Yes, it's just an incredibly huge bonus for them if they can hire the person really cheap [vs hiring a non-import].
If indeed, Microsoft and Intel are following the rules, they must pay AT LEAST the average wage in the local area, so they're not going to save all that much. Abusers don't follow that rule, they "report" that they pay the average or more, but then don't pay that amount to their H-1B employee aka Slave labor. However, one could argue that the companies can get top rung foreigners for average US worker prices, thus are really underpaying the foreigners.
Not really - since the Prius DOES get the benefits that the Volt won't be.
So... yeah. It makes very, very little sense.
Yep, it makes "very, very little sense" because it's incorrect.
If you bought a Prius TODAY, it would not qualify for the HOV lane exemption because you couldn't get a new exemption sticker for it because they've all been allocated. Anyways, by 2011, no hybrids will be allowed in the HOV lane with just one person... how is this different for the Prius than for the Volt since both won't be able to qualify for the HOV lane exemption by the time the Volt is sold in CA? http://www.greencarreports.com/blog/1041787_hybrid-owners-howl-as-california-hov-lane-access-ends-in-december
Also, if you bothered to read the original article, the reason why the Volt doesn't qualify for any CA credits is because it didn't meet CA AT-PZEV requirements that the current Prius meets. Who's to fault when their vehicle doesn't meet a published standard? Blame GM, not CA.
Thank-you Mr. Jobs, now we won't just have to put up with people talking loudly into their cell phones, but we'll have to put up with iPhone users screaming into their speakerphones using "FaceTime" while mooching off a coffee shop's free wi-fi.
For a portable item, having two screens that can be folded during transportation is definitely an advantage.
Just look at the DS vs. the PSP... which one is more rugged?
I'd rather have two 7" screens that fold closed on top of each other rather than a single 9.5" screen with the same viewing area on a portable tablet/ebook like device.
Rumor has it that Microsoft has an exclusivity contract with netflix for streaming built into gaming consoles which expires sometime near the end of year.
The PS3 will go disc free later this year, but didn't supply details as to why. However, since the Wii has far less storage, this may or may not be possible on the Wii...
I'd rather live in a capsule than in a cardboard box in an alley somewhere. Safer, warmer, and more secure.
You neglect to factor in the $640 a month it costs more than a cardboard box. In Japan, living on the street would probably be no more secure or safe, the crime rate there is nowhere close to any North American city... you'd probably get picked up by the police pretty quickly if you were living on the street in Japan.
I'd also rather live in a 1000 room mansion than in my apartment... but unfortunately I cannot afford to.
Don't trust the article to provide correct information.
As others have posted, both the new US Mobile DTV standard and Qualcomm's Flo TV do not use the Cell network to broadcast its video/audio signals. Those are broadcast using a completely separate broadcast network similar to existing Terristrial Broadcast ATSC. No extra bandwidth is used on the cell network for audio/video data.
Unlike the previous gen of Carrier provided video like Vcast and SprintTV that actually sent/still send data individually to each handset through the cellular data connection, requiring scads of bandwidth that could be used for browsing the interwebs/calls/pron.
Some people will still say that they can do all their basic stuff on a netbook, but when you can fork out an extra $100 and get something like a Dell 11z or 13z (Core 2 Duo 1.3GHz, 9 hour battery life), I really don't see the point.
1. Dell doesn't make a 13z, it makes the 11z and 14z.
2. Only the 14z comes with a core 2 duo processor, the 11z only comes with single core processors
3. The 14z with dual core processor, 9 hour battery and crappy intel integrated graphics costs $789... Only $100 more than a normal netbook? In what dreamland?
The 11z costs around $414 with a celeron processor and 6 hour battery, which is $100 ish more than a 'normal' pine trail netbook but its specs aren't much better than a normal netbook other than the processor.
I'd think that the dudes claiming to "Mod for the purposes of freedom, not pirating" should be ecstatic... there will be a flood of cheap Xbox 360's for them to use for their non-illegal purposes.
I'd like it if the game would silently make things a little easier if I had died more than 6 times trying to get through some dexterity based feat. (Like how I never finished psychonauts because I could never throw the knives at the rotating wheel accurately and fast enough to beat the clock on the last level.) splosionman's "way of the coward" is just too wussy... I don't want to "skip" the feat, but just need a little help since I know *how* to solve the puzzle, but just don't have the razor sharp reaction times and coordination.
If I want to be humiliated I'd rather humans do it, rather than my computer... I'll join a multiplayer game if I want grief.;-)
Also Braid's rewind mode is really good as well, so one doesn't have to restart at some predetermined checkpoint and have to repeat several minutes of play that you already did each time you die. Add the toggleable behind the scenes "auto pity mode" and I'd be a happy puppy.
Sometimes I just need a helping hand to get past a "sticking point" and I'm good playing at the "hard" difficulty most of the time. Games are for "fun" for me. For the "elites" they can just turn pity mode off and the developers could reward them with a special "achievement" or "trophy" so they can show off their leetness.
Well, this FAQ entry at the CDC website: http://cdc.gov/h1n1flu/qa.htm fetched on 09/09/09 contradicts your statements:
How does 2009 H1N1 flu compare to seasonal flu in terms of its severity and infection rates?
With seasonal flu, we know that seasons vary in terms of timing, duration and severity. Seasonal influenza can cause mild to severe illness, and at times can lead to death. Each year, in the United States, on average 36,000 people die from flu-related complications and more than 200,000 people are hospitalized from flu-related causes. Of those hospitalized, 20,000 are children younger than 5 years old. Over 90% of deaths and about 60 percent of hospitalization occur in people older than 65.
When the 2009 H1N1 outbreak was first detected in mid-April 2009, CDC began working with states to collect, compile and analyze information regarding the 2009 H1N1 flu outbreak, including the numbers of confirmed and probable cases and the ages of these people. The information analyzed by CDC supports the conclusion that 2009 H1N1 flu has caused greater disease burden in people younger than 25 years of age than older people. At this time, there are few cases and few deaths reported in people older than 64 years old, which is unusual when compared with seasonal flu. However, pregnancy and other previously recognized high risk medical conditions from seasonal influenza appear to be associated with increased risk of complications from this 2009 H1N1. These underlying conditions include asthma, diabetes, suppressed immune systems, heart disease, kidney disease, neurocognitive and neuromuscular disorders and pregnancy.
Notice that "over 90%" of "normal" flu deaths are in the over 64 age group, but for swine flu according to the CDC there are "few cases and few deaths" in people over 64 and "greater disease burden" in under 25 year olds than older people.
The H1N1 2009 flu is far from normal. The mass media may be spreading FUD, but that doesn't give you free reign to spread misinformation to discredit the FUD. Two wrongs don't make a right. Please post your sources (and don't post links to the LA Times from April 2009... that information is no longer relevant since its from early in the outbreak.)
IMO Sony *never* supported the Open Source community with either the PS2 or PS3 to benefit the community... I would say that Sony was using the Open Source community to attempt to give themselves financial gain (50 million Euros to be exact).
Why sould I say such things? Well... up until late June 2006, Sony was fighting a legal battle with the EU to get a customs rebate (worth 50 million Euros) on its PS2's since Sony claimed that they were "computers" not "video game consoles" and I would suppose that the ability to install a third party OS was a major part of their argument. The distinction was important because up until 2004, the EU didn't have any import duties on computers, but did on game consoles... So I would surmise that if Sony did not include the same "computer" capability on their PS3 to install a third part OS, it would weaken their claim that the PS2 was a computer. Since the verdict was handed down so close to the PS3 release date, IMHO Sony probably decided to leave the third party OS support in anyways just in case they could appeal the decision.
Fast forward to 2009, when no appeals are possible in the PS2 customs case, Sony has no reason to keep the third party OS support in the PS3 and removes it when the next hardware major revision came out and a plausible "face saving" explanation for the removal is possible. (Sony still is a Japanese company, so a "face saving" explanation is important... if it were MSFT, they would have dropped the support the second that any chance of appeal was not possible.;-))
The average dog is about as bright linguistically as a human two-year-old," said Professor Stanley Coren, a leading expert on canine intelligence at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver who has carried out the work.
Direct quote from the telegraph.co.uk article.
If you're going to nit-pick a quote meant for public consumption, at least pick on the complete quote. Most people here are missing the "linguistically" part of it.
It's disappointing that one can't expect that the/. commenting crowd would actually *read the sourced article* rather than blathering on using the slashdot headline and other comments as their complete reference.
I know it would be way to much to expect them to just take the two year-old human comparison for what was supposed to be: a comparison that gives context to an average person as to the findings of the study.;)
Just because it's "cutting edge" doesn't mean it must fail the first time they try to run it for real....
having so many bad joints as part of the reason for failure is a sign of poor workmanship and quality control given the multi-billion dollar budget. It's not a bunch of mad scientists working in their garage on their own dime, it's a bunch of *highly paid* mad scientists using scads of public funds.
I'd give them the "cutting edge" argument if the physics didn't turn out as expected, but bad joints... give me a break.
On my Windows Mobile touchscreen phones/PDAs, the Transcriber handwriting recognizer works much better when I write in cursive than with printing... so Microsoft is also part of the cursive writing conspiracy.;-)
Also most people seem to ignore the fact that printing is supposed for everyday use, but cursive is/was the script to be used for formal on-paper correspondence. I guess since nobody sends snail mail letters to anybody anymore, cursive is used less and less.
Even if incompetent programmers aren't fired, they can be shuffled to do work that doesn't go into anything important... or have a competent programmer redo all his/her work. (Yeah, this really happens in real life.) You can't do that with an incompetent teacher... kids can't be retaught after a doofus screws up.
They are paying OEMs to put Windows XP home on netbooks. Savvy people are buying these, wiping the disk, and putting Ubuntu on them. A full, unconstrained version of Ubuntu. Exactly what Microsoft cannot compete with and doesn't even want to try.
No, only Linux zealots do this.
The really smart netbook user would buy the XP version, repartition the drive and install Ubuntu on it as well, therefore keeping the netbook compatible with any windoze-only programs he/she might want to run AND have the advantages/disadvantages of running Ubuntu on it as well.
Actually, most TV stations are still going to do the change on Feb 17th as planned.
I agree, that "early switch" option pretty much makes the bill useless. If the politicians *really* wanted to protect those that were not ready for the transition, there WOULD BE NO EARLY SWITCH OPTION. This legislation is just a waste of time and money.
There is a big flaw in your reasoning. H-1B workers are NOT "immigrants". They are "guest workers".
For somebody pointing out "flaws" in others logic you're quite ignorant about how the US employment sponsored Green Card (resident alien) process works.
Working in the US with a H-1B "guest worker" Visa is the first step in the process. It's strange that obtaining a "non-immigrant" Visa is the first step to getting "resident" status, but that's how the process set up by the US government works.
Once a worker has an H-1B, then a whole bunch of paper work and additional vetting needs to be done before he/she gets an Employment Authorization Card that replaces the H-1B work visa, then after another period and more vetting, he/she finally gets a Resident Alien Card (Green Card). After 5 years, that person can then apply for US Citizenship. (Note at any stage, the candidate can be rejected.)
Note that the path for residency through marriage is quite different and quite a bit easier and quicker.
It's quite obvious, and I'm not trying to a smart ass about it... the best way to lose weight is to EAT LESS. It's really that simple.
More exercise doesn't usually help people lose weight because people generally eat more when the exercise more. However aerobic exercise does make you healthier.
I think the major thing these guys didn't disclose is you have to subscribe to their icall service first and the call has to come through *their* icall assigned telephone number. (If you lookup their "incoming call number" shown on the video it's a number assigned to icall.) The software can't just switch a direct dialed-to-your-iphone-phone-number seamlessly. However if the outside phone call is dialed to an "icall" number that is then forwarded to your iphone phone number, then they can do the active switching... which is cool, but at the same time stupid, since their software should have routed the call through VOIP if you were in range of a WiFi hot spot to begin with, and saved you the initial call connection charge.
Cool, now Apple fanatics have officially reached the lows of Trekkies and Star Wars geeks.
All we need now is for Steve Jobs to walk out of the store and give them the "William Shatner/SNL GET-A-LIFE" speech and then the universe will implode.
Has Apple Chic now become Apple Geek?
You can get unlimited data and text and 500 minutes of voice for $30/month on Sprint if you get the plan that's been floating around a lot of Hot Deals forums across the net for the last year. You can get it, for instance, with the HTC Mogul, which acts as a wireless router (with modding) to allow however many laptops you have nearby to access the net. The SERO plan that you're referring to DOES NOT ALLOW TETHERING.
You may be happy with your "work around", but any business person foolish enough to do that is just asking for a meaty lawsuit that will cost his/her company lots more money and maybe a misdemeanor for theft.
I agree it's not fair that "tethering" costs unreasonably large amounts of money, while "unlimited" on-phone browsing is *much* less. But such is life and it's what the market will bear.
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Yes, it's just an incredibly huge bonus for them if they can hire the person really cheap [vs hiring a non-import].
If indeed, Microsoft and Intel are following the rules, they must pay AT LEAST the average wage in the local area, so they're not going to save all that much. Abusers don't follow that rule, they "report" that they pay the average or more, but then don't pay that amount to their H-1B employee aka Slave labor. However, one could argue that the companies can get top rung foreigners for average US worker prices, thus are really underpaying the foreigners.
Not really - since the Prius DOES get the benefits that the Volt won't be.
So... yeah. It makes very, very little sense.
Yep, it makes "very, very little sense" because it's incorrect.
If you bought a Prius TODAY, it would not qualify for the HOV lane exemption because you couldn't get a new exemption sticker for it because they've all been allocated. Anyways, by 2011, no hybrids will be allowed in the HOV lane with just one person... how is this different for the Prius than for the Volt since both won't be able to qualify for the HOV lane exemption by the time the Volt is sold in CA? http://www.greencarreports.com/blog/1041787_hybrid-owners-howl-as-california-hov-lane-access-ends-in-december
Also, if you bothered to read the original article, the reason why the Volt doesn't qualify for any CA credits is because it didn't meet CA AT-PZEV requirements that the current Prius meets. Who's to fault when their vehicle doesn't meet a published standard? Blame GM, not CA.
Thank-you Mr. Jobs, now we won't just have to put up with people talking loudly into their cell phones, but we'll have to put up with iPhone users screaming into their speakerphones using "FaceTime" while mooching off a coffee shop's free wi-fi.
For a portable item, having two screens that can be folded during transportation is definitely an advantage.
Just look at the DS vs. the PSP... which one is more rugged?
I'd rather have two 7" screens that fold closed on top of each other rather than a single 9.5" screen with the same viewing area on a portable tablet/ebook like device.
Rumor has it that Microsoft has an exclusivity contract with netflix for streaming built into gaming consoles which expires sometime near the end of year.
The PS3 will go disc free later this year, but didn't supply details as to why. However, since the Wii has far less storage, this may or may not be possible on the Wii...
http://kotaku.com/5391286/netflix-on-ps3-getting-embedded-solution-late-next-year
I'd rather live in a capsule than in a cardboard box in an alley somewhere. Safer, warmer, and more secure.
You neglect to factor in the $640 a month it costs more than a cardboard box. In Japan, living on the street would probably be no more secure or safe, the crime rate there is nowhere close to any North American city... you'd probably get picked up by the police pretty quickly if you were living on the street in Japan.
I'd also rather live in a 1000 room mansion than in my apartment... but unfortunately I cannot afford to.
Don't trust the article to provide correct information.
As others have posted, both the new US Mobile DTV standard and Qualcomm's Flo TV do not use the Cell network to broadcast its video/audio signals. Those are broadcast using a completely separate broadcast network similar to existing Terristrial Broadcast ATSC. No extra bandwidth is used on the cell network for audio/video data. Unlike the previous gen of Carrier provided video like Vcast and SprintTV that actually sent/still send data individually to each handset through the cellular data connection, requiring scads of bandwidth that could be used for browsing the interwebs/calls/pron.
Some people will still say that they can do all their basic stuff on a netbook, but when you can fork out an extra $100 and get something like a Dell 11z or 13z (Core 2 Duo 1.3GHz, 9 hour battery life), I really don't see the point.
1. Dell doesn't make a 13z, it makes the 11z and 14z. 2. Only the 14z comes with a core 2 duo processor, the 11z only comes with single core processors 3. The 14z with dual core processor, 9 hour battery and crappy intel integrated graphics costs $789... Only $100 more than a normal netbook? In what dreamland? The 11z costs around $414 with a celeron processor and 6 hour battery, which is $100 ish more than a 'normal' pine trail netbook but its specs aren't much better than a normal netbook other than the processor.
I'd think that the dudes claiming to "Mod for the purposes of freedom, not pirating" should be ecstatic... there will be a flood of cheap Xbox 360's for them to use for their non-illegal purposes.
I smell a bunch of lawsuits coming up... can you imagine 10 or more people all over the US trying to split the "reward" without issue?
I'd like it if the game would silently make things a little easier if I had died more than 6 times trying to get through some dexterity based feat. (Like how I never finished psychonauts because I could never throw the knives at the rotating wheel accurately and fast enough to beat the clock on the last level.) splosionman's "way of the coward" is just too wussy... I don't want to "skip" the feat, but just need a little help since I know *how* to solve the puzzle, but just don't have the razor sharp reaction times and coordination.
;-)
If I want to be humiliated I'd rather humans do it, rather than my computer... I'll join a multiplayer game if I want grief.
Also Braid's rewind mode is really good as well, so one doesn't have to restart at some predetermined checkpoint and have to repeat several minutes of play that you already did each time you die. Add the toggleable behind the scenes "auto pity mode" and I'd be a happy puppy.
Sometimes I just need a helping hand to get past a "sticking point" and I'm good playing at the "hard" difficulty most of the time. Games are for "fun" for me. For the "elites" they can just turn pity mode off and the developers could reward them with a special "achievement" or "trophy" so they can show off their leetness.
How does 2009 H1N1 flu compare to seasonal flu in terms of its severity and infection rates?
With seasonal flu, we know that seasons vary in terms of timing, duration and severity. Seasonal influenza can cause mild to severe illness, and at times can lead to death. Each year, in the United States, on average 36,000 people die from flu-related complications and more than 200,000 people are hospitalized from flu-related causes. Of those hospitalized, 20,000 are children younger than 5 years old. Over 90% of deaths and about 60 percent of hospitalization occur in people older than 65.
When the 2009 H1N1 outbreak was first detected in mid-April 2009, CDC began working with states to collect, compile and analyze information regarding the 2009 H1N1 flu outbreak, including the numbers of confirmed and probable cases and the ages of these people. The information analyzed by CDC supports the conclusion that 2009 H1N1 flu has caused greater disease burden in people younger than 25 years of age than older people. At this time, there are few cases and few deaths reported in people older than 64 years old, which is unusual when compared with seasonal flu. However, pregnancy and other previously recognized high risk medical conditions from seasonal influenza appear to be associated with increased risk of complications from this 2009 H1N1. These underlying conditions include asthma, diabetes, suppressed immune systems, heart disease, kidney disease, neurocognitive and neuromuscular disorders and pregnancy.
Notice that "over 90%" of "normal" flu deaths are in the over 64 age group, but for swine flu according to the CDC there are "few cases and few deaths" in people over 64 and "greater disease burden" in under 25 year olds than older people.
The H1N1 2009 flu is far from normal. The mass media may be spreading FUD, but that doesn't give you free reign to spread misinformation to discredit the FUD. Two wrongs don't make a right. Please post your sources (and don't post links to the LA Times from April 2009... that information is no longer relevant since its from early in the outbreak.)
IMO Sony *never* supported the Open Source community with either the PS2 or PS3 to benefit the community... I would say that Sony was using the Open Source community to attempt to give themselves financial gain (50 million Euros to be exact).
;-))
Why sould I say such things? Well... up until late June 2006, Sony was fighting a legal battle with the EU to get a customs rebate (worth 50 million Euros) on its PS2's since Sony claimed that they were "computers" not "video game consoles" and I would suppose that the ability to install a third party OS was a major part of their argument. The distinction was important because up until 2004, the EU didn't have any import duties on computers, but did on game consoles... So I would surmise that if Sony did not include the same "computer" capability on their PS3 to install a third part OS, it would weaken their claim that the PS2 was a computer. Since the verdict was handed down so close to the PS3 release date, IMHO Sony probably decided to leave the third party OS support in anyways just in case they could appeal the decision.
Fast forward to 2009, when no appeals are possible in the PS2 customs case, Sony has no reason to keep the third party OS support in the PS3 and removes it when the next hardware major revision came out and a plausible "face saving" explanation for the removal is possible. (Sony still is a Japanese company, so a "face saving" explanation is important... if it were MSFT, they would have dropped the support the second that any chance of appeal was not possible.
News Article About the PS2 Customs Decision: http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/features/uk-court-ps2-not-a-computer/69084/?biz=1
The average dog is about as bright linguistically as a human two-year-old," said Professor Stanley Coren, a leading expert on canine intelligence at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver who has carried out the work.
Direct quote from the telegraph.co.uk article.
/. commenting crowd would actually *read the sourced article* rather than blathering on using the slashdot headline and other comments as their complete reference.
;)
If you're going to nit-pick a quote meant for public consumption, at least pick on the complete quote. Most people here are missing the "linguistically" part of it.
It's disappointing that one can't expect that the
I know it would be way to much to expect them to just take the two year-old human comparison for what was supposed to be: a comparison that gives context to an average person as to the findings of the study.
Just because it's "cutting edge" doesn't mean it must fail the first time they try to run it for real.... having so many bad joints as part of the reason for failure is a sign of poor workmanship and quality control given the multi-billion dollar budget. It's not a bunch of mad scientists working in their garage on their own dime, it's a bunch of *highly paid* mad scientists using scads of public funds.
;-)
I'd give them the "cutting edge" argument if the physics didn't turn out as expected, but bad joints... give me a break.
So much for swiss workmanship.
On my Windows Mobile touchscreen phones/PDAs, the Transcriber handwriting recognizer works much better when I write in cursive than with printing... so Microsoft is also part of the cursive writing conspiracy. ;-)
Also most people seem to ignore the fact that printing is supposed for everyday use, but cursive is/was the script to be used for formal on-paper correspondence. I guess since nobody sends snail mail letters to anybody anymore, cursive is used less and less.
Even if incompetent programmers aren't fired, they can be shuffled to do work that doesn't go into anything important... or have a competent programmer redo all his/her work. (Yeah, this really happens in real life.) You can't do that with an incompetent teacher... kids can't be retaught after a doofus screws up.
No, only Linux zealots do this.
The really smart netbook user would buy the XP version, repartition the drive and install Ubuntu on it as well, therefore keeping the netbook compatible with any windoze-only programs he/she might want to run AND have the advantages/disadvantages of running Ubuntu on it as well.
Actually, most TV stations are still going to do the change on Feb 17th as planned.
I agree, that "early switch" option pretty much makes the bill useless. If the politicians *really* wanted to protect those that were not ready for the transition, there WOULD BE NO EARLY SWITCH OPTION. This legislation is just a waste of time and money.
There is a big flaw in your reasoning. H-1B workers are NOT "immigrants". They are "guest workers".
For somebody pointing out "flaws" in others logic you're quite ignorant about how the US employment sponsored Green Card (resident alien) process works.
Working in the US with a H-1B "guest worker" Visa is the first step in the process. It's strange that obtaining a "non-immigrant" Visa is the first step to getting "resident" status, but that's how the process set up by the US government works.
Once a worker has an H-1B, then a whole bunch of paper work and additional vetting needs to be done before he/she gets an Employment Authorization Card that replaces the H-1B work visa, then after another period and more vetting, he/she finally gets a Resident Alien Card (Green Card). After 5 years, that person can then apply for US Citizenship. (Note at any stage, the candidate can be rejected.)
Note that the path for residency through marriage is quite different and quite a bit easier and quicker.
Car Analogy : I got in my car and drove to work - which make of car was it : I don't know, and don't care, it got me here anyway....
That's got to be one of the worst analogies you could ever choose... the Auto Industry DEPENDS on style to sell cars.
That's why there are so many different car makers, models per car maker, colours per model, and the fact that the cars are tweaked every year.
It's quite obvious, and I'm not trying to a smart ass about it... the best way to lose weight is to EAT LESS. It's really that simple. More exercise doesn't usually help people lose weight because people generally eat more when the exercise more. However aerobic exercise does make you healthier.
I think the major thing these guys didn't disclose is you have to subscribe to their icall service first and the call has to come through *their* icall assigned telephone number. (If you lookup their "incoming call number" shown on the video it's a number assigned to icall.) The software can't just switch a direct dialed-to-your-iphone-phone-number seamlessly. However if the outside phone call is dialed to an "icall" number that is then forwarded to your iphone phone number, then they can do the active switching... which is cool, but at the same time stupid, since their software should have routed the call through VOIP if you were in range of a WiFi hot spot to begin with, and saved you the initial call connection charge.
Cool, now Apple fanatics have officially reached the lows of Trekkies and Star Wars geeks. All we need now is for Steve Jobs to walk out of the store and give them the "William Shatner/SNL GET-A-LIFE" speech and then the universe will implode. Has Apple Chic now become Apple Geek?