The US is still going to need a really great math education system.
Calling it Data Science still results in the need for math. Sooner or later the students will have to learn a lot more advanced math.
People who entered on merit will do well as they know how to study and can learn more math.
People who got selected on considerations other that the ability to study math will have a lot of math to do.
The reports mentioned showed what money put in resulted in. Decades later and all the money spent. Do we have a result yet?
Need more money again? Need to locate labs in more advanced and better nations with better quality workers?
Find more money again.
Need a better university system to make sure staff are hired on merit with skills?
Need really great staff and a lot more money this time in a nation that is innovative and advanced.
Find the money. A lot of it. Move the project to an advanced nation that has the very best staff. Given them time and a lot more money.
Move out of nations that have failed for years and start again in advance nation that can actually do decades of new "science".
Hire staff only on merit.
Ensure funding is in place.
Write another report that projects results decades out again.
With money in place and the very best staff this time will results be different?
Should the project work this time then the experiment shows not to invest in average nations with average staff.
1. Hire only the best staff. On merit who can do the work they got hired for without needing extra support in the company for years.
2. Have designers in a company who can work on new products that are "new".
3. Have engineers hired on merit who can do the advanced work and testing.
4. Ensure the new products work and make a profit.
5. Test the products to make sure they work in the real world under real conditions.
6. Have testing done and fix problems well before paying consumers find and report the same problems.
7. Always have staff learning new skills and hire new staff on merit to bring in new skills.
Any average company can create a product for existing market conditions. A few brands can take exisiting tech and bring in new advanced features. A few of the very best brands every generation can create a new market that never existed.
Hire the best staff to ensure a brand can make its own new markets every generation that define the use of tech for that generation.
Its all in having the best staff and best workers. Find the best and support them. People who arrive on time. Who work hard. Who understand new problems and can work on new projects.
Think of "procedure" in a few different ways.
A nation can have great staff, the best people selected on merit but if the trains don't get replaced they have to go slow and wait for old equipment to be worked on.
Trains can be upgraded with new equipment but if staff get selected on demographics and not merit the work they do is not good. Staff with few skills then make a nations trains late due to their lack of skill.
When the staff are great and the are trains new the track still has to be looked at to ensure trains can travel at the speed that keeps the service on time.
Few nations have the money and staff skills to keep everything in place to have a really great train service.
The best new equipment, methods, great staff and support for the rail. No slow downs and random unexpected stopping due to staff error or problems with old trains.
Thats was the idea behind my comment. To get people to think back to when spending, hard work and staff hired on merit in different nations was a good thing.
Re "procedure and timing". Thats called investment. So the rail is of a good quality and does not need work done during normal hours.
Re "orderly fashion" Thats having a population that understands that getting to work on time is something good.
Re "trains arriving every 5 minutes" Thats decades of investment and hard work nationally and at the company level in every aspect of train design.
Generations of really smart people going to work and doing a great job every day to ensure everything to do with trains is ready.
Re "procedure" does not work in other nations as the new equipment is not in place. The money is not spent well so the train does not arrive on time.
The rail is of such low quality new speed limits have to be set. So the train arrives late. When the work is done its never enough and slow speeds last longer.
Thats the difference in nations with skilled workers and good spending and failed nations with average workers and not enough investment.
"Procedure" does not work when the train has to stop while staff work on problems advanced nations fix before they have to stop and slow trains.
Passport controls are a simple idea. Travel into a nation by rail and show a real passport. A visa and reason for entering that nation.
No long stops between nations while people with no or fake documents have to be found.
Simple things that make rail travel work in nations and between nations.
Have the best staff. Have nations spending on rail. Keep rail working everyday and night so rail works when it's used daily.
Ensure people using rail have tickets and are able to travel into that nation. Keep stations clean and free of crime and criminals.
How long can that $1000 price cover for the costs of the parts?
The number of units sold will have to keep up for the profits to stay up.
The only way out if numbers sold is not working anymore is cheaper than China production lines.
When the UK spied on German troop trains in WW1 it used local people who had a reason to be in the area and who would not be noticed.
The UK had the best spies in position to spy on passing troop trains.
The Germans waited for the information collected to be passed back up spy networks and found the spies.
The UK failed at having a good way to pass information back quickly and with no way of getting detected.
During WW2 UK spies had poor radio and code security skills.
The ability to detect radio use and long term code use kept decrypted was something the UK took time to understand.
The "internet" is not used in the same ways as in the USA all over the world.
Habits and traits stand out given nations have total control over all their own internal internet use.
Once a plausible way of talking to the CIA is found using the internet is detected then nation will be all over that to find more people talking to the CIA in the same way.
Understand the culture you are spying on. Talk to all the anthropologist in the CIA and work out what kind of normal internet sites get visited a lot.
Expect people who are tempted to spy for the USA to be under constant watch. When the CIA can work out who will spy for them, so can that nation.
Visiting a strange web site not many other people in that nation have found/used will stand out when a nation watches its security cleared workers.
Never tell political leaders about what is found when spying. They will tell the press for political reasons and the world will know. The nations been spied on then only have a very short list of who to follow and find all the spies.
Stop talking to political leadership about what is found in real time. Politicians entire party structure is set up to talk to people. Don't tell the politicians secrets that uncover spies still in place.
How to make trains work like in West Germany, Japan and Switzerland.
1. Invest in nice new trains.
2. Hire the best staff on merit.
3. Look after the stations and trains. Keep the trains and stations clean. Passport controls and police to keep criminals away.
4. Look after the track. Upgrade the tracks with new technology every generation.
5. Have a national culture thats likes trains for work and holidays.
6. Understand what tourism needs. Work to ensure the best parts of a nation can be enjoyed by train. Tell the world about such train travel.
7. Understand what workers need everyday.
No AI needed. Just a good way of funding rail and the best staff.
Re "The type of prestige"
Ensuring users have to view ads? Stopping users from not viewing ads? Censorship for Communist China? Deranking search results?
Ensuring any new encryption is ad ready?
Development opportunities...
Ads and censorship....
Parts of South America and non communist Asia would have offered the new US private sector investment the same tax and operating regulations.
To get the jobs. A 1970-1980's export location with electrical power, no tax and no regulations, new ports and roads.
English speaking experts. Rule of law.
They would have kept US secrets and offered equal low wages. No unions and no communist spies.
Their mil/governments would have done all they could to offer low wages and understood all NSA/CIA demands for US export security.
Why go for the nation with full Communism and all its support of past wars with the USA?
They did PRISM for free. All that data from "trusted" US private companies direct into the US gov/mil:)
From deep in the big brands own networks. Unencrypted so the US gov could work with the data sets.
That US gov and mil did not understand Communist party support for North Korea, Vietnam?
The US went from war to investing in a nation with full Communist politics that did everything it could against the USA for decades.
That opening US computer production lines in a Communist nation would be secure at any price?
All that investment did was give US tech to Communist China for free.
Then invite US educators to give away US education to the world for free.
When it opened tech production line in Communist China in the 1980's-1990's?
That it was all going to be union free low cost Communist labor for decades making low tax computer parts?
The USA could have kept its tech production lines secret in low tax Ireland, secure in low tax parts of the USA, even opened up in Northern Ireland with a huge UK tax "considerations" just for creating local jobs.
The US gov allowed its tech brands to set up in China and now finds the Communist took the best US tech?
Don't build your tech factories in Communist nations and your tech will stay secure.
Lots of normal nations wanted US tech jobs and would have totally respected and supported all USA security just to get their work force new US tech production line factory work.
What did generations of US govs allow? Allow US brands to give away US secrets to Communist China with every new generation of tech investment.
Was the US brands ingratiation with a Communist party worth it now all the US secrets are lost?
Was a few MI6 and CIA "business" spy fronts deep in China worth the total loss of generations of US tech secrets to China?
With their "created" fake documents.
With shared documents.
Using another persons story to create documents to travel with.
People who have supported banned groups.
Who have applied for "protection" many times under different names and with different "stories" each time.
Criminals trying to gain a new clean ID as a person with another ID?
Re "So basically they want to conduct mass surveillance, predict where protests..."
Thats just the normal police part.
Think long term over decades and where political people can get work at later if they can hide their pasts.
Say a person who has the ability to become an engineer, is able to pass most of the US university exams to be able to get most jobs in the US mil/NSA/CIA.
A smart person who spent years on a political campus with "arts" students who want to spy on the USA and give its secrets away.
Years later and many exams results later that person is accepted into the US gov/mil/as a contractor.
Will a digital FBI/court document "investigation" show anything other than the person is not a wanted criminal/was a criminal?
They can pass any and all polygraph tests as they are not "spying" for another nation, not accepting money to spy. No cult/faith problems with sending US secrets back to another nation.
Such a person is then free to sneak into the US/gov/mil without too much to indicate their past domestic political background.
A database can then track who was political on campus and all their friends many years into the past. Friends of friends. Who ever attended a protest and then expected their identity to stay hidden decades later.
Who liked investigative journalism but stayed in science/math/engineering? Who was 'also' friends with the many campus protesters?
The people of faith, in a cult, the people who have a well hidden split loyalty to another nation.
Thats what so many people with no FBI file and no criminal record can do.
Stay hidden for decades, waiting to walk out with US gov/mil documents due to their "politics"/faith/friendships.
Re "move security clearances back to the FBI"
But the companies that make mil/gov products need to have more diversity and have to reflect the demographics of the surrounding city and state.
Think of what barriers to advancement by the local community new security clearances put up.
Need to be educated.
Not on drugs with a lifestyle that always needs funds to get more drugs.
No lifestyle with compromising information.
No gambling problems and open to offers of money.
No criminals.
Not spies for other nations. Not a spy for their faith/cult.
No split loyalty to another nation.
Not living in a tent city, RV due to poverty.
Someone who actually is a real US citizen.
Not an illegal migrant with fake/created state ID documents.
A person with dreams that another nation could make happen in return for some long term spying.
No political history of activism ie protester who will give information to other nations for party political reasons.
Once all that is sorted only a very few will be able to get the really great new jobs.
Slashdot Mirror
The US is still going to need a really great math education system.
Calling it Data Science still results in the need for math. Sooner or later the students will have to learn a lot more advanced math.
People who entered on merit will do well as they know how to study and can learn more math.
People who got selected on considerations other that the ability to study math will have a lot of math to do.
Tupolev Tu-155 for people interested in the history of liquid hydrogen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Re "Why does that matter?"
Walls have engineers that did complex calculations.
The reports mentioned showed what money put in resulted in. Decades later and all the money spent. Do we have a result yet?
Need more money again? Need to locate labs in more advanced and better nations with better quality workers?
Find more money again.
Need a better university system to make sure staff are hired on merit with skills?
Need really great staff and a lot more money this time in a nation that is innovative and advanced.
Find the money. A lot of it. Move the project to an advanced nation that has the very best staff. Given them time and a lot more money.
Move out of nations that have failed for years and start again in advance nation that can actually do decades of new "science".
Hire staff only on merit.
Ensure funding is in place.
Write another report that projects results decades out again.
With money in place and the very best staff this time will results be different?
Should the project work this time then the experiment shows not to invest in average nations with average staff.
1. Hire only the best staff. On merit who can do the work they got hired for without needing extra support in the company for years.
2. Have designers in a company who can work on new products that are "new".
3. Have engineers hired on merit who can do the advanced work and testing.
4. Ensure the new products work and make a profit.
5. Test the products to make sure they work in the real world under real conditions.
6. Have testing done and fix problems well before paying consumers find and report the same problems.
7. Always have staff learning new skills and hire new staff on merit to bring in new skills.
Any average company can create a product for existing market conditions. A few brands can take exisiting tech and bring in new advanced features.
A few of the very best brands every generation can create a new market that never existed.
Hire the best staff to ensure a brand can make its own new markets every generation that define the use of tech for that generation.
Its all in having the best staff and best workers. Find the best and support them. People who arrive on time. Who work hard. Who understand new problems and can work on new projects.
Think of "procedure" in a few different ways.
A nation can have great staff, the best people selected on merit but if the trains don't get replaced they have to go slow and wait for old equipment to be worked on.
Trains can be upgraded with new equipment but if staff get selected on demographics and not merit the work they do is not good. Staff with few skills then make a nations trains late due to their lack of skill.
When the staff are great and the are trains new the track still has to be looked at to ensure trains can travel at the speed that keeps the service on time.
Few nations have the money and staff skills to keep everything in place to have a really great train service.
The best new equipment, methods, great staff and support for the rail. No slow downs and random unexpected stopping due to staff error or problems with old trains.
Thats was the idea behind my comment. To get people to think back to when spending, hard work and staff hired on merit in different nations was a good thing.
Thats why I said "West Germany" :) :)
Before all the problems Germany now has
Re "procedure and timing". Thats called investment. So the rail is of a good quality and does not need work done during normal hours.
Re "orderly fashion" Thats having a population that understands that getting to work on time is something good.
Re "trains arriving every 5 minutes" Thats decades of investment and hard work nationally and at the company level in every aspect of train design.
Generations of really smart people going to work and doing a great job every day to ensure everything to do with trains is ready.
Re "procedure" does not work in other nations as the new equipment is not in place. The money is not spent well so the train does not arrive on time.
The rail is of such low quality new speed limits have to be set. So the train arrives late. When the work is done its never enough and slow speeds last longer.
Thats the difference in nations with skilled workers and good spending and failed nations with average workers and not enough investment.
"Procedure" does not work when the train has to stop while staff work on problems advanced nations fix before they have to stop and slow trains.
Passport controls are a simple idea. Travel into a nation by rail and show a real passport. A visa and reason for entering that nation.
No long stops between nations while people with no or fake documents have to be found.
Simple things that make rail travel work in nations and between nations.
Have the best staff. Have nations spending on rail. Keep rail working everyday and night so rail works when it's used daily.
Ensure people using rail have tickets and are able to travel into that nation. Keep stations clean and free of crime and criminals.
How long can that $1000 price cover for the costs of the parts?
The number of units sold will have to keep up for the profits to stay up.
The only way out if numbers sold is not working anymore is cheaper than China production lines.
When the UK spied on German troop trains in WW1 it used local people who had a reason to be in the area and who would not be noticed.
The UK had the best spies in position to spy on passing troop trains.
The Germans waited for the information collected to be passed back up spy networks and found the spies.
The UK failed at having a good way to pass information back quickly and with no way of getting detected.
During WW2 UK spies had poor radio and code security skills.
The ability to detect radio use and long term code use kept decrypted was something the UK took time to understand.
The "internet" is not used in the same ways as in the USA all over the world.
Habits and traits stand out given nations have total control over all their own internal internet use.
Once a plausible way of talking to the CIA is found using the internet is detected then nation will be all over that to find more people talking to the CIA in the same way.
Understand the culture you are spying on. Talk to all the anthropologist in the CIA and work out what kind of normal internet sites get visited a lot.
Expect people who are tempted to spy for the USA to be under constant watch. When the CIA can work out who will spy for them, so can that nation.
Visiting a strange web site not many other people in that nation have found/used will stand out when a nation watches its security cleared workers.
Never tell political leaders about what is found when spying. They will tell the press for political reasons and the world will know. The nations been spied on then only have a very short list of who to follow and find all the spies.
Stop talking to political leadership about what is found in real time. Politicians entire party structure is set up to talk to people. Don't tell the politicians secrets that uncover spies still in place.
How to make trains work like in West Germany, Japan and Switzerland.
1. Invest in nice new trains.
2. Hire the best staff on merit.
3. Look after the stations and trains. Keep the trains and stations clean. Passport controls and police to keep criminals away.
4. Look after the track. Upgrade the tracks with new technology every generation.
5. Have a national culture thats likes trains for work and holidays.
6. Understand what tourism needs. Work to ensure the best parts of a nation can be enjoyed by train. Tell the world about such train travel.
7. Understand what workers need everyday.
No AI needed. Just a good way of funding rail and the best staff.
Re "The type of prestige"
Ensuring users have to view ads? Stopping users from not viewing ads? Censorship for Communist China? Deranking search results?
Ensuring any new encryption is ad ready?
Development opportunities...
Ads and censorship....
Re "your parts" Imagine buying a car and having to go back to the car company for support until the car is recycled.
Parts of South America and non communist Asia would have offered the new US private sector investment the same tax and operating regulations.
To get the jobs. A 1970-1980's export location with electrical power, no tax and no regulations, new ports and roads.
English speaking experts. Rule of law.
They would have kept US secrets and offered equal low wages. No unions and no communist spies.
Their mil/governments would have done all they could to offer low wages and understood all NSA/CIA demands for US export security.
Why go for the nation with full Communism and all its support of past wars with the USA?
Start a new company.
Find quality work with another company.
Software and hardware that allows ads more time with users is still part of been an ad company AC.
The workers worked so hard getting the best education.
.... ad company.
Loans. All the exams. That wealth someone paid for the best education.
They found work at an
Working for Communist China and helping de rank the internet...
Start your own company with your own great ideas.
Find a really great company that makes product and services you actually like working with.
Thats what your education allows you to do.
The freedom to find work all over the USA.
They did PRISM for free. All that data from "trusted" US private companies direct into the US gov/mil :)
From deep in the big brands own networks. Unencrypted so the US gov could work with the data sets.
That US gov and mil did not understand Communist party support for North Korea, Vietnam?
The US went from war to investing in a nation with full Communist politics that did everything it could against the USA for decades.
That opening US computer production lines in a Communist nation would be secure at any price?
All that investment did was give US tech to Communist China for free.
Then invite US educators to give away US education to the world for free.
When it opened tech production line in Communist China in the 1980's-1990's?
That it was all going to be union free low cost Communist labor for decades making low tax computer parts?
The USA could have kept its tech production lines secret in low tax Ireland, secure in low tax parts of the USA, even opened up in Northern Ireland with a huge UK tax "considerations" just for creating local jobs.
The US gov allowed its tech brands to set up in China and now finds the Communist took the best US tech?
Don't build your tech factories in Communist nations and your tech will stay secure.
Lots of normal nations wanted US tech jobs and would have totally respected and supported all USA security just to get their work force new US tech production line factory work.
What did generations of US govs allow? Allow US brands to give away US secrets to Communist China with every new generation of tech investment.
Was the US brands ingratiation with a Communist party worth it now all the US secrets are lost?
Was a few MI6 and CIA "business" spy fronts deep in China worth the total loss of generations of US tech secrets to China?
With their "created" fake documents.
With shared documents.
Using another persons story to create documents to travel with.
People who have supported banned groups.
Who have applied for "protection" many times under different names and with different "stories" each time.
Criminals trying to gain a new clean ID as a person with another ID?
See AI winter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....
Re "So basically they want to conduct mass surveillance, predict where protests..."
Thats just the normal police part.
Think long term over decades and where political people can get work at later if they can hide their pasts.
Say a person who has the ability to become an engineer, is able to pass most of the US university exams to be able to get most jobs in the US mil/NSA/CIA.
A smart person who spent years on a political campus with "arts" students who want to spy on the USA and give its secrets away.
Years later and many exams results later that person is accepted into the US gov/mil/as a contractor.
Will a digital FBI/court document "investigation" show anything other than the person is not a wanted criminal/was a criminal?
They can pass any and all polygraph tests as they are not "spying" for another nation, not accepting money to spy. No cult/faith problems with sending US secrets back to another nation.
Such a person is then free to sneak into the US/gov/mil without too much to indicate their past domestic political background.
A database can then track who was political on campus and all their friends many years into the past. Friends of friends. Who ever attended a protest and then expected their identity to stay hidden decades later.
Who liked investigative journalism but stayed in science/math/engineering? Who was 'also' friends with the many campus protesters?
The people of faith, in a cult, the people who have a well hidden split loyalty to another nation.
Thats what so many people with no FBI file and no criminal record can do.
Stay hidden for decades, waiting to walk out with US gov/mil documents due to their "politics"/faith/friendships.
Re "move security clearances back to the FBI"
But the companies that make mil/gov products need to have more diversity and have to reflect the demographics of the surrounding city and state.
Think of what barriers to advancement by the local community new security clearances put up.
Need to be educated.
Not on drugs with a lifestyle that always needs funds to get more drugs.
No lifestyle with compromising information.
No gambling problems and open to offers of money.
No criminals.
Not spies for other nations. Not a spy for their faith/cult.
No split loyalty to another nation.
Not living in a tent city, RV due to poverty.
Someone who actually is a real US citizen.
Not an illegal migrant with fake/created state ID documents.
A person with dreams that another nation could make happen in return for some long term spying.
No political history of activism ie protester who will give information to other nations for party political reasons.
Once all that is sorted only a very few will be able to get the really great new jobs.