Good question, except for the detail that this gentleman does not work for Diebold. He is in the HBO documentary about Diebold. If we ever get an interview with a Diebold employee, I'd be amazed, but that would be where to ask that one.
The only way I can think of is to petition the school. Just tell a bunch of people that the school has determined that they don't need classes that for people going into technologies. Spin it so that it looks like the school is forcing students to lose their chances into colleges and such. Spin the stadium to the effect that they spent all this money on it, but when someone wants to learn how to work with/on it, they won't spend a dime.
After you get the petition going, attend a district meeting and speak up about it. Just keep pissing and moaning. Eventually, people will listen.
"If the options offered by the University are not to the satisfaction of the students, they have the possible option of buying internet access from a third party"
Here at EIU we cannot buy third party access. If we do so, we violate our residance agreements. Furthermore, we can't setup wireless APs ourselves, we can't log on without doing the following (for windows), have CleanAccessAgent running, have bridge networking turned off, have every Windows Update, have one of three major AV programs (Symantic is provided at no additional cost), and have all these running all the time, (for everyone else) you have to open a browser window and log in with your username and password.
At first it seems that they're trying to get people to give up on Windows, but then the network is so slow that pretty much all Linux distributions would be a waste of time anyway because you can't download anything fast enough.
I am currently attending a university where they shape traffic. I have been here for as long as the shaping system has been in place and I have heard nothing but complaints. Granted, the university implemented CleanAccess as well, but most of the complaints seem to be related to the shaping and I don't work in ITS, so this is all just what I have picked up from living here. The most common complaint seems to be how slow the network is period, not just for P2P purposes. I can't even connect to the completely legitimate website www.ilounge.com, it never times out, it just keeps on "transmitting data".
I apparently can't use any proxy servers either. If I do a download from a sourceforge mirror, it comes in at about 40 kb/s which isn't too bad, but if I do a download from bit torrent I'm lucky if it comes in at.5 kb/s. This effectively prohibits me from effiently installing a customized Linux distribution, like Gentoo, because I can't install any packages at any relative speed.
In response to the shaping, which functions more like bandwidth limiting, an individual within the dorms has set up a DC++ hub, so while we may not be able to get anything from outside the network, we can at least get things from within. This just goes to show you that no matter what you do to "limit" illegal activities, people will find a way. So my answer to the OP would be to let them have it, just limit the actual bandwidth they can use, which is similar to how University of Illinois handles the problem.
Everyone I know who has a windows laptop of any form has always found that the battery drains quickly. Granted I don't know too many people who condition their batteries properly or anything of the sort, but it kind of leads me to believe that Windows doesn't do a whole lot with power management over all.
Windows Vista Ultimate: $399
Windows Vista Home Premium: $239
Windows Vista Home Basic: $179
Windows Vista Ultimate Upgrade: $259
Windows Vista Home Premium Upgrade: $159
Windows Vista Home Basic Upgrade: $99
Linux kernel 2.6.17: Priceless
I had a situation a while ago where my Windows XP install wouldn't boot. So I figured I'd try running it through VMWare in Linux. I set it all up, get VMWare set to look at the partition, unmounted the partition (yay FAT32 drives) and started the virtual machine. Sure enough, it booted with no problems. After a week or two, my roommate needed to use my computer cause his was on the fritz and mine was turned off. I told him before to feel free, so he boots it up, selects Windows XP through GRUB and it boots fine. I look at it and think, "What the hell?!" I rebooted again, tried to boot Windows, didn't work. Went into Linux, VMWare booted it, rebooted and Windows worked.
So for 3 weeks (the time it took to get any important files and such off of there, because I didn't want to accidently blow a big paper or story away), the only way I could boot into Windows was if I had VMWared it before hand. Since then, I've reinstalled Windows, but I rarely use it now...I should re-allocate that HD.
Extremely unfortunate for those of us who are OSS enthusiasts on OS X Gentoo on OS X is lightyears behind Fink. No GUI, very little support, and an update right now is impossible, because they have so many bugs that have to be worked out. I just tried to sync my portage tree and upgrade everything and I get errors galore!
If people put effort into it, I'm sure it would be useful, but there haven't been many updates on it in forever and the forums are a major dissapointment. Gentoo has also impressed me with the community it has, but the Gentoo on OS X forum takes weeks for a response.
Why though? I understand your just pointing out a different perspective, but no one will see that perpective unless you give reasoning. I can't really think of a reason to let it die other than it taking up time.
Here's a question. How does this arrest effect all the businesses that exist that use video cameras for security purposes? If their going for these people, they damn well better go for all those businesses and such!
There's worse. My friend's brother got a detention because he referenced something covered 3 months earlier.
He started saying "I admire Hitler" and was cut off by a random teacher right there and taken down to the dean's office because he earned himself a detention for that. Not one of the deans would tell his mother why he had a detention, nor what they thought he said, nor even meet with her to explain it. She had to bitch to the principal before she got a meeting out of it. Even then she was told that there was nothing she could say or do to change the outcome so it was a waste of time.
The worst part about it is his teacher had held a class-length discussion on the good things Hitler did. Obviously she followed with the next class being the bad of Hitler. So he basically got punished for what he was tought to do, reference other knowledge, discussions and whatnot.
For the first time in my life I think private school maybe better!
That's a valid point. But then the problem arises that someone could easily argue that he never intended to use it to circumvent the school's filters.
A slightly different tale of troubles with stupid public high schools and their filters:
I know when I was in high school I had to sign a waiver that was never once explained to me, never did I see it again, and, from what my friends who read it thoroughly told me, they said nothing about using proxy servers or anything about avoiding the filters, only that you were not allowed to break their filters. Still my friend was threatened with legal punishment for his website that merely had a messageboard where people spoke ill about the school.
One of the people who frequented the site wrote the site's name on a bathroom stall and he commented (under an alias of course) on the message board about it. The site owner was threatened by the police (yes, in an apparently simple freedom of speech case) that if he did not divulge the person who the alias belonged to, he would face legal punishment and possible jail time. Being a teenaged kid with little to no money to spend on lawyers, he listened to the police and gave the name. The guy who wrote the site was later suspended for 10 days.
The only complaint I have is I wish it would check all the extensions possible, and or available. As long as I'm not giving my history away (which is optional) I feel safe using it. I'm not going to be bookmarking anything illegal or pOrn oriented.
IIRC He has been disbarred in Florida, he's lost a number of his fandom, but not nearly enough of it, and there have been studies proving there is no link between videogames and violence, while at the same time there have been studies proving the opposite. As for the hitman...we're working on it.
We had one of those in Chicago about 5 years ago. It was a decent idea, but the problem was that they allowed you to buy a card that could be used unlimited times over the course of the day or cards that would run on credits but you could use them later. It's a good idea, but the reason I call it a problem, we have an ESPN Zone that survived because it didn't do that. Furthermore, we had a few stores that knew too much about magnetics and you could go in with a card and get it recharged for $5 instead of $35. DisneyQuest closed and shortly thereafter the store I'm refering to had a sheriff's notice on the door saying that they shutdown. I'm not entirely sure that there's a corelation there, but I know they closed DisneyQuest in Chicago because it was unprofitable.
I've been hearing this from people in the social and psychological fields since shortly after Columbine. The shame is that Jack Thompson and his band of conservaative game haters never heard it or never listened to it. Studies have been done for years that prove this, very few that prove the contrary, and yet only the ones that prove the contrary seem to make the news outside of slashdot and gaming boards.
Wow. I have to say, I was going to make some crack saying "'What do you want in AI?' just that, AI". But now that I've read your post, all I can say is wow. That described it right to the bottom line for me. The only major problem I see with this is mentioned already. I don't know of many gaming systems (computer or otherwise) that has anywhere near the processing power necessary to implement such algorithms or heuristics. For a game like WoW or SWG, that'd take a shit ton of power (never played but from my understanding very intricate). Regardless, I almost completely wish games had gone that line of logic rather then the "If it has tons of eye candy, people will LOVE it" mentallity. Don't get me wrong, looks are a plus, but they aren't everything.
Actually I agree with you on the amaroK. I use Linux and OS X and when I'm stuck in Windows, I use iTunes there. I have to agree, iTunes is much more responsive in OS X than in Windows.
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Good question, except for the detail that this gentleman does not work for Diebold. He is in the HBO documentary about Diebold. If we ever get an interview with a Diebold employee, I'd be amazed, but that would be where to ask that one.
We'd need girlfriends/wives before it really mattered!
I find it hard to believe that this is a reputable source when they abbreviate "The Pirate Bay" as TBP!
The only way I can think of is to petition the school. Just tell a bunch of people that the school has determined that they don't need classes that for people going into technologies. Spin it so that it looks like the school is forcing students to lose their chances into colleges and such. Spin the stadium to the effect that they spent all this money on it, but when someone wants to learn how to work with/on it, they won't spend a dime.
After you get the petition going, attend a district meeting and speak up about it. Just keep pissing and moaning. Eventually, people will listen.
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Here at EIU we cannot buy third party access. If we do so, we violate our residance agreements. Furthermore, we can't setup wireless APs ourselves, we can't log on without doing the following (for windows), have CleanAccessAgent running, have bridge networking turned off, have every Windows Update, have one of three major AV programs (Symantic is provided at no additional cost), and have all these running all the time, (for everyone else) you have to open a browser window and log in with your username and password.
At first it seems that they're trying to get people to give up on Windows, but then the network is so slow that pretty much all Linux distributions would be a waste of time anyway because you can't download anything fast enough.
I am currently attending a university where they shape traffic. I have been here for as long as the shaping system has been in place and I have heard nothing but complaints. Granted, the university implemented CleanAccess as well, but most of the complaints seem to be related to the shaping and I don't work in ITS, so this is all just what I have picked up from living here. The most common complaint seems to be how slow the network is period, not just for P2P purposes. I can't even connect to the completely legitimate website www.ilounge.com, it never times out, it just keeps on "transmitting data".
.5 kb/s. This effectively prohibits me from effiently installing a customized Linux distribution, like Gentoo, because I can't install any packages at any relative speed.
I apparently can't use any proxy servers either. If I do a download from a sourceforge mirror, it comes in at about 40 kb/s which isn't too bad, but if I do a download from bit torrent I'm lucky if it comes in at
In response to the shaping, which functions more like bandwidth limiting, an individual within the dorms has set up a DC++ hub, so while we may not be able to get anything from outside the network, we can at least get things from within. This just goes to show you that no matter what you do to "limit" illegal activities, people will find a way. So my answer to the OP would be to let them have it, just limit the actual bandwidth they can use, which is similar to how University of Illinois handles the problem.
Everyone I know who has a windows laptop of any form has always found that the battery drains quickly. Granted I don't know too many people who condition their batteries properly or anything of the sort, but it kind of leads me to believe that Windows doesn't do a whole lot with power management over all.
Windows Vista Ultimate: $399 Windows Vista Home Premium: $239 Windows Vista Home Basic: $179 Windows Vista Ultimate Upgrade: $259 Windows Vista Home Premium Upgrade: $159 Windows Vista Home Basic Upgrade: $99 Linux kernel 2.6.17: Priceless
It may have OD, but it doesn't have password support. Guess I'm waiting for a while.
I had a situation a while ago where my Windows XP install wouldn't boot. So I figured I'd try running it through VMWare in Linux. I set it all up, get VMWare set to look at the partition, unmounted the partition (yay FAT32 drives) and started the virtual machine. Sure enough, it booted with no problems. After a week or two, my roommate needed to use my computer cause his was on the fritz and mine was turned off. I told him before to feel free, so he boots it up, selects Windows XP through GRUB and it boots fine. I look at it and think, "What the hell?!" I rebooted again, tried to boot Windows, didn't work. Went into Linux, VMWare booted it, rebooted and Windows worked. So for 3 weeks (the time it took to get any important files and such off of there, because I didn't want to accidently blow a big paper or story away), the only way I could boot into Windows was if I had VMWared it before hand. Since then, I've reinstalled Windows, but I rarely use it now...I should re-allocate that HD.
Extremely unfortunate for those of us who are OSS enthusiasts on OS X Gentoo on OS X is lightyears behind Fink. No GUI, very little support, and an update right now is impossible, because they have so many bugs that have to be worked out. I just tried to sync my portage tree and upgrade everything and I get errors galore! If people put effort into it, I'm sure it would be useful, but there haven't been many updates on it in forever and the forums are a major dissapointment. Gentoo has also impressed me with the community it has, but the Gentoo on OS X forum takes weeks for a response.
Why though? I understand your just pointing out a different perspective, but no one will see that perpective unless you give reasoning. I can't really think of a reason to let it die other than it taking up time.
Here's a question. How does this arrest effect all the businesses that exist that use video cameras for security purposes? If their going for these people, they damn well better go for all those businesses and such!
Maybe it's because women are smart enough to like KDE?
There's worse. My friend's brother got a detention because he referenced something covered 3 months earlier.
He started saying "I admire Hitler" and was cut off by a random teacher right there and taken down to the dean's office because he earned himself a detention for that. Not one of the deans would tell his mother why he had a detention, nor what they thought he said, nor even meet with her to explain it. She had to bitch to the principal before she got a meeting out of it. Even then she was told that there was nothing she could say or do to change the outcome so it was a waste of time.
The worst part about it is his teacher had held a class-length discussion on the good things Hitler did. Obviously she followed with the next class being the bad of Hitler. So he basically got punished for what he was tought to do, reference other knowledge, discussions and whatnot.
For the first time in my life I think private school maybe better!
That's a valid point. But then the problem arises that someone could easily argue that he never intended to use it to circumvent the school's filters.
A slightly different tale of troubles with stupid public high schools and their filters:
I know when I was in high school I had to sign a waiver that was never once explained to me, never did I see it again, and, from what my friends who read it thoroughly told me, they said nothing about using proxy servers or anything about avoiding the filters, only that you were not allowed to break their filters. Still my friend was threatened with legal punishment for his website that merely had a messageboard where people spoke ill about the school.
One of the people who frequented the site wrote the site's name on a bathroom stall and he commented (under an alias of course) on the message board about it. The site owner was threatened by the police (yes, in an apparently simple freedom of speech case) that if he did not divulge the person who the alias belonged to, he would face legal punishment and possible jail time. Being a teenaged kid with little to no money to spend on lawyers, he listened to the police and gave the name. The guy who wrote the site was later suspended for 10 days.
The only complaint I have is I wish it would check all the extensions possible, and or available. As long as I'm not giving my history away (which is optional) I feel safe using it. I'm not going to be bookmarking anything illegal or pOrn oriented.
IIRC He has been disbarred in Florida, he's lost a number of his fandom, but not nearly enough of it, and there have been studies proving there is no link between videogames and violence, while at the same time there have been studies proving the opposite. As for the hitman...we're working on it.
We had one of those in Chicago about 5 years ago. It was a decent idea, but the problem was that they allowed you to buy a card that could be used unlimited times over the course of the day or cards that would run on credits but you could use them later. It's a good idea, but the reason I call it a problem, we have an ESPN Zone that survived because it didn't do that. Furthermore, we had a few stores that knew too much about magnetics and you could go in with a card and get it recharged for $5 instead of $35. DisneyQuest closed and shortly thereafter the store I'm refering to had a sheriff's notice on the door saying that they shutdown. I'm not entirely sure that there's a corelation there, but I know they closed DisneyQuest in Chicago because it was unprofitable.
But instead they have tons of other characters with more realistic weapons causing violence.
I've been hearing this from people in the social and psychological fields since shortly after Columbine. The shame is that Jack Thompson and his band of conservaative game haters never heard it or never listened to it. Studies have been done for years that prove this, very few that prove the contrary, and yet only the ones that prove the contrary seem to make the news outside of slashdot and gaming boards.
Wow. I have to say, I was going to make some crack saying "'What do you want in AI?' just that, AI". But now that I've read your post, all I can say is wow. That described it right to the bottom line for me. The only major problem I see with this is mentioned already. I don't know of many gaming systems (computer or otherwise) that has anywhere near the processing power necessary to implement such algorithms or heuristics. For a game like WoW or SWG, that'd take a shit ton of power (never played but from my understanding very intricate). Regardless, I almost completely wish games had gone that line of logic rather then the "If it has tons of eye candy, people will LOVE it" mentallity. Don't get me wrong, looks are a plus, but they aren't everything.
Actually I agree with you on the amaroK. I use Linux and OS X and when I'm stuck in Windows, I use iTunes there. I have to agree, iTunes is much more responsive in OS X than in Windows.
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