I know it's convenient to dismiss Apple's success as due to blind press coverage or blind fans buying anything they sell, but that is a bit of a false argument. Every platform has blind adherents, but Apple seems to have loyal adherents because Apple DOES incorporate the functionality that most average users want. The problem is many Slashdotters think that Apple products are horribly crippled and yet for most people Apple products do all that they need or want.
Much like the iPhone, the iPad is a leader in design, UI, and usability. The iPhone led out of the gate because no one was doing anything remotely liked it and it stood out. Some negative folks said it wouldn't sell, sat on their laurels, and then when it did they COPIED it (Android, BB, etc.). Same thing with iPad. No one had the balls, or innovative DNA to do it themselves, Apple came out, it's a big seller, and now the Android and BB copies are starting to roll out.
Nothing wrong with copying success, but it would be nice if they had an idea on their own lately instead of photocopying Apple.
I guess my first reply is that you are right, nobody has any idea how many people got killed by releasing the information, so let's not assume they did until we have a documented case of it. That assumption of damage is exactly the manipulation the US Gov't is trying to push on people, but right now it's just that, a manipulation technique.
I mean this as an honest question, but why would referencing BP as British Petroleum get everyone upset? Is that not the name the BP initials are derived from?
You might take the time to notice that the US doesn't give a shit about human rights, except in word only. We stand by and watch genocide and then slaughter thousands in the interest of cheap oil. We hold prisoners without trial indefinitely. We torture those prisoners against the Geneva Convention (and basic human decency.
I'm a citizen, and the US is hardly all evil, but we are definitely a bully.
He references the press conference in his earlier post. You said he provided no references and he did. Look back and find it yourself.
And is it really worth this exercise. Your last sentence clearly shows you are already predisposed to discounting any evidence or reference that conflicts with what you believe.
Consumer Reports is hardly trustworthy. They treated this iPhone thing as a hit generating media blitz. First their review crowned it the king of cell phones, then they came out a couple weeks later with the not recommended rating (unless Apple provides cases for free), then Apple provided cases and CR still said they didn't recommend it even though Apple did what they asked. It was a media campaign that week designed to get tons of free advertising off Apple's back. Every day that week CR released some new (conflicting) statement that got them in the news.
Sorry, but if you think CR is the only trustworthy source of reviews then you're living under a rock.
That was exactly my thought when I saw this story. "Cue the Android apologists!" (aka Apple haters). I've seen a bunch of posts justifying this, all using reasons that would also apply to Apple's App Store, but somehow it's okay when Android does it. I can see why both platforms might want some non-intrusive DRM, but it's amusing to watch people give a free pass to Android when they'd be screaming "walled garden!!" if it was Apple.
I guess hypocrisy has been open sourced because hypocrisy wants to be free!!
Actually, I think his argument is pretty solid. The fact that you found a way to negate his argument 2% of the time does not take away from the fact that he is right 98% of the time. Try and use your brain and find something more useful to say that fanboi comments. They tend to make you look like an anti-fanboi fanboi and that's just plain stupid.
Actually you are incorrect. He didn't need to make the stop at all because there was a marked police cruiser behind the bike. The cop was wrong. The wiretapping charge is wrong. I've become a big fan of the ACLU because of stuff like this. They may argue cases I disagree with, but it's essential cases like this, where they protect us from the tyranny of government, that makes it all worthwhile.
About the only thing making you more of a conformist nowadays is being a blind Apple hater who says things like "those overpriced, locked-down status symbols." Funny how the same people who may have been considered independent by choosing a Mac are still using the Mac even though it is now fashionable by almost everyone to hate Apple. So in reality they are still independent, and in reality they still chose their Apple products because they liked them better, not to be fashionable.
Well that's a bit extreme, isn't it? The stats that were shown seem to align with what I've seen with all the people I know who have the iPhone 4, that it's an extremely rare issue. And if it's a rare issue, a case of the tail wagging the dog, then maybe making a huge deal out of a reply to an issue with a low incidence of occurence is not the smartest move? Less than one percent called in to Applecare about it. Sure it needs to be looked into, but it was blown ridiculously out of proportion. Much like your statement I quoted above, WAY out of proportion to reality.
Yes, but don't you understand his post is not based on reason, but on blind hatred of Apple? I was wondering how far I'd have to scroll to find someone who decided to frame this in a negative light with respect to Apple, and I didn't have to scroll far.
But if there is a legitimate reason why Motorola would do this with a Droid phone, then couldn't there be a legitimate reason for Apple to do it with an Apple phone?
I know you never mentioned Apple in your post, so my reply is more for the community at large, but I think we're starting to see that open isn't even open.
I don't care about facts. This is obviously a monopoly by Google and Motorola to produce this walled garden phone that won't install the apps I want and isn't open and thus is EVIL!!
In case you couldn't tell, I am playing the role of the usual over-reacting Slashdot poster going on a hypocritical moral rant. Facts are usually immaterial in these arguments.
I thought they were open, but apparently they have a walled garden just like Apple. I can't install any Apple apps on an Android phone. They are trying to lock me in to only Android apps. I should have the freedom to install any apps on MY phone. It's just another example of the way Google is trying to control everything you do AND they are trying to make money. They make money on AdMob ads, they make money on their app store. Google is so evil.
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I know it's convenient to dismiss Apple's success as due to blind press coverage or blind fans buying anything they sell, but that is a bit of a false argument. Every platform has blind adherents, but Apple seems to have loyal adherents because Apple DOES incorporate the functionality that most average users want. The problem is many Slashdotters think that Apple products are horribly crippled and yet for most people Apple products do all that they need or want.
Much like the iPhone, the iPad is a leader in design, UI, and usability. The iPhone led out of the gate because no one was doing anything remotely liked it and it stood out. Some negative folks said it wouldn't sell, sat on their laurels, and then when it did they COPIED it (Android, BB, etc.). Same thing with iPad. No one had the balls, or innovative DNA to do it themselves, Apple came out, it's a big seller, and now the Android and BB copies are starting to roll out.
Nothing wrong with copying success, but it would be nice if they had an idea on their own lately instead of photocopying Apple.
I guess my first reply is that you are right, nobody has any idea how many people got killed by releasing the information, so let's not assume they did until we have a documented case of it. That assumption of damage is exactly the manipulation the US Gov't is trying to push on people, but right now it's just that, a manipulation technique.
I mean this as an honest question, but why would referencing BP as British Petroleum get everyone upset? Is that not the name the BP initials are derived from?
You might take the time to notice that the US doesn't give a shit about human rights, except in word only. We stand by and watch genocide and then slaughter thousands in the interest of cheap oil. We hold prisoners without trial indefinitely. We torture those prisoners against the Geneva Convention (and basic human decency.
I'm a citizen, and the US is hardly all evil, but we are definitely a bully.
He references the press conference in his earlier post. You said he provided no references and he did. Look back and find it yourself.
And is it really worth this exercise. Your last sentence clearly shows you are already predisposed to discounting any evidence or reference that conflicts with what you believe.
Actually he did, he referenced the press conference.
Consumer Reports is hardly trustworthy. They treated this iPhone thing as a hit generating media blitz. First their review crowned it the king of cell phones, then they came out a couple weeks later with the not recommended rating (unless Apple provides cases for free), then Apple provided cases and CR still said they didn't recommend it even though Apple did what they asked. It was a media campaign that week designed to get tons of free advertising off Apple's back. Every day that week CR released some new (conflicting) statement that got them in the news.
Sorry, but if you think CR is the only trustworthy source of reviews then you're living under a rock.
That was exactly my thought when I saw this story. "Cue the Android apologists!" (aka Apple haters). I've seen a bunch of posts justifying this, all using reasons that would also apply to Apple's App Store, but somehow it's okay when Android does it. I can see why both platforms might want some non-intrusive DRM, but it's amusing to watch people give a free pass to Android when they'd be screaming "walled garden!!" if it was Apple.
I guess hypocrisy has been open sourced because hypocrisy wants to be free!!
Is your blind hatred of Apple clouding your judgement or is it your foolish Android fanboy viewpoint?
Maybe there are some good reasons to not allow Flash on your platform?
The XBox has worked well if you don't consider making a profit for years an acceptable business practice.
Usability by the average consumer.
Actually, I think his argument is pretty solid. The fact that you found a way to negate his argument 2% of the time does not take away from the fact that he is right 98% of the time. Try and use your brain and find something more useful to say that fanboi comments. They tend to make you look like an anti-fanboi fanboi and that's just plain stupid.
Actually you are incorrect. He didn't need to make the stop at all because there was a marked police cruiser behind the bike. The cop was wrong. The wiretapping charge is wrong. I've become a big fan of the ACLU because of stuff like this. They may argue cases I disagree with, but it's essential cases like this, where they protect us from the tyranny of government, that makes it all worthwhile.
About the only thing making you more of a conformist nowadays is being a blind Apple hater who says things like "those overpriced, locked-down status symbols." Funny how the same people who may have been considered independent by choosing a Mac are still using the Mac even though it is now fashionable by almost everyone to hate Apple. So in reality they are still independent, and in reality they still chose their Apple products because they liked them better, not to be fashionable.
Sort of blows your half baked theory doesn't it?
And with that comment how do you sound any different that the people you're complaining about?
Could you give me an example of when that has ever happened?
And could you also include Android in that category since they have the capability to do that too?
This about the biggest piece of baiting for comments I've ever seen. What a joke.
Lying, cheating, treating people like shit?
Well that's a bit extreme, isn't it? The stats that were shown seem to align with what I've seen with all the people I know who have the iPhone 4, that it's an extremely rare issue. And if it's a rare issue, a case of the tail wagging the dog, then maybe making a huge deal out of a reply to an issue with a low incidence of occurence is not the smartest move? Less than one percent called in to Applecare about it. Sure it needs to be looked into, but it was blown ridiculously out of proportion. Much like your statement I quoted above, WAY out of proportion to reality.
Yes, but don't you understand his post is not based on reason, but on blind hatred of Apple? I was wondering how far I'd have to scroll to find someone who decided to frame this in a negative light with respect to Apple, and I didn't have to scroll far.
But then didn't they tacitly admit the mistake by going x86 and OS X? So your argument kind of defeated itself didn't it?
But if there is a legitimate reason why Motorola would do this with a Droid phone, then couldn't there be a legitimate reason for Apple to do it with an Apple phone?
I know you never mentioned Apple in your post, so my reply is more for the community at large, but I think we're starting to see that open isn't even open.
I don't care about facts. This is obviously a monopoly by Google and Motorola to produce this walled garden phone that won't install the apps I want and isn't open and thus is EVIL!!
In case you couldn't tell, I am playing the role of the usual over-reacting Slashdot poster going on a hypocritical moral rant. Facts are usually immaterial in these arguments.
I thought they were open, but apparently they have a walled garden just like Apple. I can't install any Apple apps on an Android phone. They are trying to lock me in to only Android apps. I should have the freedom to install any apps on MY phone. It's just another example of the way Google is trying to control everything you do AND they are trying to make money. They make money on AdMob ads, they make money on their app store. Google is so evil.