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GamePolitics reports that M-rated games have been taken as evidence a case involving the death of a 55-year old man in Louisiana. The connection? Jack Thompson says: "Nobody shoots anybody in the face unless you're a hitman or a videogamer." GP goes on to point out the lunacy of this claim. From the site: "Funny, that. A quick Google search on 'shot in the face' turns up 921,000 entries."
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if so, then he must be a murderer too, cause that's a game.
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"Nobody shoots anybody in the face unless you're a hitman or a videogamer."
Is this a comment on similar mentalities between hitmen and videogamers or is Jack trying to say they're the only people with good enough aim to hit consistent head shots?
Seriously though, how is this news? If the police are building any sort of murder case against anyone, they are going to sieze everything remotely related to murder and killing. Whether it be videogames, music, movies, books, etc. anything that helps the DA say, "this person has murder on the mind, and here is what I have to back that up."
There are clearly some unrelated results from Google search - if you turn off SafeSearch.
So what if "shot in the face" turns up 900,000 hits (it only shows 13,000 hits in my browser). "Jews did 911" turns up almost 900,000 easily.
The point of this is that you can't extrapolate something like a Google search into evidence. Police who have experience with crime probably have a somewhat better perspective on the hows and whys of crime than you Joe Searchbot does.
Hitman, or gamer? Hitman might be pretty accurate, I guess.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
A real gamer wouldn't even be strong enough to lift the gun.
But how many are "gun-related"? I can think of a 3 letter word that would precede "shot" that would account for that number of hits.
C'mon, I can't believe that Dick plays videogames, although it would make sense if he were playing Age of Empires, Warcraft, and the like. I haven't shot anyone in the face. Yet.
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Every gamer and hitman knows you shoot in the BACK of the head!
Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
Since when do hitmen execute people by shooting them in the face? Back of the head/neck is traditional.
Jack don't know anything.
You can't take the sky from me...
I would never shoot someone in the face in real life,barring necessity.
Much better to give them "buckwheats"(Things to do in Denver when youre dead) even if only in your minds eye.
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Funny... I'm sure historically plenty of people in wartime have been shot or shot people in the face and i'm reasonably sure the vast majority of them were not videogamers or "hitmen." Heck, the movies and TV portray people getting "shot in the face" all the time.
We can only hope the Judge and Jury in this trial are not too stupid to see the error of a statement like that. While the accused does deserve his "reward" for his crimes, i think blaming games for this is utterly ridiculous. People need to start taking responsibility for their actions.
i'd like to get copies of them since they sound pretty awesome!
No, sorry, it's Bush that plays Duck Hunt.
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Dick Cheney plays Doom 3.
How to tell the difference:
Bush would shoot in the face.
Cheney would aim for the heart.
now, seriously, seizing games as "evidence" of a murder only makes sense if:
a. you watch way too much CSI: Miami (yes, I loved that the young woman was the winner); or
b. you find blood spattered on the game; or
c. you are trying to get media attention for a pretty flimsy case.
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A videogamer could never shoot someone in the face - there isn't a "crosshair" to aim with in real life....
"But this one goes to 11!"
Most hitmen avoid headshots. Very messy and often with a good chance of survival of the subject. Load the brain with 5 bullets and the victim may still live, despite losing the ability to speak spanish, tell apart apples from oranges and move left leg. They will likely enter a coma though, which looks very much like they are dead, and they will come to and start talking at the least convenient moment. Real hitmen avoid headshots (from close distance at least, sniping is a different thing) and definitely prefer going for the heart. Nobody survives a hole in the heart and placing the third bullet precisely in the heart from a short distance is quite easy once shock from the first two paralyses the victim.
;)
On the other hand, most games register heart shot as just another chest shot, scoring pretty low damage, while headshots, from any direction, including the face count as serious damage multiplier.
That would narrow it down...
Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
Not that I'm doubting the validity of the article (at least, any more so than usual), but couldn't the submitter have found a more reputable source than a news blog on LiveJournal? You'd think that a real news site would have, y'know, a real news site.
One Question: when is Jack Thompson going to prison? His abuse of the legal system and profound negative influence on society has to end.
The surest sign that the litigation indust--, er, justice system in the US is broken is that this guy hasn't been disbarred yet.
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Well it all depends on what your motive is ...
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If you wanted to demonstrate that a person had violent fantasies being able to show that he played FPS for 60 hours a week could be a good indicator
If you wanted to demonstrate that a person had no connection to the world, were lonely and were willing to do anything to make friends (and this manifested itself violently) having a level 60, holy speced priest would be valid evidence
If you just wanted to demonstrate that they were disturbed, all you have to do is show that they owned a copy of DOA: extreme beach volyball.
a researcher, who had planned to do exhaustive research for his thesis, procrastinated, played starcraft, and in the end just did a google search, and then concluded that a gazillion people have been killed due to their reading the bible.
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if I claimed I was emperor just because some watery tart lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away!
...make me Glad my Villian in "City of Villians" is Jackie Thompson.
Why Jackie you ask, because the name is just different enough to avoid litigation, and since he is a assassin with martial art moves that he learned from playing "Ninja Gaiden" for 12 hours("Jackie Chan's Action Kung Fu" wouldn't fit in his bio since it rambles much like the man it spoofs), the name just suits him better too.
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Agreed. Does that mean we can shoot Jack Thompson in the face? Maybe this is his way of expressing his need for this. Any takers?
I can imagine a mob of gamers swarming this guy, all shooting him in the face with those Nintendo light guns.
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So what's our best defense against him? Frankly, I think the last thing Jack Thompson would want is to be ignored. He probably likes the animosity he's building with the gaming community, and he'll like making headlines many times more. Let's just ignore the fellow, and at some point he may start campaigning against diet sodas or the ulterior motives of figure skaters ("Nobody wears blades that sharp...unless they want to kill.").
I say hang'em, and make it public while at it.
There's no excuse for such a thing, especially after the man let them stay on his property.
Read more here about the actual murder:
http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4972800
...or pornstar. BADABING.
These people really need some perspective. Let's say games contribute to a few murders every year. Of all the murders committed in the US in a year, what percentage of those were motivated by games assuming there's even a clear link? I'd venture to say it isn't even as high as 1%.
But we have this stupid jerk who's gone on a personal crusade against games. He'd better serve the public by going after crime in general. But I guess that wouldn't grab the headlines quite like his vendetta against games.
As for the police seizing games for evidence, I think thats perfectly reasonable. I expect the police to leave no stone unturned in any murder investigation.
I always equate "Hitman" with "gamer" anyways, prefering stealth-based games myself...
I really need to get out more...
I really wish we could all ignore Jack Thompson and his misplaced histrionics.
I wish he had half the dignity of Al Sharpton, who some would say was for a long time a 'racism' troll as much as JT is a 'videogame' troll. Both hop on sensationalist events to push their agenda, pandering to the people who think like them, while ignoring tangential issues, and in many cases, the truth.
I'm not trying to be flamebait here -- my point is that many of the people who listen to/respect Jack Thompson dislike Al Sharpton because of the 'attention-whoring' he has done in the past -- yet Jack is another facet of the same polyhedron.
"Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
How come every time I see a picture of Jack Thompson it looks like he's pinching a rather large and stubborn loaf?
In all seriousness, I'd like to see just how many "video gamers" were convicted of shooting someone in the face.
I'd also like to see how many people have been shot in the face prior to violent video games. Throw in how many violent crimes were committed in the US since the advent of violent video games vs. prior to violent video games. Add to that the average yearly income of the person responsible for a violent crime who is not a dependent, and see if they could even afford video games. Add to that a demographic study of who plays video games vs. a demographic study of who commits violent crimes. And one more thing... Take the demographic of video gamers and see how many people in that demographic have actually committed violent crimes.
I'd be very interested to see the results of THAT study. I imagine Mr. Thompson, however, would not.
Even people that believe in pre-destiny look both ways before crossing the street.
What about the backside of the head. Does that count too?
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Someone care to edit that wiki page to include Booth's suggested "mad 1337 GTA sk!llzs"?
"Funny, that. A quick Google search on 'shot in the face' turns up 921,000 entries."
... shot in the face ...
Those google hits were probably all porn sites. You know
I hope I don't need to be more specific.
Well said, sir. Honestly, Jack Thompson's claims would fail under even the smallest amount of scientific or rational scrutiny in my mind, and I guess I'm overly hopeful that our legal systems would see things the same way. But then, since when have we been able to rely on the masses?
"Nobody shoots anybody in the face unless you're a hitman or a videogamer." Nobody masturbates unless they are bored or a videogamer. Nobody bathes unless they are dirty or a videogamer. etc.. Forget the terrorists, I am worried about all the videogamers out there!
"Funny, that. A quick Google search on 'shot in the face' turns up 921,000 entries."
A quick search for '"shot in the face" game' turns up 500,000 entries.
The Mozambique Drill is a 2+1 drill, where you fire 2 to center mass and 1 to the head. It is designed to stop those people hopped up on adrenalin or drugs. You generally fire "into the face" for this drill. Jack is really out there. He is becomming more shrill and pathetic as time goes on.
> "Jews did 911" turns up almost 900,000 easily ...may be more meaningful than you think. Everytime I see a car accident in downtown L.A. involving someone Jewish*, the first thing that happens is someone dials 911 regardless of how minor the damage is.
*Okay, this also happens with any other ethnic/racial group, but I just wanted to make my point.
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Google trends shows that there is no correlation between video games and being shot in the face. I rest my case.
The Right Reverend K. Reid Wightman,
Release a mode for the Windows Solitaire game so the cards feature sado-masochistic gay porn. Perhaps if the asshole runs with it, Vista will be rated NC17.
Obviously 921,000 gamers with (blood turned on) FPS addictions. It's simple math people. Maybe Jack is onto something. BLAM!! [my head asplode]
Terrible karma and aiming lower, which in this environment of one-sided reason, is higher.
Dick Cheney plays GTA?
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I'm pretty sure, I have seen Elmer Fudd, Daffy Duck, and a number of other popular cartoon characters get shot in the face plenty of times. Does this mean the murderer watches Loony Tunes?
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"got it" "got it" "need it"....
"Nobody shoots anybody in the face unless you're a hitman or a videogamer."
And no one utters anything that fucking stupid unless they're pushing an agenda, or a lawyer, or both.
Check out the cave on the east side of lake Hylia. Strange and wonderful things live in it.
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=shot%20in%20th e%20face
For infallable evidence of the conspiracy see the first result.
Google give me this:
496,000 for "shot in the face" -"video game" -hitman
Jack Thompson shoots himself in the foot all the time.
...stop paying attention to Thompson. Please? That's the best way to make him go away...
Actually, everyone who's ever played a game from the 'Hitman' series, knows that shooting a target in the face isn't very practical. Knife or piano wire from behind is much less messy, and less likely to bring any bodyguard to your victims aid...
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As a young impressionable child I played a lot of Pac-man. It was a "gateway" game, I'm afraid. Soon I was hooked on Mrs. Pacman, then Dig-dug and even pitfall. Now every time I see an 8-bit pixelated character I have this insane urge to kill. STOP THE MADNESS! Video Games make children worship satan, become homosexuals and then join the Taliban. If you plug in the xbox 360, then the terrorists win!
hey, it must be true, because i play of games, and i ALWAY shoot my victims in the face.
also could this be related to porn instead of games? I always hear about porn and "facial shots"
While a web search on Google turns up a lot of hits, a Google News search is much more focused and probably relevant.
"gunshot to the face"
This turns up 5 hits from May 5 to May 29th. Four of them in the US and one in South Africa. Not one seems to mention a hitman or a gamer.
...don't use guns. At least not according to the latest BBC review http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5040188.stm/ . Apparently, dropping chandeliers on the mark is a more artistic way of achieving the perfect kill.
crab..... battle.... Just watch it.
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. . . a gamer who plays Hitman?
"Funny, that. A quick Google search on 'shot in the face' turns up 921,000 entries."
ok but it could relate to photography, porn, movies or games. could relate to other things too.
that means there's no finger pointing just off the number of google hits for that string tag.
Is Dick Cheney a Gamer or a Hitman?
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a. you watch way too much CSI: Miami (yes, I loved that the young woman was the winner);
Haven't seen that one. Tell me about it?
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Long story short - it is in the police report
"if you move, I'll shoot you in the face".
This from a fine boy in blue in the state of Colorado in 1995.
Guess he was a gamer back then....
I have noticed that Call of Duty 2 has different damages for some helmet shots vs unprotected head shots. It's pretty funny shooting the helmet off of an enemy and watching the expression on his face as his hands shoot up to where his helmet just was... very nicely done!
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"Nobody shoots anybody in the face unless you're a hitman or a videogamer."
So then what does that make this person?
The better question is: How did the murderer lug around 921,000 rounds of ammuniition without being noticed?
All the articles fail to mention that the 55 year old man plays Counter-Strike. The 16 year old kid caught him wallhacking and gave him what he deserved.
The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. - Albert Einstein
a. you watch way too much CSI: Miami (yes, I loved that the young woman was the winner);
Haven't seen that one. Tell me about it?
oh, there was a game development firm that had a "live" contest with their new game, where Univ Miami students competed to rack up points by playing the game "live" and robbing banks, shooting people, etc, all while wearing hockey masks spraypainted. Turned out the winner was a young woman, one of the player helpers died while playing online for 72 hours straight, and the game firm was supplying full auto weapons and armor-piercing bullets.
This is why much of America thinks that gamers are murderers, IMHO. It's a very popular show.
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I saw part of a show on the discovery channel about SWAT teams, and the sniper on the team was talking about how his target is the triangle made from the temples and the bottom of the nose.
They also showed him shoot a practice target as his team broke down a door and headed into the room; with his bullet traveling within a foot of his team members on its way to the target.Gee, I suppose that all snipers count as hitmen or gamers. Policeman must be hitmen or gamers.... ooh! Terrorists/insurgents who execute people at point-blank range, they must be hitmen or gamers, too!
Did they take his TV, too? What about violent R-rated movies? What about books that describe murder in detail (Tom Clancy is a bit guilty of this)?
I'm trying to figure out if this is Louisiana stupidity or if they're just absorbing some of it from Florida.
By the way, Jack Thompson should die in a fi-*BLAM* AH I DIDN'T MEAN IT DON'T TAKE ME TO J@)&%)#&*%SIGNAL INTERRUPTED
Being that I just woke up, and the 'I' key is right next to the 'O' key, I accidently googled "Shit in the face."
It seems that twice as many people get shot in the face than poo'ed in the face.
I do watch all three shows but joined kind of late (I saw an episode some years ago that tapped into a passing interest of mine and they used every buzzword in sight, and did it badly, so for a long time I refused to give the show a try. Bad choice on their part and to this day I refuse to watch that epsidoe again -- which show and episode will remain nameless). So I missed that one.
... anyway, I have noticed that CSI does do that. They'll take case ideas from real life, and often distort things in the process, and get it all wrong (like what happened to me). And this gives the clueless public a bad image of what for those of us who partake in the interest in question (in this case gaming), so the public doesn't bother to find the truth but assumes that if it's on TV it must be true.
That sounds similar to a NY episode I saw but not quite
CSI overall is a good show but I'd like to see them try harder to be truthful about what they portray. (And that's not even counting the magic photo-manip software that can get a HD-quality image out of a VGA-resolution security camera).
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I've been playing way too much Oblivion, and I've already cast various Destruction spells on three people who annoyed me at work today. Well, I waved my hand and they looked at me funny when nothing happened, but you get my point... or you would if I had one. Anyway, I have to go turn my lunch into an invisibility potion so no one gives me anything to do this afternoon.
So they got a Head Shot!! but did they get a Godlike!! ??
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But what if you're both a hitman and a videogamer? Oh my! PANDORA'S BOX!!!
"Funny, that. A quick Google search on 'shot in the face' turns up 921,000 entries."
Quick seize Google.
No, wait, seize the Internet.
No, wait, seize this.
You have officially killed the joke.
They call me the wookie man, I guess that's what I am
Interesting that a game store got robbed and the clerk was shot in chest: http://www.click2houston.com/news/9275077/detail.h tml
It would be my assumption that shooting the person thru the back of the head with a large enough weapon to fully penetrate and exit the head, would do the most damage to their face.
A bullet entry wound is normally very small and round. On many types of animals the entry wound can be hard to find (hair) and many times it bleeds very little. I've known a few Dallas paramedics, they've told me that finding entry wounds can be difficult some of the time.
The exit wound from a full penetration high velocity round is a different story. Hollow point or high expansion rounds many times will double or tripple there surface area, and many times fragment providing multiple wound channels. It is a mess. Bone fragments, large tears and lacerations, and this bloody goo that is sort of, but not entirely quite like jello.
And its pretty easy to tell the two apart, as only one of them screams out HEADSHOT!!! after performing the deed.
"Funny, that. A quick Google search on 'shot in the face' turns up 921,000 entries."
:p
Sorry, porn site results aren't relavent here...
Hahaha. I checked the headers for this article/page and the X-Bender returned the Bender quote "This guy's not making any sense. Can I kill him? Please?"
That's priceless!
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About the article, Jack Thompson is a fuck up. ONLY IN AMERICA.
Amy Fisher was neither a gamer nor a hitman.
"Don't waste your time or time will waste you" -MUSE
Damn it, Zonk, some of us are at work. You could have linked to or some other version.
When you're running a story that's not really about games (this one's about moron lawyers and moron cops), PLEASE try to link to
a) a site that won't likely be firewalled and
b) a site that won't be slashdotted.
If you must link one of these types of sites, at least link the coral cache!
(PS- the new design is CRAP. Please change it bacK!)
His actual motivations for his war on video games probably go no further than a quest for power and publicity. Unless, of course, he's actually out of touch with reality to the extent of believing what he says.
Once one starts down the path of questing for power and publicity, it's easy to lose track of the truth and start believing whatever reinforces your position.
"Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
How many are about the Vice President?
most of those 921,000 (say about 920,999) entires are pr0n related?
I mean, he did shot someone in the face :-)
How many hits for "shot in the face" WEREN'T porn sites?
When I read the three words "Jack Thompson said". That guy is a complete looney toon. He's been disbarred how many times? He's headed how many cults? I'm shocked and awed by the sheer fact that he can still practice law *anywhere*.
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I do recall that Lon Horiuchi shot Vicki Weaver in the face... oh, perhaps that just means that Lon Horiuchi was a fbi hitman.
...sin commits you!
*** Sigs are a stupid waste of bandwidth.
I've got a copy of Doom3 at home, so if any demons escaped from hell turn up dead... that makes me a prime suspect!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Nobody shoots anybody in the face unless you're a hitman or a videogamer
I can't quite figure out in which category Dick Cheney fits.
You just got troll'd!
How many video gamers are there in the US? If people who play video games were violent, Jack Thompson would have been dead a long, long time ago.
Too bad he's full of shit, I'd like to piss on his grave.
There was an unsolved murder in my home town, I believe shortly before I was born. The local part-time deputy contaminated the crime scene when he moved the shotgun that was used to blow the victim's face into little bits of hamburger. While this may be somewhat commonplace in larger communities it's not in a rural community under 250 people. So no, Jack, I'd say that things like this happen without the involvement of violent video games. That is unless of course Pong and Mrs. Pacman drove the killer to do it. There wasn't much else available at the time. The Atari 2600 wasn't even out yet.
"Funny, that. A quick Google search on 'shot in the face' turns up 921,000 entries."
How many of those links were pointing to murders and not porn sites??
Hey,
I might make a shirt out of this if there is enough interest.
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I know JT referenced "Grand Theft Auto", but has there been a definitive list of the specific games confiscated? Every aricle I've read mentions "several".
practicing your mozambique drills?
When you have no data to back your claims, just ask google. Or in this case, googlefight:
o rd1=Driving+Game&word2=Shooting+Gameo rd1=Shooting+Death&word2=Driving+Death
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&w
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&w
Clearly, the increased number of driving games has caused an increased number of driving deaths. Ban Grand Turismo Now!!
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You can get 15 minutes of fame, but you can go down in history for infamy.
google counts mean shit, I hate that.
That many hits on shot in the face... well, that's far too many to be related to, hold on,
I just googled "video game" and got 637,000,000 hits.
So it is possible after all?
Plus, we've just proved tea.
well done us.
-pyrrho
Wasn't Jack, the same guy that proposed a videogame making challenge? I think the object of the game was to kill programmers in RockStar Games(makers of Grandtheft Auto), and various other companies that have been on his 'hitlist.'
If I remember correctly, he was offering a lump sum of money, and someone did make a game on his challenge. I don't think I remember him doing anything with the money, even though the person did say they wouldn't profit off it, but donate all money to a charity.
Why do I feel more inclined to act violently when I read about that asshat Jack Thompson than I do after playing Raven Shield for a few hours?
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Also the bad stastician's mistake - confusing correlation with causality. Or perhaps in this case, casualty.
To demonstrate, here's a little anecdote:
It has been proven time and time again that there's a strong correlation between ice-cream sales and drowning deaths. In response, some local politicans suggested curbing ice-cream sales; they assumed that since there was a correlation, ice cream must somehow be responsible for these drowning deaths. The reality, of course, was much less sinister. Ice cream sales go up in the summer, and so do the number of people swimming (and thus, sinking).
This is the same thing, but with games; when someone gets shot "in the face," and when the murderer has violent video games, everyone assumes that there must be some sort of relation. In reality, more and more people are OWNING videogames, so there's a good chance that these people are just going to have them anyway. In my mind, all these politicans are jumping to pseudo-scientific conclusions. They haven't proven correlation, and they can't prove causality without first proving correlation.
I think what they should be asking is "How many people are playing video games that AREN'T murderers?" I know I'm not a murderer, and I enjoy my GTA.
I know that having the right to own games like this, or even play them with impunity, may not be the mainstream definition of "liberty," but we're basically having restrictions recommended on our media regardless of the actual reality; I believe Frankling said it best: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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People have been shot in the face, clubbed over the head, and stabbed since the beginning of the human race. Hell, the Holocaust, in which millions of people were dragged out of their homes to be murdered in cold blood, predates Pong by at least 20 years. I think anyone who blames video games for violence needs to take a look at history.
Putting something into Google and getting results implies that your argument is correct.
Ok, M rated games. How many R-Rated DVDs and or VHS tapes? How much TV-MA rated television viewing? What ever happened to blaming everything on rock/rap music? Maybe it's another RIAA plot!
Using corralatory evidence can be used to ban anything. Let's choose Colgate toothpaste for example. Let's say that investigators found that 1 out of 10 murderers use Colgate toothpaste. Does that mean that the toothpaste made these people commit murders? Obviously not. This is one of the first things they teach in courses on logic: Correlation does not imply causation. Unfortunately, not everyone's taken courses on logic. If you replace toothpaste with video games, the general public may be convinced.
Urg, Jack Thompson is merely the current incarnation of the lady who started BADD or Jack Chick. Their nuts, and they go on a vendetta against people who are obviously smarter than them (I.E. Everyone). I find Jack Thompson to be a vile excuse for a human being. Speaking of which, does anyone know if 9 foot long leeches are a cure for insanity? If so, I recommend Jack Thompson's psychiatrist (And I pity him) prescribe them.
Everyone knows a real gamer would never use something so pedestrian as a gun. Rocket launcher's the only way to go, and if the shooter has any style, he'd be rocket jumping off the guy's head to get to the quad.
A Google search for:
"shot in the face"
returns 879,000. A search for:
"shot in the face" -gamer
returns 921,000. A search for:
"shot in the face" -hitman
returns 649,000. A search for:
"shot in the face" -jesus
returns 788,000.
Draw your own conclusions.
I suppose some facts were overlooked in deciding the cause of his violence.
"Neher, whose mother has a mobile home parked on Gore's property, and Hunter Everette, 17, of Denham Springs, were booked with first-degree murder and armed robbery on Wednesday."
"The estimated population, in 2003, was 9,204."
"The number of violent crimes recorded by the FBI in 2003 was 174."
"The violent crime rate was 19 per 1,000 people."
Must be alot of gamers there!
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The hidden intimacy scenes - which, although technically present in the data files, were in no way accessible without unauthorized 3rd-party modifications - that were brought to light after the game's release are what got the game re-rated as AO (Adults Only).
millions of people were dragged out of their homes to be murdered in cold blood
Yeah, but were they shot in the face?
Did anyone see the way he was acting towards those folks on GameFAQs when that kid committed suicide? He's nothing but human waste. In any other context, the right thinking individuals of the world would have lynched him for his disgusting behaviour, but he can hide behind a courtroom and an internet connection.
He's not even worthy of spitting on.
It's been a long time.
1. The kid is prone to violence from coming from a bad family or...
2. He's REALLY FREAKIN' BORED and got in trouble because of that boredom. Its a proven fact that BOREDOM leads to trouble, not video games.
"Results 1 - 10 of about 28 for "shoot in face". (0.08 seconds) "
I could make more of case stating people who worship religions are far more dangerous than video game players. Department of Psychology, Laurentian University, Sudbury, Ontario, Canada. Of the men who reported a religious experience, attended church weekly, and displayed elevated complex partial epileptic like signs (5.7% of all males), 44% stated they would kill another person if God told them to do so. And apparently god tells people often because there are TONS of cases of people killing in the name of god, or because god apparently told them it was a good idea. How many game players would go kill if the games even blatantly told them to do so??? Ban religion, not video games games!
...because THIS could be the source of his face shooting obsession :)
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Although the specific reference is to mouth shooting!!
Just a thought
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jak.
This person is just a publicity hog. Ignoring him would be the meanest thing you could do to him.
See, in the dark ages if you were born a psychopath and not of noble blood, the most you could look forward to was becoming a brigand or a serial killer and eventually swinging from the gallows. Not that exciting a prospect for either the psychopath or the victims. You can see why it was called the dark ages.
Nowadays, however, we live in more civilized times. Psychopaths can go for example into politics (what Jack is doing _is_ politics) or management, and keep themselves entertained for a lifetime trying to screw each other over in courtrooms, board meetings, media debates, or whatever else is apropriate. In some cases that even creates value for the rest of the society, e.g., for shareholders. E.g., firing the whole R&D department and setting the company on a 5 year course to bankruptcy invariably makes the share price rise. Investors love "cost saving measures", or at least have been conditioned like Pavlov's dog that that's when they must reach for the wallet.
What I'm getting at is that Jack is a psychopath. It doesn't mean "axe murderer" (or not necessarily), it just means a complete lack of empathy for others. Their care for others is really about the same as most people feel for an NPC: the other people are just there as unimportant playthings, nothing more. They can cheat them, manipulate them, even kill them if they can get away with it, whatever keeps them entertained. And they're damn good at manipulating and rationalizing anything that serves their purposes. (E.g., the most surrealistic I've read was one rationalizing that raping a child is a victimless crime and shouldn't be punished. _That_ kind of being able to rationalize _anything_.)
Same deal: they won't feel any kind of "oh man, I'm such an asshole for manipulating this nice guy into ruining his own life" reaction. So he can say anything with a straight face. Or whatever kind of a face is needed.
So, as I've saying, Jack is a psychopath. He'll do anything that fits his goals, including lie, cheat and manipulate people's fears. There are no two ways about it. Anyone who sees manipulating the fear of a mother that her kid might be on the next Columbine-style casualty list, as just means to build a political carreer or to get attention on TV, has got to be a psychopath.
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A double tab headshot is the textbook technique for all special forces and high skill police firearms units where and immediate kill is needed. As mentioned in other posts hitmen prefer to kill from behind so that the victim doesn't get a chance to react and maybe get a shot off at the hitman.
Playing violent games lowers your inhibition of shooting somebody in the face != playing violent games turns you into a murderer.
Your example tells me absolutely nothing about the truth in Thompson's claims.
Hit men don't shoot people in the face
I saw it so often the phrase got stuck in my head.
They call PBS educational television for a reason, you know!
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