My point is that regardless of the crime, if you are arrested by a Federal LEO, you have been arrested by a Federal LEO.
Where I think we have a disagreement is that I am assuming that the swab will be taken after the arrest, and you are assuming that only arrests that will result in being charged with Federal offense will be swabbed. Perhaps I am wrong, but that was my take on the article. (Missed the broadcast.)
I submit you can be arrested by Federal Agents for all of the crimes you listed in your argument.
If you have stolen a car and take said car to a National Park where you get pulled over for speeding, the LEO is definitely going to arrest you.
If you are in a National Park (or virtually any other Federal property) and get into a fight, you are most probably going to be arrested by a Federal LEO.
You develop a brand spanking new technology, say one that allows a government to instantly disarm the entire population of another country and cause the inhabitants to welcome your soldiers by throwing flowers at their feet.
Since other countries just might want to utilize this invention, ignoring all IP infringements, following the normal patent process of publishing is not very practical.
You at the same time, do not want your competitors to be able to use your IP to underbid you, therefore you want to patent it.
When I was in the Army, we'd occasionally have to go on tactical marches. In general, the goal was to maintain a 5 meter spacing between you and the person in front of you while walking. If you were towards the rear of the columns, you alternately ran/stopped because of the yo-yo effect of everyone in front of you trying to maintain the magic 5 meter distance. The longer the columns, the worse the yo-yo effect. As it applies to traffic,
I used to drive a semi coast-to-coast. (early 80's) What I found interesting is the difference in traffic behavior in different cities during the rush hours. For example, Houston, TX traffic could be summed up with this Texas Two-step: "Go like hell. Stop" in 1/4 mile bursts.
11/12/07 Ordered XO through the G1G1 program, paid via CC/Paypal.
11/14/07 Received two emails, one thanking me for my support, the second informing me that OLPC would attempt to deliver prior to the holidays.
01/04/08 Received email stating that my order has shipped and how to track the order. Followed links from laptopgiving to FedEx. Tracking information showed that my order was already "out for delivery". Wow! I thought, I'll have it in time for the G'kids visit. Then I noticed that the package was being delivered to Washougal, Washington and not Abingdon, Virginia where I live. I sent a note off to OLPC's support informing them that delivery was off by some 2,600 miles.
01/15/08 Received response to my support query:
Dear Donor,
I was able to track your order and I do show your package was delivered bellow is the tracking information from FedEx:
Insert cut and paste from FedEx showing the package delivered.
01/16/08 Responded to OLPC's email of the 15th with comments that they had missed the point of the email. West Coast/East Coast -- not the same thing.
01/24/08 Received the following: We are in receipt of your inquiry and will respond to you as soon as possible. Please note due to overwhelming response, we may not be able to immediately respond to your inquiry, however, you will be contacted. The first mailing phase is scheduled to ship out just before the holidays, and I assure you that this will be rectified before your laptop is shipped out.
I am now really interested in what the next email will bring. Maybe I'll be in line for version 2 or 3 of the XO.
I remember that I was learning Morse code and was told that using flash cards wasn't the best way to learn, instead, listening to the code while learning was considered best. So I wrote a small pgm to generate the tones when my helper pressed a letter. Great fun, learned fast.
I then decided that I could write a pgm to decode my Morse from a telegraph key and print the letters on the screen so that I could learn to key properly.
In case anyone wonders...you do need a 100k resistor between the key and joystick port. This led to my next experiment which was learning how to replace chips in a C64.
Eventually, I learned enough electronics to use the C64 to take the results of a word processor and punch paper tape for later input to a photo setter.
No Mac; Didn't bother to learn how to use that one button mouse.
No iTunes; Didn't bother to expend the energy to have my favorite music follow me where ever I go. (As a charter member of the "Ole Fuddy Duddy" group, I kinda like the quiet.)
No Safari, and I couldn't tell you what Bonjour was.
I'm pretty sure QuickTime is not on any machine I own. Unless that OLPC I ordered for my niece has QT installed. I'd check, but you know, that would mean I'd have to open the package, start the computer, etc...:)
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My point is that regardless of the crime, if you are arrested by a Federal LEO, you have been arrested by a Federal LEO.
Where I think we have a disagreement is that I am assuming that the swab will be taken after the arrest, and you are assuming that only arrests that will result in being charged with Federal offense will be swabbed. Perhaps I am wrong, but that was my take on the article. (Missed the broadcast.)
Yes.
After your backside has been tattooed with the name of the file you were caught sharing.
I submit you can be arrested by Federal Agents for all of the crimes you listed in your argument.
If you have stolen a car and take said car to a National Park where you get pulled over for speeding, the LEO is definitely going to arrest you.
If you are in a National Park (or virtually any other Federal property) and get into a fight, you are most probably going to be arrested by a Federal LEO.
It's the greater part of the population that brought this on themselves when they allowed the singling out of "certain segments of the population".
You develop a brand spanking new technology, say one that allows a government to instantly disarm the entire population of another country and cause the inhabitants to welcome your soldiers by throwing flowers at their feet.
Since other countries just might want to utilize this invention, ignoring all IP infringements, following the normal patent process of publishing is not very practical.
You at the same time, do not want your competitors to be able to use your IP to underbid you, therefore you want to patent it.
It's that initial "O" that causes confusion.
When I was in the Army, we'd occasionally have to go on tactical marches. In general, the goal was to maintain a 5 meter spacing between you and the person in front of you while walking. If you were towards the rear of the columns, you alternately ran/stopped because of the yo-yo effect of everyone in front of you trying to maintain the magic 5 meter distance. The longer the columns, the worse the yo-yo effect. As it applies to traffic,
I used to drive a semi coast-to-coast. (early 80's) What I found interesting is the difference in traffic behavior in different cities during the rush hours. For example, Houston, TX traffic could be summed up with this Texas Two-step: "Go like hell. Stop" in 1/4 mile bursts.
Rats! Work calls...
11/12/07 Ordered XO through the G1G1 program, paid via CC/Paypal.
11/14/07 Received two emails, one thanking me for my support, the second informing me that OLPC would attempt to deliver prior to the holidays.
01/04/08 Received email stating that my order has shipped and how to track the order. Followed links from laptopgiving to FedEx. Tracking information showed that my order was already "out for delivery". Wow! I thought, I'll have it in time for the G'kids visit. Then I noticed that the package was being delivered to Washougal, Washington and not Abingdon, Virginia where I live. I sent a note off to OLPC's support informing them that delivery was off by some 2,600 miles.
01/15/08 Received response to my support query:
Dear Donor,
I was able to track your order and I do show your package was delivered
bellow is the tracking information from FedEx:
Insert cut and paste from FedEx showing the package delivered.
01/16/08 Responded to OLPC's email of the 15th with comments that they had missed the point of the email. West Coast/East Coast -- not the same thing.
01/24/08 Received the following:
We are in receipt of your inquiry and will respond to you as soon as
possible. Please note due to overwhelming response, we may not be able to
immediately respond to your inquiry, however, you will be contacted. The
first mailing phase is scheduled to ship out just before the holidays, and I
assure you that this will be rectified before your laptop is shipped out.
I am now really interested in what the next email will bring. Maybe I'll be in line for version 2 or 3 of the XO.
On a Univac 1230 or IBM 360, not sure which.
Otherwise, about '76, Bought a console game to connect to the TV, black and white breakout, pong, or tennis depending on how the dips were arranged.
Chris? Is that you?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/15/us/15water.html
Still waiting on the one I ordered 11/12.
According to the OLPC's site, mine was delivered 1/5 in Washington State, approximately 2600 miles away.
I for one welcome our new Sony root kit based overlords.
What Rights Online?
I remember that I was learning Morse code and was told that using flash cards wasn't the best way to learn, instead, listening to the code while learning was considered best. So I wrote a small pgm to generate the tones when my helper pressed a letter. Great fun, learned fast.
I then decided that I could write a pgm to decode my Morse from a telegraph key and print the letters on the screen so that I could learn to key properly.
In case anyone wonders...you do need a 100k resistor between the key and joystick port. This led to my next experiment which was learning how to replace chips in a C64.
Eventually, I learned enough electronics to use the C64 to take the results of a word processor and punch paper tape for later input to a photo setter.
No Mac; Didn't bother to learn how to use that one button mouse.
:)
No iTunes; Didn't bother to expend the energy to have my favorite music follow me where ever I go. (As a charter member of the "Ole Fuddy Duddy" group, I kinda like the quiet.)
No Safari, and I couldn't tell you what Bonjour was.
I'm pretty sure QuickTime is not on any machine I own. Unless that OLPC I ordered for my niece has QT installed. I'd check, but you know, that would mean I'd have to open the package, start the computer, etc...
QuickTime?
Haven't installed that in several years.
Your post makes you seem much younger.
Team A.T.T. & N.S.A.
(Providing that the data is routed through S.F., of course.)
I've been wanting one of these for my niece. Now she'll have one.
Fortunately I was not currently drinking my coffee when I came upon your post. :)
1. The last 5 road construction crews you saw?
2. The SA's desk when the network drops.
So why do I get the munchies when smoking? :)