I don't want to put it in my machine first. I want to put it in my camera and start taking photos.
Unless every single possible device I could put it in lets me format it, then shipping it unformatted is completely unacceptable.
Hopefully when we get our mandatory internet censorship that Stephen Conroy wants they will blacklist Facebook and we can finally put an end to this sort of stupidity.
Standards compliant code? You mean the way my freshly downloaded IE8 Beta 1 correctly renders ACID2, whilst my FF3 beta 3 doesn't?
Granted there is more the web standards than just passing the ACID tests, but this is certainly a big step in the right direction from the IE team.
...I email my collection (or part thereof) to my gMail account? Is that the same as distributing my music to Google as a company? After all, it's their storage I'm using.
VMWare et al don't count. You still need a *legal* copy of Windows to install into the virtual machine.
The main advantage of having something like ReactOS being API/Binary compatible is that you don't need to rewrite all the drivers, you can just run with the windows ones. Whether this is a good thing or not is questionable in itself given some of the dodgy 3rd party drivers out there.
I think the good thing about the whole IE7 scenario is that most news articles (other than the MS funded ones) mention the competition between Firefox and IE. This could potentially lead to new people discovering FF.
Come on. We all know that in this day and age of this new fangled inter-web thing that traditional parenting techniques such as supervision do not apply. The most effective way to follow up this complaint is for our Anonymous Coward to sue both/. and Billy West for tainting his/her poor child. That's how we handle things now isn't it?
So people are complaining because Microsoft are offering manuals for software they created in a format they created? I'm not really sure I understand that. Surely Microsoft has the right to dish out documentation in whatever format they wish...isn't that their freedom?
In addition to that, we are talking about documenation for a beta product, so if Microsoft piss all you people off by offering up documentation in this format (which BTW is open) all they do is antagonise you in to not installing their beta (which I doubt most of the people commenting on this would do anyway because they're the same people that have been slagging Vista from day one).
In conclusion, Microsoft are pissing you all of by offering documentation in an open format, thus stopping you from isntalling Vista beta, thus eliminating a substantial amount of customer feedback, thus shooting themselves in the foot in terms of software quality because unlike OSS they don't have as many eyes on it. To top it all of, you guys are complaining about this?
I was under the impression that/. was the type of community where people want to foster things like Microsoft shooting itself in the foot? Have I been so deluded by the comments here and you guys actually want them to succeed?
Taiwan's third-largest maker of motherboards, which connect electronic parts in computers
I'm glad this second half of that statement was in there because I know, like many/. readers, I've always wondered about what a motherboard is actually for.
Ideally you would want to end up with a situation like Wikipedia where you have such a large number of contributors (experts) that it cancels out all the garbge like you've mentioned.
Whether or not that is feasible in a system like this remains to be seen I guess.
The problem with someone like MS emplyoing the "release early, release often" policy is two-fold.
Firstly, they already get raked accross the coals for bringing out and exhorbitant number of patches. This is something I've never really udnerstand when Linux afficianado's criticize Microsoft. The last thing MS need as a company is more IT pro-type people generating bad press over a bunch of security issues or what not because they were in a hurry to get the product out the door. Will taking the extra time mean that Vista will ship totally, secure? Probably not, but at least they are acknowledging they have a problem and they are taking steps to overcome it.
Secondly, Windows dominates the home PC user market. These people are not as tech savvy as your average/. reader. Remember the stink that was caused when Microsoft turned on automatic updates by default? When I was at Uni, more than half the Computer Science department were affected by Blaster AFTER a patch was made avaialbe by Microsoft because they simply choce to ignore it. So, AVERAGE users clearly don't want to be downloading patches and updates all the time. They just want to put it on and have it work. Has MS provided this in the past? No, but again, they are taking steps to (hopefully) rectify it with Vista.
I don't think comparing Microsoft's release strategies with those of OSS is really a fair comparison because we are talking about a different scale and a different user base.
Well at least they are taking some responsibility and putting in some extra work on security. You gotta give them points for at least trying to do the "right" thing.
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I don't want to put it in my machine first. I want to put it in my camera and start taking photos. Unless every single possible device I could put it in lets me format it, then shipping it unformatted is completely unacceptable.
Hopefully when we get our mandatory internet censorship that Stephen Conroy wants they will blacklist Facebook and we can finally put an end to this sort of stupidity.
Standards compliant code? You mean the way my freshly downloaded IE8 Beta 1 correctly renders ACID2, whilst my FF3 beta 3 doesn't? Granted there is more the web standards than just passing the ACID tests, but this is certainly a big step in the right direction from the IE team.
...I email my collection (or part thereof) to my gMail account? Is that the same as distributing my music to Google as a company? After all, it's their storage I'm using.
VMWare et al don't count. You still need a *legal* copy of Windows to install into the virtual machine. The main advantage of having something like ReactOS being API/Binary compatible is that you don't need to rewrite all the drivers, you can just run with the windows ones. Whether this is a good thing or not is questionable in itself given some of the dodgy 3rd party drivers out there.
The US is more highly ranked than Russia because in Soviet Russia, Malware creates you!
Shouldn't it be called the GNU/Linux group? Let's get out terminology right people!
Isn't this the same as lumping Apache vulnerabilities in with Linux vulnerabilities? 3rd party mail app problems are hardly Vista's fault are they?
I think the good thing about the whole IE7 scenario is that most news articles (other than the MS funded ones) mention the competition between Firefox and IE. This could potentially lead to new people discovering FF.
You do realize that if you were SERIOUS about music you'd all me playing Fender Strat's anyway ;)
Could be promising if it's the same calibre as this.
Come on. We all know that in this day and age of this new fangled inter-web thing that traditional parenting techniques such as supervision do not apply. The most effective way to follow up this complaint is for our Anonymous Coward to sue both /. and Billy West for tainting his/her poor child. That's how we handle things now isn't it?
Did anyone else find this guys total lack of remorse in his actions a little...well...wrong!
Not to mention this quote
which implies that if it wasn't hard to get back in to he might consider it.
What an ass!
This implies that Windows 98 was WORSE than ME. I'm not sure that's entirely accurate.
Or it means you've done something deeply wrong in the past that you're now trying to rectify.
Are we talking about US hogsheads or UK hogsheads?
Here's a hint...don't buy it then. Sometimes the simplest ideas are the best
So people are complaining because Microsoft are offering manuals for software they created in a format they created? I'm not really sure I understand that. Surely Microsoft has the right to dish out documentation in whatever format they wish...isn't that their freedom?
In addition to that, we are talking about documenation for a beta product, so if Microsoft piss all you people off by offering up documentation in this format (which BTW is open) all they do is antagonise you in to not installing their beta (which I doubt most of the people commenting on this would do anyway because they're the same people that have been slagging Vista from day one).
In conclusion, Microsoft are pissing you all of by offering documentation in an open format, thus stopping you from isntalling Vista beta, thus eliminating a substantial amount of customer feedback, thus shooting themselves in the foot in terms of software quality because unlike OSS they don't have as many eyes on it. To top it all of, you guys are complaining about this?
I was under the impression that /. was the type of community where people want to foster things like Microsoft shooting itself in the foot? Have I been so deluded by the comments here and you guys actually want them to succeed?
I'm glad this second half of that statement was in there because I know, like many /. readers, I've always wondered about what a motherboard is actually for.
Don't knock it till you've tried it alright, Bubba and I are very happy together!
Ideally you would want to end up with a situation like Wikipedia where you have such a large number of contributors (experts) that it cancels out all the garbge like you've mentioned. Whether or not that is feasible in a system like this remains to be seen I guess.
Feature complete doesn't mean "we've included what we going to from the onset" it means "what's in this is what you'll get when it ships".
The problem with someone like MS emplyoing the "release early, release often" policy is two-fold. Firstly, they already get raked accross the coals for bringing out and exhorbitant number of patches. This is something I've never really udnerstand when Linux afficianado's criticize Microsoft. The last thing MS need as a company is more IT pro-type people generating bad press over a bunch of security issues or what not because they were in a hurry to get the product out the door. Will taking the extra time mean that Vista will ship totally, secure? Probably not, but at least they are acknowledging they have a problem and they are taking steps to overcome it. Secondly, Windows dominates the home PC user market. These people are not as tech savvy as your average /. reader. Remember the stink that was caused when Microsoft turned on automatic updates by default? When I was at Uni, more than half the Computer Science department were affected by Blaster AFTER a patch was made avaialbe by Microsoft because they simply choce to ignore it. So, AVERAGE users clearly don't want to be downloading patches and updates all the time. They just want to put it on and have it work. Has MS provided this in the past? No, but again, they are taking steps to (hopefully) rectify it with Vista.
I don't think comparing Microsoft's release strategies with those of OSS is really a fair comparison because we are talking about a different scale and a different user base.
It can't really be called vaporware when a feature complete CTP has already been released.
Well at least they are taking some responsibility and putting in some extra work on security. You gotta give them points for at least trying to do the "right" thing.