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Embed a Video, Go To Jail?

An anonymous reader writes "A few weeks ago, Slashdot had a post about the new bill in Congress to make streaming infringing videos a felony, punishable by up to 5 years in jail if just 10 people watch the video. As more details come out, the bill keeps looking worse and worse, as it appears that the definitions used in the bill would mean that merely embedding or linking to an infringing YouTube video could put you on the hook for jail time. Obviously, supporters of the bill insist that's not who will be targeted with this bill, but just the fact that they could be should be worrisome enough. We've seen other laws 'misused' in the past."

314 comments

  1. Good - arrest me by commodore6502 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd be happy to appear on every radio and TV show discussing the out-of-control government which arrested me because I linked infringing "Sanctuary" episodes from youtube to my facebook page. It's time to Inform the public about what kind of tyranny they are living.

    So go ahead and arrest me.
    I'll be happy to fight back.

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    1. Re:Good - arrest me by SilentStaid · · Score: 2

      Dude, you're 11. Let the adults handle this, okay?

      They're doing a bang up job so far... maybe we should let the younger generation take a crack at it.

    2. Re:Good - arrest me by JockTroll · · Score: 2

      maybe we should let the younger generation take a crack at it.

      The younger generation is taking too much crack already.

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    3. Re:Good - arrest me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I think you're confusing commodore64_love/commodore6502/cpu6502's age with his IQ.

    4. Re:Good - arrest me by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      >>>Dude, you're 11. Let the adults handle this, okay?

      I am 11 in Mars years (or 3 in Jupiter years), but not earth years.

      As for the comment about crack, if I have ownership of my body then I should be able to do anything I want to do to it. There is no justification for the government to disallow Drug use (or even suicide) unless the government claims ownership over you.

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    5. Re:Good - arrest me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, a semi-intelligent comment from Commode64Love. I guess even a stopped clock is right twice a day...

    6. Re:Good - arrest me by Script+Cat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Selective enforcement needs to be a crime in its self. It happen all the time. This is incompatable with rule of law.

    7. Re:Good - arrest me by Magada · · Score: 1

      You'd be in jail, stupid. Fighting for your life, not fighting the gov't.

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    8. Re:Good - arrest me by Gripp · · Score: 2

      sounds great in theory. problem becomes that no matter how big of a problem it is, nobody cares enough to listen. so have fun yelling at the wall!

      however, where is the petition to have this shut down? posting it up on /. would be a great idea....

      and i don't care what the proponents "think the intent is" it will be used to-the-letter of how it is stated. and i'm sure they know this (who doesn't!?). so to me it sounds they are even admitting it is incorrect.

    9. Re:Good - arrest me by matt_gaia · · Score: 1

      There is no justification for the government to disallow Drug use (or even suicide) unless the government claims ownership over you.

      Speaking of which... what is the mandatory sentence for committing suicide now-a-days? I would think death would be a bit harsh of a sentence (as well as redundant).

    10. Re:Good - arrest me by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      ...maybe we should let the younger generation take a crack at it.

      I don't think so!!

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    11. Re:Good - arrest me by delinear · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem is the people who own the media are the same ones buying these ridiculous laws. How much airtime are they going to give you to argue against something they've spent a lot of time and money lobbying for? At best some liberal media might pick this up and then get shouted down as commies. Even if you could get your point across, the second it became clear you knew what you were talking about, they'd drop the charges and claim that as proof the system works - there are plenty of people who don't understand the issues that they can go after instead.

    12. Re:Good - arrest me by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Selective enforcement is compatible with mercy, and by extension, justice. Law isn't the end goal.

    13. Re:Good - arrest me by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      ...what is the mandatory sentence for committing suicide now-a-days?

      They kill the rest of your family...

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    14. Re:Good - arrest me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suicide of an individual who has no responsibilities to anyone or anything, sure. But what if there are people dependent on you (say, your children). Do you still have the right to commit suicide? If so, why? You took on the responsibility of raising children of your own free will. Just because life gets hard that doesn't give you the right to toss that responsibility onto someone else.

    15. Re:Good - arrest me by Sique · · Score: 3, Informative

      Mercy can only be given after the guilt was established. You can't pre-pardon people who aren't even considered guilty yet. Selectively accusing and prosecuting people is incompatible with the rule of law.

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    16. Re:Good - arrest me by Golddess · · Score: 1

      and i don't care what the proponents "think the intent is" it will be used to-the-letter of how it is stated.

      Maybe in addition to pointing out how it can be misused, we should followup with the following:

      "Now I know that you would never use this law in that way, but say a member of the other party is elected into your position. What is to keep them from misusing the law in the way I'd just described?"

      If nothing else, should provide some entertainment when their head explodes because they can't come up with an answer that doesn't either a) cause them to have to pull the bill, or b) reveal that even they know there is really only 1 political party.

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    17. Re:Good - arrest me by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lately 'Law' is the only goal. Justice used to be the goal. This is what happens when lawyers are placed too high on the pedestal. What we need is a good old fashioned pogrom against lawyers. Starting with IP lawyers. Take your pick where you want to start next.

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    18. Re:Good - arrest me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hello police man. I saw some guys breaking into a house a couple of minutes ago, but I don't want to commit a crime by "linking" you to the location that it occurred."

    19. Re:Good - arrest me by ArundelCastle · · Score: 1

      I think news blogs are generally the #1 place I see videos "likely to get a takedown notice" so yes it will be interesting to see the Streisand effect at work here.

    20. Re:Good - arrest me by dwillden · · Score: 1

      So we use the new media. If every slashdotter who is concerned about this posted the link to the article (the real article not the /. link) to their facebook and other social networking sites, we can get the word out. Particularly if we introduce the link by making the point that according to this law, any of them could face jail time for any video clip they link to if they don't know it's legality.

      Social Media has the ability to get around the paid media's blackouts.

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    21. Re:Good - arrest me by pla · · Score: 1

      Just because life gets hard that doesn't give you the right to toss that responsibility onto someone else.

      ...Like, say, a parent that killed themself because they couldn't deal with the stress of raising kids?

    22. Re:Good - arrest me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell you what people i have said it before and will say it again you need to get offa ya butts and get those idiots on and around Capital hill under control you are becoming the next USSR very rapidly , I know we got a right bunch of tosspots in government here but they aint quite that bad and better than the previous bunch .

      But you have a real problem there you are all going to regret it if you don't get them sorted now ..

    23. Re:Good - arrest me by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Selective enforcement is compatible with mercy, and by extension, justice. Law isn't the end goal.

      Selective enforcement can be compatible with mercy. It can also be a way to punish opponents. If someone is always breaking some law (Just not normally enforced) you can just go and arrest anyone you want. (Example: Glenn Beck for this administration and Jon Stewart for the next one)

    24. Re:Good - arrest me by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      however, where is the petition to have this shut down? posting it up on /. would be a great idea....

      How about http://klobuchar.senate.gov/emailamy.cfm http://cornyn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=ContactForm and http://coons.senate.gov/contact/ to start. I am in Texas, so I called Cornyn. Slashdot em!

    25. Re:Good - arrest me by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      This is a difficult problem considering the vagueness of language. IMO, laws should protect the greater good as well as individual rights as evenly as possible. Some examples:

      Let's say a man is speeding down the highway. A state patrolman pulls him over for doing 90 in a 65 zone. The trooper goes up to the window and reveals his pregnant wife in the back seat, currently in labor. Does the patrolman write him out a ticket, or let him go? Following the letter of the law, he'd get a ticket, and potentially lose his driver's license. But there's almost no peace officer who would give out a ticket in that situation - it's rather common for them to escort the car the rest of the way, siren's blaring.

      Another example. Someone breaks into your home with a knife and threatens to rape and murder your daughter. You shoot and kill him. The prosecutor (in many states) is compelled to arrest you at least for manslaughter - they often have no choice in the manner, no discretion. Even though the odds are that the jury would acquit (despite the blatant violation of the letter of the law), he doesn't have a choice in the matter.

      As much as there's the chance for corruption (i.e. selective enforcement of law like only pulling over dark skinned people for speeding), I think it's probably better than mandatory enforcement. I've personally seen more bad then good when mandatory rules supersede the ability of a judge, prosecutor, patrolman, or jury to let someone slide. Best example: mandatory minimum sentencing for drug possession (which thankfully are being repealed in a lot of places).

    26. Re:Good - arrest me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's interesting to watch a nation self implode by doing it to itself through bankruptcy and putting everyone in gaol. This is even more entertaining than the fading of the British Empire and the Soviet Union!

      Pass the popcorn!

    27. Re:Good - arrest me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Selective enforcement needs to be a crime in its self. It happen all the time. This is incompatable with rule of law.

      Yes! People think I'm crazy, but I've been saying for years we need universal enforcement of speed limits! Now we finally have cheap technology readily available that will make this possible.

    28. Re:Good - arrest me by tom17 · · Score: 1

      It's "Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day".

    29. Re:Good - arrest me by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 1

      I'd be happy to appear on every radio and TV show discussing the out-of-control government which arrested me because I linked infringing "Sanctuary" episodes from youtube to my facebook page. It's time to Inform the public about what kind of tyranny they are living.

      That would not be covered by the bill.

    30. Re:Good - arrest me by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      You can't pre-pardon people who aren't even considered guilty yet.

      Why not? Ford did it for Nixon, and Carter did it for those who fled conscription.

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    31. Re:Good - arrest me by MarkvW · · Score: 1

      Selective enforcement needs to be a crime in its self. It happen all the time. This is incompatable with rule of law.

      It's been tried. It doesn't work. Judges will not do it. Juries will not do it. If you try to force them to do it . . . you're just a fascist.

    32. Re:Good - arrest me by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Those enforcing the laws aren't the decider of mercy or justice. They are there for the sole purpose of bringing the offender before a jury of their peers which then decided mercy and justice.

      If the enforcers are the ones who get this mercy role, then they are also the ones who get the tyranny role. The entire idea behind the role of law is to separate the enforcers so the law applies to everyone equally and not just your enemies or the people looked down on in society.

    33. Re:Good - arrest me by Gripp · · Score: 1

      right! so the next step would be to get this link to appear in the RSS feed...

    34. Re:Good - arrest me by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. We have jay-walking laws but they usually aren't enforced. That doesn't mean you couldn't cite someone who pulled a particularly egregious instance that endangered people.

    35. Re:Good - arrest me by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      I don't see how embedding a sanctuary episode on your website is any different than uploading it to your site and streaming it from your own servers.

      I approve of this law. If you started hosting a site called "Sanctuary for Free!" and then aggregated and kept an up to date embedded video on a number of pages for every episode you're effectively streaming it yourself. The fact that you're using a 3rd party host to actually hold the bits is irellevant in my mind. Your intent is clear in providing copyrighted material to your customers.

      A similar example would be to take a photo from a photographers page and post it on your own but not actually downloading and saving it to your own server. It's obvious that it's copyright infringement to use the photographer's work on your website but the fact that it's being hosted on the photographer's page is irrelevant.

      You also can't sue YouTube since they're protected by safe harbor. With the existing law there is a loop hole where you can have someone upload it to YouTube (or more likely megadrive) and then stream it from their websites through yours and as long as they can't prove you uploaded it be completely innocent.

      If you don't believe in copyright that's one thing. But if you accept the notion of copyright being a valid then this is a common sense definition of copyright infringement.

      The one exception I would make is the linking rule. I don't think links should be banned since that's freedom of speech and no copyrighted content is within your website. And someone could trick you by changing their innocuous page into an infringing page. Also you might link to the NYTimes but they might have accidentally posted a photo they don't have rights to in which case without intent to cause infringement you might run afoul the law.

      Frames pose an interesting question though. I would say illegal. If the primary website is still yours but you have a frame with youtube in it I would consider that "embedded". Ditto with CSS boxes or other such overlays. Pop-Ups I suppose would have to be acceptable since they're just a link.

    36. Re:Good - arrest me by Arterion · · Score: 1

      This is exactly how it works. The laws are such that almost anyone can be found to be breaking some kind of law. So then you give up your rights, such as against search and seizure, in order to avoid being charged. If you are charged, you don't go to a jury of your peers because if you plea bargain out of it, you get a much lighter sentence. Unless it's something high-profile like murder, the judge always sides with the cops in the hearing -- if you want to go past a hearing to a real jury trial, you have to pony up a ton of court costs first, and hire a lawyer.

      It's the same story: You get pulled over. The cop tells you were speeding, failed to use a signal, or something even more vague like "careless driving". You may or may not have been, it's doesn't matter at this point, because if he writes the ticket, you are guilty unless you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt you were innocent. So he will bully you into letting him search your car for no reason, in the hopes that if you kowtow to his sense of authority, he may deem you a good citizen and let you off on the ticket.

      I guess my point is, if the laws are so broad that everyone is guilty of something, then the people who enforce the laws have all the power. Even if the judicial system weren't corrupt at the lowest levels, the cost of hiring a proper defense attorney is easily a thousand bucks -- and you can't get that back, even if the charges are completely and totally absurd, and laughed out of court.

      Of course, if you have a really nice car and are driving in a really nice neighborhood, this is less likely to happen. You know, if you can actually afford legal representation. If you happen not to be so well off, you're screwed. It's blatant class warfare.

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    37. Re:Good - arrest me by themusicgod1 · · Score: 1

      facebook is the establishment.

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    38. Re:Good - arrest me by Sique · · Score: 1

      The jaywalking law has other functions than to prosecute people. It's there to establish legal responsibility. If an accident happens while jaywalking, the jaywalker is presumed to be the offending party. I don't know exactly about the U.S. traffic laws, but at least in the European countries I know of, the first law in the traffic law code is always of the type: "It's everyones responsibility to behave in traffic so no other gets harmed or endangered and that hindrance and disturbation of others is kept at a minimum given the circumstances."

      Jaywalking laws are there to define how to behave at a stop light to achieve minimum danger, hindrance and disturbation. If you don't break Rule 1, all other rules are unimportant.

      PS: The Rule 1 in the german traffic law code for instance:

        1
      Grundregeln
      (1) Die Teilnahme am Straßenverkehr erfordert ständige Vorsicht und gegenseitige Rücksicht.
      (2) Jeder Verkehrsteilnehmer hat sich so zu verhalten, daß kein Anderer geschädigt, gefährdet oder mehr, als nach den Umständen unvermeidbar, behindert oder belästigt wird.

      Article 1:

      Basic Rules
      (1) Taking part in road traffic requires ongoing attention and mutual respect.
      (2) Every road user has to behave in a way that no other gets harmed, endangered or, given the circumstances, more than unavoidably hindered or disturbed.

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    39. Re:Good - arrest me by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      I'll be happy to fight back.

      That's what the strait-jackets and gags are for. They're designed for people who want to fight back, and the designers were intelligent and effective.

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    40. Re:Good - arrest me by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      Do you still have the right to commit suicide?

      The "right"? Those are artificial. You also speak as if there are absolute morals, but there is no evidence to support such a conclusion. If someone believes that suicide is alright and they are ready to do it, then that is exactly what they am going to do (regardless of whether or not other people think it's 'wrong'). I think it's a shame if they have children, but that is simply too bad.

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    41. Re:Good - arrest me by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      This is a difficult problem considering the vagueness of language. IMO, laws should protect the greater good as well as individual rights as evenly as possible. Some examples:

      Let's say a man is speeding down the highway. A state patrolman pulls him over for doing 90 in a 65 zone. The trooper goes up to the window and reveals his pregnant wife in the back seat, currently in labor. Does the patrolman write him out a ticket, or let him go? Following the letter of the law, he'd get a ticket, and potentially lose his driver's license. But there's almost no peace officer who would give out a ticket in that situation - it's rather common for them to escort the car the rest of the way, siren's blaring.

      And then write the speeder a ticket at the hospital. Happened to my brother-in-law 8*)

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    42. Re:Good - arrest me by RadiantPhoenix · · Score: 1

      No.

      Killing people is absolutely the wrong way to go about this, it is exactly the sort of over-reaction that has us all upset about organizations such as the MPAA and the RIAA; it will mostly serve to push people who would otherwise support us into supporting those organizations just to stop us; what we need is instead to better educate the people who make the decisions, both in the courts and in the legislature, as well as the voting public, about what is really going on with these laws, and about why it is wrong.

    43. Re:Good - arrest me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WE The People make the laws of OUR land, and any publically elected official who does not want to abide by OUR democratically written laws shall be cast aside and replaced

    44. Re:Good - arrest me by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      You are right. Killing them isn't mandatory. It is also too good for them. But considering the fact that it is the ivory towers that shield them from understanding what justice is, I don't know what more 'education' will do. Don't get me wrong, I believe in education. But what is needed is to evict these people from their towers so they have to live in the real world; and then tear the towers down. The problem is that they make so much money, and their world is so insular that they don't have to join the real world, and they don't care to. They also are a self regulating industry. It needs to be disrupted so that it is changed into a justice system.

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    45. Re:Good - arrest me by obscuro · · Score: 1

      That's what the INTERNET is for!!!

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    46. Re:Good - arrest me by MaDeR · · Score: 1

      "I should be able to do anything I want to do to it. "
      Unfortunately, being drug addict WILL bring harm to persons other than yourself. So bad argument.

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  2. five years for 10 viewings? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whatever happened to our Constitutional protection from cruel and unjust punishments?

    Is this the new War on Drugs or something?

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    1. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 2

      Whatever happened to our Constitutional protection from cruel and unjust punishments?

      I think the BoR & 8th Amendment says cruel and unusual punishments.

    2. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by MBGMorden · · Score: 2

      The 8th amendment protects against cruel and unusual, not unjust, punishments.

      Have to remember that they weren't too far off of a time when if a ruler didn't like you you very well could be locked in a brazen bull and roasted to death. Simple incarceration isn't considered cruel or unusual and the constitution doesn't really deal with sentence lengths.

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    3. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by plunderscratch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Whatever happened to our Constitutional protection from cruel and unjust punishments?

      Is this the new War on Drugs or something?

      er, I think you allowed successive elected representatives to gradually erode any form of constitutionality in the name of capitalism, which is now being protected by the big corporations who fear that their monopoly may be at risk.

      Drugs and piracy are just bad ok, so please just accept what you are told, do what 'the man' says, be a good citizen and don't forget to inform on your neighbour if you think they are up to no good. They might be terrorists you know!

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    4. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There was a Supreme Court case where they determined that a life sentence without parole for the crime of passing a bad check for $50 was, in fact, cruel and unusual. Don't recall the name of the case off the top of my head. But in general, yeah, sentence length doesn't usually fall under there.

    5. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by stewbee · · Score: 3

      It's not just the time that is ridiculous, but also the fact that it is a felony. A felony is a huge thing to be charged of. It means that you essentially lose your civil rights. You can't vote. Your chances of finding future work will certainly be more difficult, since after all you are a convicted felon.

      Anyone else just getting tired of this crap?

    6. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      >>>.....the fact that it is a felony.
      >>>Anyone else just getting tired of this crap?

      I am well past "tired".
      I am angry.

      Jefferson had the right idea when he proposed this amendment: "Monopolies may be allowed to persons for their own productions in literature, and their own inventions in the arts, for a term not exceeding ___ years, but for no longer term, and for no other purpose." He suggested "19" be inserted into the blank.

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    7. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by jdpars · · Score: 1

      Right, incarceration is only cruel, not unusual. But if they sentenced you to be a shepherd (in nice conditions, though that's rare) for a year, well, that'd be unusual, but not cruel.

    8. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      Considering the broad support for strong copyright/trademark/patent laws in both the Democrat and Republican parties, I doubt that such an amendment would make a difference: the amendment would just be repealed.

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    9. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that people are too disorganized. When the MPAA, RIAA, Oil Industry, etc. give money to politician, they have a goal in mind. They want value for their money, they are bribing the politician to behave in a particular manner.

      The disorganized rabble give money to a candidate, and in the same amounts as the organized groups, but get nothing for it. The candidate may, or may not get elected, but there are no hooks or definite agenda for that person after they are elected.

      What we need is to organize so that money goes to candidates, but more and repeated money goes to candidates who execute on the goals behind the money. In short, the individual rabble need a website that manages their money in a way that gets them a return on investment from their bribes. (If you wish, you can read "campaign contributions" instead of bribes, but the effect is the same).

    10. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      The unusual part would be the exceedingly long imprisonment for what most would consider minor offense.

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    11. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This would be an ideal way to catch Julian Assange. 'Collateral Murder' springs to mind.

      In conjunction with yesterdays' story "NATO Report Threatens To 'Persecute' Anonymous" we have all the tools we need to supress truth tellers and music junkies alike. Copyright infrigement will be equated with terrorism.

      1984 gets closer by the day.

    12. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by urulokion · · Score: 1

      Like getting life sentence w/o the possibility of parole for shoplifting a DVD?

      Eyes the various 3-strikes laws

    13. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

      The unusual part would be the exceedingly long imprisonment for what most would consider minor offense.

      Actually, it would only be unusual if it was not the usual punishment for the same offense. It looks like the objective of this legislation is to make incarceration for some years the usual punishment. It would be merely an irrelevance that some people consider it a minor offense; what's important is that the punishment is applied consistently to all who are found guilty of the same offense.

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    14. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Granted I think Cruel and Unjust punishment is much better then Cruel and Unusual (Especially as the Unusual may come up with more innovative and effective ideas). But Copyright law hasn't been keeping up with the modern times. The Laws are now unfairly harsh now because it doesn't factor in how easy it is now to break the law "innocently".

      Back when these laws were designed copyright infringement meant often a full attempt to break the law. You needed expensive resources to produce copies. Either a lot of Man Power or an expensive press... These large expensive operations meant that copyright infringement also came with selling the goods for a profit. So the infringer were making a lot of money breaking the law. So these high fines were just because the larger the infringement the more money they made.

      However today it is too easy to break copyright. Digital Technologies are designed to make consistent high quality copies every time, without degrading quality. They are cheap and easy to use so anyone could be a violator of a large scale. The laws need to tighten to help protect the copyright holders, however the punishment for the crimes shouldn't be such that it could cause life ruin for the perpetrator. It is like giving out $50,000 speeding tickets, for people who go 10-20 mph over the limit, but are in cars designed to drive at least 20mph any US. Speed limit, and roads designed to handle safe driving at those speeds under particular conditions.

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    15. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Nadaka · · Score: 2

      That is correct, when it becomes cruel and routine, it is no longer unconstitutional. Just see Guantanamo for reference.

    16. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by memojuez · · Score: 1

      That must have been a gold plated DVD for its theft to be considered as a felony.

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    17. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      It already is. There were ads put out by the MPAA a few years ago stating there was a link between pirated movies and Al Queda.

    18. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by rbochan · · Score: 1

      Whenever a controversial law is proposed, and its supporters, when confronted with an egregious abuse it would permit, use a phrase along the lines of 'Perhaps in theory, but the law would never be applied in that way' - they're LYING. They intend to use the law that way as early and as often as possible.

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    19. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever happened to our Constitutional protection from cruel and unjust punishments?

      Is this the new War on Drugs or something?

      er, I think you allowed successive elected representatives to gradually erode any form of constitutionality in the name of capitalism, which is now being protected by the big corporations who fear that their monopoly may be at risk.

      Drugs and piracy are just bad ok, so please just accept what you are told, do what 'the man' says, be a good citizen and don't forget to inform on your neighbour if you think they are up to no good. They might be terrorists you know!

      Why is this modded funny? The poster is not joking! This is exacly what I was thinking... should be (Score:5, Insightful)

    20. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

      Whatever happened to our Constitutional protection from cruel and unjust punishments?

      I think the BoR & 8th Amendment says cruel and unusual punishments.

      My bad... I should have RTFC before posting.

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    21. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      Jefferson had the right idea when he proposed this amendment: "Monopolies may be allowed to persons for their own productions in literature, and their own inventions in the arts, for a term not exceeding ___ years, but for no longer term, and for no other purpose." He suggested "19" be inserted into the blank.

      I have thought of non-transferable IP as perhaps a good policy, but then you'd get murdered so your patent would expire.

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    22. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by halfEvilTech · · Score: 1

      what's important is that the punishment is applied consistently to all who are found guilty of the same offense.

      Well you can then toss out a large portion of the laws right then and there. It is connom knowledge that if you are in a position of power and influence or a corporation you can get away with just about anything. Where as if your everyday working middle class citizen where to commit the same crime, they would be in jail faster than you know it.

    23. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      er, I think you allowed successive elected representatives to gradually erode any form of constitutionality in the name of capitalism,...

      Actually, if you study the history of jurisprudence in the U.S., you will discover that any form of constitutionality was eroded in the name of progressivism. Early progressives were upset that Constitutional limitations prevented them from implementing the modernizing "reforms" they wanted, so they took actions to gradually nueter those limitations (FDR's attempts to pack the Supreme Court being but one example).
      Large corporations were only too happy to help the government implement these changes which allowed them to use the power of government to supress competition. Please be aware that large corporations do not favor capitalism. They much prefer more government centric economic systems which allow them to supress competition.

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    24. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by deckitbruiseit · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but capitalism is not the issue. The corporations could not wield this kind of threatening power on their own. It's the government pussying out and bending over for big corp lobbyists that's the real issue. No government capitulation, no problem.

    25. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      While I also don't like the three strikes laws, you wouldn't be getting a life sentence for shoplifting a DVD; that's a pretty disingenuous portrayal.

      That's like me saying I got a divorce because my wife wouldn't put the cap back on the toothpaste. Well... that's what started the final argument, but it's certainly not the reason I got a divorce. (point of fact - I didn't get a divorce, it's just an example).

      You'd be getting a life sentence for repeatedly breaking the law; the shoplifting being only the most recent incident.

      As far as topic is concerned, here's the key: "Obviously, supporters of the bill insist that's not who will be targeted with this bill,..."

      When then, the solution is simple, right? They merely need to phrase the wording of the law so that it CAN'T happen instead of claiming it WON'T happen.

      History is filled with abused laws, everything from copyrights to taxes has been abused by the government doing things they swore up and down they wouldn't do.

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    26. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by rmstar · · Score: 1

      It's the government pussying out and bending over for big corp lobbyists that's the real issue. No government capitulation, no problem.

      The government as an institution has a hard time defending against big corp lobbyists, who have essentially unlimited funding compared with the working budget of congressmen or senators, and have far less tasks to concentrate on. They have done a lot to undermine government, and it took them a comparatively long time. So where I do disagree with you is in your implication that big corp is not to blame for this. They could as well have behaved in an ethical manner.

    27. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by udoschuermann · · Score: 1

      No cruel and unusual punishment, but either one by itself is permitted. Logic says we're screwed.

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    28. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      >>>.....the fact that it is a felony. >>>Anyone else just getting tired of this crap?

      I am well past "tired". I am angry.

      Jefferson had the right idea when he proposed this amendment: "Monopolies may be allowed to persons for their own productions in literature, and their own inventions in the arts, for a term not exceeding ___ years, but for no longer term, and for no other purpose." He suggested "19" be inserted into the blank.

      The Disney version of this story says he sugguested '19,000,000,000,000'

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    29. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Yes. Yes this is the new war on drugs. They need a new bogeyman, and this is it. Our government will be waging war against us for decades to come.

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    30. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      That depends on the victim, too - upset someone with influence, and they will make sure you suffer. Witness, for example, the password-guesser who was jailed for breaking into Sarah Palin's personal email account. Do you think he'd have been jailed for breaking into the account of just any commoner? No, the government wouldn't even consider him worth the trouble of an investigation.

    31. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The 8th amendment protects against cruel and *unusual*, not unjust, punishments.

      Actually, you got the emphasis wrong.

      The loophole is The 8th amendment protects against cruel and unusual, not unjust, *punishments*.

      Torture was legalized not because it wasn't cruel, not because it wasn't unusual. But because if the person hadn't been charged with anything, let alone been found guilty at trial, it could not, by definition, be a "punishment" for anything. Therefore the Eighth didn't apply.

      I can't say I agree with it, but that was the legal fig leaf that Yoo and Gonzalez came up with during the Bush II regime.

    32. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      They could wield the threatening power just fine without the government's help. You don't have to have a legitimate case to sue.

      That said, the real problem is that lobbyists are basically writing the laws these days. Our congresscritters can say all they want to about the law not being used in that way. Odds are good that MPAA lobbyists wrote this bill, and that they knew exactly how it could be used and wrote it this way very deliberately.

      Nothing short of an outright ban on paid lobbying can restore democracy to America.

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    33. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      s/years/femtoseconds/ and I'm okay with it.

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    34. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Golddess · · Score: 1

      You'd be getting a life sentence for repeatedly being accused of breaking the law; the shoplifting being only the most recent incident.

      FTFY. At least that has been my understanding of the various 3-strikes laws.

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    35. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by babywhiz · · Score: 1

      I refuse to even purchase, pirate, listen to, consume, or otherwise view anything that is *IAA related. Screw those guys. I don't need their songs, movies, or other garbage that they think they can triple dip into. They just don't get it. I'm done with the extortion. Let them go extinct already.

    36. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      It would be merely an irrelevance that some people consider it a minor offense; what's important is that the punishment is applied consistently to all who are found guilty of the same offense.

      Even with the current US Supreme Court, I don't think it would fly for a legislature to define jaywalking, petty theft, etc., as death penalty offenses, even if the punishment were applied consistently.

      "Cruel and unusual" are defined similar to "pornography" as far as the courts are concerned...community standards (plus the ever popular "you know it when you see it").

    37. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by dwillden · · Score: 1

      No, because the three strikes laws only come into play on the third CONVICTION. Three arrests with one or more acquittals or lesser pleas won't qualify for a three strikes penalty.

      So you didn't fix anything.

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    38. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Dayze!Confused · · Score: 2

      It is those uncommon uses which gives power to one who wishes to abuse. What may happen is that people get used to nobody doing anything about breaking it, then suddenly they "crack down" on it.
      How about a car analogy. Let's say there is a law outlawing making left turns on Thursday.
              Some people object saying it is ridiculous, that there are justifiable reasons to make left turns on Thursday.
              The lawmakers say they only want this law for a particular case where there are certain intersections where there are a lot of accidents that occurred on Thursday involving people making left turns. The law gets passed.
              In the interim it is hardly enforced, nobody gets arrested for making left turns on Thursday. After a few years there is a political activists wanting to hold a protest on Thursday at a particular destination in which have to make a left turn to get to ( I'm not a civil engineer but let's say for some reason there was no way to make a right turn into it ). In order to stifle this movement the mayor orders the police officers to wait at that intersection and to arrest everyone for making a left turn there, thus getting rid of any protest there may have been.
              There is a large danger in having many laws that are obscure or not largely enforced, they can be forgotten by the masses and then used as a legal weapon by those who know the laws and have an agenda.

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    39. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      I have thought of non-transferable IP as perhaps a good policy, but then you'd get murdered so your patent would expire.

      How do you murder a corporation?

      Since most patents, registered copyrights, etc., are held not by individuals, but rather by companies, about the only thing preventing transfer would do is stop companies like Intellectual Ventures, but that might be worth it.

    40. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      I'd say that 1,489 years (at the time of the revolution as compared to the last recorded use of a Brazen Bull) would be considered a far off time.

      I would recommend mentioning inquisition torture devices as your unusual punishments rather than torture devices from the classical era.

    41. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by deckitbruiseit · · Score: 1

      Truth spoken. It's a shame our country has come to this.

    42. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BoR & 8th Amendment...a little redundant? Not to sound too pendatic, but the first 10 amendments is what makes up the BoR.

    43. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "unusual" had a bit of a different meaning in the 18th century. It did not mean "uncommon" as is used today.

    44. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Protip: You don't get to say FTFY when you make your parent's post less correct. Your own ignorance is not an excuse.

      Three-strike laws apply to FELONY CONVICTIONS.

    45. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      That is officially the stupidest thing I've ever read on /.

      I mean really? You think THAT is the only thing preventing the murder of IP holders? Fuck, I can think of DOZENS of reasons to murder certain IP holders before that (I'm looking at you Bieber). Notice how they aren't being murdered?

    46. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      close, although they have all been in the name of political progress at the expense of capitalism. Capitalism, by it's nature, just adjusts to take advantage of the new bureaucracy of ills created by over regulation which has made it nearly impossible to do any type of business without being a criminal if only on paper. Once at that point why not just be a true criminal?

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    47. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They implemented a "Copyright Czar" just a year or three ago. I'm surprised you've taken this long to realize that this IS the new "War on Drugs".

    48. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by BKX · · Score: 1

      ..or five DVD's. Where I'm at least, theft over $100 is larceny, which is a felony. Thank Jesus we don't have a three strikes law.

    49. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Actually, the Bill of Rights is all redundant when considering the entire argument against the Bill of rights in the first place was that the federal government had no rights to impose on the liberties the 12 amendments were to protect.

      Oh, that's right, I said 12 and not 10. That is because the original bill of rights contained 12 amendments, 10 of which were passed and ratified by enough states to make the constitution acceptable and binding. The other two which was the first and second amendment of the original bill of rights saw the second passed finally as the 27th amendment to the constitution regarding compensation of elected officials, while the first amendment limiting the power of congress to change the number of representatives has still not been passed.

      Here is some more about it.
      http://www.usconstitution.net/first12.html

    50. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      In most state, repeated violation of the same offense statute can elevate the crime to the next potential level. If snagging a DVD is a first degree misdemeanor, then getting busted 2 months after getting busted can make it a class 4 or d felony.

      Most states have this as a way to deter repeat offenders. It helps where someone goes through the system and thinks the results of the offense was worth the punishment so they do it again.

    51. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by bhsx · · Score: 1

      Wow. First of all, I'm not sure what would make something "officially the stupidest," is there a panel of judges for this sort of thing?
      Secondly, where did he say "is the only thing preventing the murder?" I read his post again, and honestly, I can't find it.
      If you're going to go around labeling posts as "stupidest" you might want to have something intelligent to say, or at least something coherent.
      You are a complete tool, please stay away from slashdot. Thank you.

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    52. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by flink · · Score: 1

      Torture was legalized not because it wasn't cruel, not because it wasn't unusual. But because if the person hadn't been charged with anything, let alone been found guilty at trial, it could not, by definition, be a "punishment" for anything. Therefore the Eighth didn't apply.

      I can't say I agree with it, but that was the legal fig leaf that Yoo and Gonzalez came up with during the Bush II regime.

      If it's not punishment for a crime, then it's simply assault and kidnapping. Otherwise, there is nothing stopping police from beating a confession out of people.

    53. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Golddess · · Score: 1

      Not how they're always portrayed here, but I guess it wouldn't be the first time /. got something wrong.

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    54. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

      i never understood why having a felony should bar you from voting. "hey, you served your time and all, but you'll never be a full, proper citizen again." it'd be hard enough with the stigma of incarceration. it's not even a "do the crime, do the time" scenario at that point. it seems so unjust in a modern society.

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    55. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      That's like me saying I got a divorce because my wife wouldn't put the cap back on the toothpaste.

      Hey, if your wife shows a pattern of negligence then it's only a matter of time before you're eating something toxic. Good call on the divorce, even if it hasn't happened yet.

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    56. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      I think Golddess meant the "3 accusations of downloading and you lose your internet" laws that are making the rounds in the countries that for some reason want to view the video shit that the USA is productizing.

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    57. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by God+Of+Atheism · · Score: 1

      The problem is that people are too disorganized. When the MPAA, RIAA, Oil Industry, etc. give money to politician, they have a goal in mind. They want value for their money, they are bribing the politician to behave in a particular manner.

      The disorganized rabble give money to a candidate, and in the same amounts as the organized groups, but get nothing for it. The candidate may, or may not get elected, but there are no hooks or definite agenda for that person after they are elected.

      What we need is to organize so that money goes to candidates, but more and repeated money goes to candidates who execute on the goals behind the money. In short, the individual rabble need a website that manages their money in a way that gets them a return on investment from their bribes. (If you wish, you can read "campaign contributions" instead of bribes, but the effect is the same).

      If I had modpoints I'd mod parent up.

      Another way would be to completely ban bribes/campaign contributions and campaigns for that matter. Instead with the notices when and where to vote, send a book with the programs of all the different candidates. The cost of this will likely be far lower than the costs of all the propaganda (mostly empty slogans) plastered all over the country. As an added advantage, you would be able to make an informed choice. Plus, it might be possible to charge candidates not trying to get their programs through after being elected with the crime of false advertising.

    58. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No constitution protects its citizens. A constitution gives its citizens a framework to protect themselves. The US constitution has worked for as long as it has because of the folkloric culture its history has sparked, but your systems of government have matured, as much in a wine and cheese sense as in an age sense, and it's time for the rank and file to fight against vested interest, no matter the cost, otherwise all your law will become theirs.

    59. Re:five years for 10 viewings? by Nyder · · Score: 1

      Whatever happened to our Constitutional protection from cruel and unjust punishments?

      Is this the new War on Drugs or something?

      It's a process.

      They want to do a war on thoughts, but not sure if the public would support it yet.

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  3. "We've seen other laws 'misused' in the past"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Are you kidding me? That's the understatement of all time right there.

    Virtually all laws get misused, and this will be no exception.

    1. Re:"We've seen other laws 'misused' in the past"? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      But that's not the "intent" so just bend over and take it. Really, it's for your own good...

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    2. Re:"We've seen other laws 'misused' in the past"? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      If the "it will only be used against the bad guys" excuse is sufficient, then why make such detailed laws at all? Just make a law stating "you can be thrown into prison for any reason" and assure everyone that it will only be used against the bad guys.

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    3. Re:"We've seen other laws 'misused' in the past"? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      I thought we were following the Chinese model already...

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  4. stuff that is not clearly defined. by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    May make it hard for a jury to convict and up to 5 year how many rapist and others will have to go free to make room? And who will pay to keep all that many people locked up? When we can't even find room for the drug offenders.

    1. Re:stuff that is not clearly defined. by Tsingi · · Score: 1

      May make it hard for a jury to convict and up to 5 year how many rapist and others will have to go free to make room? And who will pay to keep all that many people locked up? When we can't even find room for the drug offenders.

      You haven't been paying attention. Jails are corporate run nowadays, we need more people to put in prison so that the prison corporations can make more money, from billing the government (you and I) and free (slave) labour. No rapists will go free. This is how Stalin built a railroad, it works.

    2. Re:stuff that is not clearly defined. by mldi · · Score: 2

      May make it hard for a jury to convict and up to 5 year how many rapist and others will have to go free to make room? And who will pay to keep all that many people locked up? When we can't even find room for the drug offenders.

      You haven't been paying attention. Jails are corporate run nowadays, we need more people to put in prison so that the prison corporations can make more money, from billing the government (you and I) and free (slave) labour. No rapists will go free. This is how Stalin built a railroad, it works.

      This kind of reminds me of an episode of Stargate Atlantis. An off-world government would send people to "jail" for any little crime at all, and at the end, just because they felt like it (and made something up). As it turns out, they needed more bodies for the Wraith to feed on.

      Substitude "Wraith" for "Corporations" and this totally fits with your scenario.

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    3. Re:stuff that is not clearly defined. by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      The problem we are seeing here, I'm fairly certain, is that the congresscritters are being forced to consider these bills in order to retroactively earn their "paychecks" or subsequent "paychecks" will not be forthcoming.

      To put it in acceptable /. terms, recall the Simpsons episode where Lisa takes a trip to WDC and is horrified to learn that "gasp" there are corrupt politicians, bought and paid for by various corporate entities.

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    4. Re:stuff that is not clearly defined. by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Informative
      http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20034694-504083.html

      (CBS/AP) SCRANTON, Pa. - Former juvenile court judge Mark Ciavarella was convicted in an alleged "kids for cash" scheme that accused him and another judge of sending youth offenders to for-profit detention centers in exchange for millions of dollars in illicit payments from the builder and owner of the lockups. ...

      I see your Stargate: Atlantis and raise you real life.

    5. Re:stuff that is not clearly defined. by Lorien_the_first_one · · Score: 1

      We might need a little help from the Fully Informed Jury Association. "The people have the right to decide the facts and the law." If the jury believes the law is bad, they can refuse to convict.

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    6. Re:stuff that is not clearly defined. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Wow what a disgusting creature that "person" is. I hope that vile being is never allowed contact with society again.

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    7. Re:stuff that is not clearly defined. by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, reading more into it, some of the kids were truly innocent, but the judge would "scare them straight" by selling them up the river. A lot committed crimes worthy of community service or time-served in lockup.

  5. { . . . } & go to jail. by Tsingi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What it boils down to, is they can send you to jail if they want to. This is just another hook to let the man fuck you over if you not play the game like a good little plebe.

  6. Only In America by Grindalf · · Score: 0

    This type of legislation is against the rune law or "Spirit Law" as they say in some religions. Voices anybody? :0)

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  7. The government clearly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... wants to stop everyone from communicating over the Internet. Except for licensed corporations, of course.

  8. Looking from Europe ... by foobsr · · Score: 5, Funny

    The best solution for the interest groups involved would perhaps be to declare all of the US a jail (with some islands for the privileged).

    This would be a rather elegant way to get rid of the 'constitution' 'legally'.

    CC.

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    1. Re:Looking from Europe ... by Issarlk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      maybe the US could get pointers from North Korea on how to put 200 milions american to work in camps.

    2. Re:Looking from Europe ... by Geeky · · Score: 1

      Kind of a twist on Wonko The Sane's asylum...

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    3. Re:Looking from Europe ... by dhickman · · Score: 1

      Already done, or at least predicted. www.prisonplanet.com

    4. Re:Looking from Europe ... by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      It's been in the works for quite some time now. There's the serf class, and then there's the political class. What's old has become new again. Make no mistake about it. American Exceptionalim is just that; an exception, a brief moment in time against the natural state of mankind. That natural state is oppression against those outside our immediate sphere of associations (read the Monkey Sphere).

      I'm privileged to be born in this era of humanity. Not many get to taste freedom while it lasts.

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    5. Re:Looking from Europe ... by t2t10 · · Score: 1

      Well, since you're from Europe, you're obviously speaking from experience.

    6. Re:Looking from Europe ... by sourcerror · · Score: 2

      ... and solve the unemployment problem all at once ... genious ...

    7. Re:Looking from Europe ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The best solution for the interest groups involved would perhaps be to declare all of the US a jail

      They're working on it:
      http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/11/06/02/1227257/School-Super-Asks-Governor-To-Make-His-School-District-a-Prison

    8. Re:Looking from Europe ... by Anarchduke · · Score: 1

      I've been to Arkansas, thought this had been done already.

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    9. Re:Looking from Europe ... by cHALiTO · · Score: 1

      The best solution for the interest groups involved would perhaps be to declare all of the US a jail (with some islands for the rich).

      This would be a rather elegant way to get rid of the 'constitution' 'legally'.

      CC.

      FTFY

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    10. Re:Looking from Europe ... by X86Daddy · · Score: 2

      They kinda already did... there's a 100 mile radius of all "border crossings" that's considered outside of Constitutional protections, so the north border, the south border, the coasts, and everywhere close enough to an airport, and the government has declared it can violate its founding document there. The courts upheld challenges to this. Here, found it: http://www.aclu.org/national-security_technology-and-liberty/are-you-living-constitution-free-zone

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    11. Re:Looking from Europe ... by Amouth · · Score: 1

      you know.. around here they state is looking at requiring community service hours for people collecting unemployment.. (something like 12 hours a month not much really)

      some of the people who responded to it where quoted along the lines of "its not really unemployment if you have to work for it"

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    12. Re:Looking from Europe ... by Gr33nJ3ll0 · · Score: 1

      Luckily I live in the heartland!

    13. Re:Looking from Europe ... by elsurexiste · · Score: 1

      The best solution for the interest groups involved would perhaps be to declare all of the US a jail (with some islands for the privileged).

      Unfortunately, those who live in such islands would be equally imprisoned, as a substantial part of the country will be barred to them.

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    14. Re:Looking from Europe ... by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      Are you living in Hungary as well? :)

    15. Re:Looking from Europe ... by delinear · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I'm sure those who live in mansions are often devastated that they can't safely walk through the ghettos. Then they go back to swimming in money and the mood soon passes.

    16. Re:Looking from Europe ... by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      1% of the US Adult population is in jail 3.1% are on parole ... so they are working on it ...

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    17. Re:Looking from Europe ... by elsurexiste · · Score: 1

      Got your point and agree with you, money can buy you entertainment. But I've talked with people in their low and mid twenties, from the upper decile in income, who have lived all their lives in closed neighborhoods. They are bored all the time, or have stunningly boring lifestyles. Older fellas are just accustomed to live in a Tupperware and are terrified to leave it, making excuses up like safety and stuff like that. The young ones, at least an important segment of them, do feel the isolation when they are in their little island, and specially when they talk and hang around with a mid-income fella like me.

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    18. Re:Looking from Europe ... by Amouth · · Score: 1

      NC USA

      --
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    19. Re:Looking from Europe ... by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      More than 100 miles from the nearest international airport?

    20. Re:Looking from Europe ... by sqrt(2) · · Score: 1

      The problem I have with that isn't the idea that people should do their part to earn the support they receive, or that the unemployed could be used to make their community better while they look for work, the problem I have is the perverse incentive it creates for the government not to fix unemployment so that it can maintain its army of below minimum-wage slaves to dig ditches and build prisons. Why not just create official government jobs for those people, most are highly skilled (but low educated) workers displaced from manufacturing and construction, and we have a ton of infrastructure that needs built and rebuilt. We could have full employment in this country, but capitalism never allows that; there is always kept a reserve of unemployed to drive wages down and make workers fear losing their job and being replaced and thus willing to accept bad conditions, lower pay, and less benefits.

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    21. Re:Looking from Europe ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think it isn't a prison? What comes in and out is strictly controlled, and you need their permission (passport) to leave.

    22. Re:Looking from Europe ... by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Your comment (along with its moderation of +5 Funny) should be bookmarked and viewed again in 50 (maybe even 30?) years time. I am betting nobody will be laughing then.

      You comment is extraordinarily insightful.

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    23. Re:Looking from Europe ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're one of those people who still think America is "the land of the free"?

  9. 9viewsonly.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    is the name of the video site I'm going to launch!

    1. Re:9viewsonly.com by guybrush3pwood · · Score: 1

      You, sir, are a genius!

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      Perhaps I'm trolling, perhaps I'm not.
    2. Re:9viewsonly.com by halfEvilTech · · Score: 1

      just put a counter on there and you are set

      for(i10, i=0, i++)
      {
      play video link
      }
      delete video link

      pardon my psuedo code for being sloppy, I haven't coded in nearly a dozen years

    3. Re:9viewsonly.com by SuricouRaven · · Score: 0

      *twitch*

      I cound two syntax errors and one serious bug on the first line alone...

      for(int i=0;i Play_video_link();
      Delete_video_link();

      There are no hard rules for writing pseudocode, so you can be flexible with the grammar, but you got the for() parameters wrong. Your loop would have... hmm. I think never run even once, as the i=0 would itsself return 0, which is usually evaluated as a false.

    4. Re:9viewsonly.com by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      The anglebracket chopped out a chunk of my fixed code.

    5. Re:9viewsonly.com by value · · Score: 1

      That would not protect from race conditions.

  10. Yeah, right. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    "... supporters of the bill insist that's not who will be targeted with this bill..."

    If it's written that way, sooner or later somebody will enforce it that way. They always have.

  11. Technically inept and Corporate apathy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Legal framework wrangling for the myopic entertainment industry aside, why is it none of the top 10 major tech firms in existence have come out guns blazing, calling out both industry and politicians on these half-assed worded bills?

    I try really hard, EVERY DAY, not to become more cynical of our system, but my confidence that common sense will ultimately prevail is continuously getting beaten to a pulp.

    What can I, a lowly citizen and IT Admin, possibly do at this point to make a difference?

    1. Re:Technically inept and Corporate apathy by Roblimo · · Score: 1

      Multiply your vote by getting involved in party activities not just during election seasons, but between them. That's when candidates are proposed and selected and party platforms get written. By attending monthly meetings, and maybe going out for a drink or three with people you meet at those meetings, you can multiply your one vote by 100. Do any kind of election work or donate to candidates with whom you agree, and the multiplier is even greater.

      Call our form of government a Democracy or a Republic. Up to you. Either way, it's a do-it-yourself, "lots of assembly required" system.

      You can also do political theater. Example - I am planning to stand by the side of the road, in an area where political sign-wavers are common around here (Bradenton, FL) with a large sign that says KILL SOCIAL SECURITY - VOTE REPUBLICAN.

      Another thing I'm considering is dressing as a witch doctor and doing exorcisms: FOUL REPUBLICAN SPIRITS COME OUT!!!

      Every little bit helps. :)

       

    2. Re:Technically inept and Corporate apathy by tepples · · Score: 1

      Multiply your vote by getting involved in party activities not just during election seasons, but between them. That's when candidates are proposed and selected and party platforms get written.

      The major news media share corporate parents with the major movie studios. (Citation available upon request.) I understand that people vote for a candidate that they've heard of. I have reason to believe that if a candidate adopts a platform that the major news media or their corporate parents don't like, the major news media won't give that candidate a chance to get the word out. Do you remember the Republican primary debates from 2008, when Ron Paul couldn't get a word in edgewise?

    3. Re:Technically inept and Corporate apathy by Roblimo · · Score: 1

      I was in the third row at the St. Petersburg CNN/YouTube 2008 Republican debate, right behind Chuck Norris. Ron Paul barely spoke up. When he did, moderator Anderson Cooper gave him speaking time. And in the "press" area afterwards, where reporters were doing one-on-one interviews, Ron Paul didn't show, so no one interviewed him.

      And maybe he did TV advertising somewhere, but I don't recall a single Ron Paul TV spot in Manatee County, Florida, part of the Tampa Bay regional TV market.

      Ron Paul was not an effective campaigner in 2008.

    4. Re:Technically inept and Corporate apathy by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Let's see, the top 10 tech companies are: Samsung, HP, Hitachi, IBM, Sony, Toshiba, Panasonic, Dell, Foxconn, Nokia. The only one of them that would seem to have any interest at all in this would be Sony, and I don't think they will be pressing for the things you want.

    5. Re:Technically inept and Corporate apathy by delinear · · Score: 1

      When you only have two parties to choose from and both want roughly the same goals, participating in the process seems a lot like theatre designed to make you think your voice is being heard while those in power divide up your rights between themselves.

    6. Re:Technically inept and Corporate apathy by phek · · Score: 1

      that's only based on revenue. top 10 by market cap is apple, quanta, microsoft, google, ibm, asus, oracle, samsung, intel, cisco. 3 of the top 4 have a heavily vested interest in this. Even ibm, asus, intel and cisco have a slightly vested interest in it. Oh also, Sony only has about 12% of the market cap that apple has.

    7. Re:Technically inept and Corporate apathy by bws111 · · Score: 1

      I still can't see any reason why any of those companies care about for-profit copyright infringement. Do you actually think a significant portion of their business is commercial copyright infringers?

  12. Misused by Someone+Awful · · Score: 0

    Why is misused in quotes?

  13. Spirit of the Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mean, Conniving, Untrusting, Coercion, Padding pockets are some of the words that come to mind. Fuck it, I will stop altogether watching any movies. How do yo like that? Its all shit anyway, garbage. There is nothing new in the way of concept and storylines. ITS ALL CRAP.

  14. Re: & go to jail. by plunderscratch · · Score: 1

    Absolutely. Everyone is guilty of something, even those who maintain their righteousness and purity at every opportunity.

    Just another stick that can be pulled out and used to beat you with when it suits them and ignored the rest of the time.

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    Guns don't kill people! Admins do!
  15. Lobbyists... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lobbyists have destroyed this country. These groups only exist to protect and promulgate their own special interests. They have deep pockets and can exert unfair influence over the laws of this nation. What should be outlawed is the ability for lobbyists to exist and operate as they do today. I get that our representatives don't necessarily understand all the complex issues and nuances of everything that comes across their desk, but you can't have groups with only their own interests in mind leading/shaping the discussion. Our government is broken, and there's no one with the backbone and/or ability to fix it.

  16. The supporters are Lying by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    IF they are not Lying, then change the bill to close that loophole.

    If they refuse to then they are bold faced liars. It really is as simple as that.

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    1. Re:The supporters are Lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with that is linking to a video and embedding a video are the same thing. The initial focus is to stop embedding; being able to easily stop linking in the future is merely an added bonus.

  17. They had it coming by TemperedAlchemist · · Score: 1

    Y'know, as things worsen, I'm deeply considering constructing Skynet. Lock me up when I have my trigger finger on an AI that's just waiting to blow you to bits.

  18. What chance of escape? by Coisiche · · Score: 1

    It's not even possible to feel smug about it from outside the US.

    I'm in the UK and you can be sure if I ever embedded infringing material on Facebook then I'd be promptly handed over to US justice if they requested it. While there have been high profile cases against extradition I'm not sure that any have been completely stopped. They are, at best, ongoing.

    1. Re:What chance of escape? by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      Yes extradition is a real threat in the EU. You can be accused of a crime in Poland, and the UK Judge has no choice, by law, but to deport you to that member state. Extradition to the US is more complicated, but still a danger.

      Personally I think that's bullshit. "There's nothing I can do; I must comply with the law" has been used too many times by Judges, lawyers, police, et cetera. Yes there IS something you can do.

      You can refuse to comply with unjust laws.
      It's called nullification -
      refuse to obey unconstitutional or unnatural laws.

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    2. Re:What chance of escape? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's something the victim can do, too. These people aren't immune and invincible. If someone enforces an unjust law and puts me in prison there might be extrajudicial consequences for said person.

  19. Why stop there? by Yaddoshi · · Score: 2

    Soon they'll be pressing charges against us for infringing on their intellectual property by thinking about the movie we just watched after we leave the theater without paying some sort of license to do so.

    I mean really - they're gonna ruin some kid's life because the kid misused an embed tag? Really? Doesn't the "Justice" system have a better way to use their time and spend our tax dollars? Clownshoes.

    1. Re:Why stop there? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Ha! I've got them beat. I'm thinking about the latest crop of movies and I haven't seen them at all! What's that knocking? ..... What do you mean, "under arrest for depriving the entertainment industry of deserved profits"?

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    2. Re:Why stop there? by heathen_01 · · Score: 1

      misused an embed tag?

      The only tag you can misuse is the <blink> tag

  20. Let me ask it clearly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my country, there's something like "binding duty" (sorry, don't know English nor US Legalese enough to translate -- btw, this is a personal, just MHO post unrelated to other people/organizations.

    It means a policeman cannot ignore a crime in front of him, nor just let go a criniminal for any reason, for he will expelled from Police and charged with a crime accusation (negligence, accomplicity, etc.).

    > Obviously, supporters of the bill insist that's not who will be targeted with this bill

    Once written, these guys won't even be reachable for comments. The law will have to be applied, or else law agents will be punished. At least, that's the way it works (should work?) in my country.

    Invent a guillotine and prepare your neck.

  21. War on Drugs by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    Impossible to enforce, fills our jails, burdens our tax system, and is a total failure...

    why not start another one of these

    1. Re:War on Drugs by polebridge · · Score: 1

      But just like in the war on drugs, there will be golden opportunities to scrape off a few bucks as the money goes flying around to build up a bureaucracy, buy more assault rifles and urban tanks, build more jails, and bamboozle the taxpayers. Follow the money.

    2. Re:War on Drugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Makes billions for politicans, law enforcment, private for profit prisons, and an endless stream of security and social companies.

      Start one? Hell. we're starting 5.

  22. How did I allow it? by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think you allowed successive elected representatives to gradually erode any form of constitutionality

    How did I allow it? A lot of these bills became law before I became old enough to vote, and most of the time since then, the candidate for whom I voted lost the election.

    1. Re:How did I allow it? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      Did you coerce your neighbor into voting properly? I suspect not, therefore it's all your fault.

      --
      Two of my imaginary friends reproduced once ... with negative results.
    2. Re:How did I allow it? by The+Moof · · Score: 1

      Along with that, there's the whole "Lesser of 2 (3? 4?) evils" we get to choose from as a result of balloting procedures. If all candidates are bad and going to pass the bill, who should I to vote for?

    3. Re:How did I allow it? by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Hey, welcome to the political system. Doesn't it feel great to be a part of something that makes a difference?

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      "But this one goes to 11!"
    4. Re:How did I allow it? by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      Well, don't count on the zombie hordes to help you out.. You're pretty much left with an alternative that you are constitutionally prohibited from bringing up.. You will have to learn to communicate telepathically.. or just stay high and don't think about it.. How badly do you want what you're after?

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    5. Re:How did I allow it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aw, come on! The GP was just trying to rationalize his own lack of action by convincing himself that a) everything's lost already, and b) it's the fault of everyone else (like you), not him. And now you're raining on his parade by pointing out the flaws in his reasoning.

      Show some heart, man!

    6. Re:How did I allow it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Voter coercion is against the law.

    7. Re:How did I allow it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good for you, so what are you going to do about it? The rest of us have to put up with our countries bowing to whatever the US dictates because they've got more nukes than anyone else. We sure as hell can't stop you, it is up to you guys to do something about it.

  23. Express your view by bhengh · · Score: 3

    Let your representatives know what your view is here: https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/112/s978

    1. Re:Express your view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hilarious. Like politicians would listen to citizens when they get massive bribes from corporations. They won't listen unless their wellbeing or money is threatened in a significant way.

    2. Re:Express your view by MaDeR · · Score: 1

      "They won't listen unless their wellbeing or money is threatened in a significant way."
      When you will threaten them, you will bacome terrorist.

      --
      What modern Obelix would say today? Of course, "Those crazy Americans!".
  24. Re:what can I do by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    This is it, what I've been calling Superclick.

    If they pass it (and a few patches), it's the Grand Slam end to all Web 2.0.

    As long as the law was only about uploaders, the viewing public was safe. But if they switch it to make linking a crime, and by extension clicking unauthorized copies, all sharing will end instantly except the Johnny Mnemonic Low-Tek rebels.

    It will instantly slice down YouTube to a mix of corporate accounts and little guys.

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  25. wake up and take responsibility by t2t10 · · Score: 1

    No, more likely the UK would itself charge and convict you, since UK laws are at least as draconian; no need to extradite you. Theses kinds of laws are massive cases of policy laundering. Britain (and Europe) are at least as much at fault here as the US.

    Take responsibility for your own country instead of believing the propaganda that this is all America's fault.

  26. Re: & go to jail. by kent_eh · · Score: 2

    So if everything is already illegal, and everyone is already guilty of something, then it doesn't really matter what I do. They'll arrest me when they decide it's my time.

    Meanwhile, I can do whatever I want.

    Cue Bart Simpson laugh...

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  27. Why are lawmakers like this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is Congress constantly insisting that they can perform brain surgery with a sledgehammer....

    While the brain can be adequately extracted with this method, any reconstruction or reuse is simply impossible.

    1. Re:Why are lawmakers like this? by JockTroll · · Score: 1

      While the brain can be adequately extracted with this method, any reconstruction or reuse is simply impossible.

      From that fateful day when stinking bits of slime first crawled from the sea and shouted to the cold stars, "I am man!," our greatest dread has always been the knowledge of our mortality. But tonight, we shall hurl the gauntlet of science into the frightful face of death itself. Tonight, we shall ascend into the heavens. We shall mock the earthquake. We shall command the thunders, and penetrate into the very womb of impervious nature herself.

      --
      Geeks are so full of shit that "beating the crap out of them" takes a whole new meaning.
  28. Brought to you in part... by kosty · · Score: 1

    by your friendly Prison Industrial Complex. Motto: "Incarceration cures all!" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison–industrial_complex

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    "Democracy." It's just a slogan.
  29. Selective Enforcement by flaming+error · · Score: 1

    Agreed. If they don't want to prosecute them, don't make them criminals. The worst "laws" are the ones that are not enforced except at the government's whim.

  30. The New Constitution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i) Corporations have a right to make a profit.
    ii) People have a right to ensure that corporations make a profit.
    iii) Changes to these clauses or introduction of claueses weakening these rights will be null and void.

  31. Grow a pair and call for a boycott by jkinney3 · · Score: 2
    I am astounded that the /. crowd has not been calling for an absolute boycott of ALL media from ALL labels who sign on to these kinds of bills.

    Put down the mp3 player and streaming video toys and pick up an instrument. If you want entertainment, get creative and make your own. Then you can do all the sharing you want with content you make.

    Like it or not, whining about "they are taking away my perceived rights" on /. will have no effect on the people who are writing this legislation. But if the people who are supposed to be paying for this content all say loudly in one voice "Your content is crap and I don't want it" and then grow a pair and stick to their convictions and DON'T WATCH THE CONTENT FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BACKING THIS LEGISLATION IN ANY FORM, the loss of 10-20 million viewers will have an impact the longer it keeps up. The only language those people understand is cash. They think they are getting less than they deserve so they buy votes. We outnumber them so remind them they exist because we allow them to. It's not like your life will end if you don't hear/view the latest "thing".

    Besides, if /. started looking around and something other than the media content this is about, you might notice there's a lot of stuff that geeks can do to keep crap like this from expanding.

    Walk away. Nothing to see here. Literally

    1. Re:Grow a pair and call for a boycott by boristdog · · Score: 1

      I've been saying this for years. And living it.

    2. Re:Grow a pair and call for a boycott by archer,+the · · Score: 1

      Sounds good. I've got a list of 35 media items (audio & video) I'd like to purchase. Seeing this, I'm deleting the list & going without.

    3. Re:Grow a pair and call for a boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm never buying music again. If I didn't have a girlfriend I'd give up movies and cable TV entirely.

      I don't need Hollywood. I don't need the overinflated prices for concessions at their theaters. I don't need the useless publicity-agent pushed news stories about celebrities blaring at me from the television an internet on a regular basis. I don't need the restrictions Hollywood and other media corporations wish to place on me as a person just so I have the privilege to sit down in a hot, overcrowded movie theater with idiots talking on cell phones and stupid kids screaming to see movie involving fake people in fake places with fake sound effects, shitty soundtrack music, and even more fake acting, and then pay twice what I paid for that movie ticket so I can recreate that experience at home. Seriously, who has time for this shit? Movies exist for soccer moms to entertain their spolied, obese kids and give young men something to take females to in order to give the term "going out on a date" any meaning other than "I want to try to have sex with you." Don't need any of it.

        It's called "entertainment" because it's supposed to be fun, but things like this are showing the true purpose of the "entertainment industry," which is not to entertain, but to control.

    4. Re:Grow a pair and call for a boycott by uglyMood · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem with this line of thinking is that any loss of revenue is immediately attributed to piracy, regardless of the facts. Case in point: the music industry. They've mostly been putting out autotuned garbage for the past 15 years, and when sales slumped because nobody wanted to pay twenty bucks for identical vocals that sound like they come out of a kazoo it was blamed on those darned music pirates. The entertainment industry needs piracy to cover for the fact that it's cheaper to produce utter crap no one wants than to produce quality work. A few arrests here and there merely reinforce the illusion that piracy is having a major impact on their sales.

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    5. Re:Grow a pair and call for a boycott by heathen_01 · · Score: 1

      The stupid people need protection too, and they outnumber the /. crowd. Left to their own devices they will elect the charasmatic person as leader who will screw all of us.

      I don't want to retreat into an enclave of people who ignore copyright. We should fight against those who would lock up our culture and deny it to future generations.

    6. Re:Grow a pair and call for a boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree completely, and I generally do not participate in the mass media. The problem is, I still feel outrage at this kind of thing because I have concern for the people that are brainwashed by the media companies, and who are still getting the royal screw from them, no matter what boycotts we may participate in here on /. It is not enough for the educated among us to boycott this kind of behavior, because they will still make billions from raping everybody else. The only solution is to stop the activity, or it will only get worse. Even boycotting their media, they will still find a way to get their money out of you, like taxes on blank media or on internet connections, because they will assume you must be a pirate if you are not giving them money.

    7. Re:Grow a pair and call for a boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boycotts never work. The bulk of the public simply doesn't care, and never will do. There's always something new to consume, and spent their earnings on.

    8. Re:Grow a pair and call for a boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Your point is even more valid given that since 2000, music and other forms of media have taken a steady turn for the worse, yet at the same time, we are seeing really good things come from the community at large. Take Xbox Live Arcade for example. I haven't seen such an excellent collection of games since the SNES and early PSX days and these are from people that wouldn't have seen the light of day in this industry from those days. In what other time can someone become famous or rich from content that they create themselves? I think the tactics played by the music and movie industry is a blessing in disguise. If we leave them alone, they will eventually asphyxiate on their own fecal matter.

    9. Re:Grow a pair and call for a boycott by Phisbut · · Score: 1

      The problem with your solution is if there is a massive boycott, the entertainment industry will see its profits decline, then it will blame it on piracy, and will use that to have even more draconian laws enacted. It's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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      - The Tao of Programming
    10. Re:Grow a pair and call for a boycott by imric · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up... Please?

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    11. Re:Grow a pair and call for a boycott by DreadPiratePizz · · Score: 2

      "DON'T WATCH THE CONTENT FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BACKING THIS LEGISLATION IN ANY FORM" It's not that cut and dry. I work in the movie industry, and my union asked me to support the legislation. I wrote back and not only declined to support it, but actively opposed it. So sure. Don't watch my stuff just because SOME of the people working on it don't agree with you. How about you watch what you like, and oppose the laws with your representative?

    12. Re:Grow a pair and call for a boycott by johnhp · · Score: 1

      I think that people have been doing that to varying extents, and the MPAA just chalks that up as a further loss from piracy.

      "They're not buying it, which means they're stealing it!"

    13. Re:Grow a pair and call for a boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The inherent nature of media makes people believe they have an ownership stake in the culture they are consuming. And so they do.

    14. Re:Grow a pair and call for a boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm boycotting since a few years already.
      I don't buy music, I don't download it either. Unfortunately, most people who claim to fight the MAFIAA are show-offs who don't do anything. They think by downloading instead of buying music, they're somehow boycotting. They're not.

      1) Downloading hurts your credibility. You can find plenty of reasons to explain why downloading should not be illegal, and you can convince a lot of people of that. However, like it or not, a lot of people will always think you're not entitled to an artist's music and if an artist wants you to buy his music or do without it, then you should respect his wishes. Again, you can convince these people file-sharing should be legal, but you won't convince them it's right or respectful of artists. So when you claim you download music, you sound like a selfish jerk to the people you're trying to convince and they won't take you seriously.

      2) By downloading, you're telling the people you are fighting (i.e. MAFIAA) that you NEED their music. If the MAFIAA thinks you need their music, they will think they can win this fight. "Whoever holds the resources makes the rules". So while downloading doesn't give any money to the MAFIAA, it encourages them to keep fighting. They believe that in order to win, they just need to make laws so strict you will never dare to break them. They also believe if they win, you won't boycott them because you need their music too much.

      3) By downloading, you're placing yourself in a position where the MAFIAA could sue you for plenty of money. That would make them stronger. Some publishers even seem to make a business out of it: "Make music, let people download it, sue them, profit".

      4) As long as you listen to music, you will most likely end up advertising that music one way or another. You might tell your friends about a band you've just discovered, you might make them listen to it.... And your friends might buy the album instead of downloading it for free.

      So what to do?
      A full boycott is the only way.
      - Be very selective in which music you buy and which artists you support. Don't buy albums distributed through publishers, buy only albums distributed by the artists themselves. Don't buy albums from artists who think downloading should be illegal and who support strict copyright laws. Don't buy concert tickets or derived products from artists who stand for what you fight against. Which artists you boycott depends what you're fighting for, but make sure you don't buy the wrong album or anything from the wrong band or publisher.

      - Don't download any music from bands or publishers that you are boycotting. Your boycott must be FULL or else it hurts the fight against copyright laws. I explained above why this is bad.

      - Don't even talk about music you're boycotting. Don't tell friends about it... If you're zealous enough, don't say artist or song names in any circumstances. Do not promote them AT ALL.

      - You don't have to get rid of the music you currently own. Now that it's been bought or downloaded, it doesn't matter. But don't advertise it to your relatives if it's from a band you want to boycott. Of course, if you're willing to live a whole year with absolutely no music, as a stunt that makes the statement you don't need music, that's good. If you feel like destroying all your CDs on video and upload it to Youtube to make a statement, it's good too.

      - Tell people every chance you get that you are boycotting. Tell them how much music you used to buy, how much money you'd have normally given the music industry had you not been boycotting. When the MAFIAA realize they're losing money AND can't hope to win this fight, they'll change their ways (or, as a business, they will die).

      What else can you do besides boycotting?
      Promote and support artists who stand for what you fight for. Tell your friends about them, buy their merchandise, go see them in concert. Show everyone that artists who stand for the right things will make money, while those who stand for the wrong thi

    15. Re:Grow a pair and call for a boycott by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      I've pretty much stopped watching TV. I mean I still have a DVR and it's approaching capacity, but I just can't be bothered to watch any of that crap.

      It's much more fun (and I say this with only a very tiny bit of my tongue in my cheek) to watch my society tear itself apart at the seams, here on Slashdot.

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    16. Re:Grow a pair and call for a boycott by randyleepublic · · Score: 0

      I agree. This tears it. No more music unless the artist only releases *recordings* with some kind of public domain license. Then, I'll pay to see them perform. All of my old favorites can kiss my ass. Oh, and as for movies? No more movies ever again. I'm done.

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  32. Intent vs whats written by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

    When they say "that not the intent", then modify the bill so that it's words match the intent. Nobody is going to give a shit what you meant to write, they're going to look at what you actually wrote down on paper.

    1. Re:Intent vs whats written by Phisbut · · Score: 1

      When they say "that not the intent", then modify the bill so that it's words match the intent. Nobody is going to give a shit what you meant to write, they're going to look at what you actually wrote down on paper.

      In a land of common law (as opposed to civil law), what the words say does not matter, it's how the judges interpret it that makes it law. Even if they change the wording of the law, if a judge interprets it as meaning it should also apply to people linking to YouTube, then you're screwed. The only thing that can save if is if a jury of your peers share your opinion on the matter.

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  33. So I've been thinking by dyingtolive · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been thinking about these kinds of problems that plague civilization when corporations have a louder voice than humans, and are able to manhandle laws into doing everything they can to keep the plebs in their places. The problem to me appears to be that corporations are completely amoral, and dedicated toward doing absolutely whatever it takes to make as much money as possible. They do this due to their obligations to the shareholders. I'm going to pause along this train of thought to abuse the corollary: Somewhere along the line, "The customer is always right", transformed into, "the shareholder is always right."

    Basically what I'm getting at here is that I now believe that in order to effect change, the only way to proceed is to play their same game against them. I propose creating a holdings company, getting it classified as a NPO, and then using donations generated by those interested in the lofty goals of the organization to purchase stock in the companies that are causing the problems. Any and all dividends made from the stock would go toward operational costs of the organization itself, and any surplus would go toward purchasing additional stock. The purpose of this is to be able to try to lobby within the stockholder's meetings with the stockholders themselves, and at worst case and assuming that the organization has enough stock to do so, threaten to tank the company by liquidating the stock for pennies. I'm no market analyst, but I'm pretty sure that it would play havoc with all the automated trading systems were a couple thousand shares of stock to be put out there for 1% of the current asking price.

    Anyway, I thought I'd leave this here, figuring that if anyone was cynical enough to be able to shred this to pieces, it'd be Slashdot. Obviously, it has flaws. I'm no genius, and it was just something that came to me the other day, so I've hardly spent much time considering it.

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    1. Re:So I've been thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a bad idea. Similar to the idea of "copyleft" or using copyright law to *encourage* copying.

    2. Re:So I've been thinking by mepperpint · · Score: 1

      Seems like you should weigh the pros and cons of selling it on the open market. Depending on the portion of the company owned, you may well be better off threatening to donate it to some entity that they would not want owning a portion of the company, such as a competitor.

    3. Re:So I've been thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it legal to deliberately crash someone's stock?

    4. Re:So I've been thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the problem is your plan can be rephrased as "Buy any company that does evil things, if you can't get a controlling share, threaten to kamikaze your shares in a way that would reduce the value of others shareholders' shares".

      Not bad, but it takes might take too much money up front.

    5. Re:So I've been thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...I propose creating a holdings company...using donations generated by those interested in the lofty goals of the organization to purchase stock in the companies that are causing the problems...and at worst case...threaten to tank the company by liquidating the stock for pennies.

      Brilliant, if your intention is to burn money. Say for example that you're able to buy any "significant" portion of a stock, maybe Time Warner (for the purpose of argument, let's say 10% is significant). They have over a billion shares of common stock outstanding at about $35 a share. So, you raise the $3.5B needed in order to strong arm these greedy studio execs, then sell all of your stock for pennies. And who bought your stock? Active trading houses who gladly slurp up all of your shares the moment it hits the market, or sooner ;). And what are you left with? Empty pockets. And what have you done to Time Warner? Absolutely nothing, since they are already fully capitalized on the intial sale of the stock. Remember, the secondary stock market doesn't really have much to do with the financial condition of the company directly.

    6. Re:So I've been thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're naive. Since a tiny percentage of people own the vast majority of money, this cannot work. We, the "little" people could never raise the amount of money corrupt banks and investors use as chump change. Plus, "they" control the system by whose rules you want to play. They can change the rules whenever they want. For example they could outlaw such activities or use existing laws that already exist to bring down your company. Hell, they could simply flood you with frivolous lawsuits that'll drain all your money.

      The only way to win this game is to eliminate the other side using means outside their corrupt rules.

    7. Re:So I've been thinking by dyingtolive · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I see your point. As another person posted, it might be more advantageous to threaten to sell it to a competitor. I realize that it won't affect the company directly, so I guess the hope would be to scare the other shareholders enough that they don't call my bluff. This is exactly the reason why I posted this here though.

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    8. Re:So I've been thinking by dyingtolive · · Score: 1

      Okay. How well has that been working so far? What methods for doing so do you propose?

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    9. Re:So I've been thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cut out the middle-man (buying stocks in troubling corporations) and buy the politicians directly - then you're on to something.

      And the politician are much cheaper.

    10. Re:So I've been thinking by imric · · Score: 1

      True. The NRA is a gigantic, truly grassroots lobbying organization that exists to serve the interests of it's members (mainly to protect the 2nd amendment). It works, too.

      An NRA-like lobbying organization to counter 'IP' abuses (soft / process patents, infinitely extended copyrights, media company abuses of the legal system, etc, etc) just might work!

      Of course, the media companies will try to get such a group classified as a terrorist organization, but still...

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    11. Re:So I've been thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been doing something similar for years having worked for employers that........were / are not employee friendly. I bought and continue to buy their stock whenever possible. When it's time to vote as a stock holder, I vote against every damn one of the board of directors, CEO, etc., then check what the board recommends and vote against all those too.

      They ship my job off shore? FUCK THEM!! With every share I can!! TWICE !! I'm buying more of their stock and try to fight with the system....or at least do what I can to be a pain in their ass.

    12. Re:So I've been thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm how about they have you charged with coercion or extortion?

    13. Re:So I've been thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly Slashdot readers are not getting. Corporations do not have a louder voice than humans, or more privileges, or are exempt from the same rules. It is *HUMANS* who are getting these privileges. It is those who run the corporations who are manipulating the rest of the population, for *THEIR* own benefit. There's no such thing as a living entity that is a corporation. It does not benefit. All the benefits PASS THROUGH TO HUMANS who are abusing the rest of us.

    14. Re:So I've been thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corporations don't lobby for laws, people working at corporations do. These people have names and addresses. The addresses are flammable. Just saying...

    15. Re:So I've been thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I propose this company have the lofty goal of mining asteroids. Why? To advance science of course!

    16. Re:So I've been thinking by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Friended you based on this post. Thought you should know.

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  34. I can safely say the law will not get misused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will get used exactly as intended, and you who talk about it being misused are foolish for believing that it is intended for anything other than what it will be used for.

    If they didn't intend it to be used for all and every case they could have, and would have, included caveats.

    Your 'representatives' pull this trick every time and every time you fall for it. It's no good voting for other 'representatives' because they will do exactly the same thing.

    You thought you were living in a democracy but you aren't. You are living in an oligarchy with a voting feature to mislead you into believing otherwise - and it works. It keeps you quiet enough for them to pursue their agenda.

  35. Re:Government involvement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You've missed the point where the RIAA and MPAA have become the government.

  36. Re: & go to jail. by Tsingi · · Score: 1

    So if everything is already illegal, and everyone is already guilty of something, then it doesn't really matter what I do. They'll arrest me when they decide it's my time.

    Meanwhile, I can do whatever I want.

    "I can't complain, but sometimes still do..." Joe Walsh

    Correction, If your Maserati does 185, you can do whatever you want, for the rest of us, no you can't.

  37. Face book and others by diewlasing · · Score: 1

    How does this affect them, when they allow you to post videos and what not?

    1. Re:Face book and others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yer goin to jail

  38. Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If my unemployment ever runs out, I will get myself into the system easily. Free boarding, food, health care and awesome library.

  39. This video was viewed more than 10 times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We know this for a fact, because we alone saw it 30 times.

  40. We have a gun aimed at your head by hyp3rhippo · · Score: 1

    but don't worry, we wont shoot

  41. The obvious loophole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The easiest way to get around this law would be to have or use a video hosting site that doesn't track view count. They'd be unable to prove that ten people watched it.

  42. Since you know... by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 1

    ...our jails aren't overcrowded enough, lets start throwing in every other internet user.

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  43. Wow - scary stuff by KeenDawg · · Score: 1

    Talk about scary - is everyone supposed to be an expert in copyright law?

    1. Re:Wow - scary stuff by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      Talk about scary - is everyone supposed to be an expert in copyright law?

      Yes, you are expected to know which YouTube videos are posted legally and which aren't. Make a mistake, and it's off to jail for you.

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    2. Re:Wow - scary stuff by St.Creed · · Score: 1

      No - that's the best part of it. It's a "go to jail when I want you to" ticket for those in power. Sort of like in North Korea, China and the Mid-East. Except that in China and the Mid-East the people are getting restless about it.

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    3. Re:Wow - scary stuff by gregor-e · · Score: 1

      Ignorance of the law is no defense for anything. You are expected to know and follow all the laws. If you're unfamiliar with the laws that govern your behavior, just ask your local representative for a copy of all the laws. I'm sure they'd be happy to accommodate your wishes.

    4. Re:Wow - scary stuff by imric · · Score: 1

      Well, that stuff is all copyrighted, so...

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  44. Send google to jail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, we could get sent to jail for linking to a youtube video while youtube brings in millions from the studios. Makes perfect sense.

  45. BUMMER - The Death Of Pizza Movie Night by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We entertain friends and neighbors - get a movie, buy pizza - but by definition (10 folks+ within 180 days, 'public' performance), I guess I get a "GOTO JAIL CARD".

  46. imbeding video by linking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I knew this was the freedom I was fighting for, I would have Joined the Insurgents.
    I also never heard one man say he joined the army so police could inter his home without a warrant.

    I no longer believe Americans know what freedom means or what it is,
    Well At least I have some solace in know some people in this world rise up and kill these kind of cock suckers.

  47. Absurd by guttentag · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Consider This Scenario

    I want my friend to see a really funny movie from 20 years ago, but they're not convinced it's worth their time. I search YouTube and I find a video of some highlights, so I send my friend the link to the video. I assume the clips fall under fair use because otherwise YouTube would have pulled them, right?

    My friend watches the video, likes it, goes down to the store and buys the DVD and thanks me for introducing him to it.

    The MPAA "piracy squad" spends all its time searching YouTube for copyrighted videos. It sues YouTube for its records, the logs show that I used their "share" feature to share the link with one person, and that person watched the video twice. The piracy squad watches the video 8 more times and then sicks its lawyers on me. Since I did indeed link to the video, and it was watched 10 times, I am guilty and convicted of a felony. I lose the ability to vote, the ability to work at many jobs, the right to possess firearms, ammunition and body armor, eligibility for welfare, eligibility for federally-funded housing, and the right to serve on a jury. I no longer have any influence in society and am reduced to flipping burgers by day and scanning retail inventory by night to scrape together enough money to live, which presumably keeps me sufficiently occupied to stay out of trouble.

    Meanwhile, the MPAA gets a fee from the sale of the DVD that my friend would never have bought otherwise, they tip the balance of power in government further toward themselves by taking one more voter out of commission, and they strike fear in the hearts of anyone who even thinks about doing anything with video. The only previews you will get to see are the ones they force you to watch every time you pop in a DVD you bought from them.

    Perhaps we could counterbalance this bill by adding language that makes it a felony to disable the FFWD or MENU button on a consumer's remote control. It's at least as criminal an act as linking to some YouTube video: millions of people are forced to watch 30 seconds to 5 minutes of previews every time they want to watch the movies they paid to "own" in their own homes. Sure, you could pop the movie in 5 minutes before you're ready to watch it, but the amount of productivity and electricity this needlessly wastes on a global scale is staggering. That's criminal.

    1. Re:Absurd by swilver · · Score: 1

      ...and that's why you should have just given him a copy of the DVD instead. Untraceable and you donot feed the wallets that make bills like this possible.

  48. How cute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the "/. crowd" is less than 1% of the entertainment industries client base. Your little boycott will have no impact.

    1. Re:How cute by johnhp · · Score: 1

      This single specific call for boycott won't have any impact, but his voice is just another shout going up from an angry mob. Each yell gives the crowd more energy and more potential to eventually lash out in action.

      By the way, your attempts to sound condescending with "how cute" and "little boycott" make you sound like the transvestite from Silence of the Lambs.

  49. I thought the GOP was by log0n · · Score: 1

    pushing for way less government?

    1. Re:I thought the GOP was by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      pushing for way less government?

      They do: They let the corporations write the laws themselves; therefore removing one of the government's jobs.

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    2. Re:I thought the GOP was by bhengh · · Score: 1

      The bill is sponsored by 2 Ds and 1 R: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-978 And remember, the Senate is controlled by Democrats. Not everything is partisan; People from both parties are equally capable of bad law.

  50. Jail Time for Singing "Happy Birthday"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, if this bill passes, and you film & post your family singing "Happy Birthday", and 10 people watch it, you get 5 years jail time?

  51. a grim outlook... by amn108 · · Score: 1

    Honestly, it takes an idiot to not realize that it is precisely such "it won't be the people you think we'll go after tha we'll go after" laws that effectively support a police state bordering on the infamous "new world order" model. Because, if they can, they WILL go after you. If they would want to. Give them a reason, c'mon! Of course simple laws of economy and ROI (let's face it, the modern world is largely a commercial enterprise of sorts) says that a 14 year old kid linking to infringed material on YouTube from a blog post comment will not prompt a court letter, but what if the kid is umm, son of a businessman someone would like to exert some gentle pressure on? you know stuff like that.

    I am not the guy walking around with "the end is nigh, sinners repel!" banner nor do I share their views much, but admit it - it has been proven time and again that often enough world functions by the following "law" - "you are only alive, because no one wants you dead strongly enough." We may argue that it has always been so throughout the history, but in todays world it's far simpler to accomplish - to execute someone or to ruin their lives - than arguably in all other times combined.

  52. now you get to pay to protect their profits, too! by LordofWinterfell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    By making this a criminal instead of civil issue - its not about locking you up - its about getting the government to prosecute copyright infringements instead of the corporation.

    By making linking into a criminal law, now largescale content owners can harness the raw power of the taxpayer dollar - the governement is now the plaintiff, and government laywers are prosecuting on behalf of the corporations. Just like they have done with IP and piracy, by linking their profit protection to criminal matters (the Pirates are stealing our product and selling it on the streets!) they get to defray the costs of protecting their profts, and sic the government on anything they don't want to see happening, like sharing passwords or sharing content, when they could be making profits off of those interactions.

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  53. Law Misuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We've seen MOST laws "misused"."

    FTFY

  54. Time for Atlas to shrug? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."

    I was never an Ayn Rand fan, but she nailed that one. I leave it others to argue whether it was actual prescience or the "stopped clock" effect.

    1. Re:Time for Atlas to shrug? by imric · · Score: 1

      Prescience? ROFL. Quite the opposite.

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    2. Re:Time for Atlas to shrug? by psydeshow · · Score: 1

      I was never an Ayn Rand fan, but she nailed that one. I leave it others to argue whether it was actual prescience or the "stopped clock" effect.

      Try history repeating itself. She witnessed the Russian Revolution and its subsequent twisting by Stalin first-hand.

    3. Re:Time for Atlas to shrug? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      One vote for stopped clock.

    4. Re:Time for Atlas to shrug? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      One vote for... wait... this sort of seems like both.

    5. Re:Time for Atlas to shrug? by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

      Yea, too bad everything else was
      "Oooh the poor corporations and CEOs. If only their hands weren't tied, they would invest all their money in great jobs for everybody. And, they work so hard to get where they are. And it's the dang-blast-it government and socialist ideas that are holding them back - not, pennythin profit margin maximization. Now .. here is John Galt to chunder vitriol over the next 50 pages."

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  55. Fortunately ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... submitting a bill to Congress doesn't mean that its going to get passed. There is no quality control for proposed legislation. One could reasonably expect that, once the relevant committees review this, they'll identify problems related to convicting someone of a crime without proving intent and the whole thing will get killed.

    The kinds of legislation I worry about are where a few sentences get added to some unrelated legislation (some "Feed the Poor, Starving Children" type bill) that sneaks this kind of crap in. In the end, it will probably be struck down by an appeals court. But those accused will have to foot the legal bills to do so.

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  56. Police State by Is0m0rph · · Score: 1

    If by some slim chance this was made into law the US government would effectively be able to throw whomever they wanted to in jail. This person causing trouble? Just slip an imbedded video link into their social account and go arrest them. The last couple administrations have shown they don't care about the US laws and Constitution anyways. They'll do what they want. "Change we can believe in".

  57. Worries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh boy oh boy oh boy. All of this in the Land of the 'free'....
    I worry more and more about my beloved nation across the vastness of the ocean.

  58. Priorities by seeker_1us · · Score: 1

    The average jail time served for rape is 65 months.

    Potential jail time for linking to a youtube video under this law? Up to 60 months.

    1. Re:Priorities by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Fruit flies like a banana.

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  59. We could all fix all of this, you know. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If people could just go without buying their precious entertainment for just a month, it would change the economic and digital world. Media companies couldn't stand two successive disaster months because Wall Street would absolutely destroy them, and so pricing and distribution models could change enough that nobody would bother running afoul of these repressive laws. But no, that's too much to hope for I suppose. C'mon people, let's show a little attention span here please?

  60. Friedman vs Freeman by Calsar · · Score: 2

    This is a clasic issue of business ethics and Friedman vs Freeman is typically cited. In "The Social Responsibility of Business Is to Increase Its Profits" Friedman argues that companies should act in their own self interest and the interest of their share holders. Social issue are only a concern if they are in the self interest of the company. Freeman presents an almost diametrically opposing view in his article "A Stakeholder Theory of the Modern Corporation". Freeman's view is that companies have responsibility to benefit all stakeholders which includes employees, shareholders, vendors, and society in general.

    1. Re:Friedman vs Freeman by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

      >>Friedman vs Freeman
      That was their names? Really, wow. Sort of life imitating art (e.g. Dune) or highly suggestive of art anyways. Freeman is even on the appropriate side of the debate!

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  61. It's really all about YouTube by Plekto · · Score: 1

    This all begs the question as to which competitor to YouTube is paying (I mean supporting their re-election campaign...) the bill's sponsor behind the scenes. Someone wants YouTube shut down and is obviously getting this exact sort of wording put into the bill so that they can do it.

    Remember, it's never about politics or even copyrights these days. It's about power and money.

  62. Well piss on it by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

    Since the punishments are the same I guess I'll just take up bank robbery and mugging people instead. At least then I'll have something to show for my efforts.

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  63. Don't accept "we won't use the law this way" logic by anegg · · Score: 1

    Law enforcement agencies (FBI, et al.) have been quite clear that they feel it is their duty to use any law available in whatever way that they can to catch anyone they believe is breaking those laws. One test of a good bill (you know, the predecessor to a law) is how well it targets the specific behavior that is to be outlawed; many bills (that become law) fail this test. Unfortunately, when these bills become law the "intent" of the lawmakers becomes almost irrelevant - what matters is how the law enforcement agencies and the judicial system interpret them.

    Allowing bills with obvious possibilities for mis-enforcement to become laws is just like taking flawed software and putting it into production. A good software release program wouldn't accept the explanation "we don't think the user will try that combination of inputs" for a flawed software component; we shouldn't accept the legal equivalent in the output from our lawmakers.

    One way to think about legislators is as if they are the worst spaghetti-code lame-o programmers that you know trying to write updates to a big complex operating system. Even the most well-intentioned patches are likely to have unintended consequences (and many of the patches aren't well-intentioned, they are being put in because their friends have convinced them that the patch will be a "cool feature" that benefits less than .1% of the user base).

    If a law can be "misused," it will be misused. If lawmakers pass obviously broken laws, its time to eject those lawmakers and get some new ones. Heck, someday we might even have some who know what they are doing when they are "hacking the legal code."

  64. Re:Government involvement by bws111 · · Score: 2

    Why does the government get involved in auto theft? Why does the government get involved in fraud? Why does the government get involved in assault? Why does the government get involved in trespassing? Do you want to be responsible for the full cost of tracking down and prosecuting someone who committed any of those crimes against you?

  65. I already left. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I already left the U.S. because of this madness.
    Dont you deserve better?

  66. Re:Government involvement by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    Because copyright is a major industry, and thus generates lots of tax money. Better yet, it's a net exporter, which strengthens the US in the global economy. Plus it brings political advantages - media companies carry a lot of weight in deciding who gets favorable coverage in the news and thus has an advantage in elections, so it never hurts a career to win their favor.

  67. Rule one of lawmaking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the side proposing the bill vociferously denies that a bill will be put to some misuse, they have designed the bill with just this misuse in mind.

  68. Re:what can I do by delinear · · Score: 1

    Good. Maybe people will finally start asking questions when they can't watch whatever they want online - they've certainly not cared enough to heed the multiple warnings people in the know have been shouting about for the last decade+. Instead every argument has been met with a "slippery slope" rebuff, well how far down the slope do we have to go before people realise that slippery slope might be a cliché, but sometimes it's true.

  69. Re:Express your view - MOD PARENT UP by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

    pls mod parent informative

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  70. Re: & go to jail. by Kjella · · Score: 1

    They'll arrest me when they decide it's my time. (...) Meanwhile, I can do whatever I want.

    This is not a lottery, that time is whenever you do something they don't want you to do. I don't mean what's illegal, for the most part they don't care unless it threatens them. In fact, quite probably things that are legal like say criticize the system, complain about injustice or demand more civil rights. Oppressive governments all love people who know to keep their head low and don't speak up, as long as you're a loyal pawn they hardly care what you do to other pawns. And don't piss off anyone with more power than you, or you will find your life on the shitlist. As long as you're a good carpet to step on, sure you can have all the freedom you want to crawl around.

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    Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
  71. Search engines and everyone will be in trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think I understand what they are trying to do, and I don't agree with how they are trying to do it.

    I think they are trying to make it so sites that collect torrents, nzb, which then link to content that in infringing are suddenly liable....

    I don't agree with that, and the bigger question is, what about search engines? is google suddenly liable because they indexed some content that someone has an objection to, or infringes on some copyright?

  72. call for a Constitutional Amendment by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

    Effective boycotts are difficult to pull off. It's a reactionary, defensive move anyway. I think going on the offense would be better.

    Propose our own law. And let's go straight to the top, and shoot for a Constitutional Amendment, a "Freedom of Knowledge" Amendment to match the other freedoms of religion, speech and the right to assemble and bear arms. I've tried to draft such an amendment, but there is so much ground to cover that I started getting bogged down in the details. The enemies of freedom have been very inventive. The main thing such an amendment should have is reform of copyright and patent law, which is another reason why it has to be nothing less than a Constitutional Amendment. And the particular reform? Elimination of the monopoly grants. We can set up markets to support art and science without that kind of government interference. Lot of other things could go into such an amendment, but removing the requirement to support artificial monopolies with our taxes is the main issue. We should seriously try for it, not merely use such an effort to negotiate concessions.

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    Intellectual Property is a monopolistic, selfish, and defective concept. It is "tyranny over the mind of man"
  73. Maliciously Embedding Videos In Hacked Sites by Weaselgrease · · Score: 1

    New form of cyber terrorism and domestic internet havoc in 3...2...1...

  74. Insurance by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Why does the government get involved in auto theft? Why does the government get involved in fraud? Why does the government get involved in assault? Why does the government get involved in trespassing? Do you want to be responsible for the full cost of tracking down and prosecuting someone who committed any of those crimes against you?

    No, and the odds are low of those things happening to any one person. It's exactly the situation insurance was invented to handle.

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    My God, it's Full of Source!
    OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
  75. Now I gotta give it up by Blackbrain · · Score: 2

    So a Rick Roll is a federal crime?

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    Where would we be if Wheel had hid her round rock in a cave instead of showing everyone how it rolls?
    1. Re:Now I gotta give it up by Rik+Rohl · · Score: 1

      OI!

  76. The eternal Jew... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who is behind these endless attempts to put people in prison for 'crimes' which most people probably don't think are crimes at all? The eternal Jew...
    The eternal Jew, who never does manual labour, doesn't plant or pick crops, doesn't build houses, doesn't dig roads, doesn't work in a factory...

    The eternal Jew, who controls your money supply, by counterfeiting most of the money in the world into existence, via their fraudulent fractional reserve banking system.

    The eternal Jew, who controls your Congress, so democracy is just an idea in your country now...

  77. We get the government we deserve by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    If you don't like it, change it. Vote for someone with compatible views, or run yourself. Start petition drives or form a PAC, lobby for the rights you want. Find that too hard? Then you deserve the government you get.

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    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

    1. Re:We get the government we deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what exactly are you yourself doing besides donating to someone? (All slashdot readers donate to the EFF right?)

      Sounds like you aren't doing that much yourself so stop acting like it's just other people . Last I checked "Greyfox" was not a name on my local ballot.

  78. Re:Typical Slashdot thugs out in force here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You have committed the ultimate slashdot sin, for which you must be downmodded to hell - you have introduced facts into the whine-a-thon.

  79. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a corporation does it, does anyone there get jail time? Or is this just for citizens?

  80. overcrowd-sourcing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't we already have overcrowding in our jails? Doesn't the prison system already present a huge tax burden? this shit is way out of hand. If the media companies were more creative at adjusting to the online community, they might actually find ways to prosper rather than digging holes for themselves.

  81. Not if, just when... by meerling · · Score: 1

    Every law made that could be abused, has been abused. There's every reason to believe this will be abused as well.

  82. Re: & go to jail. by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

    Its hard to outrun a police helicopter, even if your Maserati does do 185.

  83. The bill doesn't do that by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 1

    You'd think people would have learned by now to not trust any "reporting" on legislation that comes from a Slashdot story. As usual, the story grossly misrepresents what the bill actually does.

    If you aren't streaming commercially, it does not apply to you. Putting a video on your Facebook page, for instance, would not be covered.

    All this bill is really doing is closing a loophole in the existing provisions against commercial piracy, so that you can't get around those provisions by providing a commercial streaming service instead of a commercial copying service.

  84. meringuoid's law by thisissilly · · Score: 1

    "Whenever a controversial law is proposed, and its supporters, when confronted with an egregious abuse it would permit, use a phrase along the lines of 'Perhaps in theory, but the law would never be applied in that way' - they're lying. They intend to use the law that way as early and as often as possible." http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=169254&cid=14107454

  85. You could try but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately the majority will stand by like sheep and watch the govt. make an example of you. Welcome to 2011.

  86. I made a video parable about that implosion... by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p14bAe6AzhA
    "The Richest Man in the World: A parable about robotics, abundance, technological change, unemployment, happiness, and a basic income."

    Hopefully no one will go to jail for embedding it... :-)

    By I am now suddenly nervous about this related knol I made that embeds many videos found on YouTube. :-(
    http://knol.google.com/k/paul-d-fernhout/beyond-a-jobless-recovery/38e2u3s23jer/2

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    A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
  87. Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if I post a link to a youtube vid on facebook, do *I* go to jail or does Zuckerberg? After all it's not MY webpage...

  88. Ideas for writing your Senator by Specter · · Score: 1

    In case you wanted to write your Senator but couldn't think of anything civil to say, here's what I wrote. Feel free to use it (or not) as a starting point:

    I encourage you to withdraw support for Senate bill 978 amending Section 2319 of Title 18 "CRIMINAL INFRINGEMENT OF A COPYRIGHT."

    Setting aside my personal objections to criminal (as opposed to civil) liabilities for copyright infringement, this proposed amendment has the following problems:

    1) Section 1 (a) 2 (A) sets an unreasonably low threshold for criminal liability. Specifically 10 public performances is, for all practical purposes, the same as 1 public performance on today's Internet. This threshold, especially when coupled with the ambiguous definition of "perform publicly" as applied to the Internet, has the practical effect of making any posting of a copyrighted work to the Internet a criminal offense. (USC 17, chapter 1, section 106)

    2) Section 1 (a) 2 (B) i & ii have the combined effect of setting a floor to pricing for all copyrighted works. Copyright holders, who are granted their rights "to promote the progress of science and useful arts," are effectively required by this law to set their licensing rates at the minimums set forth in the amended code in order to assure their access to remedies under this law.

    Broadly speaking, I encourage you to revisit your position on criminal copyright infringement. I believe that our copyright laws have strayed from their intended purpose to "to promote the progress of science and useful arts" and, as currently enacted, result in grave economic damage to the United States by building up an entrenched lobby of rent seekers with great economic and legal power but who make a small contribution to the common weal.

    I would encourage you instead to reduce criminal (not civil) penalties for copyright infringement and also to seriously consider reducing the duration of grants of copyright to no more than 21 years.

    Thank you,

  89. But be a drug user and get out of jail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our prisons are so over crowded now, how are we going to afford to lock up an even larger percentage of the population.

      I just saw an article about a state reducing drug sentences (probably a good thing considering some of the disparities there).

    I know they will just make it a steep fine. So they clamp down and get some revenue to boot.

  90. Re:Government involvement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does the government get involved in auto theft? Why does the government get involved in fraud? Why does the government get involved in assault? Why does the government get involved in trespassing?

    Why did you compare all of this to copyright infringement, something that has long since been established to be a civil crime? The only thing 'lost' would be potential profit. With all of these things, something physical was stolen/damaged. Physical evidence was probably left behind.

    Compare all that to the hopelessness of trying to track copyright infringers down. It just doesn't pay off since it's such a minor thing, if you believe it is harmful at all. They're all over the world and can quite easily mask their identity, not to mention the fact that they aren't physically harming anyone or anything. It's simply not worth it. And you have no reason to believe that copyright infringers are some dangerous criminals that will threaten your life if you go after them. All of these facts put together is why I think the government shouldn't be involved in copyright infringement issues.