Haha, speaking of knee-jerk reactions... that's not what the parent was saying at all. I know, you were just dying to say something about Team America: World Police. Next time you might want to actual read what he has said, not what you want him to say... Oh ya, and HTML tags are good.
Among other things, this has been proposed before, it is also being considered in Australia
I really have no idea how that turns into the US forcing its will on Australia. Maybe if I put on the Troll Goggles too?
Him: DRM is a noose around the neck of anyone who believes in freedom.
You:
Why is that the case? DRM is merely the practice of an individual business creating a product with limitations.
He's not talking about a free market. Of course the free market will decide, and cd sales will plummet. But will the 'mega corporations' attribute this to DRM or piracy? No worries, they will make their money back in court, either way.
The general public doesn't know about DRM and how their freedom has been limited. They probably think, "WTH, why isn't this CD playing on my computer? Stupid computer." I like the idea of a big DRM sticker.. Maybe I'll make my own and go stick them on the CDs myself!
I also give them a copy of whatever easy distro I have laying around and tell them to install it on a second computer and just 'play' with it.
I did exactly that when I first started learning Linux. But no distro taught me more about what was going on than Gentoo. Gentoo doesn't do much automatically and forces the user to do alot of the work and they have GREAT documentation to boot.
Disclaimer: Not trying to start a distro war or saying that Gentoo is neccessarily the best.. Just stating that it is a very useful learning tool. I wouldn't give it to someone that didn't want to learn more about Linux.
Beautiful. I think this explains the situation very well. When I do support and get payed to do it, I still get annoyed at people asking me stuff covered in the FAQ (still no rude response though).
The n00bs won't know any better, how can they? Hell, I don't think I've ever read any type of manual for Windows; and I used it for about 10 years before trying Linux.
I don't see how the developers, or uber-nerds, expect them to know right away where to look for this information.. I mean, this happens ALOT (obviously). Even if they don't walk the n00b through it, you'd still expect them to reply like they had some type of dignity, being a representative to the software.
Hrm, maybe all of the different software developers should have a mandatory "get out an socialize" day. On second thought, that sounds like it would do more harm than good.;)
You obviously haven't done support of any kind. Alot of hard work goes into these manuals. When people disregard these manuals completely it's a slap in the face... Then on top of that they expect you to hold their had and walk them through everything that is already in the manual.
Then guess what, if you do end up walking them through it, they expect you to always do that and don't ever read the documentation.
Sorry, I can't help people who don't even try to help themselves. The underlying theme of all of these stories is that they didn't RTFM, no matter which way you cut it. I can't fix everyones simple computer problems, and for that I am sorry. If people are expecting hold-your-hand support, they need to pay for it.
Please note: I am not condoning these condescending remarks, that, of course, is very rude. But people should be instructed to read the manual first, and just saying RTFM probably isn't the way to go. Maybe link them to where their answer can be found in the manual instead. I haven't seen a manual where I've had to 'comb' through it for hours to find the answers I want.
Mod me down, whatever; this is just how I feel and this is how I had to learn things and it works great... But come on, 'how do I start process daemons like a web server', he could have looked in the TOC of the manual, followed the link and WAM... Alot easier than joining mirc or a mailing list (alot quicker too).
The word to use here is 'Free' (Free Software Foundation). Proprietary formats take away your freedom and shouldn't be encouraged.
should the user not have the freedom to choose if he wants to use open-source drivers or proprietary drivers.
Does the user not have the freedom to choose now? That's the point; they are not forcing the proprietary formats on you, but you can always choose to use them if you so desire. But don't expect some foundation built off the idea of Free Software to help you with that.
FSF was built on ideals, not convenience. I'm glad they hold their GPL to a high standard. You should email your last sentance to Stallman; he'll probably respond with something about a cold day in hell.
In my opinion, drivers have been Nvidia's main strongpoint (not as much now). Hell, it's why I prefer Nvidia. Sure, they compete with cutting-edge hardware, but it is usually the drivers that give it that extra boost. You can also breath new life into older cards by updating their drivers.
I think it would be a good move if Ati open-sourced its drivers; it might make me give them another chance.
But still, both companies have alot to 'lose'. I'm sure alot of money has been poured into the development of those drivers (and how to make them fake benchmarking scores).
If you want to make it so that Steam doesn't load goto Start ---> Run ---> Type in 'msconfig' ---> Goto the 'startup' tab ---> uncheck the Steam Box, and while you're there most all of the other ones (I only have rundll32 and ctfmon checked).
I just put FC5 on a system of mine this past weekend. I've got Ubuntu on a few boxes, and it was also on the FC5 box. I can't really replicate his "smoking" results, because he doesn't go into any detail on how arrived at this conclusion. I haven't put a heavy strain on the comp yet, but I also haven't noticed any slow downs. Definately nothing different between the two with just normal everyday use. Hate to say it, but it sounds like he's talking out of his ass on that one.
It's a little weird how he also compared it to Slackware after that too... Hmmm, old old old distro versus bleeding edge distro, it just sounds like he was playing favorites. Pretty unprofessional, like this quote "Much more so than the latest Fedora Core, which to me looks like it would be right at home in a three ring circus... center ring of course." I mean, was that neccessary? WTH does that mean?
The author just seemed a little full of himself, like when he complains that he got some "canned" reply from Ubuntu. I think they have better things to do than play kiss ass with random dude that wrote some review on the internet. Everyone that goes to Mad Pengiun knows about Ubuntu, he didn't do shit for them. His reaction was rediculous.
Beyond that, the article was pretty good, but I wouldn't go reading into any of his comments... You know, like they were actually based on something tangible.
It's not exactly the music companies. I think it has more to deal with mp3 and the like being proprietary formats that are illegal to use in the US unless you've payed the licensing fee. The article actually talks about Easy Ubuntu, which supposedly (haven't used it) gives you access to these formats. There are also other reasons for not including these formats; like having a completely free system (as in freedom).
As for the MPAA deal, I'm not quite sure where you were going with that. I told you about Easy Ubuntu, but if you had trouble using Synaptec, I don't think you'll make it that far.
XP isn't easier, it's different. I hope you'll change your mind and give learning Ubuntu another try;)
an asteroid heading towards earth is natural too. but that's not an argument for not deflecting the thing. same with global warming: who cares if its natural or unnatural. it's more important that it's bad, and that we need to fix it. we can apportion cost and blame later. the point is to not apportion blame first, and then do nothing about the problem based on that
Common sense tells me the best way to solve a problem is to know its cause. No one is stopping you from seeding dead areas of the ocean with iron. It sounds like a very noble plan. Nuclear power plants? I'm all for it. But when you begin to speak Kyoto nonsense (I'm not talking about you inparticular), it looks like it's getting a little too political.
Drastic measures need to hold off for now. This includes the destruction of the US' economy; which would also prevent us from being able to spend money on research such as this. Sometimes I just think the greenies want us to live in a world with no modern machinery and only vegitables on the menu. Sorry, I don't have what it takes (and vegitables feel pain too!).
It just seems to me this planet has been through a little more than a 3 degree change per year. Look for yourselves, it's on those pretty color-coded charts. I have this faint memory of hearing something about an iceage before the 'industrial revolution', must have been from the lack of man-made pollution that warmed the place up!
Forgive me if I'm a bit bitter, but I'm really very tired of weeding through bullshit research to find information from someone who doesn't have an agenda to push.
Endless? They ended quite abruptly if I remember correctly. There were many factors, I'm sorry I lead you to think otherwise. But at one point in time there were a few hundred who played competitively (these people were able to run the game)
Speaking of professional gaming. I think it would be more entertaining, if we all lined up to kick this kid in the nuts. I mean, the kid comes out with a mousepad called the 'FATpad', and no, that's not PHAT. Not to mention the insufferable '1' he spells his handle with.
Maybe it can be the prize for defeating Romero at one of his own games?
When I played Tribes 2, me and most of my teammates would sit and watch T2 recordings all of the time. We did this because we wanted to get a look at different tactics and strategies, I suspect this won't be much different.I would also listen to shoutcasts of the matches as they happened, which I found to be pretty entertaining.
But what I want to know is, why the hell do you discourage this type of development? Are the networks not trying to cater to gamers more? Would you rather them not? Bitching about shit doesn't get anything done, ever. If you want improvement, suggest them.
Wow, you Apple puppets sure can't do math. The 120gig HD upgrade is 35 dollars, and 1899+35 != 2114. Sorry, thanks for trying. Please play again. I looked up those computers in about 20 seconds. I'm sure there are many, and much larger, differences. I usually like to compare PCs to the G5s; it really gets a laugh out of me. And no, dual-core processors don't cost 600 dollars more than their single-core counterparts (I did the math for you on that one).
I'ts cool, just say it: You like the steryl looking colors. Don't be ashamed. I'm sure Jobs sleeps much better at night knowing that the people who buy his products don't give a damn how overpriced they are.
Just don't expect the PC users not to laugh at you.
Aw, that's so sad. You got so wrapped up with what you though I said, you totally missed my point. For that I am sorry.
Here's the point you missed: The population is getting larger and larger. And yes, it can/does grow past to what you can support (Africa loves doing this). It's usually called starvation. Resources are also limited/finite, no matter how you measure them. So, we could potentially grow past the ability to support ourselves. And no, sorry, more people does not mean more resources.
Sure population will grow to what it can support, but it will suck hard for that generation.
It's cool, I don't get offended by people on the internet too easily.. especially ones that go off on wild tangents.
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You are obviously correct that most programming jobs will make no use of calculus, discrete math or even the theory of algorithms.
How do you program without using discrete math(Or an algorithm for that matter)? It's very hard to program without conditional statements.
Haha, speaking of knee-jerk reactions... that's not what the parent was saying at all. I know, you were just dying to say something about Team America: World Police. Next time you might want to actual read what he has said, not what you want him to say... Oh ya, and HTML tags are good.
Among other things, this has been proposed before, it is also being considered in Australia
I really have no idea how that turns into the US forcing its will on Australia. Maybe if I put on the Troll Goggles too?
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It's Ubu-n-t-u. Not that it's any better
Ogg Vorbis sounds sweet. Now GIMP, not so much. My
Him:
DRM is a noose around the neck of anyone who believes in freedom.
You:
Why is that the case? DRM is merely the practice of an individual business creating a product with limitations.
He's not talking about a free market. Of course the free market will decide, and cd sales will plummet. But will the 'mega corporations' attribute this to DRM or piracy? No worries, they will make their money back in court, either way.
The general public doesn't know about DRM and how their freedom has been limited. They probably think, "WTH, why isn't this CD playing on my computer? Stupid computer." I like the idea of a big DRM sticker.. Maybe I'll make my own and go stick them on the CDs myself!
I also give them a copy of whatever easy distro I have laying around and tell them to install it on a second computer and just 'play' with it.
I did exactly that when I first started learning Linux. But no distro taught me more about what was going on than Gentoo. Gentoo doesn't do much automatically and forces the user to do alot of the work and they have GREAT documentation to boot.
Disclaimer: Not trying to start a distro war or saying that Gentoo is neccessarily the best.. Just stating that it is a very useful learning tool. I wouldn't give it to someone that didn't want to learn more about Linux.
This could just relate to level of experience.
;)
Beautiful. I think this explains the situation very well. When I do support and get payed to do it, I still get annoyed at people asking me stuff covered in the FAQ (still no rude response though).
The n00bs won't know any better, how can they? Hell, I don't think I've ever read any type of manual for Windows; and I used it for about 10 years before trying Linux.
I don't see how the developers, or uber-nerds, expect them to know right away where to look for this information.. I mean, this happens ALOT (obviously). Even if they don't walk the n00b through it, you'd still expect them to reply like they had some type of dignity, being a representative to the software.
Hrm, maybe all of the different software developers should have a mandatory "get out an socialize" day. On second thought, that sounds like it would do more harm than good.
You obviously haven't done support of any kind. Alot of hard work goes into these manuals. When people disregard these manuals completely it's a slap in the face... Then on top of that they expect you to hold their had and walk them through everything that is already in the manual.
Then guess what, if you do end up walking them through it, they expect you to always do that and don't ever read the documentation.
Sorry, I can't help people who don't even try to help themselves. The underlying theme of all of these stories is that they didn't RTFM, no matter which way you cut it. I can't fix everyones simple computer problems, and for that I am sorry. If people are expecting hold-your-hand support, they need to pay for it.
Please note: I am not condoning these condescending remarks, that, of course, is very rude. But people should be instructed to read the manual first, and just saying RTFM probably isn't the way to go. Maybe link them to where their answer can be found in the manual instead. I haven't seen a manual where I've had to 'comb' through it for hours to find the answers I want.
Mod me down, whatever; this is just how I feel and this is how I had to learn things and it works great... But come on, 'how do I start process daemons like a web server', he could have looked in the TOC of the manual, followed the link and WAM... Alot easier than joining mirc or a mailing list (alot quicker too).
HAhahaha, I knew there was a reason you're on my friends list :)
Did someone say pot?
Baby steps man, baby steps.
The word to use here is 'Free' (Free Software Foundation). Proprietary formats take away your freedom and shouldn't be encouraged.
should the user not have the freedom to choose if he wants to use open-source drivers or proprietary drivers.
Does the user not have the freedom to choose now? That's the point; they are not forcing the proprietary formats on you, but you can always choose to use them if you so desire. But don't expect some foundation built off the idea of Free Software to help you with that.
FSF was built on ideals, not convenience. I'm glad they hold their GPL to a high standard. You should email your last sentance to Stallman; he'll probably respond with something about a cold day in hell.
In my opinion, drivers have been Nvidia's main strongpoint (not as much now). Hell, it's why I prefer Nvidia. Sure, they compete with cutting-edge hardware, but it is usually the drivers that give it that extra boost. You can also breath new life into older cards by updating their drivers.
I think it would be a good move if Ati open-sourced its drivers; it might make me give them another chance.
But still, both companies have alot to 'lose'. I'm sure alot of money has been poured into the development of those drivers (and how to make them fake benchmarking scores).
If you want to make it so that Steam doesn't load goto Start ---> Run ---> Type in 'msconfig' ---> Goto the 'startup' tab ---> uncheck the Steam Box, and while you're there most all of the other ones (I only have rundll32 and ctfmon checked).
I just put FC5 on a system of mine this past weekend. I've got Ubuntu on a few boxes, and it was also on the FC5 box. I can't really replicate his "smoking" results, because he doesn't go into any detail on how arrived at this conclusion. I haven't put a heavy strain on the comp yet, but I also haven't noticed any slow downs. Definately nothing different between the two with just normal everyday use. Hate to say it, but it sounds like he's talking out of his ass on that one.
It's a little weird how he also compared it to Slackware after that too... Hmmm, old old old distro versus bleeding edge distro, it just sounds like he was playing favorites. Pretty unprofessional, like this quote "Much more so than the latest Fedora Core, which to me looks like it would be right at home in a three ring circus... center ring of course." I mean, was that neccessary? WTH does that mean?
The author just seemed a little full of himself, like when he complains that he got some "canned" reply from Ubuntu. I think they have better things to do than play kiss ass with random dude that wrote some review on the internet. Everyone that goes to Mad Pengiun knows about Ubuntu, he didn't do shit for them. His reaction was rediculous.
Beyond that, the article was pretty good, but I wouldn't go reading into any of his comments... You know, like they were actually based on something tangible.
It's not exactly the music companies. I think it has more to deal with mp3 and the like being proprietary formats that are illegal to use in the US unless you've payed the licensing fee. The article actually talks about Easy Ubuntu, which supposedly (haven't used it) gives you access to these formats. There are also other reasons for not including these formats; like having a completely free system (as in freedom).
;)
As for the MPAA deal, I'm not quite sure where you were going with that. I told you about Easy Ubuntu, but if you had trouble using Synaptec, I don't think you'll make it that far.
XP isn't easier, it's different. I hope you'll change your mind and give learning Ubuntu another try
an asteroid heading towards earth is natural too. but that's not an argument for not deflecting the thing. same with global warming: who cares if its natural or unnatural. it's more important that it's bad, and that we need to fix it. we can apportion cost and blame later. the point is to not apportion blame first, and then do nothing about the problem based on that
Common sense tells me the best way to solve a problem is to know its cause. No one is stopping you from seeding dead areas of the ocean with iron. It sounds like a very noble plan. Nuclear power plants? I'm all for it. But when you begin to speak Kyoto nonsense (I'm not talking about you inparticular), it looks like it's getting a little too political.
Drastic measures need to hold off for now. This includes the destruction of the US' economy; which would also prevent us from being able to spend money on research such as this. Sometimes I just think the greenies want us to live in a world with no modern machinery and only vegitables on the menu. Sorry, I don't have what it takes (and vegitables feel pain too!).
It just seems to me this planet has been through a little more than a 3 degree change per year. Look for yourselves, it's on those pretty color-coded charts. I have this faint memory of hearing something about an iceage before the 'industrial revolution', must have been from the lack of man-made pollution that warmed the place up!
Forgive me if I'm a bit bitter, but I'm really very tired of weeding through bullshit research to find information from someone who doesn't have an agenda to push.
Endless? They ended quite abruptly if I remember correctly. There were many factors, I'm sorry I lead you to think otherwise. But at one point in time there were a few hundred who played competitively (these people were able to run the game)
Uh, no dude. As apposed to small indepedent developers not making money off of their hard work.
The large, non-independent developers are already making money off of their work... because they aren't independent and a publisher has payed them.
It seems to me the GP finds it good that people are getting payed for work.
Speaking of professional gaming. I think it would be more entertaining, if we all lined up to kick this kid in the nuts. I mean, the kid comes out with a mousepad called the 'FATpad', and no, that's not PHAT. Not to mention the insufferable '1' he spells his handle with.
Maybe it can be the prize for defeating Romero at one of his own games?
I find ooze to be incredibly offensive. Ooze melted into seat cushions, even more so. MOD PARENT DOWN
When I played Tribes 2, me and most of my teammates would sit and watch T2 recordings all of the time. We did this because we wanted to get a look at different tactics and strategies, I suspect this won't be much different.I would also listen to shoutcasts of the matches as they happened, which I found to be pretty entertaining.
But what I want to know is, why the hell do you discourage this type of development? Are the networks not trying to cater to gamers more? Would you rather them not? Bitching about shit doesn't get anything done, ever. If you want improvement, suggest them.
Tribes 2 died because of people like you, btw.
Wow, you Apple puppets sure can't do math. The 120gig HD upgrade is 35 dollars, and 1899+35 != 2114. Sorry, thanks for trying. Please play again. I looked up those computers in about 20 seconds. I'm sure there are many, and much larger, differences. I usually like to compare PCs to the G5s; it really gets a laugh out of me. And no, dual-core processors don't cost 600 dollars more than their single-core counterparts (I did the math for you on that one).
I'ts cool, just say it: You like the steryl looking colors. Don't be ashamed. I'm sure Jobs sleeps much better at night knowing that the people who buy his products don't give a damn how overpriced they are.
Just don't expect the PC users not to laugh at you.
Aw fuck! That's right! Damn, that extra core probably does cost about 600 dollars more. What value! It's no wonder more people don't buy macs!
Aw, that's so sad. You got so wrapped up with what you though I said, you totally missed my point. For that I am sorry.
Here's the point you missed: The population is getting larger and larger. And yes, it can/does grow past to what you can support (Africa loves doing this). It's usually called starvation. Resources are also limited/finite, no matter how you measure them. So, we could potentially grow past the ability to support ourselves. And no, sorry, more people does not mean more resources.
Sure population will grow to what it can support, but it will suck hard for that generation.
It's cool, I don't get offended by people on the internet too easily.. especially ones that go off on wild tangents.