Errr right, maybe I just listen to the expert's opinion.
I think the Dave Chapell Show said it best on how people are reacting to this speculation.
Lawyer: So is Micheal Jackson a child molestor? Dave: That is just a lie! A frame up! He is a perfectly well adjusted individual and harmless. Lawyer: So you'd let your children spend the night with Micheal Jackson? Dave: HELL NO!!
Sure we don't know if it cell phone towers cause cancer, but would you move your family into a house where one is in your yard?;)
I wouldn't say the core problem of voting is faulty machines in itself but voter apathy and centralized voting commitee.
What we really need is either two things:
1. Election Day as a National Holiday (like 4th of July or Christmas) in which everyone gets off of work to go vote. And make a big deal out of Americans participating in the election.
2. Make it easier to vote. During the 2004 election, many places out 2-4 hour waits to vote. If you had to work that day, well... Many people gave up and went to work.
3. Allow internet voting or easier absentee voting. The above two problems would be a moot point if we could simply use our SSN with a pre-registered form of our current verifiable address (with our drivers license or state ID) and then just.
This should be controlled at State and even more local levels... Internet voting should not be controled or regulated at the Federal level.
Still... I doubt any of these things are going to happen any time soon so I'm going to be proactive and just ask work to give me the day off for election day.
The majority of voters in largely Democratic areas in Ohio didn't even use electronic voting machines so this is kind of a moot point. The places where Bush scored highly used Diebold machines, true, but they also had very heavy Republican bases in the first place.
Were these figures determined by the actual voting or something else?
If they were determined by the votes themselves to determine which areas were Democratic and which were republican... And the democratic areas were not Diebold machines and the Republican were...
Well... I think that kind of answers the question.
As in if the universe that has a higher percentage of your survival (ie: going to the university and not being a bum who gets hit by a train after a night of drinking) you will experience that.
Of course anyone else experiencing the universe will see it as the one they are most likley to survive. So if you went to the university and createed a superweapon that blew up a nation, those people in that nation would most likley experience a universe where you were just a bum.
Of course, I'm not sure how it works when you consider old age... Perhaps there were no true observers in our time frame that were before the possiblity of a technological singularity (or those people in the past spontaneously became immortal or something but we don't see that because those universes are more improbable but that isn't really a good explanation).
Which is quite an assumption. It's kind of useful to be able to get support and relay news outside of the area of failure.
If you are that concerned about communication during a disaster... May I suggest a satellite phone powered by a solar power. Maybe throw in satelliete modem to boot. I'd probaly get more attention posting on slashdot during a disaster anyways...
Well... And if our satellites are down then we are pretty much screwed.
Well... If you if held a BPL sponsored event where Janet Jackson had another "wardrode malfuction", I'm sure the FCC would pay attention to those angry letters.
And the bottom line says the Indian engineer can charge less for his job because his cost of living is less. Protectionism, coming from either the government or the union, will not change that.
Iroquois Pliskin: The cardboard box that you have is ideal for fooling your enemies. It's a very important tool for infiltration missions. Raiden: Really? Iroquois Pliskin: Of course. I can't begin to count the number of agents whose lives were saved by a cardboard box... Raiden: You mean everyone's using them? Iroquois Pliskin: Look, I'm not exaggerating when I say the success of your mission hinges on how you use that cardboard box. But in the end, a cardboard box is only made of paper. Handle it with care or it won't be of much use to you. Don't think of it as just another box. Treat it with love... Don't be rough. Okay? ---- Pliskin: [muttering] I lost a lot of good cardboard boxes thanks to you. Raiden: What? Pliskin: Oh, nothing.
As good a game as Metal Gear Solid was, they're going to have to strip out quite a bit of the cheese and over-the-top melodrama to make the story palatable to a U.S. movie audience.
At that moment, Governor Arnold threw a combat knife into the would be movie critic, Intellectual Elitist, pinning him against the wall quipping the ironic phrase "Schtick arrouund!" much to the shagrin of American movie goers everywhere.
Arnold was last seen fleeing the scene with a wounded Uwe Bolle on his back screaming "GEEEET TO THE CHOPPA!!!"
This is Slashdot - an anecdote is all that is required for proof.
Well... To be fair... Anecdotal evidence is still evidence.;)
Still if such behavior is allowed once, we can assume that it happens more than that and either a manager is over looking it, encouraging it, or isn't managing well enough to notice it.
As in, if one person in a company is a fucktard, then someone else is to blame that they are still working there... And that goes all the way up the chain to the CEO.
Depends on how good your lawyer is. It is kind of like going to a store and walking in after hours just by pushing the front door. You could have said... "Well the door was open so I thought the store was open"
Of course if there is a sign says... "No tresspassing. Violators will be shot... Survivors shot again." in a 50 foot wide sign then there isn't much of an exscuse.
Seriously, if I left my front door open, people are bound to stick their head in whether than are malicious thieves, jehovah's witnesses that think they could leave some pamphlet's on my coffee table, mischeivious neighbor's 2 year old, or good intentioned neighbor letting me know his dog ran into my living room.
That and if I did get my TV stolen... My insurance company would blame me if I told them "Oh I left the door open that day." and not give me a single dime. (Check your policy for stipulations, but trust me they are there).
But of course this issue is about the military... Unless you are a government contractor wandering around base with deliveries then usually it is assumed that government unauthorized access is a big no no.
Still... The saying goes... Locks are for the honest people so they don't get tempted into being bad.
And it's the military. You really think you can poke around in the military's systems without them coming after you?
You mean the said same military with blank NT Administrator passwords?
I'd sure hate the think what a team of Chinese or North Korean Government sanctioned hackers would do.
But that has nothing to do with posting a dissenting opinion. The clearly established fact that PJ does not allow dissention, diminished groklaw's credibility. Groklaw is a great site in many respects but PJ not allowing alternative opinions, is not a good thing.
And why does any group or individual not have the right to delete any message on their privately owned board of their choosing?
Sure, it aggravates the poster, (and may be shady) but otherwise it is an "ad hominen" to use this as an argument against PJ.
People who get hung up over the politics of it need to remember that a computer is a machine. It's a tool. It does a job. And that's all.
I wish politicians and lawyers would hold the same view... You know... EULA's and DMCA type of views.
The problem with life is that politics is in everything. Politics determine who much you are paid at work (or taxed rather). What kind of fuel efficiency your car gets. What your kids are taught in school
From quality of air you breath... And the legality of content you read on slashdot.
I dare you to find one thing in life that isn't affected by politics.
Simply putting your head in the sand won't make it go away either.
Doesn't mean you have live, breath, and eat politics... But it is one the key features of the human race.
If someone is capable of listening on a optic fiber in the present day - and im fairly certain there arent many people like that out there - whats to stop them from eavesdropping on a fiber such as this ?
As another poster just said, it isn't about them not tapping the line, but rather that you instantly know if someone is listening in. Heck you could even automate it to shut off communication if someone taps the line.
Of course we are talking about easy DoS attacks, but this application is for those who need to communicate security at all costs. NSA, CIA, and military applications where loss of any information is intolerable and they'd rather have the line cut than risk it.
Two, if you got the information in a way that you knew, or must know was illegal. If you broke into the doctors office and stole the medical files, it's perfectly acceptable to hold you liable for the damages that ensue if you sell those files to the slander-press.
I don't think those anologies work in this situation.
It would be like you have a bulletin board at your local general store and then some guy comes in and posts the "offending" information on your bulleting board. Not only that, it wasn't the information, but rather a map to the house to where you could contact the person with the information.
That is what happened with Somethingawful. The non-employee of somethingawful posted a link to a document on another website.
When trying to make analogies with anything on the internet... They don't really work that well because... Well the internet is more... different than real physical life...
When you compare real world situations to the internet... I dunno... It is as if you were trying to explain the rules of football by comparing it to the mating and gestation of crustation anthropods or maybe faster than light travel engines.
I've never met a hacker unable to grab an image- be it from cache or screenshot.
Ok. You are on a VNC connection to your bosses computer from your home dialup after you installed it the other day when he wasn't looking. While digging through his my pictures folder, you see him and a donkey in a very comprimising position.
You are shocked... But then you noticed the mouse cursor move to the bottom right hand corner of screen and right click the VNC icon and end program.
Now, if you forgot to to hit print screen before the VNC Session closed... Can you get that image back?
No amount of hitting print screen now will get the image back... Nor does VNC have any type of cache or location in memory now.
I'm not saying he's right, but if the Java client was anything like VNC then its plausible.
The idea is to preserve humanity at all costs. As far as we know, Earth is the only home for intelligent life - and, perhaps, life at all - in the universe.
If the average human's body cannot withstand radiation in 1,000 years... That means one thing.
We haven't evolved to a state where we can travel long distances in space.
Which also means we are most likley stuck on this planet...
Given the stastistics, we will most likley be hit with a meteor between now and 10,000 years that will most likley make life a living hell for all still around... That is unless we happen to be elsewhere.
Or perhaps we aren't but we are technologically advanced enough to divert any incoming asteroids...
Or survive a gamma ray burst... Or magnetic pole reversal... Or anything else that may cause solar radation to kill off life on the surface.
For some reason I feel that life on Earth is indeed a fluke and we might be the only things in the universe with self awareness.
This might be our only chance to branch out and get off this planet before we are snuffed out by a cosmic hiccup. If our future selves are cave dwellers... Our chances of surviving an End of the World Event go to 0%.
A fun project, and potentially a good step on the road towards human-like intelligence. However, the "2-year-old" remark is again one of those far-fetched promises that is a loooooooooooooong way off. Making a robot-arm play with a rubber ducky is one thing, letting a robot understand what a rubber ducky is, is quite another.
How do we know the 2 year old does understand what a ruber ducky is?
Of course their brain may understand the rubber ducky is "that yellow thing... that feels a certain way... has that certain shape... and squeaks when i squeeze it..."
But do they really understand what it is in relationship to other things or true understanding. I mean... Its relationship to where we got it from. We bought it at a store... It was made in china... Its made of rubber or some type of synthetic... It floats because of physical properties... And bears a resemblence to a real life duck (a child of 2 year old might not grasp that key concept yet... think of it like captcha).
At that level a child's pattern recognition is quite limited, but is quite at the stage where it will basically explode with ability to relate verbal words to objects and actions and people.
Still... Understanding until you are older is more or less... This [object] is [this]. Later we learn [object] is [this] and does [action] which causes [result]. And then relationships of [object] with other [objects]. That is what usually throws machine intelligence into a loop. It can recognize patterns, but it can't relate those patterns to other patterns like a human can (at least right now).
Still, I certainly didn't have cognitive memories until I was older than 5 or even 7 where I started asking those annoying parental questions like "Why is the sky blue?" and "Where do people go where they die?".
Unfortunatley free email host acounts with Register.com (the ones you get for just buying a domain from you) have spam protection that you can't turn or or even add a whitelist.
Trust me. I asked, but they gave me a firm no and told me to have the offending ISP contact them. Gee... Thanks... But I am the... Oh never mind.
I wondered the same thing. My question though, is if the universe expands infinitely, periodically replenished by another Big Bang, where does the matter/energy come from that creates the next Big Bang?
I'm definatley not an expert of the subject, but I remember Stephen Hawking explained in "Brief History of Time" (i'm pretty sure it was that one) that there is 0 energy in the universe or rather you can simply theoretically create as much matter and energy as you want but you end with an increase in gravity.
As in you can make more energy and matter or rather you aren't making energy and matter, but rather pulling appart the universe which creates matter and energy but you inscrease the gravity sink involved... Of course this might be what a black hole is.
I hope I'm not saying something he didn't mean though...
I think it was with his bet that he lost about information escaping from black holes in a revised edition of his book. He goes on to explain that the universe is a "free lunch", but this would of course mean increased amounts of gravity (aka the black hole).
Slashdot Mirror
Errr right, maybe I just listen to the expert's opinion.
;)
I think the Dave Chapell Show said it best on how people are reacting to this speculation.
Lawyer: So is Micheal Jackson a child molestor?
Dave: That is just a lie! A frame up! He is a perfectly well adjusted individual and harmless.
Lawyer: So you'd let your children spend the night with Micheal Jackson?
Dave: HELL NO!!
Sure we don't know if it cell phone towers cause cancer, but would you move your family into a house where one is in your yard?
I think we already know the answer.
I wouldn't say the core problem of voting is faulty machines in itself but voter apathy and centralized voting commitee.
What we really need is either two things:
1. Election Day as a National Holiday (like 4th of July or Christmas) in which everyone gets off of work to go vote. And make a big deal out of Americans participating in the election.
2. Make it easier to vote. During the 2004 election, many places out 2-4 hour waits to vote. If you had to work that day, well... Many people gave up and went to work.
3. Allow internet voting or easier absentee voting. The above two problems would be a moot point if we could simply use our SSN with a pre-registered form of our current verifiable address (with our drivers license or state ID) and then just.
This should be controlled at State and even more local levels... Internet voting should not be controled or regulated at the Federal level.
Still... I doubt any of these things are going to happen any time soon so I'm going to be proactive and just ask work to give me the day off for election day.
The majority of voters in largely Democratic areas in Ohio didn't even use electronic voting machines so this is kind of a moot point. The places where Bush scored highly used Diebold machines, true, but they also had very heavy Republican bases in the first place.
Were these figures determined by the actual voting or something else?
If they were determined by the votes themselves to determine which areas were Democratic and which were republican... And the democratic areas were not Diebold machines and the Republican were...
Well... I think that kind of answers the question.
There is a controversial theory that you can only exist in the universe that allows you to not die.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_immortality
As in if the universe that has a higher percentage of your survival (ie: going to the university and not being a bum who gets hit by a train after a night of drinking) you will experience that.
Of course anyone else experiencing the universe will see it as the one they are most likley to survive. So if you went to the university and createed a superweapon that blew up a nation, those people in that nation would most likley experience a universe where you were just a bum.
Of course, I'm not sure how it works when you consider old age... Perhaps there were no true observers in our time frame that were before the possiblity of a technological singularity (or those people in the past spontaneously became immortal or something but we don't see that because those universes are more improbable but that isn't really a good explanation).
Which is quite an assumption. It's kind of useful to be able to get support and relay news outside of the area of failure.
If you are that concerned about communication during a disaster... May I suggest a satellite phone powered by a solar power. Maybe throw in satelliete modem to boot. I'd probaly get more attention posting on slashdot during a disaster anyways...
Well... And if our satellites are down then we are pretty much screwed.
in violation of the FCC's own regulations
Well... If you if held a BPL sponsored event where Janet Jackson had another "wardrode malfuction", I'm sure the FCC would pay attention to those angry letters.
FiOS
And the bottom line says the Indian engineer can charge less for his job because his cost of living is less. Protectionism, coming from either the government or the union, will not change that.
So we just make their cost of living higher?
Iroquois Pliskin: The cardboard box that you have is ideal for fooling your enemies. It's a very important tool for infiltration missions.
Raiden: Really?
Iroquois Pliskin: Of course. I can't begin to count the number of agents whose lives were saved by a cardboard box...
Raiden: You mean everyone's using them?
Iroquois Pliskin: Look, I'm not exaggerating when I say the success of your mission hinges on how you use that cardboard box. But in the end, a cardboard box is only made of paper. Handle it with care or it won't be of much use to you. Don't think of it as just another box. Treat it with love... Don't be rough. Okay?
----
Pliskin: [muttering] I lost a lot of good cardboard boxes thanks to you.
Raiden: What?
Pliskin: Oh, nothing.
As good a game as Metal Gear Solid was, they're going to have to strip out quite a bit of the cheese and over-the-top melodrama to make the story palatable to a U.S. movie audience.
At that moment, Governor Arnold threw a combat knife into the would be movie critic, Intellectual Elitist, pinning him against the wall quipping the ironic phrase "Schtick arrouund!" much to the shagrin of American movie goers everywhere.
Arnold was last seen fleeing the scene with a wounded Uwe Bolle on his back screaming "GEEEET TO THE CHOPPA!!!"
This is Slashdot - an anecdote is all that is required for proof.
;)
Well... To be fair... Anecdotal evidence is still evidence.
Still if such behavior is allowed once, we can assume that it happens more than that and either a manager is over looking it, encouraging it, or isn't managing well enough to notice it.
As in, if one person in a company is a fucktard, then someone else is to blame that they are still working there... And that goes all the way up the chain to the CEO.
A) Why should he be tried in a country where the crime did not take place?
England?
B) Why do you think he won't get a fair trial in the US?
OJ Simpson
C) From the article "McKinnon faces a maximum sentence of five years in federal prison and a $250,000 fine." How is that a disproportionate sentence?
Buttsecks
You want to guess how well that flies?
Depends on how good your lawyer is. It is kind of like going to a store and walking in after hours just by pushing the front door. You could have said... "Well the door was open so I thought the store was open"
Of course if there is a sign says... "No tresspassing. Violators will be shot... Survivors shot again." in a 50 foot wide sign then there isn't much of an exscuse.
Seriously, if I left my front door open, people are bound to stick their head in whether than are malicious thieves, jehovah's witnesses that think they could leave some pamphlet's on my coffee table, mischeivious neighbor's 2 year old, or good intentioned neighbor letting me know his dog ran into my living room.
That and if I did get my TV stolen... My insurance company would blame me if I told them "Oh I left the door open that day." and not give me a single dime. (Check your policy for stipulations, but trust me they are there).
But of course this issue is about the military... Unless you are a government contractor wandering around base with deliveries then usually it is assumed that government unauthorized access is a big no no.
Still... The saying goes... Locks are for the honest people so they don't get tempted into being bad.
And it's the military. You really think you can poke around in the military's systems without them coming after you?
You mean the said same military with blank NT Administrator passwords?
I'd sure hate the think what a team of Chinese or North Korean Government sanctioned hackers would do.
If they haven't already...
It appears to be a blog I've seen a while back. Is this a forum you are seeing? Or did they change the summary link?
But that has nothing to do with posting a dissenting opinion. The clearly established fact that PJ does not allow dissention, diminished groklaw's credibility. Groklaw is a great site in many respects but PJ not allowing alternative opinions, is not a good thing.
And why does any group or individual not have the right to delete any message on their privately owned board of their choosing?
Sure, it aggravates the poster, (and may be shady) but otherwise it is an "ad hominen" to use this as an argument against PJ.
People who get hung up over the politics of it need to remember that a computer is a machine. It's a tool. It does a job. And that's all.
I wish politicians and lawyers would hold the same view... You know... EULA's and DMCA type of views.
The problem with life is that politics is in everything. Politics determine who much you are paid at work (or taxed rather). What kind of fuel efficiency your car gets. What your kids are taught in school
From quality of air you breath... And the legality of content you read on slashdot.
I dare you to find one thing in life that isn't affected by politics.
Simply putting your head in the sand won't make it go away either.
Doesn't mean you have live, breath, and eat politics... But it is one the key features of the human race.
The point of an operating system is to enable the user to get their stuff done.
You mean... Like solataire?
Look at porn?
Play some games?
Write grandma an email?
Many developers have high hopes for the end user's goal into create Nobel Prize winning works on their PCs.
Really, the end user just wants the operating system to work without fiddling with it.
But the same applies to the what you said about getting stuff done. But let us not kid ourselves about what the end user is actually doing.
If someone is capable of listening on a optic fiber in the present day - and im fairly certain there arent many people like that out there - whats to stop them from eavesdropping on a fiber such as this ?
As another poster just said, it isn't about them not tapping the line, but rather that you instantly know if someone is listening in. Heck you could even automate it to shut off communication if someone taps the line.
Of course we are talking about easy DoS attacks, but this application is for those who need to communicate security at all costs. NSA, CIA, and military applications where loss of any information is intolerable and they'd rather have the line cut than risk it.
Two, if you got the information in a way that you knew, or must know was illegal. If you broke into the doctors office and stole the medical files, it's perfectly acceptable to hold you liable for the damages that ensue if you sell those files to the slander-press.
I don't think those anologies work in this situation.
It would be like you have a bulletin board at your local general store and then some guy comes in and posts the "offending" information on your bulleting board. Not only that, it wasn't the information, but rather a map to the house to where you could contact the person with the information.
That is what happened with Somethingawful. The non-employee of somethingawful posted a link to a document on another website.
When trying to make analogies with anything on the internet... They don't really work that well because... Well the internet is more... different than real physical life...
When you compare real world situations to the internet... I dunno... It is as if you were trying to explain the rules of football by comparing it to the mating and gestation of crustation anthropods or maybe faster than light travel engines.
I've never met a hacker unable to grab an image- be it from cache or screenshot.
Ok. You are on a VNC connection to your bosses computer from your home dialup after you installed it the other day when he wasn't looking. While digging through his my pictures folder, you see him and a donkey in a very comprimising position.
You are shocked... But then you noticed the mouse cursor move to the bottom right hand corner of screen and right click the VNC icon and end program.
Now, if you forgot to to hit print screen before the VNC Session closed... Can you get that image back?
No amount of hitting print screen now will get the image back... Nor does VNC have any type of cache or location in memory now.
I'm not saying he's right, but if the Java client was anything like VNC then its plausible.
The idea is to preserve humanity at all costs. As far as we know, Earth is the only home for intelligent life - and, perhaps, life at all - in the universe.
If the average human's body cannot withstand radiation in 1,000 years... That means one thing.
We haven't evolved to a state where we can travel long distances in space.
Which also means we are most likley stuck on this planet...
Given the stastistics, we will most likley be hit with a meteor between now and 10,000 years that will most likley make life a living hell for all still around... That is unless we happen to be elsewhere.
Or perhaps we aren't but we are technologically advanced enough to divert any incoming asteroids...
Or survive a gamma ray burst... Or magnetic pole reversal... Or anything else that may cause solar radation to kill off life on the surface.
For some reason I feel that life on Earth is indeed a fluke and we might be the only things in the universe with self awareness.
This might be our only chance to branch out and get off this planet before we are snuffed out by a cosmic hiccup. If our future selves are cave dwellers... Our chances of surviving an End of the World Event go to 0%.
A fun project, and potentially a good step on the road towards human-like intelligence. However, the "2-year-old" remark is again one of those far-fetched promises that is a loooooooooooooong way off. Making a robot-arm play with a rubber ducky is one thing, letting a robot understand what a rubber ducky is, is quite another.
How do we know the 2 year old does understand what a ruber ducky is?
Of course their brain may understand the rubber ducky is "that yellow thing... that feels a certain way... has that certain shape... and squeaks when i squeeze it..."
But do they really understand what it is in relationship to other things or true understanding. I mean... Its relationship to where we got it from. We bought it at a store... It was made in china... Its made of rubber or some type of synthetic... It floats because of physical properties... And bears a resemblence to a real life duck (a child of 2 year old might not grasp that key concept yet... think of it like captcha).
At that level a child's pattern recognition is quite limited, but is quite at the stage where it will basically explode with ability to relate verbal words to objects and actions and people.
Still... Understanding until you are older is more or less... This [object] is [this]. Later we learn [object] is [this] and does [action] which causes [result]. And then relationships of [object] with other [objects]. That is what usually throws machine intelligence into a loop. It can recognize patterns, but it can't relate those patterns to other patterns like a human can (at least right now).
Still, I certainly didn't have cognitive memories until I was older than 5 or even 7 where I started asking those annoying parental questions like "Why is the sky blue?" and "Where do people go where they die?".
Lol! Well... I was able to add my work email address into my address book and I don't have a problem receiving.
Unfortunatley free email host acounts with Register.com (the ones you get for just buying a domain from you) have spam protection that you can't turn or or even add a whitelist.
Trust me. I asked, but they gave me a firm no and told me to have the offending ISP contact them. Gee... Thanks... But I am the... Oh never mind.
I wondered the same thing. My question though, is if the universe expands infinitely, periodically replenished by another Big Bang, where does the matter/energy come from that creates the next Big Bang?
I'm definatley not an expert of the subject, but I remember Stephen Hawking explained in "Brief History of Time" (i'm pretty sure it was that one) that there is 0 energy in the universe or rather you can simply theoretically create as much matter and energy as you want but you end with an increase in gravity.
As in you can make more energy and matter or rather you aren't making energy and matter, but rather pulling appart the universe which creates matter and energy but you inscrease the gravity sink involved... Of course this might be what a black hole is.
I hope I'm not saying something he didn't mean though...
I think it was with his bet that he lost about information escaping from black holes in a revised edition of his book. He goes on to explain that the universe is a "free lunch", but this would of course mean increased amounts of gravity (aka the black hole).