Luckily I commented on you so that I am not tempted to mod you overrated. Wether you call BSD dead or not, I don't care, I just use what works the best for me, sometimes it is windows sometimes it is Mac other times it is bsd. I tried linux but I am more experienced with BSD's.
Microsoft is like oil (in more then one perspective). Sooner or later you have to shift to other resources. Just say that I believe it will be sooner then later. But if you still want to buy oil for your long term investment, be my guest.
Well for starters, you pay big money When you finaly realize that you're vendor locked-in, have payed too much money for bug infested, non-working, illogical constructed program with helpdesk support that sucks. You also realize that the only one to blame is yourself. So to keep your ass from getting fired, you write a memo to come to the conclusion that paying for not knowing how (non)functional your software is better than having the choice of supporting software-houses working on _your_ software.
I wanted to use Linux(*) for my project but there weren't drivers for my hardware yet (some in beta some in alpha). Windows simply has more applications then Linux. It is a vicious circle. The more drivers/application, the more popular, the more popular - the more drivers/application for it...
I don't understand your arguments, are you just arguing to be right, no matter if it reflects current acceptable reality or not? Because your original arguments and the one you are using above do not complement each other, but if you want to say hey I'm right no matter what, well heads off then you are as right as you can be, well at least for your world.
However I do realise that there are other costs then license costs, but why don't you realize that these costs are independent of the platform?
And yes for equally trained people setting up an integrated (mail/web)environment in MS,Solaris, BSD or Linux is the same effort.
"""Because people like you don't realize that something that's "free" can cost a small fortune? That the managers realize that they have to pay someone to install the free software, pay someone to manage and maintain the free software. Pay someone to use the free software."""
Last time I checked, MS billed me for about $350 for a couple of support calls (which I didn't have to pay because it was a bug after all). I'm bloody well payed for installing MS software at my work, there is no difference with open-source. My co-workers get the same amount of money payed whether they are doing nothing with openoffice or nothing with MS-Office, there productivity for 99% of the time is the same.
You are using arguments that hold up for both side because in software, there is not much difference when the functionality is the same.
For all the other arguments you gave, have you ever wonderd that it is hard to find good personal, well it is not hard, you just have to pay for what you want, people want to get payed for there time. Software doesn't want to get payed, the people who make it might, but they already have spend their time on it and perhaps have already been payed.
About setting up ADS, yeah well I bet that most of your AD can be read anonymous, even when it's not needed.
Maybe you forget that when getting training, you learn a basic skillset which you have to expand by yourself.
TCO is like a company logo, for most companies they are not the same.
Of course it's targeted at managers, these are the only kind of people that can be convinced that somethinge essential free cost more then something what you have to buy.
And don't come with the training bs, training is a mandatory if it is buy-ware or not.You can be cheap and not train your personal or expect they train them self, but don't whine when they make un-educated decissions like not preferring open source when its a viable candidate.
"but I can say that Linux VServers beats the hell out of FreeBSD jails"
Of course you can say that;-) but I was wondering if you could give a bit more insights on why that is, I have only minimal knowledge of both jail system but on what I read I think the concept is the same, what am I missing?
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Remember, statistically, half of the people you meet are below average.
Yes but it was a double edgec sword, the other party had to remove all BSD code from unix too, no wonder they settled, he!
Ever heard of winternals or their freeware counterpart sysinternals?
Well calling most of these rocks and dunes "Anonymous Coward" is perhaps not the smartest thing to do :-)
May I suggest you tell Apple that "MacOS X is not Unix"?
According to you tf Apple site:
"Beneath the surface of Mac OS X lies an industrial-strength UNIX foundation..."
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/
Luckily I commented on you so that I am not tempted to mod you overrated.
Wether you call BSD dead or not, I don't care, I just use what works the best for me, sometimes it is windows sometimes it is Mac other times it is bsd. I tried linux but I am more experienced with BSD's.
"To make it feel flat, the sphere has to be huge."
Or flexible but not to flexible to feel the individual balls of the rolling underground.
Microsoft is like oil (in more then one perspective). Sooner or later you have to shift to other resources. Just say that I believe it will be sooner then later. But if you still want to buy oil for your long term investment, be my guest.
Well for starters, you pay big money
When you finaly realize that you're vendor locked-in, have payed too much money for bug infested, non-working, illogical constructed program with helpdesk support that sucks.
You also realize that the only one to blame is yourself. So to keep your ass from getting fired, you write a memo to come to the conclusion that paying for not knowing how (non)functional your software is better than having the choice of supporting software-houses working on _your_ software.
Well if you can spare some money to buy some long term put options, this would be the time, also buying some stock of AMD & Apple's won't hurt either.
"got"? I think you ment "had" :-)
Not only could, the Fire v20z and 2003 is one of the most stable combinations in the entry class I've seen.
You almost make it sound like the db is designed to handle vast amount of data! Surely that cannot be true? :-)
I wanted to use Linux(*) for my project but there weren't drivers for my hardware yet (some in beta some in alpha). Windows simply has more applications then Linux. It is a vicious circle. The more drivers/application, the more popular, the more popular - the more drivers/application for it...
* or Free/Net/Open/DragonFly-BSD
here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostgreSQL
That's what the man (OP) sad
It was the biggest fart in the universe, that's what is it.
Well then this indeed boils down to the difference in our view point, the stupid thing is that we could be both right, depending on the situation :-)
I don't understand your arguments, are you just arguing to be right, no matter if it reflects current acceptable reality or not? Because your original arguments and the one you are using above do not complement each other, but if you want to say hey I'm right no matter what, well heads off then you are as right as you can be, well at least for your world.
However I do realise that there are other costs then license costs, but why don't you realize that these costs are independent of the platform?
And yes for equally trained people setting up an integrated (mail/web)environment in MS,Solaris, BSD or Linux is the same effort.
"""Because people like you don't realize that something that's "free" can cost a small fortune? That the managers realize that they have to pay someone to install the free software, pay someone to manage and maintain the free software. Pay someone to use the free software."""
Last time I checked, MS billed me for about $350 for a couple of support calls (which I didn't have to pay because it was a bug after all).
I'm bloody well payed for installing MS software at my work, there is no difference with open-source.
My co-workers get the same amount of money payed whether they are doing nothing with openoffice or nothing with MS-Office, there productivity for 99% of the time is the same.
You are using arguments that hold up for both side because in software, there is not much difference when the functionality is the same.
For all the other arguments you gave, have you ever wonderd that it is hard to find good personal, well it is not hard, you just have to pay for what you want, people want to get payed for there time.
Software doesn't want to get payed, the people who make it might, but they already have spend their time on it and perhaps have already been payed.
About setting up ADS, yeah well I bet that most of your AD can be read anonymous, even when it's not needed.
Maybe you forget that when getting training, you learn a basic skillset which you have to expand by yourself.
TCO is like a company logo, for most companies they are not the same.
Of course it's targeted at managers, these are the only kind of people that can be convinced that somethinge essential free cost more then something what you have to buy.
And don't come with the training bs, training is a mandatory if it is buy-ware or not.You can be cheap and not train your personal or expect they train them self, but don't whine when they make un-educated decissions like not preferring open source when its a viable candidate.
No, Soldier....
Well kids learn alot stuff from TV most of it is not educational and some even dangerous for young un-educated minds.
"but I can say that Linux VServers beats the hell out of FreeBSD jails"
;-) but I was wondering if you could give a bit more insights on why that is, I have only minimal knowledge of both jail system but on what I read I think the concept is the same, what am I missing?
Of course you can say that
You ment:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100802/
?
Well?