Hell is referred to as "the outer darkness" or "the outside" much more often.
Errr... care to back that up.
In the NT hell is described as hotter than well hell, more often....
Matthew 13:42: "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
Matt 25:41: "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels." This passage relates to Jesus' judgment of all the world.
Mark 9:43-48: And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched." The reference to fire is repeated three more times in the passage for emphasis.
Luke 16:24: "And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame." This is a plea described as coming from an inhabitant of Hell.
Revelation 20:13-15: "...hell delivered up the dead which were in them...And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
Revelation 21:8: "But the fearful, and unbelieving... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone."
Neither. Humans are completely irrelevant, as far as the universe as a whole is concerned.
And this little nugget of nihilistic faith is based on what?
The way I look at it is that life appears to be property of matter and intelligence appears to be a property of life. Who knows what ordering or emergent property exists next and to what purpose might exist that is beyond our present understanding. The baby in the womb knows nothing of life on the outside. We are self-aware pieces of the universe itself that are capable of introspection and self-willed action - that is significant and not irrelevant.
It's just that it's a theory based on the NON-existence of a creator.
No it isn't. There is nothing in the scientific method that disallows the concept creator! You just can't go "oh we don't know how this works it must be the creator". If you develop a hypothesis of a creator or some phenomena that is a manifestation of a creator you are required to provide some direct observations, measurements and predictions to substantiate the claim.
If you don't believe in a creator, you can I can look at the same data all day, and come to different conclusions.
Sure we can assume, based on the existence of a creator, that the universe is earth centric. You can take the existing data and develop a very very complex cosmology to make the data fit this conclusion. Only problem is it would be the wrong conclusion.
The non-believers, or course, claim to have the "unbiased" view, but there's really no such thing.
Science attempts to biased to data and truth anb what works.
Well, if you regard invoking a creator as "stupid", then you've shown that you're biased against that idea
No science regards invoking hookus pookus explanations as "stupid". I suspect you think that using astrology charts to schedule shuttle flights would be "stupid".
And yes, I realize there are a lot of people who believe both -- the "God created the mechanism of evolution" view. That's fine, but for me I think that view assumes a solider scientific foundation for evolution than actually exists.
I suspect that you know very little about the scientific foundation for evolution. Not a put down, but spend some time evaluating the evidence without preconceived notions.
A more interesting question is: I wonder if terrestrial based life will ever evolve to make space its natural habitat. After billions of years, life made the journey from the marine world to land and from land to the air - will terrestrial life ever make a similar transition from an atmosphere contained existence to free space? I think it is inevitable; and as my favorite hero once said "life will find a way"
I envision someday whale like creatures "swimming" with large solar sail structures collecting energy from the sun and existing in a relatively large inhabitable band of the solar system.
That is what the Bible claims to be, a message from God.
No it doesn't. Find me were it says the specific collection of books that we call the bible are from God?
OBTW several "sacred writings" make the very same claim.
There were pictures of some that were dated between 80ky and 95ky. It was pointed out to me by Chief Joe Chasing Horse (Lakota). He was producing a "speaking book" (audio recording of stories, supplemented by graphics in a paper book) on prehistoric astronomy under a NASA grant.
That is absolutely not correct. Chief Joe needs do more research. This earliest markings anywhere in the new world are less than 12k years old. The earliest in the old world are only less than 30k years old (Chauvet Cave for exmample).
Those of us who believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis obviously don't believe that humans came from multiple sources, we believe all humans descended from one couple.
An astute reader would have noted that "all hebrews (ie god chosen people) descended from one couple" Cane was afraid of the "others" out there and that "they" will try to kill him.
If you believe the literal Genesis interpretation (and it amazes me that people still believe in bronze-age myths) then you would support the multi-origin points theory.
Hey I also remember an experience with a VAX 11/750. I had written some submarine simulation in FORTRAN on a 80286 with a math coprocessor. However, finally I got into the server room and had access to the big iron VAX. Oh boy, I thought I made to the major leagues.
I loaded my software and started a compile. I felt the room move as the washing machine sized fixed disk started to churn on the compile. I waited... waited... waited.... and finally what took 5 minutes to compile on my lowly PC took 10 minutes on the big iron. Program execution performance was also slower. I was surprised. I pleaded with my boss if I could just bring in my personal 286 and do my work, as the VAX was just too damn slow and tools sucked.
However, I will note that your item #2 with the VAX file versioning was cool and useful and sometimes wish I could turn on this feature on a directory basis.
You know things are really bad when obvious mocking parody (ie the grandfather post) is lost on some because the situation is beyond reasonable expectations.
Just for the parent, Bush W is scrapping with Carter as the worst president of the modern era.
Slashdot title --> "Team Claims Synthetic Life Feat"
No they don't. From the article....
"What's in this paper is the result of taking a native chromosome from one species," Dr Venter explained.
"That chromosome was transplanted, inserted through the cell walls, the cell membrane of a second species and, after several days of growth and cell division, the original chromosome in the cell disappears and we have cells containing only the transplanted chromosome."
The took genetic material from one species and inserted into another and this genetic material achieved a position in the germline.
That was the same thought I had. This women is repeat offender, obviously experienced in her chosen trade and yet she gets 44 days and 3 years probation which she was on the first place. Judging by this fraudulent crime pays.....
I thought stealing mail was a federal crime? Why was she not charged with that?
I mean, what about all the other appliances that tend to hit landfills, such as refridgerators, dishwashers, washers&dryers, televisions, radios, etc...?
Right on.
I always thought a good policy would be to have manufactures put a recycling fee into an escrow account (that earns a nominal interest for the manufacture) at the time of sale to large resource intensive consumer goods like computers, refrigerators, stoves, etc.
The product would have a bar code and whenever the registered local landfill or recycling depot receives the disposed product they scan the bar code and are credited for the recycling fee from the escrow account.
This has the following benefits....
Places the burden of disposal up front with the purchase of the product. This is fair economics as it places the burden on those who benefit from the product (both sale and use) .
Source of income (instead of burden) for local landfill/recycling depots and could favor recycling.
Encourage manufactures to build long lived products and to support products with *replacement parts* since the longer the product remains in service the more interest the manufactures earns. This is my favorite benefit, as I have thrown away Would generate real-world statistics on product longevity and reward manufactures for building quality. If a manufactures builds a lemon like a GE Refrigerator I had, this statistics would be public accessible knowledge and maybe even support class-action suits.
In other words, NOT to have turned over this information would have been at least as 'morally reprehensible' as turning it over because individuals would suffer for it -and- they would be breaking the law.
Just who would be suffering for it by not turning over this information?
Laws are man made artifices that often go against higher ethical laws. In Nazi Germany it was against the law to hide Jews. In the US at one time it was not against the law to keep and abuse other humans. Today, in several ME countries it is against the law for women to drive or to openly defect from the state religion.
But should "wide appeal" really be a criteria for the arts?
Yes, for public sponsored art.
Art exhibited with public funds should have a wide appeal, just like tax dollars spend for road maintenance should be spent for a "wide appeal".
Somehow I doubt they would be protesting a publicly funded Monet exhibition.
You certainly missing the point if think the protest was about publicly-funded art only.
I sure you can see the difference between comparing protests of cartoons of Mohammad to protest of obscene shock art using public funds. If an "artist" wants to create a nativity scene out of his own collected shit then well more power to him, just do it on his own dime.
If the comparison in the grandparent post was between the Da Vinci code movie complaints and the Mohammad cartoons - that would be a fair comparison.
An excellent con would be to form a "Christian" Oil Exploration company that will use flood geology and hire flood geologist. Then attempt to sell shares to the gullib^h^h^h^h faithful. The promotional material must promise huge returns while showing up the evilutionists and old earth geologist. It is an idea that would make millions.
To sum it up the parent post, to which I heartily agree, NMCI is not a good fit at the research environment (ie the Warfare Centers). The Warfare Centers currently maintain two networks which is expensive, doubles the vulnerable exposed surface area and creates operational inefficiencies (just getting data from one network to the other can difficult and complex).
Granted, but what if we want to plug in an inexpensive weather station and camera to increase situation awareness and monitor expensive assets - sorry can't be done we are back to 70's.
Since Microsoft has made this nebulous claim would it not severely limit their ability to claim damages since they have failed to act on these supposed acknowledged violations in a timely good-faith manner?
Well the last president redefined sex, I guess the FDA can do whatever it wants too also.
As someone pointed out most US chocolate is inferior.
However there are exceptions....
Dove's dark chocolate bars are good.
Also recently encountered this: Cowgirl Chocolate made with of all things cayenne pepper. Not bad chocolate but the pepper actually overloads the taste buds and after a certain point the good chocolate taste is not detectable.
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Errr... care to back that up.
In the NT hell is described as hotter than well hell, more often....
And this little nugget of nihilistic faith is based on what?
The way I look at it is that life appears to be property of matter and intelligence appears to be a property of life. Who knows what ordering or emergent property exists next and to what purpose might exist that is beyond our present understanding. The baby in the womb knows nothing of life on the outside. We are self-aware pieces of the universe itself that are capable of introspection and self-willed action - that is significant and not irrelevant.
Yep they are out there....
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=264201&cid=20
A more interesting question is: I wonder if terrestrial based life will ever evolve to make space its natural habitat. After billions of years, life made the journey from the marine world to land and from land to the air - will terrestrial life ever make a similar transition from an atmosphere contained existence to free space? I think it is inevitable; and as my favorite hero once said "life will find a way"
I envision someday whale like creatures "swimming" with large solar sail structures collecting energy from the sun and existing in a relatively large inhabitable band of the solar system.
An astute reader would have noted that "all hebrews (ie god chosen people) descended from one couple" Cane was afraid of the "others" out there and that "they" will try to kill him.
If you believe the literal Genesis interpretation (and it amazes me that people still believe in bronze-age myths) then you would support the multi-origin points theory.
Good Lord! the font on my monitor is tiny, coupled with the word Chromatic, and I translated Peril -> Perl.
I want one of those "Perl Sensitive Sunglasses" that would be so darn cool.
Hey I also remember an experience with a VAX 11/750. I had written some submarine simulation in FORTRAN on a 80286 with a math coprocessor. However, finally I got into the server room and had access to the big iron VAX. Oh boy, I thought I made to the major leagues.
I loaded my software and started a compile. I felt the room move as the washing machine sized fixed disk started to churn on the compile. I waited... waited... waited.... and finally what took 5 minutes to compile on my lowly PC took 10 minutes on the big iron. Program execution performance was also slower. I was surprised. I pleaded with my boss if I could just bring in my personal 286 and do my work, as the VAX was just too damn slow and tools sucked.
However, I will note that your item #2 with the VAX file versioning was cool and useful and sometimes wish I could turn on this feature on a directory basis.
Sad but the Bushites are using Clinton as their moral reference point? Where is the moral clarity we were promised...
You know things are really bad when obvious mocking parody (ie the grandfather post) is lost on some because the situation is beyond reasonable expectations. Just for the parent, Bush W is scrapping with Carter as the worst president of the modern era.
No they don't. From the article....
The took genetic material from one species and inserted into another and this genetic material achieved a position in the germline.
OK but certainly not "Synthetic"
That was the same thought I had. This women is repeat offender, obviously experienced in her chosen trade and yet she gets 44 days and 3 years probation which she was on the first place. Judging by this fraudulent crime pays.....
I thought stealing mail was a federal crime? Why was she not charged with that?
Right on.
I always thought a good policy would be to have manufactures put a recycling fee into an escrow account (that earns a nominal interest for the manufacture) at the time of sale to large resource intensive consumer goods like computers, refrigerators, stoves, etc.
The product would have a bar code and whenever the registered local landfill or recycling depot receives the disposed product they scan the bar code and are credited for the recycling fee from the escrow account.
This has the following benefits....
You certainly missing the point if think the protest was about publicly-funded art only.
I sure you can see the difference between comparing protests of cartoons of Mohammad to protest of obscene shock art using public funds. If an "artist" wants to create a nativity scene out of his own collected shit then well more power to him, just do it on his own dime.
If the comparison in the grandparent post was between the Da Vinci code movie complaints and the Mohammad cartoons - that would be a fair comparison.
To be fair here the big issue with cross in pee is that it was funded with public funds in the of art.
An excellent con would be to form a "Christian" Oil Exploration company that will use flood geology and hire flood geologist. Then attempt to sell shares to the gullib^h^h^h^h faithful. The promotional material must promise huge returns while showing up the evilutionists and old earth geologist. It is an idea that would make millions.
Speaking of geology. I always like to show YEC this picture and ask which deposition layer represents the flood layers
I ordered "fresh" coffee from the Coffee Fool and it was absolutely horrid. Never do that again. Anybody have a different experience?
I prefer plain ole Starbucks Italian Roast (pre-ground). I use a espresso maker and make an Americano - one cup at a time.
I have learned that cleanliness of the coffee maker is essential to that sweet cup of joe.....
Since Microsoft has made this nebulous claim would it not severely limit their ability to claim damages since they have failed to act on these supposed acknowledged violations in a timely good-faith manner?
Astronauts Gone Wild
Just consider the marketing potential...
Well the last president redefined sex, I guess the FDA can do whatever it wants too also.
As someone pointed out most US chocolate is inferior.
However there are exceptions....
Dove's dark chocolate bars are good.
Also recently encountered this: Cowgirl Chocolate made with of all things cayenne pepper. Not bad chocolate but the pepper actually overloads the taste buds and after a certain point the good chocolate taste is not detectable.