the microsoft way : buying patents & sueing people.
Please give on example of this. Microsoft has bought and submitted many patents, but mostly to prevent themselves for being sued. Maybe you are just assuming they have done this but I would love to see an example or preferably several.
Thats just like you dirty liberals, always trying to tell us which portable is better....obviously the PSP sucks...why would i buy one when I have old NES ROMS?
LOL, you must use a different bank then I do, Bank of America and Wachovia have both screwed me over royally using the same tactics PayPal uses. For one example:
BoA detects their ATM's cash total is short at the end of the day by a certain amount....using brilliant detective work they see i deposited roughly that amount that day, so they assume i didnt put a check in...they subtract the money from my account without notifying me, sending checks bouncing left and right, and then giving me a $30 fee for each bounced check. They also gave me a fine for not depositing the amount I said I did. I then have to prove to them i did indeed deposit the check, and someone at that branch stamped it and everything before they finally give me the money back, but refuse to compensate for other disasters that action caused. Same thing is what a lot of PayPal people bitch about. Banks and every other financial institution are evil with this kind of thing.
Well normally I would agree, but most articles about this have said that they believe Google is doing this to diversify their revenue a little more. Right now if the Internet ad demand collapses, so would Google...I think they are doing this because banking is a little safer, and helps them hedge their bets.
"Schmidt said Google does not intend to offer a 'person-to-person stored-value payments system' like PayPal's, in which money briefly resides in PayPal's control during the transaction, but he did not give details of how the Google system would differ."
I guess they could just facilitate payments directly from one persons bank/credit card to another, and take a cut of the transaction...act as a middle man without storing the money. OH and they'd totally use AJAX to do this.
Oh man you silly brits with your "Cost of Living" Minimum wage, and great welfare benefits. Take a lesson from America and screw over the unemployed and minimum wage earners. One of the largest employers in America (Walmart) pays its employees £2.80 an hour, with no medical or other benefits, and people are lining up for jobs with them.
I like how Government programs get cancelled due to initial lack of use....cancel the wifi, cancel the bus routes only a few people use....the government isn't a corporation, its there to help the people, not turn a profit. If only a few people were using a park would they pave it? If only a few people used the courts would they close them? Some things are just a public service, and WiFi is the public service of the 21st century.
Ok was this just a cheap Google plug? From my experience the rate of return on Google ads is usually much lower then the listing fee on ebay auctions...unless your selling some really big ticket items. But try selling one NES game or Beanie Baby by placing Google ads or a eBay listing...there is no way Google would win in that equation unless you got lucky.
PayPal is currently the easiest cheapest way to accept credit cards on your web site as far as I can tell...I used to use a well known credit card merchant and they really ate into my profits, paypal takes a much lower cut compared to most credit companies...but they do have some evil "merchant is always wrong policies", where someone makes a fraudulent charge, and not only do I have to give them the money back I have to pay PayPal a $10 fee as well for my trouble....Merchants should not have to suffer for PayPals lack of fraud detection. Anyone know of a better alternative?
I guess thats one approach to things...if your competitors don't have as many viruses, try to take away their protection too. Although i don't think it will make much difference because I didn't even know virus software for Linux existed and i've been using it for quite a few years.
Yeah but how frustrating is it to come to some sites, like I think Launchcast or whatever, where your computer and browser are physically able to view the content, but some wise guy put a "if browser != Internet Explorer" check on there to show you nothing. Yes, their site will suffer if they dont let people with other browsers in...but its kind of like the drinking age...i was capable of drinking responsibly at 18, but that didn't mean all bars would let me in, thus a fake id was employed.
Actually its the federal government...but its a small department, and not one of the popular ones now. But even if you say "well thats different", then sell software to the gov...I know i could more then retire just on one or two fed gov contracts.
By that time Google had provided search for over 5 years, so what search engine did Yahoo create first?
Erm no, when Yahoo started in 1994 they themselves provided a searchable directory of web sites. They had this until the late 90s. Personally I prefered their directory method to the eventual method used by Google and others of crawling. Unfortunately it was just not maintainable without vast human resources. Google started in 1998, what do you think Yahoo did in those 4 years previous?
and nifty maps. I'll just use Yahoo as an internet organizer.
Sorry, i just had to share a personal story about Google Maps i experienced today. I loved google maps when it came out, but two things about it recently that have been annoying as hell occured. First, try mapping a trip from Baltimore, MD to New Orleans, LA. Map it on google first, then on map quest....notice anything there? Map Quest found a route that was 6 hours shorter!!! I then tried to replicate the same route manually through google and it still managed to estimate a time 5 hours longer?
Next major problem with Google maps...try finding Staten Island or Coney Island, New york. They will not come up. Instead a bunch of businesses with those names come up. Sometimes you just know an area...map quest finds these, Google doesn't. And gmaps has been getting really slow lately. If mapquest just adds some ajax gmaps will fall right off the map (no pun intended).
The difference is Google is making billions each year doing what Yahoo does but doing it better (obviously)
Um, and Yahoo isn't making billions? Last time i checked Yahoo's revenue was higher then Google's, though pretty close. Yahoo also has a much more diverse source of income.
As for the popup-flash ads...those days are mostly gone, Yahoo hasnt had a popup ad for a long time, they still have some annoying ads sometimes, but for the most part its just limited to banner ads these days...nothing worse then you see on any other content site out there. (Google doesnt offer any of its own content, so i'm not sure you can directly compare it in this area)
Um...great idea AOL, offer even LESS of a reason for people to continue paying for your service? Right now the only reason to stay a member is for the "exclusive content" (oh and the delightful chat rooms?). Now they are taking a lot of that exclusivity away? For the love of God AOL, you are a part of Time Warner...surely someone somewhere can see a better way to leverage all that media power???
Honestly no, but I have seen this. Sergey and Larry, despite all the hype about how they "dont care about the money" structured their IPO in a way so that they would maintain complete control, and then have a "sub class" of stock that the rest of the world could own, which is essentially just paper since there are no dividends or voting rights. Next they options themselves millions of these shares, which were given to them exclusively so they could sell them. Hey thats all well and good, they deserve to make money from their company. But then they lower their salary to $1 as if they are just doing this for free....but whats that? They sold every single class C share? Sergey alone cashed out $100 million in June? Whats that again? When they ran out of these shares, they exercised hundreds of thousands more for $0? Sure they don't care about the money. Sure they work for $1....of course optioning 125,000 shares for $0 costs Google the company $37 million... Seeing that kind of insider dumping makes me thing something may be wrong inside Google.
I know everyone else already hammered you for this, but seriously Yahoo has innovated alot more things then Google has, and bought less companies as well. Google bought the underlying tech behind Google maps, google bought Orkut, and Blogger. So that leaves Google with Search engine (yahoo created theirs first), news (yahoo had this along time ago), personalized portal (yahoo first), web based email (yahoo first). Google may improve the wheel a little but they have not came out with many original ideas compared to Yahoo. Even this SMS stuff Google is getting into now, I remember back in 1998 I could have Yahoo send me news and weather alerts and what not on my cell phone. Yahoo became like MS for a while, in that it had no competition, so why innovate...but now that Google is giving a challenge, Yahoo is already starting to come up with a bunch of new stuff. Heck Yahoo has shown us some betas that improve search! Google's search has been stagnant for years now, and isnt that why we liked Google in the first place? Compare Yahoo and Google again in a few years... maybe if Google experienced a.com burst like Yahoo, it would be a little more conservative for a while too.
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the microsoft way : buying patents & sueing people.
Please give on example of this. Microsoft has bought and submitted many patents, but mostly to prevent themselves for being sued. Maybe you are just assuming they have done this but I would love to see an example or preferably several.
Thats just like you dirty liberals, always trying to tell us which portable is better....obviously the PSP sucks...why would i buy one when I have old NES ROMS?
LOL, you must use a different bank then I do, Bank of America and Wachovia have both screwed me over royally using the same tactics PayPal uses. For one example:
BoA detects their ATM's cash total is short at the end of the day by a certain amount....using brilliant detective work they see i deposited roughly that amount that day, so they assume i didnt put a check in...they subtract the money from my account without notifying me, sending checks bouncing left and right, and then giving me a $30 fee for each bounced check. They also gave me a fine for not depositing the amount I said I did. I then have to prove to them i did indeed deposit the check, and someone at that branch stamped it and everything before they finally give me the money back, but refuse to compensate for other disasters that action caused. Same thing is what a lot of PayPal people bitch about. Banks and every other financial institution are evil with this kind of thing.
Well normally I would agree, but most articles about this have said that they believe Google is doing this to diversify their revenue a little more. Right now if the Internet ad demand collapses, so would Google...I think they are doing this because banking is a little safer, and helps them hedge their bets.
Dont they do that already, in the form of their non-voting, non-dividend yielding stock?
I'm sure Google will have transaction fees...how do you expect them to turn a profit? AdSense on your Gbank statement?
"Schmidt said Google does not intend to offer a 'person-to-person stored-value payments system' like PayPal's, in which money briefly resides in PayPal's control during the transaction, but he did not give details of how the Google system would differ."
I guess they could just facilitate payments directly from one persons bank/credit card to another, and take a cut of the transaction...act as a middle man without storing the money. OH and they'd totally use AJAX to do this.
Oh man you silly brits with your "Cost of Living" Minimum wage, and great welfare benefits. Take a lesson from America and screw over the unemployed and minimum wage earners. One of the largest employers in America (Walmart) pays its employees £2.80 an hour, with no medical or other benefits, and people are lining up for jobs with them.
I like how Government programs get cancelled due to initial lack of use....cancel the wifi, cancel the bus routes only a few people use....the government isn't a corporation, its there to help the people, not turn a profit. If only a few people were using a park would they pave it? If only a few people used the courts would they close them? Some things are just a public service, and WiFi is the public service of the 21st century.
Why stop at it fetching beer? Lets make a mobile "keg-bot".
Got one you can recommend? I already went down that road, and ended up paying through the teeth with fees and BS.
Ok was this just a cheap Google plug? From my experience the rate of return on Google ads is usually much lower then the listing fee on ebay auctions...unless your selling some really big ticket items. But try selling one NES game or Beanie Baby by placing Google ads or a eBay listing...there is no way Google would win in that equation unless you got lucky.
PayPal is currently the easiest cheapest way to accept credit cards on your web site as far as I can tell...I used to use a well known credit card merchant and they really ate into my profits, paypal takes a much lower cut compared to most credit companies...but they do have some evil "merchant is always wrong policies", where someone makes a fraudulent charge, and not only do I have to give them the money back I have to pay PayPal a $10 fee as well for my trouble....Merchants should not have to suffer for PayPals lack of fraud detection. Anyone know of a better alternative?
I guess thats one approach to things...if your competitors don't have as many viruses, try to take away their protection too. Although i don't think it will make much difference because I didn't even know virus software for Linux existed and i've been using it for quite a few years.
Yeah but how frustrating is it to come to some sites, like I think Launchcast or whatever, where your computer and browser are physically able to view the content, but some wise guy put a "if browser != Internet Explorer" check on there to show you nothing. Yes, their site will suffer if they dont let people with other browsers in...but its kind of like the drinking age...i was capable of drinking responsibly at 18, but that didn't mean all bars would let me in, thus a fake id was employed.
Actually its the federal government...but its a small department, and not one of the popular ones now. But even if you say "well thats different", then sell software to the gov...I know i could more then retire just on one or two fed gov contracts.
By that time Google had provided search for over 5 years, so what search engine did Yahoo create first?
Erm no, when Yahoo started in 1994 they themselves provided a searchable directory of web sites. They had this until the late 90s. Personally I prefered their directory method to the eventual method used by Google and others of crawling. Unfortunately it was just not maintainable without vast human resources. Google started in 1998, what do you think Yahoo did in those 4 years previous?
and nifty maps. I'll just use Yahoo as an internet organizer.
Sorry, i just had to share a personal story about Google Maps i experienced today. I loved google maps when it came out, but two things about it recently that have been annoying as hell occured. First, try mapping a trip from Baltimore, MD to New Orleans, LA. Map it on google first, then on map quest....notice anything there? Map Quest found a route that was 6 hours shorter!!! I then tried to replicate the same route manually through google and it still managed to estimate a time 5 hours longer?
Next major problem with Google maps...try finding Staten Island or Coney Island, New york. They will not come up. Instead a bunch of businesses with those names come up. Sometimes you just know an area...map quest finds these, Google doesn't. And gmaps has been getting really slow lately. If mapquest just adds some ajax gmaps will fall right off the map (no pun intended).
The difference is Google is making billions each year doing what Yahoo does but doing it better (obviously)
Um, and Yahoo isn't making billions? Last time i checked Yahoo's revenue was higher then Google's, though pretty close. Yahoo also has a much more diverse source of income.
As for the popup-flash ads...those days are mostly gone, Yahoo hasnt had a popup ad for a long time, they still have some annoying ads sometimes, but for the most part its just limited to banner ads these days...nothing worse then you see on any other content site out there. (Google doesnt offer any of its own content, so i'm not sure you can directly compare it in this area)
Um...great idea AOL, offer even LESS of a reason for people to continue paying for your service? Right now the only reason to stay a member is for the "exclusive content" (oh and the delightful chat rooms?). Now they are taking a lot of that exclusivity away? For the love of God AOL, you are a part of Time Warner...surely someone somewhere can see a better way to leverage all that media power???
how much profit has gmail brought in for them?
No, the question is how much profit has it brought to the guy who came up with gmail?
Have you met anyone from Google?
Honestly no, but I have seen this. Sergey and Larry, despite all the hype about how they "dont care about the money" structured their IPO in a way so that they would maintain complete control, and then have a "sub class" of stock that the rest of the world could own, which is essentially just paper since there are no dividends or voting rights. Next they options themselves millions of these shares, which were given to them exclusively so they could sell them. Hey thats all well and good, they deserve to make money from their company. But then they lower their salary to $1 as if they are just doing this for free....but whats that? They sold every single class C share? Sergey alone cashed out $100 million in June? Whats that again? When they ran out of these shares, they exercised hundreds of thousands more for $0? Sure they don't care about the money. Sure they work for $1....of course optioning 125,000 shares for $0 costs Google the company $37 million... Seeing that kind of insider dumping makes me thing something may be wrong inside Google.
I know everyone else already hammered you for this, but seriously Yahoo has innovated alot more things then Google has, and bought less companies as well. Google bought the underlying tech behind Google maps, google bought Orkut, and Blogger. So that leaves Google with Search engine (yahoo created theirs first), news (yahoo had this along time ago), personalized portal (yahoo first), web based email (yahoo first). Google may improve the wheel a little but they have not came out with many original ideas compared to Yahoo. Even this SMS stuff Google is getting into now, I remember back in 1998 I could have Yahoo send me news and weather alerts and what not on my cell phone. Yahoo became like MS for a while, in that it had no competition, so why innovate...but now that Google is giving a challenge, Yahoo is already starting to come up with a bunch of new stuff. Heck Yahoo has shown us some betas that improve search! Google's search has been stagnant for years now, and isnt that why we liked Google in the first place? Compare Yahoo and Google again in a few years... maybe if Google experienced a .com burst like Yahoo, it would be a little more conservative for a while too.
Level 5 Networks, which emerged from the stealth startup status with its own brand of network cards and software
I just saw a story on slashdot today that related to this.
Even worse, there seems to be no way to edit them once created.