I think Wine might be the best thing that can possibly happen to Linux. The fact of the matter is that a small project just isn't likely to have the means of producing functional software on multiple platforms (at least not without sacrificing performance to go with Java or some alternative),
Being cross platform on the same architecture really isn't that difficult, so long as you only use libraries that are also supported on those different platforms. It's essentially a design consideration, if you plan things right being cross platform is a case of simply another compilation.
that is only because you cannot prove a negative, you cannot prove god does not exist just as you cannot prove the toothfairy does not exist, but there is little (read: no) evidence to support it's existence.
unfortunately, in so far as music production etc is concerned, pulseaudio is useless, the latency incurred by running jack on pulseaudio is very nasty.
That you know of, the csiro has been contacting the companies producing these chipsets for quite some time, wanting royalties, only after years of refusal did they sue.
The question then becomes, is it legal to give someone infringing your patents ample time to sort out patent issues after contacting them before suing, I'd like to think yes.
my bad for pre-empting the inevitable topic that would arise later in the discussion of this article. essentially I knew it would devolve into 'x is better than y' (as has happened later on in this discussion already) and funnily enough all the later posts are informative or insightful while essentially saying the same thing.
Slashdot posters and viewpoints are easy to predict most of the time, the groupthink is strong here, but lesson learned do not post something to resolve an argument before someone has posted to start it, lol
Gnome and kde are designed for different types of people, in gnome everything is typically simple and straight forward, but lacks the ability to be configured the exact way you like and is less powerfl.
KDE on the other hand, gives a lot more flexibility and power over the way you have things, but the trade off is complexity.
Both will continue to be relevant to their different markets for the foreseeable future. Even if development halted right now.(not that it would)
eh I was tired. but essentially, I strongly dislike any form of christian who is of the 'you are evil and going to a firey hell because you do not believe in god' type, when typically the person they are condemning is better by the christian moral sets than they are.
The problem is that religion has been perverted into a tool to control the population. It doesn't really matter what religion it is or how old or new it is. But the rulers of the populations using this tool called religion wasn't GOD or some Gods, it was a mortal man who made a claim.
The problem is that religion has ALWAYS been a tool to control the population, that is it's intended purpose. I agree that it does have some benefits in such a way that a fair few of the things it teaches are good, but it is still a tool to control the population and always has been. How effective it is until this day is a testament to how good of a job it has done in that role.
The entire problem with religion is, essentially, faith. 'Things must be done this way' - 'why?' -'they just are, it is what god says, don't question or doubt him' is more or less what all religions are about. That is a system of control.
Logical thought is essentially corrosive to religion, as is religion to logical thought. You cannot prove there is no god, just the same as you cannot prove there is no tooth fairy, but to say chances of them existing are in the same realm meets instant scorn, even though there is about the same level of solid evidence for both of them (none).
I for one would like people to question their beliefs and think about what is right or wrong themselves, rather than let themselves be controlled by someone elses will (even if the group controlling them has noble intentions).
If your belief cannot be questioned and or the rules thought of, since it is how god said it. how can it have any true meaning? since it cannot stand up to scrutiny.
Does the current or next generation still believe life is sacred? Why would they if they don't believe in a Creator that chose us and made us distinct and special? How is our value any different than the trees or the animals without this?
*sigh* yet another person who thinks you can only be a good, moral person if you believe in god. Integrity, honesty and other values do not depend upon believing in a tooth fairy like creature that made us all and can punish you, but upon other aspects of your childhood, environment etc.
Ironically I've found a lot of people who are heavily into church and god are actually those with worse moral qualities, but it is subjective and each person is different
Is the world a more peaceful place now that we are banning religion in every public place?
Has the world ever been peaceful? in the days when every man woman and child had to be religious or they would be burned at the steak, we had crusades which resulted in thousands of people being killed, all because they simply believed something else.
We cannot survive as a socioty by only following man's laws. Man's laws are easily broken when the Man is not watching.
and 'god's' laws are infallible and nobody could ever possibly break a law written down by a MAN a few thousand years ago?
The world in general has not changed, only your perception of it, with greater information we can now see more of the atrocities being committed, when before it was easier to sweep under the rug where no-one could see. The world overall has never been a pleasant or perfect place.
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It goes back to the old hate the sin and not the sinner.
in the context the grandparent used, it could be argued he was, 'hating the religion, not the followers
regardless, I think you will find that most people don't hate religion, but rather the effects of religion and faith on logical thought. Science is deeply corrosive to religion, so it can be seen why the church would fear it and in so many places merely say 'your wrong' and when queried on why simply say 'you just are'.
Generally the more education a person receives, the less 'devout' a christian (or other random faith) they become,to this day you still have fundamentalists out there who think that the world is only a few thousand years old, when most educated people would agree it is fairly damn likely it has been around somewhat longer.
People long ago stopped believing in the tooth fairy and santa claws, yet for some reason it is still a serious social taboo to say the chances of 'god' existing are in the same realm. No-one can prove there is no god, just as no-one can prove there is no tooth fairy.
People are free to believe as they wish, as they should be, but people should give thought as to what they believe in, and question their faith in something every now and then. If something is never questioned, then it has little real meaning, since it cannot stand up to scrutiny.
I've never quite understood why people from the US call soft drinks 'soda' also, I mean it doesn't contain bicarb soda, pretty sure it wouldn't have sodium oxide, or sodium hydroxide (strong alkaline) either.
1. paragraph tags make posts as long as yours easier to read, for future note
2.Your essential point is it's more efficient to use one presumably NUMA supercomputer to complete a task, which may or may not be the case depending on the supercomputer and the task given, but the point is.. they don't have a supercomputer, and likely don't have the funding for one.
Using their spare pc's at night in a clustered environment would be one of the most cost-efficient things they could do in so far as hardware purchasing, considering they already need and have the pc's setup in the right configuration
we don't all have a 128-cpu onyx 3800 gargantuan tower sitting in our closets for this kind of computing, we do tend to have at least a few relatively fast desktops available which would otherwise be off or idling.
Well considering linux with apache powers a considerable (i.e. more than windows) chunk of the web server market, shouldn't there be more malware and worms etc written for it already? considering they are all facing the web etc.
Perhaps it is time to admit that OpenGL [virtualdub.org] is a not the only kid on the block [slashdot.org] and start providing another popular API [wikipedia.org] that other developers want to use [beyond3d.com]?
I'm unsure as to whether your supporting opengl or bagging it, as all of the links actually say opengl is in many ways a superior standard, except the last one.
as for supporting directx in linux, except via wine wrapper it would be a cold day in hell before that happens, most likely.
The only real issue remaining is the slight vendor lock-in
have they resolved the whole 'the way your document looks when you print it is dependant on your printer drivers' thing? I know it was around in 2000 and pretty sure 2003, I know office isn't meant to be used for actual publishing or the like, however it's still something pretty major to be fixed.
perfect example being ctrl+alt+backspace (and ctrl+alt+f1 etc) being removed in upstream xorg, unless you manually enable it, which when your x is screwed is pretty hard to enable. had to ssh into the box to kill x recently, gay.
the change was implemented because one or two people on laptops accidentally managed to hit the key combo and kill their sessions, congratulations, idiots win
ubuntu is still barely breaking even, redhat has a market cap of 2.9billion, and don't even care about desktop users, they're all for the servers. different horses for different courses.
Oh, wait a second, I see the problem here.
You are a moron.
First up, personal attacks to the parent does not an argument prove, all it does is lessen your credibility.
By supporting a range of compilers we help make the kernel MORE robust to such changes, and these are both highly competent compilers, so the 'intersection' of features is actually most of the C/C++ specs..
Of course the intersection of features are the specs.. because they are the only standardized thing that makes it c, but as has been said, C leaves a LOT to the implementer in order to be flexible, the standard does not specify everything, and operating systems need to run at such a low level that what they deal with is NOT covered in said specs,
Furthermore, as for being 'more robust' to breakage when compiler changes occur by supporting more changes, bollocks, now instead of supporting one standard compiler that worked for platforms x,y and z with portable coding practices, you now have to monitor a second compilers changes just so it doesn't break on platform x aswell
Also you have to monitor that any changes you do to support the second compiler, don't break the building of the three platforms on the first.
Sounds like a lot of work for essentially no gains, and a lot of added complexity and room for errors that simply doesn't need to be there.
Of course you obviously have zero experience of such things. You seem to think 'better' means more highly tuned code - try maintaining a major project for more than 6 months, and you may well learn a thing or two.
By trying to support multiple compilers by changing source code to suit, you really are killing maintainability, with normal programs it might not be so bad, but as said the kernel relies on a LOT of things not standardized between compilers(inline assembly, etc etc), writing compiler specific portions for every aspect of it (and maintaining it) would be hell.
Again, you dont seem to know what you are talking about, do you perhaps measure compiler 'goodness' by Dhrystone mips?
I agree performance is never the be all and end all, however going the other route and saying performance is nothing is just as absurd.
Agree with your points, but the example of Britain trying to tell Australia what to do is probably a bad example, I mean the queen is still our head of state. (even though she's quite the lady, and doesn't really mess in our affairs)
haven't checked in the last month or two, but I know as of late last year the chipset used in the eeepc 1000H for wifi (rt2860) is unsupported by rt2x00, are are most chipsets that can do N. Work is under way, but timings indicated 'no set schedule for completion' so when it will be ready is unknown.
Look, don't tell me this shit. Yes, their compatibility across version leaves ample room for improvement, and I am no MS apologist, not. at. all. But shots from your hip do not amount to useful free software advocacy.
As I said, doc compatibility of MS Office is nearly there. Nevertheless, you experience more problems than when opening O2007 docx with the import filter that MS provided for O2003. You know, file format compatibility does not only cover fonts and stuff.
But it could be argued, the only reason free software does not suit your purpose is entirely because of your (or more likely the person before yours) decision to use the closed formats in the first place.
If I chose to write an 'app' in flash, I would have no right to complain that it won't work on a sparc linux box, for instance.
You know what they say, prior planning prevents poor performance, and if you want anything multi-platform or vendor neutral, microsoft just isn't the way to go.
As more appropriately paced games have come out since the hay-day of Quake 3
but that's precisely why people to this day still love quake 3, there has not been a faster game since it, a lot of people enjoy the fast and arcade like factor.
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I think Wine might be the best thing that can possibly happen to Linux. The fact of the matter is that a small project just isn't likely to have the means of producing functional software on multiple platforms (at least not without sacrificing performance to go with Java or some alternative),
Being cross platform on the same architecture really isn't that difficult, so long as you only use libraries that are also supported on those different platforms. It's essentially a design consideration, if you plan things right being cross platform is a case of simply another compilation.
that is only because you cannot prove a negative, you cannot prove god does not exist just as you cannot prove the toothfairy does not exist, but there is little (read: no) evidence to support it's existence.
unfortunately, in so far as music production etc is concerned, pulseaudio is useless, the latency incurred by running jack on pulseaudio is very nasty.
No mention of patents
That you know of, the csiro has been contacting the companies producing these chipsets for quite some time, wanting royalties, only after years of refusal did they sue.
The question then becomes, is it legal to give someone infringing your patents ample time to sort out patent issues after contacting them before suing, I'd like to think yes.
so far as geek is concerned, it would be hard to beat having /dev/null nethack world tournament entries and results etc in there. :)
my bad for pre-empting the inevitable topic that would arise later in the discussion of this article. essentially I knew it would devolve into 'x is better than y' (as has happened later on in this discussion already) and funnily enough all the later posts are informative or insightful while essentially saying the same thing.
Slashdot posters and viewpoints are easy to predict most of the time, the groupthink is strong here, but lesson learned do not post something to resolve an argument before someone has posted to start it, lol
Gnome and kde are designed for different types of people, in gnome everything is typically simple and straight forward, but lacks the ability to be configured the exact way you like and is less powerfl.
KDE on the other hand, gives a lot more flexibility and power over the way you have things, but the trade off is complexity.
Both will continue to be relevant to their different markets for the foreseeable future. Even if development halted right now.(not that it would)
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eh I was tired. but essentially, I strongly dislike any form of christian who is of the 'you are evil and going to a firey hell because you do not believe in god' type, when typically the person they are condemning is better by the christian moral sets than they are.
The problem is that religion has been perverted into a tool to control the population. It doesn't really matter what religion it is or how old or new it is. But the rulers of the populations using this tool called religion wasn't GOD or some Gods, it was a mortal man who made a claim.
The problem is that religion has ALWAYS been a tool to control the population, that is it's intended purpose. I agree that it does have some benefits in such a way that a fair few of the things it teaches are good, but it is still a tool to control the population and always has been. How effective it is until this day is a testament to how good of a job it has done in that role.
The entire problem with religion is, essentially, faith. 'Things must be done this way' - 'why?' -'they just are, it is what god says, don't question or doubt him' is more or less what all religions are about. That is a system of control.
Logical thought is essentially corrosive to religion, as is religion to logical thought. You cannot prove there is no god, just the same as you cannot prove there is no tooth fairy, but to say chances of them existing are in the same realm meets instant scorn, even though there is about the same level of solid evidence for both of them (none).
I for one would like people to question their beliefs and think about what is right or wrong themselves, rather than let themselves be controlled by someone elses will (even if the group controlling them has noble intentions).
If your belief cannot be questioned and or the rules thought of, since it is how god said it. how can it have any true meaning? since it cannot stand up to scrutiny.
Does the current or next generation still believe life is sacred? Why would they if they don't believe in a Creator that chose us and made us distinct and special? How is our value any different than the trees or the animals without this?
*sigh* yet another person who thinks you can only be a good, moral person if you believe in god.
Integrity, honesty and other values do not depend upon believing in a tooth fairy like creature that made us all and can punish you, but upon other aspects of your childhood, environment etc.
Ironically I've found a lot of people who are heavily into church and god are actually those with worse moral qualities, but it is subjective and each person is different
Is the world a more peaceful place now that we are banning religion in every public place?
Has the world ever been peaceful? in the days when every man woman and child had to be religious or they would be burned at the steak, we had crusades which resulted in thousands of people being killed, all because they simply believed something else.
We cannot survive as a socioty by only following man's laws. Man's laws are easily broken when the Man is not watching.
and 'god's' laws are infallible and nobody could ever possibly break a law written down by a MAN a few thousand years ago?
The world in general has not changed, only your perception of it, with greater information we can now see more of the atrocities being committed, when before it was easier to sweep under the rug where no-one could see. The world overall has never been a pleasant or perfect place.
It goes back to the old hate the sin and not the sinner.
in the context the grandparent used, it could be argued he was, 'hating the religion, not the followers
regardless, I think you will find that most people don't hate religion, but rather the effects of religion and faith on logical thought. Science is deeply corrosive to religion, so it can be seen why the church would fear it and in so many places merely say 'your wrong' and when queried on why simply say 'you just are'.
Generally the more education a person receives, the less 'devout' a christian (or other random faith) they become,to this day you still have fundamentalists out there who think that the world is only a few thousand years old, when most educated people would agree it is fairly damn likely it has been around somewhat longer.
People long ago stopped believing in the tooth fairy and santa claws, yet for some reason it is still a serious social taboo to say the chances of 'god' existing are in the same realm. No-one can prove there is no god, just as no-one can prove there is no tooth fairy.
People are free to believe as they wish, as they should be, but people should give thought as to what they believe in, and question their faith in something every now and then. If something is never questioned, then it has little real meaning, since it cannot stand up to scrutiny.
I've never quite understood why people from the US call soft drinks 'soda' also, I mean it doesn't contain bicarb soda, pretty sure it wouldn't have sodium oxide, or sodium hydroxide (strong alkaline) either.
1. paragraph tags make posts as long as yours easier to read, for future note
2.Your essential point is it's more efficient to use one presumably NUMA supercomputer to complete a task, which may or may not be the case depending on the supercomputer and the task given, but the point is.. they don't have a supercomputer, and likely don't have the funding for one.
Using their spare pc's at night in a clustered environment would be one of the most cost-efficient things they could do in so far as hardware purchasing, considering they already need and have the pc's setup in the right configuration
we don't all have a 128-cpu onyx 3800 gargantuan tower sitting in our closets for this kind of computing, we do tend to have at least a few relatively fast desktops available which would otherwise be off or idling.
Well considering linux with apache powers a considerable (i.e. more than windows) chunk of the web server market, shouldn't there be more malware and worms etc written for it already? considering they are all facing the web etc.
or just get a native postscript printer, which only needs a ppd file and not even that if you don't want to.
Perhaps it is time to admit that OpenGL [virtualdub.org] is a not the only kid on the block [slashdot.org] and start providing another popular API [wikipedia.org] that other developers want to use [beyond3d.com]?
I'm unsure as to whether your supporting opengl or bagging it, as all of the links actually say opengl is in many ways a superior standard, except the last one.
as for supporting directx in linux, except via wine wrapper it would be a cold day in hell before that happens, most likely.
The only real issue remaining is the slight vendor lock-in
have they resolved the whole 'the way your document looks when you print it is dependant on your printer drivers' thing? I know it was around in 2000 and pretty sure 2003, I know office isn't meant to be used for actual publishing or the like, however it's still something pretty major to be fixed.
perfect example being ctrl+alt+backspace (and ctrl+alt+f1 etc) being removed in upstream xorg, unless you manually enable it, which when your x is screwed is pretty hard to enable. had to ssh into the box to kill x recently, gay.
the change was implemented because one or two people on laptops accidentally managed to hit the key combo and kill their sessions, congratulations, idiots win
ubuntu is still barely breaking even, redhat has a market cap of 2.9billion, and don't even care about desktop users, they're all for the servers. different horses for different courses.
Oh, wait a second, I see the problem here.
You are a moron.
First up, personal attacks to the parent does not an argument prove, all it does is lessen your credibility.
By supporting a range of compilers we help make the kernel MORE robust to such changes, and these are both highly competent compilers, so the 'intersection' of features is actually most of the C/C++ specs..
Of course the intersection of features are the specs.. because they are the only standardized thing that makes it c, but as has been said, C leaves a LOT to the implementer in order to be flexible, the standard does not specify everything, and operating systems need to run at such a low level that what they deal with is NOT covered in said specs,
Furthermore, as for being 'more robust' to breakage when compiler changes occur by supporting more changes, bollocks, now instead of supporting one standard compiler that worked for platforms x,y and z with portable coding practices, you now have to monitor a second compilers changes just so it doesn't break on platform x aswell
Also you have to monitor that any changes you do to support the second compiler, don't break the building of the three platforms on the first.
Sounds like a lot of work for essentially no gains, and a lot of added complexity and room for errors that simply doesn't need to be there.
Of course you obviously have zero experience of such things. You seem to think 'better' means more highly tuned code - try maintaining a major project for more than 6 months, and you may well learn a thing or two.
By trying to support multiple compilers by changing source code to suit, you really are killing maintainability, with normal programs it might not be so bad, but as said the kernel relies on a LOT of things not standardized between compilers(inline assembly, etc etc), writing compiler specific portions for every aspect of it (and maintaining it) would be hell.
Again, you dont seem to know what you are talking about, do you perhaps measure compiler 'goodness' by Dhrystone mips?
I agree performance is never the be all and end all, however going the other route and saying performance is nothing is just as absurd.
Agree with your points, but the example of Britain trying to tell Australia what to do is probably a bad example, I mean the queen is still our head of state. (even though she's quite the lady, and doesn't really mess in our affairs)
haven't checked in the last month or two, but I know as of late last year the chipset used in the eeepc 1000H for wifi (rt2860) is unsupported by rt2x00, are are most chipsets that can do N. Work is under way, but timings indicated 'no set schedule for completion' so when it will be ready is unknown.
Same with my 1000H eeepc, fedora's more of a developers setup than users, typically though.
Look, don't tell me this shit. Yes, their compatibility across version leaves ample room for improvement, and I am no MS apologist, not. at. all. But shots from your hip do not amount to useful free software advocacy. As I said, doc compatibility of MS Office is nearly there. Nevertheless, you experience more problems than when opening O2007 docx with the import filter that MS provided for O2003. You know, file format compatibility does not only cover fonts and stuff.
But it could be argued, the only reason free software does not suit your purpose is entirely because of your (or more likely the person before yours) decision to use the closed formats in the first place.
If I chose to write an 'app' in flash, I would have no right to complain that it won't work on a sparc linux box, for instance.
You know what they say, prior planning prevents poor performance, and if you want anything multi-platform or vendor neutral, microsoft just isn't the way to go.
As more appropriately paced games have come out since the hay-day of Quake 3
but that's precisely why people to this day still love quake 3, there has not been a faster game since it, a lot of people enjoy the fast and arcade like factor.