I think the video game industry will run with this, and make it a great success. However, I think the film industry will play with this (and other motion-capture technologies) for a while, then resort back to good humans. Why? The actors will play along for a while, but their performances will lose authority because audiences will feel their performances were "enhanced" with computer aid. Just like in sports, we want our athletes to perform completely on their own merits, and not with the boost of technology. Sure, digital imagery can make an actor look younger, happier, etc, but ultimately, there will be a "return to purity" movement led by actors and demanded by audiences who are fed up with digital trickery. We want real human emotion, not digitized human emotion.
You're missing the point of the Google toolbar in the first place: it's not to help out SEO guys, it's to help out average-joe surfers. Think about it, the LGB is a graphic representation that is meant to be easily understood at a quick glance: user sees high PR, user clicks/buys product on page. Voila! High PR does work after all! PR may not mean that much in the big picture of SEO from the SEO guys' perspective, but it means a whole lot from the user perspective. And isn't that what we're all trying to do in the first place; get the user to click? LGB still has LOTS of value.
I think everyone is missing the point; it doesn't matter whether there is a video game link here or not, the real thing to worry about is that there are some potentially crazy people taking the time to post flyers near a school that say "BE PREPARED" and depicting people shooting some other form of "people."
I think there is every right to be concerned about some psycho kids going Columbine on this school, but as for a video game link, I think that's just what's selling papers. But again, regardless of the video game link, these wackos posting the flyers should be taken seriously. Even if they are only shooting "zombies" these are the same kind of psychos that can't distinguish between the living dead and 3rd graders.
I've always found it perplexing that the ID crowd and the Evolutionist crowd can never seem to get along. It seems to me that there is no real conflict of interest: is it not possible that God created evolution? That is to say, yes, there could have been an initial creator being, but he was smart enough to create a self-automating system of creation. He/she got the ball rolling, then just let it go. That seems to satisfy both camps if they just let it.
The ID crowd shouldn't be so naïve as to say that God is up there controlling the every movements of a bee's wings, but the Evolutionist crowd should be more open to the possibility that all things in the known world had a start initiated by intelligence rather than "it just magically happened." That's just as ingenuous as saying God just magically controls everything.
"The hopes of many quadriplegics (like me) and otherwise injured individuals have been dashed since Korean stem-cell researcher Hwang Woo-suk, who claimed to be on track for curing spinal cord injuries among other ailments, turned out to be an apparent fraud. But I never hung all of my hopes on Hwang or stem-cell research.
That's because scientists who study spinal cord injury, or SCI, know that it won't be stem cells or any other single therapy that will cure paralysis."
"Prior to December 2000, it was a little-known fact that some large Internet companies were blocking their customers from accessing spammers' Web sites. In fact, the two biggest companies which engaged in this practice, AboveNet and TeleGlobe, were blocking sites on a secret "blacklist" that included not only spammers, but sites selling spam software or doing business with spammers. (The Internet Billing Company, or IBill, was blacklisted once because some of their clients were spammers, even though IBill was not connected to the spam.) AboveNet stopped blocking Web sites immediately after Slashdot ran a story about their practice, but TeleGlobe is still blocking Web sites on the boycott list. These are not like ISPs that sell "family friendly Internet access" to customers who sign up to request Web sites to be blocked; these companies are selling high-end Internet connections to businesses and third-party resellers, without disclosing that Web sites on the "boycott list" are being blocked. When a downstream user tries to access a blocked Web site, they simply get an error message from their browser saying "This site is not responding", so they never find out that any blocking is being done."
The real issue here is not some need for the FCC to regulate the internet, but for the FCC to ensure that the use of VoIP has 911 emergency access. As VoIP becomes more frequently used, it's only natural and smart for the FCC to impose 911 emergency access to VoIP users in order to ensure a very basic level of user safety:
"TCS said that it will partner with infrastructure operators that can deliver VoIP E911 calls to Public Safety Answering Points serving approximately 190 million people in the US.
Its service is designed for mobility and enables the routing and delivery of the E911 VoIP caller's registered location information to the PSAP nearest to the emergency caller's current location.
John Crabill, 911 coordinator for Montgomery county, stated, "Having a full-scale solution in place for the routing and delivery of the caller's current registered location in the event they place an E911 VoIP call provides our citizens with the added security in knowing that we can find them in the event of an emergency."
In June 2005, the FCC published its E911 Order requiring all interconnected VoIP service providers to automatically provide E911 services to all customers as a standard, mandatory feature without customers having to specifically request this service, and without the ability to opt out."
"Parents may deem content inappropriate for what ever reasons they like, but that does not mean that others are obliged to protect their children from such "evils" if they do not deem it similarly inappropriate."
So, liquor stores should not be fined or regulated because it's the parents' fault that their minor went in and bought a six-pack? You're missing the point here, yes, parents have the sole responsibility of keeping harmful material out of their children's way, but that doesn't mean that certain measures outside the parent's view shouldn't have some basic levels of regulation in place. Under your logic, the liquor stores should have free reign to sell to whomever they want. If the parents don't like it, the parents should have taught their kids better, right? That's absurd. Even the best taught kids will dabble in harmful things if they are presented to them. So, the most basic and harmless way to prevent that, is to make the purchase of such items (like sexual and violent video games), hard to access in the first place. A strong fine and harder regulations are all these senators are proposing, not the suppression of free speech like everyone is making this out to be:
"The Clinton-Lieberman-Bayh bill, the Family Entertainment Protection Act, prohibits any business from selling or renting a Mature, Adults-Only, or Ratings Pending game to a person who is younger than seventeen. On-site store managers would be subject to a fine of $1,000 or 100 hours of community service for the first offense; $5,000 or 500 hours of community service for each subsequent offense. The bill also requires an annual, independent analysis of game ratings and requires the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to conduct an investigation to determine whether hidden content like in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas is a pervasive problem and take appropriate action. In addition, the bill will help ensure that consumers have a mechanism to file complaints with the FTC and that the FTC will report these complaints to Congress. Finally, the bill authorizes the FTC to conduct an annual, random audit of retailers to monitor enforcement and report the findings to Congress.
Illinois, Michigan, and California have all passed state laws to prohibit the sale of violent video games to minors."
"The computer game industry would be smart to buckle down and create a rigid and reasonable rating system. It should enforce it, it should guarantee the guide's integrity and should punish its own when they break it."
Yeah, a lot of industries should do a lot of things for themselves, but that's the whole point, they don't. When industries are acting irresponsibly (like environmental polluters), the gov must step in to protect the little man bellow the corporate level. That's one of the main roles of gov: to protect those that can't protect themselves. That's all this legislation is doing. It's not about blocking free speech in the slightest. If that were the case, these senators would be calling for an all out ban of the games, they are not, they are simply putting limits onto who can buy them. That's not such a hard pill to swallow, is it?
The Dogon, a tribe in West Africa, are believed to be of Egyptian descent. After living in Libya for a time, they settled in Mali, West Africa, bringing with them astronomy legends dating from before 3200 BCE. In the late 1940s, four of their priests told two French anthropologists of a secret Dogon myths about the star Sirius (8.6 light years from the earth). The priests said that Sirius had a companion star that was invisible to the human eye. They also stated that the star moved in a 50-year elliptical orbit around Sirius, that it was small and incredibly heavy, and that it rotated on its axis.
All these things happen to be true. But what makes this so remarkable is that the companion star of Sirius, called Sirius B, was first photographed in 1970. While people began to suspect its existence around 1844, it was not seen through a telescope until 1862 -- and even then its great density was not known or understood until the early decades of the twentieth century. The Dogon beliefs, on the other hand, were supposedly thousands of years old.
I hope they have a safety mechanism for beaming back a concentrated beam of energy from the sun (aka "Death Ray"). Just think about it, a one degree tilt from the satellite panels, and Tokyo gets sizzled. Oops.
As for the spiders, what happens when the construction materials get too big for the spiders? Will they construct larger and larger spiders to handle the load? Or perhaps a "space ant" is more in order (I've seen them carry away whole picnic baskets!).
Not to be a wet blanket, but do we really need more confusion of reality? I mean, I'm all for art and the admiration of the female form, but I can see the future of this: people having full conversations with the AI versions of Kaya or Webbie. They then fall in love, get cyber married, then create AI children. Next comes a cyber house with a cyber dog and cyber neighbors...all because we've learned how to create (literally) our own "perfect" world instead of engaging in the real world.
I say leave modeling to the professionals: humans.
I don't think we have to worry too much about mice becoming our new overlords. What we do have to worry about is straight-out cloning. As for these mice, they are light years from ever become an ethical risk (unless you are against lab-testing on mice to begin with).
I think a lot of those games, Like Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, should have an AO rating attached to them. Who cares about whether or not this limits their shelf potential, some of these games go over the edge when they condone killing cops and prostitution.
Right or wrong is not the issue, what is the issue is that certain content should be kept out of reach of minors. You wouldn't put a porn video right next to Barney's Big Adventure on the shelf just to satisfy the porn distributor's "right" to exist on the shelf, would you? I'm not suggesting to ban the making of such AO games, I'm just saying rate them for what they are and do what you need to do to keep them out of minor's reach, don't water down the rating just to make a few bucks.
I don't think Machinima will take off as a higher art form simply because it only has one basic look. It would be really interesting to see if the makers of The Movies could add more and more options for stylized looks (lighting, color schemes, action sequences, etc). Now that would be interesting.
Also, I don't see why a live-action director couldn't simply use The Movies to layout their entire film before every shooting a single frame of film. This way, the director can visually articulate his vision to his/her crew in a very economical way.
Does anyone know why one of these companies doesn't just build a massive tool that will tackle spyware, adware, viruses, and everything else under the sun? It seems like that's where they are going, but why hasn't anyone done it yet? Even if it took 2 hours to scan, it would be worth it. Just run it in the middle of the night.
Has anyone played that PS2 game: RockStar? This air guitar immediately reminded me of the game. In the game version, you actually hold a small, toy guitar that has 5 colored buttons on the neck. The screen then scrolls toward you indicating when and which colored buttons to hit. You also "strum" the strings by flipping what looks like a fat light-switch thing on the guitar. There is also an awesome wammy-bar for those deep dives.
Then, in the background, you can see your selected guitar hero rocking out on stage. When you do good enough, you get a super-charger jolt from the guitar gods that signals you to physically "rock" the toy guitar into the upright position. Your guitar hero on-stage then spins the guitar and really jams out which makes the crowds go wild. Sounds childish and ego-centric? Yes. Easy? No. It's actually challenging and extremely addicting if you like playing guitar at all.
I'd like to see this new air guitar technology be integrated in some similar way like this PS2 game is.
This is a great step towards a paperless society while still using paper! I think it's awesome. Think about it: you could have an eternal notebook that you could fold up in your pocket (in the near future) that you can write on just like normal paper. When you are done, you could download your info to your home PC (via wifi), then erase and start again. You might even be able to eventually watch video on it - all while being highly portable and durable. I think this is the first step towards the wave of the future.
China, without a doubt, will surpass us economically in the next few decades. This space endeavor is only a foreshadowing of things to come. We in the US should make efforts to pool our resources with China in all things in order to create a stable, peaceful relationship. Otherwise, China will be our new enemy if we are not careful. Their population will create immense demands on the Earth's natural resources (oil, food, etc). If we don't stretch out our arms and try to connect, then the US will be only the 2nd biggest world power.
As for their space program directly, it's only a matter of time before their intelligence gathering surpasses ours (spy satellites).
If you are honestly working on the internet, that's one thing, but if you are just surfing and gaming for 14+ hours, then you do have a problem.
I think China's approach is a bit much, but think about it, if you're a teenage kid that has completely shut him/herself off from the world, then there is indeed a "problem." The body needs to exercise, and the mind needs face-to-face social interaction. I work on the internet for 8-10 hours a day, but I make it a point to get up, go ride my bike, go to some social event, and workout. It balances things out. So, I think the headgear is a bit over-dramatic, but maybe it's all a placebo to give these teenagers a reality check.
I would be concerned that this system would be unreliable for the following reasons:
1. Could your vein patterns change with age? I don't know if people get varicose veins in their hands, but couldn't that be a problem?
2. I would also think people might be able to forge or throw off the results by drawing veins on their hands and/or taking extreme measures to mimic someone else's bio patterns for forgery.
3. Couldn't the angle of how you place your hand over the scanner create problems? I mean, if you angle your hand (as in not flat), then I would think the system would read your veins as being closer or farther apart than normal.
I'm sure the company has taken these things into account, but I wouldn't be able to put much faith in the security of this system.
The point is, Jackson should get whatever the deal had stipulated. It doesn't matter if it's gobs and gobs of money. If they had a deal, then New Line should pay up.
I have no sympathy for spammers. I don't believe they should get jail time, but fining them according to the possible money they made from spamming is justice; especially if they are willingly breaking the law.
I think the video game industry will run with this, and make it a great success. However, I think the film industry will play with this (and other motion-capture technologies) for a while, then resort back to good humans. Why? The actors will play along for a while, but their performances will lose authority because audiences will feel their performances were "enhanced" with computer aid. Just like in sports, we want our athletes to perform completely on their own merits, and not with the boost of technology. Sure, digital imagery can make an actor look younger, happier, etc, but ultimately, there will be a "return to purity" movement led by actors and demanded by audiences who are fed up with digital trickery. We want real human emotion, not digitized human emotion.
You're missing the point of the Google toolbar in the first place: it's not to help out SEO guys, it's to help out average-joe surfers. Think about it, the LGB is a graphic representation that is meant to be easily understood at a quick glance: user sees high PR, user clicks/buys product on page. Voila! High PR does work after all! PR may not mean that much in the big picture of SEO from the SEO guys' perspective, but it means a whole lot from the user perspective. And isn't that what we're all trying to do in the first place; get the user to click? LGB still has LOTS of value.
I think everyone is missing the point; it doesn't matter whether there is a video game link here or not, the real thing to worry about is that there are some potentially crazy people taking the time to post flyers near a school that say "BE PREPARED" and depicting people shooting some other form of "people."
I think there is every right to be concerned about some psycho kids going Columbine on this school, but as for a video game link, I think that's just what's selling papers. But again, regardless of the video game link, these wackos posting the flyers should be taken seriously. Even if they are only shooting "zombies" these are the same kind of psychos that can't distinguish between the living dead and 3rd graders.
I've always found it perplexing that the ID crowd and the Evolutionist crowd can never seem to get along. It seems to me that there is no real conflict of interest: is it not possible that God created evolution? That is to say, yes, there could have been an initial creator being, but he was smart enough to create a self-automating system of creation. He/she got the ball rolling, then just let it go. That seems to satisfy both camps if they just let it.
The ID crowd shouldn't be so naïve as to say that God is up there controlling the every movements of a bee's wings, but the Evolutionist crowd should be more open to the possibility that all things in the known world had a start initiated by intelligence rather than "it just magically happened." That's just as ingenuous as saying God just magically controls everything.
I think it would be a greater punishement if he had to open and read every spam email he sent for the next 3 years.
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The real issue here is not some need for the FCC to regulate the internet, but for the FCC to ensure that the use of VoIP has 911 emergency access. As VoIP becomes more frequently used, it's only natural and smart for the FCC to impose 911 emergency access to VoIP users in order to ensure a very basic level of user safety:
"TCS said that it will partner with infrastructure operators that can deliver VoIP E911 calls to Public Safety Answering Points serving approximately 190 million people in the US.
Its service is designed for mobility and enables the routing and delivery of the E911 VoIP caller's registered location information to the PSAP nearest to the emergency caller's current location.
John Crabill, 911 coordinator for Montgomery county, stated, "Having a full-scale solution in place for the routing and delivery of the caller's current registered location in the event they place an E911 VoIP call provides our citizens with the added security in knowing that we can find them in the event of an emergency." In June 2005, the FCC published its E911 Order requiring all interconnected VoIP service providers to automatically provide E911 services to all customers as a standard, mandatory feature without customers having to specifically request this service, and without the ability to opt out."
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"Parents may deem content inappropriate for what ever reasons they like, but that does not mean that others are obliged to protect their children from such "evils" if they do not deem it similarly inappropriate."
So, liquor stores should not be fined or regulated because it's the parents' fault that their minor went in and bought a six-pack? You're missing the point here, yes, parents have the sole responsibility of keeping harmful material out of their children's way, but that doesn't mean that certain measures outside the parent's view shouldn't have some basic levels of regulation in place. Under your logic, the liquor stores should have free reign to sell to whomever they want. If the parents don't like it, the parents should have taught their kids better, right? That's absurd. Even the best taught kids will dabble in harmful things if they are presented to them. So, the most basic and harmless way to prevent that, is to make the purchase of such items (like sexual and violent video games), hard to access in the first place. A strong fine and harder regulations are all these senators are proposing, not the suppression of free speech like everyone is making this out to be:
"The Clinton-Lieberman-Bayh bill, the Family Entertainment Protection Act, prohibits any business from selling or renting a Mature, Adults-Only, or Ratings Pending game to a person who is younger than seventeen. On-site store managers would be subject to a fine of $1,000 or 100 hours of community service for the first offense; $5,000 or 500 hours of community service for each subsequent offense. The bill also requires an annual, independent analysis of game ratings and requires the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to conduct an investigation to determine whether hidden content like in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas is a pervasive problem and take appropriate action. In addition, the bill will help ensure that consumers have a mechanism to file complaints with the FTC and that the FTC will report these complaints to Congress. Finally, the bill authorizes the FTC to conduct an annual, random audit of retailers to monitor enforcement and report the findings to Congress.
Illinois, Michigan, and California have all passed state laws to prohibit the sale of violent video games to minors."
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"The computer game industry would be smart to buckle down and create a rigid and reasonable rating system. It should enforce it, it should guarantee the guide's integrity and should punish its own when they break it."
Yeah, a lot of industries should do a lot of things for themselves, but that's the whole point, they don't. When industries are acting irresponsibly (like environmental polluters), the gov must step in to protect the little man bellow the corporate level. That's one of the main roles of gov: to protect those that can't protect themselves. That's all this legislation is doing. It's not about blocking free speech in the slightest. If that were the case, these senators would be calling for an all out ban of the games, they are not, they are simply putting limits onto who can buy them. That's not such a hard pill to swallow, is it?
The Dogon, a tribe in West Africa, are believed to be of Egyptian descent. After living in Libya for a time, they settled in Mali, West Africa, bringing with them astronomy legends dating from before 3200 BCE. In the late 1940s, four of their priests told two French anthropologists of a secret Dogon myths about the star Sirius (8.6 light years from the earth). The priests said that Sirius had a companion star that was invisible to the human eye. They also stated that the star moved in a 50-year elliptical orbit around Sirius, that it was small and incredibly heavy, and that it rotated on its axis.
All these things happen to be true. But what makes this so remarkable is that the companion star of Sirius, called Sirius B, was first photographed in 1970. While people began to suspect its existence around 1844, it was not seen through a telescope until 1862 -- and even then its great density was not known or understood until the early decades of the twentieth century. The Dogon beliefs, on the other hand, were supposedly thousands of years old.
http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/thalass2.htm
I hope they have a safety mechanism for beaming back a concentrated beam of energy from the sun (aka "Death Ray"). Just think about it, a one degree tilt from the satellite panels, and Tokyo gets sizzled. Oops.
As for the spiders, what happens when the construction materials get too big for the spiders? Will they construct larger and larger spiders to handle the load? Or perhaps a "space ant" is more in order (I've seen them carry away whole picnic baskets!).
Not to be a wet blanket, but do we really need more confusion of reality? I mean, I'm all for art and the admiration of the female form, but I can see the future of this: people having full conversations with the AI versions of Kaya or Webbie. They then fall in love, get cyber married, then create AI children. Next comes a cyber house with a cyber dog and cyber neighbors...all because we've learned how to create (literally) our own "perfect" world instead of engaging in the real world. I say leave modeling to the professionals: humans.
I don't think we have to worry too much about mice becoming our new overlords. What we do have to worry about is straight-out cloning. As for these mice, they are light years from ever become an ethical risk (unless you are against lab-testing on mice to begin with).
I think a lot of those games, Like Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, should have an AO rating attached to them. Who cares about whether or not this limits their shelf potential, some of these games go over the edge when they condone killing cops and prostitution.
Right or wrong is not the issue, what is the issue is that certain content should be kept out of reach of minors. You wouldn't put a porn video right next to Barney's Big Adventure on the shelf just to satisfy the porn distributor's "right" to exist on the shelf, would you? I'm not suggesting to ban the making of such AO games, I'm just saying rate them for what they are and do what you need to do to keep them out of minor's reach, don't water down the rating just to make a few bucks.
I don't think Machinima will take off as a higher art form simply because it only has one basic look. It would be really interesting to see if the makers of The Movies could add more and more options for stylized looks (lighting, color schemes, action sequences, etc). Now that would be interesting.
Also, I don't see why a live-action director couldn't simply use The Movies to layout their entire film before every shooting a single frame of film. This way, the director can visually articulate his vision to his/her crew in a very economical way.
Does anyone know why one of these companies doesn't just build a massive tool that will tackle spyware, adware, viruses, and everything else under the sun? It seems like that's where they are going, but why hasn't anyone done it yet? Even if it took 2 hours to scan, it would be worth it. Just run it in the middle of the night.
imagine the sound of an old-school record scratcher:
"wiki, wiki, wiki"
Well, my name is Wiki
And I'm here to say
There's a brand new reference
And it's on its way
If you're kind-of famous
If you're straight or gay
It really doesn't matter
Wiki says it anyway
Wiki doesn't care
If it's right or wrong
You can't trace the writer
Their IP is long gone
So, if you killed a Kennedy
Or made a soviet pact
Just fix it in Wiki
And it's instantly fact
Peace.
Werd to yo mutha
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4816435/
Orlan is an artist who has taken facial reconstruction to the extremes.
Has anyone played that PS2 game: RockStar? This air guitar immediately reminded me of the game. In the game version, you actually hold a small, toy guitar that has 5 colored buttons on the neck. The screen then scrolls toward you indicating when and which colored buttons to hit. You also "strum" the strings by flipping what looks like a fat light-switch thing on the guitar. There is also an awesome wammy-bar for those deep dives.
Then, in the background, you can see your selected guitar hero rocking out on stage. When you do good enough, you get a super-charger jolt from the guitar gods that signals you to physically "rock" the toy guitar into the upright position. Your guitar hero on-stage then spins the guitar and really jams out which makes the crowds go wild. Sounds childish and ego-centric? Yes. Easy? No. It's actually challenging and extremely addicting if you like playing guitar at all.
I'd like to see this new air guitar technology be integrated in some similar way like this PS2 game is.
Rock on!
This is a great step towards a paperless society while still using paper! I think it's awesome. Think about it: you could have an eternal notebook that you could fold up in your pocket (in the near future) that you can write on just like normal paper. When you are done, you could download your info to your home PC (via wifi), then erase and start again. You might even be able to eventually watch video on it - all while being highly portable and durable. I think this is the first step towards the wave of the future.
China, without a doubt, will surpass us economically in the next few decades. This space endeavor is only a foreshadowing of things to come. We in the US should make efforts to pool our resources with China in all things in order to create a stable, peaceful relationship. Otherwise, China will be our new enemy if we are not careful. Their population will create immense demands on the Earth's natural resources (oil, food, etc). If we don't stretch out our arms and try to connect, then the US will be only the 2nd biggest world power.
As for their space program directly, it's only a matter of time before their intelligence gathering surpasses ours (spy satellites).
If you are honestly working on the internet, that's one thing, but if you are just surfing and gaming for 14+ hours, then you do have a problem.
I think China's approach is a bit much, but think about it, if you're a teenage kid that has completely shut him/herself off from the world, then there is indeed a "problem." The body needs to exercise, and the mind needs face-to-face social interaction. I work on the internet for 8-10 hours a day, but I make it a point to get up, go ride my bike, go to some social event, and workout. It balances things out. So, I think the headgear is a bit over-dramatic, but maybe it's all a placebo to give these teenagers a reality check.
I would be concerned that this system would be unreliable for the following reasons:
1. Could your vein patterns change with age? I don't know if people get varicose veins in their hands, but couldn't that be a problem?
2. I would also think people might be able to forge or throw off the results by drawing veins on their hands and/or taking extreme measures to mimic someone else's bio patterns for forgery.
3. Couldn't the angle of how you place your hand over the scanner create problems? I mean, if you angle your hand (as in not flat), then I would think the system would read your veins as being closer or farther apart than normal.
I'm sure the company has taken these things into account, but I wouldn't be able to put much faith in the security of this system.
The point is, Jackson should get whatever the deal had stipulated. It doesn't matter if it's gobs and gobs of money. If they had a deal, then New Line should pay up.
I have no sympathy for spammers. I don't believe they should get jail time, but fining them according to the possible money they made from spamming is justice; especially if they are willingly breaking the law.