long it will take to die is anybody's guess.
The open source model is broken. Government, Business, Universities & School Boards need to be contributing - big time. Government could contribute spec and standards. Business should be contributing code (on a pay-as-you-need-a-feature basis), Universities should be involving computer science students in code clean-up and creativity. School boards need to contribute too. Putting monies & usability studies toward the project. The benefits are immediate and, I think, could re-kindle this project.
I also believe is an elected board of contributors who would be entrusted with guidance of the project.
For my part, I'd like to ask you to join me in pledging to donate 24 hrs to the project in 2009. Is that asking too much?
Now for my personal wish: use postgresql (or mysql) as the back end database. MAJOR front end work (forms & reports) is needed on this aspect of Oo. This is the one area that is woefully behind the rest of the suite.
All in all, we have to give a lot of thanks for the amazing work that has gone into this project - all the many, many hours of work that we have to be thankful for. So, make a pledge to give 1/365th of your year to this valuable Microsoft beater. Let's no argue, let's work to improve it.
This is not meant to get into the Windows-Linux war.
Install Ubuntu, configure the network connection. Get a good laser printer and hook it up. Do the same with a large monitor. Set up the email etc. etc.
Set up an automatic backup procedure for the home directory.
Watch the person as they work on the machine. Let them tell you what fonts and screen sizes are best for them. Have them show you the major tasks that they do with it. Put all those major apps on the task bar. Add a shortcut to their files. Configure their default web page(s) to what they'd like. Taylor the computer to them and not the other way around. Make sure that all the equipment is reliable and that the configuration is stable.
I did this for a number of people including my father who used his computer for seven years without a crash or a virus. The key is that they feel that THEY are directing the configuration. Given them ownership of the process is the key.
Linux usability is moving forward at a prodigious rate. Windows is not developing at the same speed because of its flawed design legacy. When ANY Linux system sells to a consumer, that implies that the MARKET, not a geek, is deciding - and the market is doing so without the power of expensive MS or Apple advertising programs. The gist that the article misses is this fact: it's now a matter of when it happens, not whether it happens.
Mark Williams, District 5, President, Austin Independent School District.
Dear Mr. Williams:
As you may or may not be aware, it appears that a teacher in your district recently disciplined her student for demonstrating open source software to his/her classmates.
I can assure you that educators need to understand that Open Source Software is, by it's very nature, free. Free to use, free to distribute and free to copy. Further to that, Open Source Software can save your school board 10's of thousands of dollars in licencing and royalty fees. Replacing Windows and/or Microsoft Office is now easy. Furthermore, going forward, upgrades are free too.
More and more schools and school boards are adopting Linux and Open Office http://www.openoffice.org/. Open Office is a mature, fully-featured, standards compliant Open Source office suite which adheres to fully open document standards and can open and create virtually any MS Office document, spreadsheet or presentation. Linux is virtually virus-free, stable and secure. Special versions of it are designed for schools. Here's one: http://k12ltsp.org/
The most important thing about Open Source Software is that it helps to level the playing field. Less advantaged students can take home legal copies of software and use and install them legally at home.
All I would ask is this:
- Please educate your teaching staff about the advantages of Open Source Software.
- Please have your IT department review its costs and look at the savings to be had.
- Please do what you can to help give all kids the same opportunities.
Thank you in advance for your time in looking into this matter.
Move to Canada. Set up shop. Develop all you want. It's too cold for lawyers to come up here. We are all drunk and can't be bothered to sue. We have 'free' health care and you are only taxed until Mid-July to pay for the privilege. Once you get our women (or guys - if you're female) out of their parkas, they look pretty decent too. See you soon. Bring a shovel, mitts, mukluks, woollies, lots of socks, nose-warmer, ear-muffs, thermos and the aforementioned parka.
As a species, we are the first ones to examine the workings of and try to control our ecosystem. That, coupled with a rapacious appetite for procreation and you have a situation that could only be described as Darwinian (or Rapa Nuian). Put more and more rats in a given area with a limited allotment of resources and bad things will start to happen. Swirl in disease, greed, world-wide migration (airlines) coupled with comparatively low transportation costs not to mention war and terrorism and an already full boat (Earth) is starting to take on water at the gunwales.
For my part, I am thrilled. No one is pushing the message that we need to stop filling the world with babies. It goes against human nature, but it's going to have to be done if we want to continue to exist.
The big question is: will we evolve quickly enough to achieve this or will we rush over the precipice like lemmings holding our legions of babies as we crash to our inevitable doom?
Bottom line: Gents, go for the big 'V' and adopt. Ladies, have one and one only to satisfy your maternal cravings, then get a tubal ligation.
I bought into the dream last December. Sent in my money and got a unit in Jan/Feb (I forget). I played with the unit like crazy - learning all its idiosyncrasies. Then the whole OLPC program started to unravel. Key people dropped out. The O/S and Sugar had not evolved much as of June '08. OLPC sent ONE (1) person to Peru for a roll-out of thousands of machines - many of which had problems or needed upgrades. Intel got involved - and dropped out... and now Microsoft...
-I have managed to upgrade the software exactly twice - a complex, virtual dance of death if the upgrade doesn't take.
-The machine is DOG slow.
- The keyboard is useless for high school kids.
- There is not enough memory for much A/V.
- Connecting to WiFi is counter-intuitive if security is involved.
- There is no native printer support.
Quite frankly, I'm sceptical that this thing can fly long-term because other, full-fledged products are catching up (ASUS) to the OLPC price-point will fully loaded Linux on a better machine.
Now, the positives - battery life has been amazing. The screen is truly a wonder and great as a reader flipped over and turned sideways.
One issue troubles me: In this and other projects, no-one has solved the problem of supplying internet connectivity in remote areas. I know that Google is launching a constellation of Ka band satellites - but they will be commercial. One idea that I saw was to use a WiFi server on either buses or motorcycles. Local servers pump email etc. to the mobile servers which then dump the data when they get to a hot-spot - and visa-versa. Sort of a sneakernet for the back woods.
I'm concerned about the entire support infrastructure. Further to that, why don't these things come pre-loaded with regional Wikis and the full slate of curriculae as set out by the country involved?
I quickly scanned through all the replies and NOT ONE of you has said thank you to Codeweavers. Not one. These guys have shown some true honour and given up real potential revenue because they did what they said they would do.
Thank you Codeweavers. You deserve a huge round of applause.
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Is it time to adopt?
I'm interested in your thoughts. What about a completely ad-free town? Is there a small town somewhere that is willing to go completely ad-free (maybe there already is one)?
Maybe ad-free stretched of road (with anonymous sponsors)!!
Perhaps a huge billboard that is perpetually kept empty (or has only news/info on it).
Let's do something really good to commemorate this guy's vision.
DVD-RW - tons of issues here
Easy prototyping database front end (to replace MSACCESS) - OpenOffice's 'Base' is pathetic. I'd use ORACLE but for the price.
Easy office interconnectivity - eg. Email merge letters from a database. May seem simple, but the steps to make it happen are incredibly convoluted.
Samba - I love it, but it operates very inconsistently between distros (vis. KDE 4.x on SuSE 11.x) - connecting can be a MAJOR hassle.
Proprietary crap - Bought a Canon Video Camera. The chances of a) opening the files and b) manipulating them are zip.
Modems, laptops and PCMCIA cards are all a bit of a crap-shoot.
IM compatibility - pidgin works, but various features don't. Kopete works but it's not terribly stable.
All that said, I'm a HUGE Linux fan. Been a member of various LUGS for over a decade. Used everything from RedHat 4.x to Gentoo. I push Linux on people all the time and HATE seeing them get burned by M$ and Apple. The problem is that the hardware vendors are petrified of their competition getting ahold of their driver code. This part of the equation will never change and we have to resign ourself to the difficult interplay between proprietary code and open source code. This economy may make many people switch. With momentum comes choice. Choice is opportunity. Let's hope it knocks.
Overall drops in intelligence seem to be part of an epidemic which continues to be spread by dogmatic religion. Not any one religion is spared. Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism all have dogmatic factions. It is these factions which are the sources of the epidemic attack on the world's intellect. The issue in Texas is that we now have clear, conclusive proof of the direct effects.
A class-action law suit is in order. The key argument here is that they say: "Streamed instantly to your TV... etc."
Instant streaming implies that you are able to watch. This is NOT the case with throttling. The throttling is deliberate and prejudicial based on the unit used to connect to their service.
Clap on: Amazing device that is completely useless.
Clap off: Recession (and reality) checks in. End of extremely useless device.
Get in your car, drop your phone into a charging slot and it should integrate with your car's audio system. Yes, Mercedes (and others) already have this feature - but it's built in and with no interface/blue tooth standards.
Let's start lobbying and make this happen. It will save lives.
On a side note, in my last trip there (fall 2007), I noticed a HUGE Chinese presence. There are Chinese flags flying at major infrastructure projects (power generation and oil refineries). As I was boarding my aircraft, a whole contingent of Chinese Military & Diplomatic personnel were disembarking from an Air Canada flight and were greeted by Cuban Military brass. The Chinese are heavily involved in a number of aspects of the regime. It's not a wonder that the Cuban have copied the Chinese approach to operating systems.
All this brain interface stuff is a dead end direction for amputees. Put the focus on stem cell limb regeneration. The US Army is behind it because it will be cheaper than wheelchairs and veteran's hospitals. http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=26506
For the planet's sake, those of you of child-bearing age, please rush out NOW and get yourself and your loved ones a vasectomy or a tubal ligation. I know you will be fighting your sub-human urge to reproduce, but our doom is imminent if you don't.
Telling teachers that they know nothing about OSS/IT will accomplish nothing. They are teachers, not learners!
Don't push stuff at them, draw them in.
The appeal has to be to their politics (which are generally left-leaning):
- Get them involved by asking them how they could to help their disadvantaged students with computers.
- Ask them if they would like to assist in the fight against corporate monopolies.
- Explain the concept of world-wide co-operation - and how kids can learn from it - and benefit too.
- Let them know that it's both legal and OK to copy OSS.
- Explain that, rules-wise, it's completely OK (schools and school administrations are fraught with rules).
- Show them that virus-proof software is less work for them (teachers hate extra burdens of non-related work).
- Bring apples to your presentation!
Slashdot is about freedom of speech, alternate points of view and exchange of ideas. Well, this pin-head got my dander up. His perspective is so backward and cretinous that he does not deserve to be modded as a Troll. Rather that going on about it at length, may I propose that slanderous items of this nature should have a further, lower category: Dung. If a posting gets modded Dung, it should not appear on any basic search - unless a user specifically requests to look at the Dung Heap.
The bottom line that any appliance tech will tell you is that:
a) Parts are impossible to get
b) It's less expensive to buy a new one than fix it.
c) The industry is so competitive that materials used are the cheapest available.
My thought is this: go ahead, add all the sexy bells, whistles and features that you want but, for God's sake, provide a Luddite default switch when all the high tech crap inevitably fails.
...the fucking thing should at least be supersonic. If his time is so valuable, then get him there faster. Also, less time in the air means less time in danger etc. and less cost of bloated staff because an SST would HAVE to be smaller and more stops could be fitted in to a typical itinerary.
1. Form factor: Fabulous screen but the keyboard only allows those with small hands to use it. It loses value for high-school aged kids and needs to be 3cm wider.
2. The Windows direction is bullshit. We all know that Linux is not just the better choice, it's the one with momentum.
3. We also know that, when it comes to costs, what could be cheaper? Negroponte's Microsoft argument is spurious at best and a sellout at worst.
4. Each recipient country should have been directly involved in pre-loading their entire curriculum and pretty pictures of their current despotic leaders on every desktop of these little machines. This would have increased buy-in - big-time.
5. Swirl in a basic selection in the language of the region from http://gutenberg.org/ and http://www.wikipedia.org/ you have a decent pedagogic resource
6. Negroponte's reluctance to mass market the device to the home-town crowd was foolhardy. At the onset of the program, the First World consumers had credit to burn to buy a funky 'toy' computer for their kids from, say, Amazon. Forget buy on get one. Just sell one to you and me and make a profit to support the organization. At the time of it's introduction, the eagerness to get one's hands on the device was very high - a huge opportunity lost. Furthermore, the program should have been rolled out to the victims of Katrina (for example). The optics would have been excellent.
7. Distribution - the biggest flaw and a huge fiasco. Local aid groups should have been tied into the program rather than sending ONE GUY to set up all the machines for Peru. Training and distribution could have been piggy-backed onto existing NGO infrastructures.
8. Sugar: This should have come as phase two of the project, not from the get-go. Though simple and intuitive, it was not mature enough for prime-time. Don't try to be Apple and make an iPhone without zillions of bucks behind you.
9. Play well with others - it's obvious from all the spin-offs and rifts that Negroponte lacks the ability to work well with others. Some major big-bucks philanthropist should step forward and take the reigns.
10. Get the thing into University labs. Create a feedback loop to improve the software and usability experience. Use the world's educational resources rather than locking it down to a select few.
All in all, I'm incredibly disheartened by the slow, agonizing winding down of this very creative concept. How long it will take to die is anybody's guess.
I also believe is an elected board of contributors who would be entrusted with guidance of the project.
For my part, I'd like to ask you to join me in pledging to donate 24 hrs to the project in 2009. Is that asking too much?
Now for my personal wish: use postgresql (or mysql) as the back end database. MAJOR front end work (forms & reports) is needed on this aspect of Oo. This is the one area that is woefully behind the rest of the suite.
All in all, we have to give a lot of thanks for the amazing work that has gone into this project - all the many, many hours of work that we have to be thankful for. So, make a pledge to give 1/365th of your year to this valuable Microsoft beater. Let's no argue, let's work to improve it.
Install Ubuntu, configure the network connection. Get a good laser printer and hook it up. Do the same with a large monitor. Set up the email etc. etc.
Set up an automatic backup procedure for the home directory.
Watch the person as they work on the machine. Let them tell you what fonts and screen sizes are best for them. Have them show you the major tasks that they do with it. Put all those major apps on the task bar. Add a shortcut to their files. Configure their default web page(s) to what they'd like. Taylor the computer to them and not the other way around. Make sure that all the equipment is reliable and that the configuration is stable.
I did this for a number of people including my father who used his computer for seven years without a crash or a virus. The key is that they feel that THEY are directing the configuration. Given them ownership of the process is the key.
Linux usability is moving forward at a prodigious rate. Windows is not developing at the same speed because of its flawed design legacy. When ANY Linux system sells to a consumer, that implies that the MARKET, not a geek, is deciding - and the market is doing so without the power of expensive MS or Apple advertising programs. The gist that the article misses is this fact: it's now a matter of when it happens, not whether it happens.
Mark Williams, District 5, President, Austin Independent School District.
Dear Mr. Williams:
As you may or may not be aware, it appears that a teacher in your district recently disciplined her student for demonstrating open source software to his/her classmates.
IMPORTANT: The article http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/08/12/10/001236.shtml about this is going viral on the web.
I can assure you that educators need to understand that Open Source Software is, by it's very nature, free. Free to use, free to distribute and free to copy. Further to that, Open Source Software can save your school board 10's of thousands of dollars in licencing and royalty fees. Replacing Windows and/or Microsoft Office is now easy. Furthermore, going forward, upgrades are free too.
More and more schools and school boards are adopting Linux and Open Office http://www.openoffice.org/. Open Office is a mature, fully-featured, standards compliant Open Source office suite which adheres to fully open document standards and can open and create virtually any MS Office document, spreadsheet or presentation. Linux is virtually virus-free, stable and secure. Special versions of it are designed for schools. Here's one: http://k12ltsp.org/
The most important thing about Open Source Software is that it helps to level the playing field. Less advantaged students can take home legal copies of software and use and install them legally at home.
All I would ask is this:
- Please educate your teaching staff about the advantages of Open Source Software.
- Please have your IT department review its costs and look at the savings to be had.
- Please do what you can to help give all kids the same opportunities.
Thank you in advance for your time in looking into this matter.
Move to Canada. Set up shop. Develop all you want. It's too cold for lawyers to come up here. We are all drunk and can't be bothered to sue. We have 'free' health care and you are only taxed until Mid-July to pay for the privilege. Once you get our women (or guys - if you're female) out of their parkas, they look pretty decent too. See you soon. Bring a shovel, mitts, mukluks, woollies, lots of socks, nose-warmer, ear-muffs, thermos and the aforementioned parka.
For my part, I am thrilled. No one is pushing the message that we need to stop filling the world with babies. It goes against human nature, but it's going to have to be done if we want to continue to exist.
The big question is: will we evolve quickly enough to achieve this or will we rush over the precipice like lemmings holding our legions of babies as we crash to our inevitable doom?
Bottom line: Gents, go for the big 'V' and adopt. Ladies, have one and one only to satisfy your maternal cravings, then get a tubal ligation.
Iceland is bankrupt. They could pick it up for the cost of the debt. http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/economicsunbound/archives/2008/10/iceland_goes_ba.htmlIcelandGoesBankrupt
-I have managed to upgrade the software exactly twice - a complex, virtual dance of death if the upgrade doesn't take.
-The machine is DOG slow.
- The keyboard is useless for high school kids.
- There is not enough memory for much A/V.
- Connecting to WiFi is counter-intuitive if security is involved.
- There is no native printer support.
Quite frankly, I'm sceptical that this thing can fly long-term because other, full-fledged products are catching up (ASUS) to the OLPC price-point will fully loaded Linux on a better machine.
Now, the positives - battery life has been amazing. The screen is truly a wonder and great as a reader flipped over and turned sideways.
One issue troubles me: In this and other projects, no-one has solved the problem of supplying internet connectivity in remote areas. I know that Google is launching a constellation of Ka band satellites - but they will be commercial. One idea that I saw was to use a WiFi server on either buses or motorcycles. Local servers pump email etc. to the mobile servers which then dump the data when they get to a hot-spot - and visa-versa. Sort of a sneakernet for the back woods.
I'm concerned about the entire support infrastructure. Further to that, why don't these things come pre-loaded with regional Wikis and the full slate of curriculae as set out by the country involved?
Could you guys write a driver for my limo?
Thank you Codeweavers. You deserve a huge round of applause.