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NASA Hacker Gary McKinnon Interviewed
An anonymous reader writes "A BBC article reports about an interview between Click and Gary McKinnon who in 2002 hacked into NASA and other US Military networks. In the interview he talks about how he accessed machines by using default passwords and a conversation with a NASA network engineer using Wordpad. He also talks about how he found information about anti-gravity, UFO technology, free energy and how UFOs are regularly airbrushed out from high-resolution satellite images."
No, the graphical remote viewer works frame by frame. It's a Java application, so there's nothing to save on your hard drive, or at least if it is, only one frame at a time.
What kind of moron spends 3 years breaking into government computers and doesn't know how to do a screen capture or see the importance of saving what he's doing. Sorry folks, but from reading this interview, he seems like bullshit.
Is he certain he didn't stumble on a NASA honeypot?
I can see this story bringing out the conspiracy theory trolls for sure :)
-- If at first you don't succeed, lie!
Does he really know anything interesting or did he just find a bunch of documents on how a missile works?
I will preemptively state that UFO does not necessarily mean extraterrestrial technology or not from this planet. In the raw form of the acronym, it means simple that there is an Unidentified Flying Object. There are most likely hundreds of types of aircraft that governments around the world would refuse to classify due to a need to keep their enemies in the dark (national security).
From the article: He interchangeably uses "suppressed technology" with "UFO technology." I'm certain the United States Government has tons of suppressed technology as well as any other government for obvious reasons.
I should finish the quote, however: Ok, that last bit about free energy, you can go ahead and call him a nut job. And then there's also this: Yeah, Gary, it sure is crazy how you can mess with the color quality and resolution of an image to make it look like my family picture is really some image a green gelatinous blob that eats people. Uh, I only heard a story about a blimp above the earth's atmosphere. Where was the story where you saw a device that produced unlimited amounts of energy?
"In my house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!" - Homer Simpson
My work here is dung.
Reality is defined by the maddest person in the room
April fools was last month folks!!
I had to double check the date on the article to make sure it wasn't 1st April!
While this guy seems genuine, the whole conspiracy theory thing still rings alarm bells in my head. Not sure whether to believe him.
This guys best defense would be to issue a full and frank admission of guilt.
Who would believe him?
SCO employee? Check out the bounty
The other thing is about the "airbrushing UFOs out of photos.."
A UFO could be anything - Unidentified Flying Object - doesn't mean flying saucer from the planet Krypton. AND...if there really was flying saucers from Krypton out there, who's keeping the Europeans, Chinese, Russians, etc... from publishing those photos...
I agree with previous posters - BS.
The guy's trying to make a living on the talk-show circuit - somehow. Is there a way of finding out if he's being compensated for these "interviews"?
The last time he was interviewed, he said he didn't find any real proof for UFOs, just a file for "non-earth-based marines" (or something of that sort, it's been a year since I heard it). And now he suddenly has more info? This sounds to me like he's running out of money and tries to sell a story.
He also found out that the Lone Gunmen are dead.
He forgot about UPC labels and the ZIP+4 system (which is really a secret relocation program). Just pray they never use it. =)
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity but they've always worked for me" - HST
Like this one?
(Yes, I know it's probably a water droplet on a high-altitude atmospheric camera, since there's a grid of them. Why wouldn't the "UFOs" airbrushed out by NASA also be weather balloons and similar artifacts?)
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Sounds like he's been counseled towards an insanity defense. Good setup for it.
I for one am getting sick and tired of various nutjobs, scoundrels and losers latching onto the "energy conspiracy" bandwagon in order to justify stupidity.
I've never met a hacker unable to grab an image- be it from cache or screenshot. This guy is full of shit, and looking for sympathy. Period.
However: despite these loons, there *is* a very real "energy conspiracy". And guess what? It doesn't involve alien races or secret technology, it involves PLANTS (ya know, grow from dirt, rather cheap and eco-friendly).
Biodiesel. Hemp. There ARE solutions. There ARE forces holding back progress.
And every time a fool like this "latches on" to "the cause" it hurts the credibility of some wonderful people who are are trying against all odds to save us from ourselves.
barack to the future?
1) Hacking into NASA for three years with a 56k only?
2) What about using the "Print" button which makes a screenshot? (Well, in Windows it does.)
3) They are suppressing free energy? Why? Free energy would launch an incredible boom for economy, help greatly in pollution reduction, provide an excellent way of getting rid of oil dependency, provide instant cheap space exploration (and thus access to the vast resources on the moon and in the asteroid belt, for example), erase any poverty and/or hunger etc. So WHY should anyone suppress that? Can anyone tell me why?
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It's an interesting interview. Obviously, he did gain access to military computers, he admits to it, but it's not so obvious what he found. The only way to verify what he said would be to have an outside party with unrestricted access check into the same systems that he did and quickly. Whether or not there are aliens or we have alien technology I don't really care but I don't find it so far fetched that the government keeps secrets from us.
Part of me wishes that he wasn't full of shit. Aliens and free energy, the two things that would really rock.
was just fucking with him - trolling a hacker for laughs. Then it hits the press and NASA has a public relations problem on its hands. whoops.
Search Google, do research and your own thinking and you'll find that there is A LOT of "information about anti-gravity, UFO technology, free energy and how UFOs are regularly airbrushed out from high-resolution satellite images." on the Internet and even though these things may sound odd, they are all extremely well documentet. However, The "New World Order" gang http://torrentchannel.com/the_new_world_order does not want you to have access to this information, specially not about UFO's, and they also do not want you to have the fancy technology the've got, specially not anti-gravity and free energy. So you'll probably not find super-computers, free energy generators or anti-gravity devices in your local store any time soon (By super-computers I mean those NSA and NASA use; remember, 30 years ago computers who could monitor millions of telephone conversations and filter out words like "bomb", "communism" etc already existed)
9/11: Never forget it was a false-flag operation
Also, any chance he actually found something about anti-gravity and all that and that he wrongly attributed it aliens? Sounds unlikely to me, but after all, (non-alien) UFOs seem to exist (relying on pilots and radar operators witnessings), and since they are of human origin, after all, the NASA *could* be involved (I know it sounds quite like science-fiction tho)
You just got troll'd!
Anyone who thinks that the US government is sitting on technology that would give us greater air superiority in combat, make exploration and military domination of space easy, eliminate a significant portion of our trade deficit, make us no longer beholden to countries like Iran, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, and Russia, etc., etc. is a complete and total lunatic.
If we had alien technology, had reverse engineered it, and knew how to make it work, we would be using it right now.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
The guy is clearly a loon. Anyone who is "smart enough" to get into secure defence department computers and still cannot extract one iota of these images that prove his point is probably just inventing the whole thing (other than the break-in).
From TFA... the guy can go through all this on the remote machine:
I got one picture out of the folder, and bearing in mind this is a 56k dial-up, so a very slow internet connection, in dial-up days, using the remote control programme I turned the colour down to 4bit colour and the screen resolution really, really low, and even then the picture was still juddering as it came onto the screen.
And then this:
SK: Do you have a copy of this? It came down to your machine.
GM: No, the graphical remote viewer works frame by frame. It's a Java application, so there's nothing to save on your hard drive, or at least if it is, only one frame at a time.
Skrip Kidees should have to pass a test of basic PC operations before being allowed to crack into Seekrit Gubmint Installations.
Tag lost or not installed.
It's a satellite photograph. There may well be a reasonable explanation that does not involve a UFO - but it sure isn't a water droplet.
Instead of a dummy in a field taking shaking photos,
it's a dummy pretending he's a computer hacker.
Notice how his face was oily: he probably spent hours
putting on makeup to look good for his Big Day.
For those who don't know, BBC Click is an extremely-dumbed-down-for-the-masses IT show from the BBC, to the extent that most slashdotters would probably cringe if they had to watch it. This being an interview, I'm assuming they're quoting verbatim and haven't edited it for the masses though, but you never know.
Only good thing about that show is Kate Russell, but she hardly gets any screen time.
Oh no... it's the future.
Well, it was 1945, and the u.s. government had enough lack of vision and stupidity to incorporate remnants of the gestapo as 'experts' in 'intelligence' to then newly being formed CIA. Some of these 'people' are still alive !
Naturally a big change in the practices of government intelligence has formed there - Herd the crowds, hide anything that is against your or your interest group's profit from the public, do any plot neccessary to reach your ends even if it contradicts with your nation's heritage. These men were NAZI. They tortured people, their loved ones in front of their eyes, barred nothing in order to reach their ends, even not their own relatives, sons, daughters.
The simplest result of this have been the erection of puppet dictatorships throughout the 3rd world countries. And u.s. is paying the price for them now, in form of regional wars.
There are still nazi in u.s. government. The likes of which, many u.s. citizens have died or lost their close ones to remove from the face of the earth. And they have shaped the CIA, which has become a government on its own. Not to mention many other that were founded in the lines of it.
Oh yes it is possible - it is possible that many much-sought-for technologies might be found, and still kept hidden from public use, and reserved only for the so called 'government' - something which only cares about your own participants' interests and not the nation by now.
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"I wrote a tiny Perl script that tied together other people's programs that search for blank passwords, so you could scan 65,000 machines in just over eight minutes."
65000/8 = 8125 per min.
8125/60 = 135 per sec.
Dunno about that. Just the time it takes to bring up a socket and get some syn/ack going chews up a good portion of a second. Maybe he was searching a local password database.
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A good way to find out:: Give the guy a polygraph before he's extradited! (Results would be interesting indeed, and if he's telling the truth, it should be recognizable, well, unless he's an expert at bypassing the polygraph test...)
i've seen report after report about this joker on the BBC news for weeks now, and quite frankly, i'm sick of him. he started out saying that he's not a hacker, then he becomes a hacker, then he says he's found nothing conclusive, now he says that he's seen proof of 'free' energy systems. whatever. i call bullshit.
http://xkcd.com/313/
GM: Once I was cut off, my picture just disappeared.
SK: You were actually cut off the time you were downloading the picture?
GM: Yes, I saw the guy's hand move across.
The guy's hand move across? I think this guy's spent more time watching movies about computers than he has using actual ones. I don't know about you but any time I've ever telnetted or FTPed into a mainframe, all I got was text. Real-time motion is strictly X-Files stuff.
By the way, I'm not an expert on Windows so can someone tell me if it's even possible to have a two-way conversation using WordPad? I was under the impression that it's strictly a text editor.
This ain't rocket surgery.
You're not sure??
The thing that always surprises me about these Giant Conspiracy nutjobs is that they never really ask themselves how such a conspiracy would *work*. There must be thousands of people in the know, going back for at least 30 years -- and they really think this wouldn't have leaked by now??
Apple can't keep the date they launch new computers secret (next Tuesday for the next batch intel powerbooks, by all accounts). And that is a secret with a finite lifetime (three months ago not even Steve Jobs knew the date -- a week from now everyone will know it).
The NSA can't randomly listen in on international calls for more than a year or two without someone blowing the whistle. The CIA grabs some very bad guy in Pakistan and holds his head underwater, and a few months later we can all read about it in the New Yorker.
Remember this giant conspiracy is brought to you by the same people who run FEMA and promote "absitence only" sex education as a solution to teen pregnancy. But somehow the conspiracy works well until some script kiddie breaks into NASA over a dialup line (you plan to find free energy devices that will change the face of civilization, and you can't spring for DSL??) and you find that all these "secrets" are protected by default passwords. This guy presumably did hack into NASA, but the rest of it crap -- he is either nuts, or hoping that the Feds will decide it isn't worth the bother to have the guy spouting this nonsense on the stand.
"the picture was still juddering as it came onto the screen"
:)
So it was a GIF?
It's good to be skeptical. But this guy clearly hacked into various US government organisations otherwise they wouldn't want him extradited.
2 3762628848 [google video] for info on another conspiracy theory (9/11).
For me three important things are thrown up by this case:
1. the incredibly harsh suggested punishment by the US govt. (60 years in jail)
2. the amazing lack of security at multiple us govt organisations
3. the broad dismissal of "conspiracy theories" as being fantastical (to use a Dane Cook-ism), before serious consideration
On the conspiracy theory point. People are free to form their own theories, such as this guy's that the US govt. is supressing alien technology, and these theories can actually be helpful in challenging governments where there might be a genuine public interest.
Take a look at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-82600599
My point is this: some (even most) conspiracy theories may be based on a misplaced sense of paranoia, but this doesn't mean that they can't raise valid questions that should be answered by the organisations concerned.
Consider this: WHY would you show off your MOST ADVANCED technology if your LESS ADVANCED technology already IS SUPERIOUR to the adversarys?
You've obviously never read up on the kind of technological fantasies the US military has. Despite your BOLD STATEMENTS that EMPHATICALLY use CAPITALIZED WORDS which make me DOUBT YOUR SANITY, the US military is completely and totally incapable of understanding the words "good enough." Even though our military technology can stomp on anyone on the planet, the Pentagon has long argued for increased capabilities against a phantom Chinese threat. They conjure up the image of China suddenly having tech on par with ours in 10-20 years as a boogeyman to justify bigger and fatter budgets for more powerful weapons.
Second, the space program is a black eye for the US. It was a prominent sign of American strength and leadership that has decayed into a series of failures. It costs a ridiculous amount of money to send a space shuttle up and to deploy our many satellites. If we had alien technology, then we could half NASA's budget and accomplish the same goals. We could also cheaply weaponize space like the Pentagon always fantasizes about.
Third, oil. We have a lot of shady alliances worldwide that revolve completely around access to oil. Take Saudi Arabia. We've known for decades that the Saudis are state sponsors of terrorist groups and have spent their money heavily to foment Muslim radicalism. We know that the majority of the 9-11 attackers were Saudis. However, we're still all buddy-buddy with them because of oil. If we weren't dependent on oil, we could pressure the country towards democracy or at least leave it as some sort of backwater of no importance and focus on developing more friendly allies elsewhere.
Take Venezuela. The US government has long thought that the rise of Communism and Socialism in Latin America was to be stopped at all costs -- even to the point of toppling democracies for dictatorships. (I really, really hate this policy, BTW.) Venezuela is the vanguard of a new South American socialism movement, and it only succeeds because the state oil industry can support the entire economy. Guess what country is the number one customer of Venezuela despite our official dislike of Chavez? The US of course.
Take Iran. Right now, our conflict with Iran over nuclear power/weapons is sending oil prices skyrocketting and hurting Americans. If we had free energy, then Iran would have no leverage. If we were smart, we'd give it to the Chinese and the Russians and remove the economic leverage that makes them veto UN resolutions against Iran, Sudan, etc.
Oil blocks a very, very large amount of US foreign policy goals and make us have some goals that are very unsavory. Free energy would not only boost our economy, but it would make many of Washington's dreams possible. To say that we have it and aren't using it is to BLATANTLY IGNORE GEOPOLITICS.
Then again, I don't expect to reach you with facts. For crying out loud, you post a link to a site which goes on about "Illuminati," "The New World Order," and "Chemtrails." If you can offer a RATIONAL explanation of why we have a greater interest in hiding technology than in using it, I'd love to hear it. Bonus points if you can explain why 100 years advanced military technology isn't being used in Iraq right now.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
I think what he was refering to is writing something in the wordpad file then saving it. Then the NASA guy would open it, read it, write a reply and then save the file. He would then open the file, then read it, etc etc etc.
While the guy sounds like a nut case, i would like to point out that a *real* UFO classification only means that its unidentified, not that its a little green man buzzing around. US Military UFOs are not that uncommon. Remember the stealth fighter was classified as a UFO until we knew what it was and no alien tech there. just a lot of hard work from us humans.
Also, if you consider that technically sunlight is 'free' energy, and if you take into account the 'cost' of equipment to harvest it, the basic concept of 'free' energy sources isn't really that odd.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
"Bonus points if you can explain why 100 years advanced military technology isn't being used in Iraq right now."
In all fairness we steamrolled Iraq and have suffered exceedingly low casualties. A low level, extremely unsuccessful, resistance is no indication that we're not using extremely advanced technology.
Though, I think if we had 100 year+ tech, we would have solved the IED sooner.
It seems every so many years this sort of thing happens as a dumbing down of the general population.
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many of the posts here point out the flaws in what this guy presents, but if he really did hack into some classified systems and he is that dumb to not know how to save a screen image....
what is he really saying?
that even a monkey can hack into national security?
Oh wait, didn't some research expose that a monkey was able to hack into the diebold voting machines???
There are alot of people on this planet that know that so called alien life exist, technology more advanced than what we have created exist and even sources of so called free energy, etc. SO WHAT?
The fact of the matter is that is NOT what we are doing with our time here.
here is something else we are not doing, though we have the knowledge, man power and natural resources to do it
and there is nothing hidden about it.
http://www.unesco.org/education/tlsf/theme_a/mod0
since we can't even help ourselves, or don't show a real intent or effort to, then what the fuck useful is it to even acknowledge the existance of such advanced stuff?
unless you just want to insult others.
Perpetual war is better for a government than perpetual peace. No matter if this peace is achived by suppressing everyone outside your country and having the rest of the world work for your country.
Perpetual war has many very attractive features for a country.
First of all, you can silence all dissenters with the question "Do you not support your country? Are you a traitor?"
Second, it keeps people's mind elsewhere. If you have to worry about whether you're going to be bombed today, you don't care that your government is spending tons of money to keep you down while those it favors are bathing in luxury.
Finally, you can (and I guess we've seen that far too many times now) easily impose the most restrictive laws simply by claiming that the war makes it necessary.
I'm not saying that the "super tech" exists. I'm just saying that if it does, using it would be very dumb.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I know. Has the guy not heard of the Print Screen button?
;) But seriously, anti-grav and free energy are blatant clues that he's either lost his marbles or he's a bit low on cash. Maybe his reliance on 56k was making him turn delusional that there would be a better connection in the future...
And yes, this is complete BS. The guy's hand moving over the screen? It doesn't make any sense. I'm also surprised that he wasn't noticed more than once. Even if he was careful about the hours, he had been at it for what, two years?
Another thing, too - free energy? Come on, Mythbusters debunked that one ages ago.
In all fairness we steamrolled Iraq and have suffered exceedingly low casualties. A low level, extremely unsuccessful, resistance is no indication that we're not using extremely advanced technology.
True, but "Shock and Awe" would've been even more awesome with fighter jets that could make 90 degree turns and any sorts of weapons based on free energy technology.
Though, I think if we had 100 year+ tech, we would have solved the IED sooner.
Same here. At the very least, you'd think we'd have done some about the insurgency with those fancy government mind control lasers I keep hearing about.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
Seeing the "hand move across the screen" is probably a reference to seeing a mouse pointer move across. Combine this with the "chat via wordpad" and it's obvious this guy was using PC Anywhere, VNC, Remote Desktop or something to connect. Java clients exist for the first two. So it's likely that users are installing remote access software on government PCs when they should not.
1. Why aren't all these machines behind firewalls? (unless they are honeypots)
2. Why isn't the military limiting software that can be installed on machines with sensitive data?
3. I wonder if he also found Bonzi Buddy installed?
He saw a hand moving across the screen while he was remoted in? He saw a small low-resolution 4-bit image of something hanging in space and knows it's not man-made because he didn't see rivets or seems?
I don't think so.
So, he viewed a 16-color image of a UFO that was "juddering" like a video stream up until someone's hand moved across it while he was hacking?
This guy has to be innocent or lying. There's no way anyone this computer illiterate could've hacked anything unless he had physical console access and a good fire axe.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
... as showing any other nearby cockatoos that he's got a stick, and he's not afraid to use it if they come any closer.
"Our interests are to see if we can't scale it up to something more exciting," he said.
GM: Unlike the press would have you believe, it wasn't very clever. I searched for blank passwords, I wrote a tiny Perl script that tied together other people's programs that search for blank passwords, so you could scan 65,000 machines in just over eight minutes.
Hmm password scanning 65000 machines in 8 mins. Lets see about that shall we...
8125 machines per min
135.5 machines per second
not with his home pc over the public internet he didn't.
Even if he had this so called Perl script running multi threaded there are some physical impossiblities to doing this from your home broadband connection using a pc.
I like things that are sweet and not things that are lame. --
The government is only extriditing him to lend tenuous credence to what he has said. By doing so they neither confirm or deny what he has said, all they are admitting is that he may have hacked their shit.
He says he was using some PC Anywhere type application, but surely there are no externally visible machines which will accept connections from this PC Anywhere type application that also have blank administrator passwords!?
That scenario is surely impossible - so how did he get onto the network?
He's an idiot, what did he think was going to happen.
Valdrax, maybe you forgot about China in your statement... Since im sure 99% of the stuff our military uses to be the old billybadass on the new texas oil frontier says "Made in China" on it.
it sure is crazy how you can mess with the color quality and resolution of an image to make it look like my family picture is really some image a green gelatinous blob that eats people.
Not so crazy if you don't omit the fact that you belong to a family of Blancmanges*! That's it, I'm investing heavily in kilt futures on the Scottish Mercantile Commodity Board first thing when it opens Monday morning.
Only Mr and Mrs Samuel Brainsample can save us now! If they don't act fast, Scotland will be choked with Scotsmen.
*from the planet Skyron in the Galaxy of Andromeda
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
Look at the picture at http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41641000/jpg /_41641102_ufo_203.jpg. So much for being 'clearly not man-made'.
How come the 'spaceship' is crystal clear while the rest of the image is blurred? Clearly Photoshopped... And can Mr McKinnon actually tell us how the 'free energy' works, which he supposedly found documents on? And how can one communicate with Wordpad? And who says it's impossible to take a screencap of a Java application? It's a load of [censored]!
And, what's more, it's completely impossible to have free energy. If anyone can generate free energy, their name can only be God.
And antigrav is hardly alien technology: a late conjencture tells us that some magnets at 80 tesla or above can easily generate antigravity effects. (It's only a conjecture, but as is well known, most physicists are SURE there is a connection between magnetism and gravity.)
(Oh, yeah, and any aliens would have to travel several hundred lightyears to reach us.)
Nice try, McKinnon, but we're not stupid. You're conning gullible people into going against NASA.
Those using pirated Tinysoft signatures(TM) are a real threat to society and should all be thrown in jail.
I am seeing a lot of criticism but you are all looking for holes. Addressing those arguments:
* The "hand moving accross".. he meant the mouse was then controlled by someone viewing the desktop who realized he was remotely controlling.
* [possibly] that same person launched wordpad to type a message knowing he would see it, "who are you? what are you doing?"
* He didn't save anything because he was just discovering it and didn't know what he would be looking at in advance. Then he was cut off.
There is nothing unbelievable about his story unless you are still in denial that the governments are hiding free energy technology and awareness of alien life from the general public. If he has changed his story at all, it is probably because he is now contending with the fact that he may spend the rest of his life in 6'x6' concrete room in the US.
Free Energy is the death blow to the entire class/economic system that keeps most of the world enslaved to 12 families. If we all had access to Free Energy, no one would have to "Earn a Living", we would just live (imagine that). The perfect example is when J.P. Morgan pulled all his funding and effectively shut down Nikola Tesla when he realized Tesla was working on a free energy system. He said (parapharsing possibly) "if it's free to anyone, where do I put the meter?". In a matter of years Wardenclyffe was being dismantled and we know how the rest of the story goes.
Believe it.
A man claims that a foreign power has stuff secretly tucked away which the world should know about and decides, without any ones permission, to after it.
Sounds very familiar to me...
Wake up America.
What goes around comes around...
Even though our military technology can stomp on anyone on the planet, the Pentagon has long argued for increased capabilities against a phantom Chinese threat.
Military spending is the only way the US government can think of to keep the economy running. If they spent that money on actually improving the lot of their citizens they'd be accused of socialism, so it's seemingly better spent by wasting 95% of it and further enriching the already rich with the skim.
oh a modern hacker story
my dads people ended up forming the cia
For me i was glad when my pops had to testify on a department of energy case, and the stenographraper messed up and wrote "kennedy assination, vs association" my pops was proud of that, he went outa his was to point out the mistake,,,,,,so i'm happy now,,,,,now i can say hey my father was in _________ at a department of energy site when kennedy got shot.
Notepad chats? moving hand? and could not even get a screen capture!??
Seems to me like he was just one of those script kiddies looking for fame.
Now that he got more attention than he ever wanted (read... he's in deep s**t now), It's in his best interest to not be considered a terrorist!
I hope the UFO excuse saves him from getting 300 years in prison...
generals in other countries will get really edgy and subversive and even HARDER to control when they realize their collective dicks won't shoot because of a new technology they can barely understand, much less combat?
I'll toss it back at you: the reason you don't see advanced weaponry extremely simple - while everyone still thinks nukes are the worst thing on the block we're all on known turf. The civil, social, and economic impact of the type of fear say.. a device to kill a single person at 1000 miles without a clear line of sight.. would have would ruin the prize that those with power would try and collect! REMEMBER, it's not the world they want, it's the stable economic machine! Of course they dont use that which would cause global panic. Doesn't mean they don't have it.
Please, refute the logic, if you can!
Many of you guys are bashing this guys "technical" skills, or his statements of how the hacking sessions occurred... I think there is a deeper flaw in his argument. Namely this: He is trying to hack into US Gov't computers because they have ALL the Alien secrets....
Now, why would you hack only US computers, and if the US is the only country that knows the secrets, how have we been able to convince the aliens not to crash land any ships any where else in the world where someone else could find them? Are we really to believe that out of some crazy chance the aliens only speak American English? That we are the only ones "smart" enough to figure out alien technology and reverse engineer it?
If there are aliens, and alien technology that is known and understood I see it as a huge statistical improbability that the US would have a monopoly on such. Many other countries have much larger land masses, so a chance "crash landing" (IE Roswell) if such a thing has happened, would probably occur in other nations besides the US as well.
In short for this "conspiracy" to be true, it would have to be a worldwide conspiracy involving at least the US, UK, Japan, Russia, China, the entire EU, basically the entire industrialized world with advanced science programs. Unless just by chance the Roswell incident was the *ONLY* time an alien craft has crashed, and the US just happened to get lucky.
But, even given that, with all the talk in this article of UFOs in satelite photos and such... The US isn't the only country with satelites with cameras on them, we aren't the only country with a space program. Someone else would have pictures. This guy should be bugging the UK to release their satelite photos, and the EU should have to release information from their space program too... It is bizarre to think that the US is the only country that has "happened" upon proof of aliens. Basically the whole UFO/Alien thing is a crap shoot, point a bunch of cameras, radio transmitters, etc at the sky and hope you get something. It is silly to think we are the only ones that have any successful throws in the game.
You will not truly understand until you have accepted the Matrix.
To put it in another frame: There is always more than one conspiracy.
I'm still trying to figure out what people mean by 'social skills' here.
However, we're still all buddy-buddy with them because of oil. If we weren't dependent on oil, we could pressure the country towards democracy or at least leave it as some sort of backwater of no importance and focus on developing more friendly allies elsewhere
I can't help but see a flaw in your reasoning here, whilst it's true that the US govt. does seem to be dependant on oil I wouldn't say that this is evidence that they don't have technology to create energy easily and effectively. There is already the technology needed to generate vast amounts of energy from renewable sources; so there is no NEED for oil anyway (sorry about the capitals -wanted to make the point though)... if we say that it would cost $1 trillion to introduce a radical scheme of wind, wave and solar energy collecting then it would already not cost much more than Iraq. Then there would be no need for oil at all... why won't they do that... maybe the oil companies?
it's worth mentioning that I'm not against the iraq war (so don't flame me), I think that the right thing was done for the wrong reasons, which is to say; getting rid of brutal murderous dictators is always worth while.
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If you can offer a RATIONAL explanation of why we have a greater interest in hiding technology than in using it, I'd love to hear it. Bonus points if you can explain why 100 years advanced military technology isn't being used in Iraq right now.
erm.. because it was all invented by Microsoft Research, and the NASA and DoD guys prefer Linux?
Society is finally realizing the horrible lack of scientific intellect among the population. The term 'free energy' is a turn off for any educated person in the sciences because it exposes that underlying fact that you have no concept of physics and the laws governing the universe. This isn't to say there are not technologies that would provide a substantial output in energy, like nuclear fission, but claiming it is 'free energy' is incorrect and preposterous. Furthermore solar energy is a miss understood concept as well. It is hardly the alternative energy source people claim it to be. Everyone fails to realize the fact that you can only draw so much current at any given point in time. Basically, solar panels don't put out much unless you have huge panels (I know, the tech is coming along, the company Nanosolar has made some nice advancements). Then if one wishes to store this energy you need some form of battery. This argument assumes we have all accepted the initial premise of each individual having their own set of solar panels. The scenario would be different if there was a power company with a grid of these things distributing the energy much like today. However my current premise is the argument I hear most often, so I will stay with it. With today's current technology this battery is very liking going to be a lead acid one, in which case would continue the 'environmental problems' because they must be thrown away every so often. Image all the landfills filled with these things, the environmentalist would eventually start screaming for the death of solar power realizing their original false premise. The whole point of this rant is for everyone to think a little before they buy into conspiracy theorist; use your mind and have a little faith in science. Yes, there are the possibilities of great advancements, but the conspiracy theorists have largely turned off the general public due to their inability to comprehend basic science. Note, this is one scenario of solar power; there are actually a few good applications for it. I needed a devils advocate point :) But certainly solar power is no holy grail; nuclear power is far cleaner and more effective. Look up advanced liquid metal reactor (ALMR) this is one promising alternative that could change people's minds about nuclear energy.
Maybe the oil problems are artificially created supply and demand economies designed to consume or use up the energy reserves . . . and at the same time make a buck off of it. Think about this. We don't drill for oil on U.S. soil except in backwater places like the Arctic wildlife refuge. And there isn't enough oil there to keep us rolling for more than a month. We use resources of other countries and make them dependent upon our flow of cash. At the same time we create a supply and demand oil economy which is currently the money machine which is responsible for the majority of money velocity around the world. All the while, we consume it, they supply it, we pay them, and when we get done, they got nothing but some money . . . Destabilize the country a bit, and their currency value goes in the shitter. They are all muslim countries with a bunch of ill behaved, power hungry folk in them . . . so there will be civil war. We swoop in and build a democracy over the failed previous government. Badda-bing Badda-bang . . . American emperialism is still moving forward in the name of democracy and capitalism. It accomplishes the same task . . . and you can't go to war over an idea . . . right!!
Leaving conspiracy theories aside for a second, isn't it just as interesting and worth commenting on that several American military administrator users that are accessible over the internet aren't password protected, or that the same government is trying to throw this person in jail for sixty years for using these accounts, double what you'd get in the UK (the hacker's own country) for murder?
How do you think that a claim that Saudis fund terrorist groups is a relevant part of this argument when the CIA have admitted training Al-Qaeda (initially to fight the Russians)? If the Americans are friends with people who fund terrorists, maybe that's because they have something like this in common
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although i respect your reply and you're right that i was off topic (and they do have that sort of weapon i'm afraid, they use it for cell phone towers and navy sonar among other things - time reversal phase adjucate mirror i think it's called..)
do you think that free energy *wouldn't*, if immeditaely introduced, beget massive geopolitcal upheaval? Same argument, methinks - just having a technology doesn't mean it's introduction couldn't have dire (to someone anyway) effects. As matter of fact..
of course it does!
That's why it might be totally logical to hide "fusion in a can".. i mean how would all those poor pepco workers survive then! I jest, but you must recoginize that it's NOT in the best interestes of everybody to introduce that sort of tech blantaly - if at all - until certain financial incentives have either dwindled or swindled away.
I sincerely doubt that if 'free' energy were indeed discovered by a DOD project, that it would be hushed IMMEDIATELY. ever read any Larry Niven? THink the ARM.. and dont think we lack such a organization - indeed it's leaks like this one (if verified) that would demand their strongest possible response on a free and fast moving internet..
guess what it is...
character assanation. the only thing they CAN do, the type that has gone on here today, with certain seeds to get it going.
How much do i believe the above? 50/50
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The CIA never trained the Taliban/AlQaeda in Afganistan. That is a myth.
Al Qaeda didn't exist -not as 'Al Qaeda' anyways- at the time. Neither did the Taliban.
There were two groups fighting the russians at the time. One was constructed mainly of foreigners, which later became the Taliban. The other was constructed mainly of local fighters, which later became the Northern Alliance.
The CIA funneled money and other help to the local fighter groups.
Yes, technological fantasies. It spent millions during the Cold War looking into remote viewing - a posh name for psychics. On a programme on the Discovery channel they did an experiment to test this - using a game of Battleships. The person who was just choosing squares at random was doing FAR much better than the guy who claimed to be psychic. But it's still utter rubbish.
Those using pirated Tinysoft signatures(TM) are a real threat to society and should all be thrown in jail.
There are a number of sources of fuel that the US could use. However:
1) The democrats voted against new drilling (ANWR, etc). This may have saved some pristine parts of the environment, but, it does stop us from getting anything new domestically.
2) "Wind farms" got voted down as well. So no using wind power for electricity. I guess the problem with coastal wind farms is that a lot of senators (John Kerry, Ted Kennedy) are rich and have huge mansions on the coastlines. Their view would be ruined. While Kerry and Kennedy are generally somewhat environmental-friendly with their votes, when it came time to make the hard decision, they weren't going to put a power plant in their own back yard. The Not In My Back Yard (NIMBY) group really puts a crimp in the idea that you can put a coastal wind farm somewhere, since the group with the most political power (the rich) has the most to lose.
3) Nuclear histeria always blocks any attempts to create a new reactor. You could declare that you reactor would be 3 miles below the surface 100 miles away from any town in the middle of a desert and there would be protests that would kill your approval bill.
So, we won't get new oil, and we won't get new sources. ok...
From these, we are left with the following this summer:
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I don't belive this guy.
Bonus points if you can explain why 100 years advanced military technology isn't being used in Iraq right now.
If enemies of the U.S. knew it existed, they would work on developing the same technology. Or, it could fall into enemy hands. It's easier to copy something than it is to create it. I'm not saying that such technology exists, but there is a clear rationale for not using it for "mundane" conflicts. If someone else develops a "super weapon," we still have something to come back with.
The guy has to pretend being a wacko in order to get a smaller sentence. Remember he risks up to 60 years in prison, after all.
He can't claim temporary instanity, since he did that for years. So he INDIRECTLY claims perpetuum wackiness (TM), of a kind that will provoque smiles and with the jurors / the judge.
He wasn't looking for UFOs, he isn't into free energy from out there. He is just building the best legal defense he can, given the circumstances.
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There is nothing unbelievable about his story unless you are still in denial that the governments are hiding free energy technology and awareness of alien life from the general public.
riiight.
I'm the one that's in denial.
But suppose the technology was something that we were unable to counter? The danger of it falling into the wrong hands might be greater than the benefit of deploying it.
That said, I think this is 100% grade A bullshit, but I don't think the idea of something being too powerful to even show to the enemy is completely implausible.
You're only ereet if you connect to NASA with a payphone!
Zacarias Moussaoui got a a life term for conspirating and killing thousands of innocent, he'll live around forty more years. Gary McKinnon gets a life-ending 60. What makes me question is not his audacity (but i'd like to call that a not-so-easily pardonable mischief) but the sentencing procedures of the US constitution. Anyways, Gary does hae a cool composure for almost a murder convict.
You've obviously never read up on the kind of technological fantasies the US military has. Despite your BOLD STATEMENTS that EMPHATICALLY use CAPITALIZED WORDS which make me DOUBT YOUR SANITY, the US military is completely and totally incapable of understanding the words "good enough." Even though our military technology can stomp on anyone on the planet, the Pentagon has long argued for increased capabilities against a phantom Chinese threat. They conjure up the image of China suddenly having tech on par with ours in 10-20 years as a boogeyman to justify bigger and fatter budgets for more powerful weapons.
I emphazied a bit. Now, a quite pause while it slowly sinks in...
Mod up for truth value.
Many people are missing the point here. This needs clarification now. Whenever you say 'Free Energy' all the physicists take out their sliderules and explain that there is no such thing. They are correct. If I change the course of an object in motion, there is energy expended or a 'cost' to do so. But lets just say that the way energy is created and utilized currently on our planet is incredibly inefficient. With me? And lets say that there are people directing the current energy creation/consumption model and a host of un/related ones, that are quite intentionally keeping it so. It keeps them in power and us in serfdom. You think you are free? Stop going to your job everyday and see what happens. Still with me? Good. Now lets say that suddenly everyone had the knowledge and ability to be completly self-sufficient in every conceivable way. Those people who just had the most profitable quarter ever, would not be at the top anymore. This is quite clear isn't it? How much of peoples life is spent fulfilling their dreams and expanding their awareness? How much is spent making the rent, paying bills or being incarcerated?
Perhaps a better term would be Freely Available Energy. That's the concept here. Until that day arrives, there will always be domination, exploitation and war. You see that now.
Believe it.
Two different things. We were funding the Afghan guerillas to kill the Red Army, not to propagate fundamentalist Islam. Saudi Arabia has spent huge amounts of money to promote their very conservative version of Islam. Both actions indirectly helped al-Queda, but that wasn't the goal.
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...will be the last to know what to do about it when it happens. Cranks and Nuts.. how about Science Fiction? It isn't *entertainment*, it's risk-assessment! and i'm not kidding.
But please, be unaware that the world holds no greater mystery then why your parents had you. It wasn't so you could make an insightful post..
You really have no clue how the world works, do you? Christ, you don't even have a clue how simple games work.
Here's a hint: A country that stops technological development, especially of the means of warfare, is quickly doomed. Why?
NO OTHER COUNTRY IS GOING TO STOP RESEARCHING NEW ARMAMENTS!
The US has either the choice of saying, "Well, good enough." and ending up on the bottom of the crazy ass soldiers with freakin' laser beams food chain in a few decades, or they keep 'wasting' money and remain able to defend themselves by virtue of remaining on top, technologically.
But I'm confident that the Bush administration is ready for him. This is an outfit that knows fruitcakery inside and out. I predict that if necessary, they will bring back John Ashcroft to deal with this Al Queda supporting, pro-Venezualan, evolutionist, super-hacker scum. Let me assure you -- one does not out fruitcake John Ashcroft.
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Nobody seems to have mentioned it, but US government policy has always been that classified information is not allowed on computers that are connected to unsecured networks -- especially, but not limited to, the Internet. This means that all the purported UFO stuff McKinnon purportedly found must be unclassified. Which means that those posters who feel it really exists should be able to go after it with a Freedom Of Information Act lawsuit. If anyone does so, by all means let us know what you turn up.
You can't see ANYTHING from a car, You've got to get out of the goddamned contraption and walk...Edward Abbey
"We need to secure our border between Mexico." Secure your network! dammit!
I can't wait until the feds have every American's personal information in the national id database. You'll probably be able to access it with a web browser... no username... password: "password"
I've never met a hacker unable to grab an image- be it from cache or screenshot.
Ok. You are on a VNC connection to your bosses computer from your home dialup after you installed it the other day when he wasn't looking. While digging through his my pictures folder, you see him and a donkey in a very comprimising position.
You are shocked... But then you noticed the mouse cursor move to the bottom right hand corner of screen and right click the VNC icon and end program.
Now, if you forgot to to hit print screen before the VNC Session closed... Can you get that image back?
No amount of hitting print screen now will get the image back... Nor does VNC have any type of cache or location in memory now.
I'm not saying he's right, but if the Java client was anything like VNC then its plausible.
"I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
-Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
Not guilty by reason of insanity!
What are you doing now, you lazy drunken obscene unsayable son of an unnameable gipsy obscenity?
Even though our military technology can stomp on anyone on the planet, the Pentagon has long argued for increased capabilities against a phantom Chinese threat.
I think the guy in the article is less than credible, but your argument doesn't make sense to me.
The Air Force kept the SR-71 and F-117 secret for years, even as they were building less advanced aircraft for most of their work. Furthermore, if they *had* stumbled onto something truly amazing - antigravity, photon torpedos, alchemy, a Fry's employee who knows what a BNC connector is, etc. - that they wanted to keep secret in that way, they would *have* to keep the number of people involved low to avoid leaks. Less staff means it would take longer to develop properly. So, like the SR-71, there would be a tiny handful of people working on it, it would take years to develop and stay secret for decades afterwards, and it would be used on a very limited and small-scale basis.
Personally, I find it incredibly unlikely that anyone on Earth has alien technology. On the other hand, I don't put it past the US government to have made physics and engineering breakthroughs that they're keeping quiet. I grew up in an area with lots of Boeing employees, and there were constantly rumours spreading of AI-piloted Cessnas, prototype laser weapons, and antigravity. Most or all of it was probably fiction, but if that many people were working on secret military projects, some of them had to be pretty impressive.
"...always new atoms but always doing the same dance, remembering what the dance was yesterday." -Richard Feynman
The international wealthy have their wealth invested in the current petroleum based economy. If there really is a viable new technology, or one comes around, they would do everything they can to prevent it from getting a foothold and stopping the profit from the petroleum economy.
Yeah, yeah, and the oil industry is hiding the 100 MPG carburetor and a car that can run on water.
You know what? A little over 100 years ago, all the weatlhiest Americans and international investors had their money invested in railroads and related industries. The railroad was obsoleted for travel and for light shipping by the automobile and the airplane. The descendents of the people who were rich back then are still rich now.
I don't buy the argument that the oil companies could prevent such technology from being found out about or that their investors would be all that interested in stopping it instead of getting all their money into it first or at least into other lucrative industries. Why do you think Bill Gates diversified his portfolio years ago?
We've had many Presidents who were boosters of the space program or at least of our ICBM program during the Cold War. Had we a cheap way of getting to space based on alien technology, then why the hell would we waste all that money on chemical rockets when the life of the nation was on the line in nuclear detente? We could've dominated space over the Soviet Union with a fleet of craft, knocked nukes out of orbit on launch, and pretty much won the Cold War as a conventional war without all of the fuss.
Face it, Occam's Razor demands that the most simple explanation (that we don't have the technology) should be listened to over the theory that we have all the technology but the world hasn't been shaped by it because of a coalltion of people working for interests that don't match the public interests they should have.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
They're surpressing Free Energy because it doesn't exist! (This message brought to you by your local electric company)
Mod me down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
Hack into military systems. Sell your findings. Become rich or if you work for some government become important and successful. But what if you get caught?
One way is - make stories. Make many BS stories which no one would believe but it will divert their mind. Act lunatic, and they start thinking you are not a serious threat. Say you were not looking for nuke formulas or missile tech, only wanted to see some UFOs, ZPE, ghosts, fairies, monsters that they were 'hiding'. They will be relaxed and perhaps let you go.
Tell them you used superhacker perl scripts and old java code and you dont know how to save images and they start thinking you are not even a hacker, not even a script kid.
Tell them you could only find windows PCs with no passwords set and did not touch mainframes. They may stop doubting that you hacked their 'important' stuff. Tell them anything that you can think of which will make you look unimportant, funny, idiot and non-serious. They will treat you lightly.
In short, he is doing what he can to save himself !
God created man in his own image, but somehow he evolved into a hairless monkey.
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So both sides were helping the terrorists to acieve the aims of the government? Just because the aims were different doesn't mean that the action was different. I believe in deversity aroud the world, so of course different governments will have different aims and ambitions, but getting terrorists to fulfil them seems just as bad whatever you ask them to do
Good luck sometimes arrives disguised as bad
Didnt the oil companies just make the biggest profits ever?
Ummm, who is it owns the american oil companies?
If technology exists which means cheap power could be easily be generated by individuals, wouldn't they be the losers.
You and I as individuals have every reason to wish that energy was cheaper. The people who profit from our consuming it have every reason to supress it.
Such tricks may be efficient when applied against little kids in schools, but government agencies cannot assume the risk to let one go just because he seems to be a fool [i.e. this guy acts like a fool just to get the three-letter-agencies off his tail]. Come on, in the real world things are "triple-checked several times".
There probably are logs that say that somebody has indeed gained access to sensitive data, and that 'someone' is this guy, so they're after him.
"Doubt anything that can be doubted", I think this is a basic principle of any government agency. So even if they had no proof of the fact that he did something, they should still pay attention.
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Why do they use Windows 3000 as a prison guard? Because it always locks up.
;^)
So I take it that you've been hanging-out with John Titor?
Oh, and you forgot to mention how Elvis being 71 years old gives him a tactical advantage. Who wants to beat up the old guy looking through a file cabinet?
It is possible that he has modified his eyebrows to make himself look insane. He looks like a loony elf.
I just want to point out that as long as america remains an economic superpower which a relatively high populaton density they will always be a net importer of energy and other commodities, and this asymetry will most likely drive politics in the countries which are their main suppliers.
While I agree with most of your points I think that the USA is in the world market whether they like it or not. If it wasn't saudi arabia it would be somebody else.
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There are some people who just like throwing a wrench into the works whenever possible. The example I saw that made me laugh most of the day was when I happened to drive by West Coast Choppers (yes, the one on the Discovery Channel) and he had the front windows of the shop painted as follows:
(skull with Santa hat) SANTA IS FAKE!
I'm sure there were a lot of parents with a lot of 'splaining to do on that one.
My point is that there are going to be people who are unwilling to play along -- so the only way to make them play along is to either keep them completely in the dark, silence them, or fool them. It may be a very small minority, but it's enough to stir up shit at inopportune moments.
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How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
Bonus points if you can explain why 100 years advanced military technology isn't being used in Iraq right now.
The Northrup Grumman B-2 bomber which contains bits of this technology is not being used in Iraq right now because it has already served its purpose there.
... there's no proof of him *NOT* existing. Ah ha! So... Can you prove without a shadow of a doubt that Santa truely doesn't exist? Huh? Huh? Who sent you? You're with *them* aren't you? On the payroll to dismantle the so-called Santa 'myths' huh? Your mind tricks won't work on me... I've a friend who was *abducted* by Santa and he knows you're all just part of the big cover up!
Mind the frickin' laser...
It seems that the media of most countries champion the deeds of its "hackers", even when they aren't worth championing, in a manner akin to boosting sports teams, etc. In this case the Brit media wants the world to believe that the UK harbours uber-genius computer hackers, when in fact they've just interviewed some no-nothing dick with a 'Hacking for Dummies' book balanced on his lap.
Here in New Zealand the same thing happens: a few years ago an employee of one of the country's largest ISPs shared his staff login with his little brother. The little brother then shared it with one of his little friends, who then promptly logged in and randomly began deleting stuff, including many customer websites. Just another clueless n00b, yet the local media feted him as an 'unstoppable and deadly genius hacker'.
Unfortunately the media know that they are lying to an audience willing to be lied to, since the unwashed masses thrill to hear that they have dangerous evil geniuses amongst them.
The problem with our deoendancy on oil is not stricly as an energy source. We require large amounts of oil to produce the bulk of consumer items. To produce everything from medicine to plastic to cosmetics petrochemicals are used. Even if the US were to completly switch over to an alternative fuel source, it would still oil to produce a vast majority of products.
That sounds like a Perfectly Normal explanation to me.
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In this article he claims the information he found was the 'disclosure project'. This is not a secret NASA project, it is a hoax/nutjob group with thier own webpage Disclosure Project Everything this guy is saying is from the disclosure project.
Has slashdot completely jumped the shark? Not just the editors, but the readers as well. People actually makeing serious comments about some guy claiming the disclosure project is a secret nasa project?
Here is the bottom line, the US Government does not keep its super secret UFO coverup evidence on an unclassified machine running remoteanywhere, sorry.
Prior to this interview going back a few months to when the story originally broke about hime, some of the newspapers in the UK have mentioned that this McKinnon guy is a schizophrenic.
:p
I think that is a pretty decent explanation
Not to be pendantic, but for this sentence to be correct, NASA would have to be part of the US Military. It is not.
Halleluja!
I only hope the Opus Dei doesn't get to you. Those bastards are holding Elvis! But don't worry. With the Integritron that we reverse engineered from the Area 51 crash, we should be able to free him and you.
Keep the faith, man.
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We're talking about the UK here! They still think digital watches are high tech. Dial-up internet access via an Acorn computer is Da Bomb.
Isn't this a Digg story?
The laws of physics and your own common sense can help you judge what is true and what is false information.
Yeah. I have some laws of physics for you. They are called the three laws of thermodynamics:
1. (Energy is conserved... ) You can't win
2. (Entropy always increases...) You can't break even
3. You can't get out of the game
In other words a "free energy" machine is impossible. Applying these fundamental laws you get that you will get less useful energy out of a machine than you put in, but always the same amount of energy going in will come out. Never more, never less. Free energy is a farce.
If I was the inventor of a fabulous free energy device I know I'd have to destroy it and hide the idea. The reason - crazy americans with big weapons. Forget anti satelite lasers - we'd end up with ev1 having bombs big enough to blow the galaxy up ... (well thats what free energy implies isn't it?.. limitless free energy?).
I'm under the impression that the "UFO culture" doesn't exist in most other countries. They might believe in ghosts, but that's quite a bit different... Then again, if extraterrestial lifeforms did exist, the US would probably stand out in the same way algae stands out on a pond.
...At most, I think this guy "hacked" his way into a PR honeypot...
Regardless, if we are looking up at the stars, then it means we are not reading the newspaper nor watching the news. I invite all to consider the previous sentence carefully.
J.P. Morgan pulled all his funding and effectively shut down Nikola Tesla
Though Tesla was intelligent, he was also wasn't the most honest. I recall reading a book that described his inventions. Many were notable. Some were not -- like the time he tricked someone into thinking a Galvanometer was a "Death Ray". He did something like use it as collateral to get a loan and flee with the money...
Free Energy won't solve all our problems....
Where are the minerals going to come from?
What about the materials for plastics, medicines?
What about drinking water?
Yes, free energy would *ease* many of our problems, but it won't solve them... In fact it would likely accelerate our own demise. (How fast can one mine rock with an unlimited supply of energy?) There is still only a finite amount of suitable rock. Most people can't afford to wait millions of years for new stuff to form.
And if the energy supply isn't unlimited, then it won't be free. Economics is founded on this concept.
We almost already have free energy -- its called the Sun. Unfortunately, utilizing it requires materials that are in finite supply (finite over short time durations). Thus it isn't very free to us.
So, who shot Kennedy? ;)
Don't Vote for Norm Dicks! http://www.nodicks2008.com Another nutless dirtbag that voted for the FISA bill!
Please see "Declaration of Principles Concerning Activities Following the Detection of Extraterrestrial Intelligence" on SETI website. http://www.seti.org/site/pp.asp?c=ktJ2J9MMIsE&b=17 9287
They have outlined a nine step program/protocol. Step 2 says "The discoverer should inform his/her or its relevant national authorities." Interestingly in Step 9 it says "Should credible evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence be discovered, an international committee of scientists and other experts should be established to serve as a focal point for continuing analysis of all observational evidence collected in the aftermath of the discovery, and also to provide advice on the release of information to the public."
In essence, whole list of people have to approve before any information can be made public.
So nobody can keep a secret?
Recall the Mars meteor ALH84001? Stanford University folks played a big part in researching it. After research of about two years, they claimed that micro-fossils were apparently discovered in that meteor. Interesting thing is that the Stanford lead scientist did not even tell his family that he was doing this research! After research was finished, White House apprently reviewed this result for two or three weeks before agreeing that it could be released to public. Mind you, this was for an apparent microfossil that may have existed about 4 billion years ago.
If there is so much secrecy for apparent micro-fossil, what do think may happen if "they" detected "green men" zipping around in UFOs? Even openly published protocols like SETI's say that detection needs to be kept secret, till proper clearance is obtained. Yet many people blissfully seem to assume that any detection will be on evening TV news.
Cars that can run on water? This is really not as far fetched as you may think. Between hydrogen and the variety of desktop fusion possibilities such as sono-fusion, using water is likely a real possibility. Do you buy that if you tried to enter into a major U.S. market with cocaine that you wouldn't be quickly eliminated by the monopolies that control such contraband? Do you realize how amazingly much more money there is in oil than cocaine? Do you think, even for a second, that these monopolies will not protect their markets with as much prejudice as the drug lords protect theirs? Grow up. First, I think we don't have to invoke the alien card because it is much more likely that advanced technologies of these kinds are quite terrestrial in origin, just ahead of the visible curve. As far as the white space program, it has long been postulated that it exists as cover for the black space program. The way this works is simple - the funds appropriated by nasa are funneled to the various contractors who themselves work on both the white cover project and the black underproject. The money trail is completely auditable, just laughingly (or shockingly) expensive. The expense is not due to corruption (or at least mostly not), it is due to the fact that two things are being payed for at once.
From here, we go into deep tinfoil hat territory. Most people are not comfortable navigating that terrain, so I will stop. But you should carefully consider the amount spent on Nasa in the last 40 years and the visible results. It is a bit difficult to believe that any organization could be THAT inefficient. And Nasa is just one of thousands of ways to pay for such things.
Remember, we are potentially talking about technology that would radically change the face of warfare, possibly even moreso than the advent of nuclear weapons. Of course, any government with such technology would have a demented paranoid need to keep even the existence of such things secret for fear that adversaries would know which direction to direct their research. Occum's Razor has no place in analysis of monopolies and paranoid warmongering governments. In both of those scenarios, the need to keep secrets and force your will on others is paramount.
It is your personal duty to fight for what is right on a daily basis. Ignoring injustice is identical to approving
I could see a capitalist government trying to hide a technology like "free energy". Think about how it would work, and then realize that nobody could make a profit off of it. People that fix your plumbing/AC/refrigerator would also fix your "free energy generator". They would make a little more money. Everybody else would go broke - anyone working with oil/hydroelectric/nuclear/wind power. Trillions of dollars tied to traditional energy would be down the drain. Cars would have much fewer moving parts and therefore would last 30 years instead of the standard 5(maybe 10) years we get out of current new cars. Many other possible impacts, but few would result in anything other than a global economic depression.
Then, I just remembered that I read a few articles on how "antimatter weapons" could be many times more powerful (and compact) than current nukes. As I recall(faintly), the only problem with this was that they required a vast amount of energy to work - like all the US powerplants working together for ten years to make one bomb.
Combining these two "technologies", a person working in their garage could make a weapon that could easily level a major city. They would not need any extraordinary materials/training, just a jolly-roger type of bomb-cookbook. Imagine if the 9/11 hijackers had access to this. The US would just be a crater right now.
With that being said, I like the idea of thermodynamics a lot better. Even if free energy DID exist, we'd be better off without it.
He will die with a whimper in prison. I hope he gets raped to death.
While everything you said is fairly accurate there is the fact that oil is useful for other things besides being burned. It's most useful when used to make things: plastics, pharamceuticals, fertilizers, etc etc etc. If I were a government that had access to free energy I would still want oil...and to deny oil to my enemys.
Back in the '70s, there was one level above Top Secret/Codeword, that was related to NRO projects' data. Am unaware if those classifications still exist....
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it certainly seems unlikely that all of these high security computers would have no passwords on vnc or whatever remote desktop he seemed to be using, also that they would even be directly connected and not behind some firewall..
;) i mean, say your in that office and one of the computers suddenly starts pulling up UFO pictures all by itself ;) id run over and turn it off right away too ;)
also hes remote desktopping with dialup?
although if all of that WAS true it would certainly explain why someone wouldve closed down the computer he was viewing UFO pics on
there is so much evidence of E.T.s and UFOs both now, and in the past, and even 'prehistoric' evidence that for our government to ignore it and refuse to publicly investigate any of it leads me to believe they are either secretly investigating it or secretly know all about it
I call BS. Do you know how much it costs to feed, clothe, house, transport, train, pay, and provide medical care for a single U.S. soldier? Certainly more than $200k. If the military had access to $200k suits of invincibility, they'd equip every single soldier going into battle.
economics. Can't you people think?
Has it occurred to you that preserving the staus quo--the political, economic and social order carefully maintained for the past thousand years--is more important to those in power than "competition" from China's military? In what way has the US ever been at a disadvantage militarily from another country? You claim to have logic on your side, but in my humble opinion it is far more logical for these bastards to pretend there are no such advanced technologies simply because they haven't figured out how to maintain their stranglehold on humankind in a post energy cartel society and they'd like to squeeze the golden goose as long as they possibly can. Also, Sir Logician, has the US never engaged in disinformation? Is it impossible that they might be promoting that illuminati crap so as to make the fools who repeat it seem even more foolish? Why, O Logical One, do you give them benefit of your doubt? You wouldn't have your own political axe to grind, now would you?