Yes. Or do you not think releasing authentication info of thousand accounts is considered damage? Or DDoSing systems, causing outages?
Sure, they exposed security flaws. However, instead of informing the companies of the flaws and helping fix them, or even releasing proof you broke into the systems without release the full account data, they chose to troll everyone "for the lulz" by releasing full account data to the public. That's where most of us have the problem with what they were doing and don't think they should be granted leniency.
Lifetime sentence? No, not lifetime. I'm sure there's a law on the book that will determine the length of the sentence... multiplied by the number of attacks. Not sure about how UK law works, but this poor guy may also be subject to civil suits as a result of the aforementioned damages.
I personally think they're going to throw the book at him, then offer him a plea deal to give up someone farther up the chain of command. From what I'm reading, this sounds like he was just the PR guy. He's probably in for a world of hurt that's a lot more than he was expecting for just being associated with the group as their voice.
That's generally how it works. Pick up the weak link, and try to get him to roll on the someone up the chain.
If he does, go get that person, and repeat the process.
The Newegg commercial was in TFA. No mention of a squad to be seen or heard. While the commercial itself was a parody (generic kid in a blue polo shirt appearing uninformed about the difference between 2 laptops), the use of geek is literally the tag line "Take it from a geek." Seems more like a slam dunk for Newegg after watching the commercial if BB is solely going after the use of "geek."
It's probably a joke from the 1994 riot where the Canucks lost in the Stanley Cup finals. Not a very good track record for them taking a championship loss up there...
The graphics card supposedly can support up to 4 simultaneous video streams. It's not far fetched when you think about the resolution of the TV and the WiiPad itself (obligatory xkcd). So I don't think there'll be degradation in video quality when both are in use. If this is true, it also makes you wonder why they're limited the number of Wii-Pads to 1 (they're looking into using 2 on the same system).
What I don't understand is why they don't just release the system like this, and offer the playback software for $10 in the Wii Store? Plenty of the casual market would love to not have 2 or 3 boxes sitting in their entertainment center. Plus, this would be great for people with kids. They could watch kids stuff on the Wii-Pad without having the family TV on lock down.
You're entirely missing the point with Mitnick - he was held without trial for an unreasonable amount of time: four and a half years. He was deemed a "threat" to global security (literally, a judge said he could "start a nuclear war by whistling into a pay phone"). Yea, it's absurd, we all knew it, and that's why people rallied behind Mitnick. Not because they just arrested a hacker.
Not to mention that these are large scale attacks intended to piss people off and cripple systems. Mitnick just gained access. The comparison isn't even close.
It's track record is better than most, but I still occasionally have problems with Steam.
Once in a while, Steam will decide I'm not allowed to play a game I purchased. It's easy to fix, sure (close Steam and re-launch), but it's still an annoyance that I'm told I can't play my legally purchased games.
I've also had some issues where Steam ignored my settings and decided to do its own thing. Their support took the "it couldn't possibly be us" approach twice, until I sent them screenshots. The solution was to purge Steam from my system and reinstall it (luckily, it was just Steam and not all my games).
However, the biggest problem with Steam is it still lets games install additional DRM on the system. I have Steam installed, it needs to do its thing to let me games run. Why do I need a copy of SecuROM on top of Steam doing things as well? Why does the game have to validate itself against both Steam and the publisher's 3rd party authorization servers? Ask anyone who purchased Dragon Age Ultimate Edition from Steam about this, and you'll likely get an earful thanks to the server outages earlier this year (the irony of this problem is that EA's solution was to disable the DRM authorization check in the config files).
I think the guy who said "just being dicks for the sake of being dicks" got it right. I'm just waiting for them to piss in the wrong person's cereal and tick off someone smarter and better at this than they are. It'll be interesting to see how they handle someone throwing retribution back at them.
The liability. As soon as someone creatively slides adult themed content into the kid-friendly search results, someone will go ape shit. Not to mention the "what you feel is right for my kid isn't what I feel is right for my kid" crowds. Parenting is subjective, and everyone has different opinions of what it entails.
Is there some good reason we shouldn't test against this? It's possible the people who originally did the tests didn't create the circumstances these anecdotes suggest. I'd rather be safe than sorry, but that's just me and my flying preference.
A warrant for what? You're on public property. They're not searching your car. They ask you to step out of the vehicle if you smell like alcohol. None of that really constitutes illegal search and seizure, and I believe smelling like alcohol is actually justifiable probable cause.
That's not quite a good metaphor. It'd be more like this:
I run a store. I don't want to sell beans in my store. I remove all beans from my store. I also exercise my proprietary lock down on your mouth and digestive system to prevent you from eating beans from anyone else. You can try to remove my bean-locking, but it might kill you, and I will be unhappy if you succeed. I did try to push legislation to stop that, but it didn't go my way. Oh, and I will periodically push out an update to you that might actually kill you because you unlocked yourself to enjoy beans. And there's nothing you can do about it because I covered my ass with 63 pages of a legal agreement.
Apple AppStore doesn't equate to a real store because there is no competition for it, and you can't run apps not from their store on your device short of jail-breaking it.
Which brings up another fact from those statistics - the number of women gamers is rising (58/42 split now). I fear our boob-filled explosive journeys may be in danger.
Responsible full disclosure is a good thing. However, based on the "control how fast a turbine spins" part of the summary, this sounds like the type of software that needs to have rigorous testing and regulations enforced before pushing out to the public. Siemens was notified of the vulnerabilities on May 8th. 3 months might not be enough time to fix, test, and deploy the new firmware (not to mention the testing on the deployment side).
I'm all for full disclosure, but this still seems too soon. Then again the guy already submitted the info to Metasploit on May 23rd, so his course of actions is already questionable (why not wait until there's fixed firmware before this?). I think the better method of disclosing this would have been to do a partial disclosure so customers could protect themselves, then do the full disclosure after a reasonable amount of time for Siemens to deploy new firmware.
Actually, this is the continuation of the Master Chief saga, as was shown by the trailer. It's where the story continues after the teaser at the end of 3 on Legendary (343 even mentioned this in their follow up interview).
Along with that, there's the whole "Lesser of 2 (3? 4?) evils" we get to choose from as a result of balloting procedures. If all candidates are bad and going to pass the bill, who should I to vote for?
Perhaps Google has some vested interest in this that we don't know about. Perhaps Google fears being investigated by the government if they started actively fighting a "piracy prevention" bill. Perhaps Google just doesn't care (they didn't with the whole "China" censorship thing a few years back).
Google is a company first and foremost, and their own interests will always be the first priority. If opposing this would've been damaging to their business, they'll keep quiet.
2) How do we protect our natural rights from a majority that votes them away?
That's the multimillion dollar question. Quite literally, since you need a huge amount of money to either lobby your representatives, or run against them. Otherwise, they just send you a nice boilerplate response letter to any of your inquiries, concerns, and so on.
"what possessed that young student to go to an out-of-state college"
Way back when I was looking at colleges (1999), some schools that offered you in-state rates if you scored high enough on ACT/SAT tests. It's possible that practice might have changed in the past decade, but I'm sure there are other similar incentives being offered.
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Was any demonstrable harm done?
Yes. Or do you not think releasing authentication info of thousand accounts is considered damage? Or DDoSing systems, causing outages?
Sure, they exposed security flaws. However, instead of informing the companies of the flaws and helping fix them, or even releasing proof you broke into the systems without release the full account data, they chose to troll everyone "for the lulz" by releasing full account data to the public. That's where most of us have the problem with what they were doing and don't think they should be granted leniency.
Lifetime sentence? No, not lifetime. I'm sure there's a law on the book that will determine the length of the sentence... multiplied by the number of attacks. Not sure about how UK law works, but this poor guy may also be subject to civil suits as a result of the aforementioned damages.
I personally think they're going to throw the book at him, then offer him a plea deal to give up someone farther up the chain of command. From what I'm reading, this sounds like he was just the PR guy. He's probably in for a world of hurt that's a lot more than he was expecting for just being associated with the group as their voice.
That's generally how it works. Pick up the weak link, and try to get him to roll on the someone up the chain.
If he does, go get that person, and repeat the process.
The Newegg commercial was in TFA. No mention of a squad to be seen or heard. While the commercial itself was a parody (generic kid in a blue polo shirt appearing uninformed about the difference between 2 laptops), the use of geek is literally the tag line "Take it from a geek." Seems more like a slam dunk for Newegg after watching the commercial if BB is solely going after the use of "geek."
It's happened before in Vancouver over a hockey game... in the exact same scenario as last night.
It's probably a joke from the 1994 riot where the Canucks lost in the Stanley Cup finals. Not a very good track record for them taking a championship loss up there...
The graphics card supposedly can support up to 4 simultaneous video streams. It's not far fetched when you think about the resolution of the TV and the WiiPad itself (obligatory xkcd). So I don't think there'll be degradation in video quality when both are in use. If this is true, it also makes you wonder why they're limited the number of Wii-Pads to 1 (they're looking into using 2 on the same system).
What I don't understand is why they don't just release the system like this, and offer the playback software for $10 in the Wii Store? Plenty of the casual market would love to not have 2 or 3 boxes sitting in their entertainment center. Plus, this would be great for people with kids. They could watch kids stuff on the Wii-Pad without having the family TV on lock down.
You're entirely missing the point with Mitnick - he was held without trial for an unreasonable amount of time: four and a half years. He was deemed a "threat" to global security (literally, a judge said he could "start a nuclear war by whistling into a pay phone"). Yea, it's absurd, we all knew it, and that's why people rallied behind Mitnick. Not because they just arrested a hacker.
Not to mention that these are large scale attacks intended to piss people off and cripple systems. Mitnick just gained access. The comparison isn't even close.
It's track record is better than most, but I still occasionally have problems with Steam.
Once in a while, Steam will decide I'm not allowed to play a game I purchased. It's easy to fix, sure (close Steam and re-launch), but it's still an annoyance that I'm told I can't play my legally purchased games.
I've also had some issues where Steam ignored my settings and decided to do its own thing. Their support took the "it couldn't possibly be us" approach twice, until I sent them screenshots. The solution was to purge Steam from my system and reinstall it (luckily, it was just Steam and not all my games).
However, the biggest problem with Steam is it still lets games install additional DRM on the system. I have Steam installed, it needs to do its thing to let me games run. Why do I need a copy of SecuROM on top of Steam doing things as well? Why does the game have to validate itself against both Steam and the publisher's 3rd party authorization servers? Ask anyone who purchased Dragon Age Ultimate Edition from Steam about this, and you'll likely get an earful thanks to the server outages earlier this year (the irony of this problem is that EA's solution was to disable the DRM authorization check in the config files).
I think the guy who said "just being dicks for the sake of being dicks" got it right. I'm just waiting for them to piss in the wrong person's cereal and tick off someone smarter and better at this than they are. It'll be interesting to see how they handle someone throwing retribution back at them.
The liability. As soon as someone creatively slides adult themed content into the kid-friendly search results, someone will go ape shit. Not to mention the "what you feel is right for my kid isn't what I feel is right for my kid" crowds. Parenting is subjective, and everyone has different opinions of what it entails.
Is there some good reason we shouldn't test against this? It's possible the people who originally did the tests didn't create the circumstances these anecdotes suggest. I'd rather be safe than sorry, but that's just me and my flying preference.
A warrant for what? You're on public property. They're not searching your car. They ask you to step out of the vehicle if you smell like alcohol. None of that really constitutes illegal search and seizure, and I believe smelling like alcohol is actually justifiable probable cause.
That's not quite a good metaphor. It'd be more like this:
I run a store. I don't want to sell beans in my store. I remove all beans from my store. I also exercise my proprietary lock down on your mouth and digestive system to prevent you from eating beans from anyone else. You can try to remove my bean-locking, but it might kill you, and I will be unhappy if you succeed. I did try to push legislation to stop that, but it didn't go my way. Oh, and I will periodically push out an update to you that might actually kill you because you unlocked yourself to enjoy beans. And there's nothing you can do about it because I covered my ass with 63 pages of a legal agreement.
Apple AppStore doesn't equate to a real store because there is no competition for it, and you can't run apps not from their store on your device short of jail-breaking it.
Which brings up another fact from those statistics - the number of women gamers is rising (58/42 split now). I fear our boob-filled explosive journeys may be in danger.
Which is exactly why he used the word "handheld" and not "console." Turn in your pedant card at the door.
Responsible full disclosure is a good thing. However, based on the "control how fast a turbine spins" part of the summary, this sounds like the type of software that needs to have rigorous testing and regulations enforced before pushing out to the public. Siemens was notified of the vulnerabilities on May 8th. 3 months might not be enough time to fix, test, and deploy the new firmware (not to mention the testing on the deployment side).
I'm all for full disclosure, but this still seems too soon. Then again the guy already submitted the info to Metasploit on May 23rd, so his course of actions is already questionable (why not wait until there's fixed firmware before this?). I think the better method of disclosing this would have been to do a partial disclosure so customers could protect themselves, then do the full disclosure after a reasonable amount of time for Siemens to deploy new firmware.
Actually, this is the continuation of the Master Chief saga, as was shown by the trailer. It's where the story continues after the teaser at the end of 3 on Legendary (343 even mentioned this in their follow up interview).
Bungie was done at 3 like it said in the summary.
Sure.. if you ignore ODST and Reach.
Along with that, there's the whole "Lesser of 2 (3? 4?) evils" we get to choose from as a result of balloting procedures. If all candidates are bad and going to pass the bill, who should I to vote for?
I imagine it's pretty hard to survive in some parts of the country without electricity, heat, water, waste disposal...
On the Internet, all men are men, all women are men, and all children are the FBI.
Perhaps Google has some vested interest in this that we don't know about. Perhaps Google fears being investigated by the government if they started actively fighting a "piracy prevention" bill. Perhaps Google just doesn't care (they didn't with the whole "China" censorship thing a few years back).
Google is a company first and foremost, and their own interests will always be the first priority. If opposing this would've been damaging to their business, they'll keep quiet.
1) How do we route around this damage?
The same way we always have: proxies, tor, etc.
2) How do we protect our natural rights from a majority that votes them away?
That's the multimillion dollar question. Quite literally, since you need a huge amount of money to either lobby your representatives, or run against them. Otherwise, they just send you a nice boilerplate response letter to any of your inquiries, concerns, and so on.
"what possessed that young student to go to an out-of-state college"
Way back when I was looking at colleges (1999), some schools that offered you in-state rates if you scored high enough on ACT/SAT tests. It's possible that practice might have changed in the past decade, but I'm sure there are other similar incentives being offered.