Are you saying that Washington or Jefferson were bad presidents because they believed in creationism? There are many past presidents who didn't believe in the THEORY of evolution and they were very good presidents. The question shouldn't be asked and it isn't relevent. The fact that YOU want to ask it tells me that YOU are intolerant of other peoples beliefs.
"the community version as a test bed for the enterprise version, which in that case it becomes clear that there is an imbalance or dismissal of the value of the community users, an abuse if you will."
What a load of crap that is. There is no "abuse" there. That is business and that is perfectly in line with the GPL.
1 - The code was committed (and I believe without malice) 2 - The GPL folks broadcast an email 3 - The OBSD folks get pissed 4 - Flame wars galore 5 - Dogs and cats living together! 6 - The whole community now looks at the whole thing and shakes their heads in wonderment
This is *not* the way open source is supposed to work.
Some of the greatest scientists in the history of mankind were religious.
If by evolution you mean micro-evolution. Yup I believe that. If you mean macro-evolution, then nope I don't and there is zero proof of it. Most people throw evolution out there with no understanding of the differences between the two. Do I believe that I got here from the goo through the zoo? Nope, even if the universe were trillions of years old science won't and doesn't support that.
Oh right...and you think the community is going to do that? That is a pie in the sky hope. If GNU stuff goes GPL3 and then everything that touches it has to go GPL3 then the community will just fork off the GPL2 versions and continue going with the Linux kernel under GPL2 and userland still under GPL2.
Perl has the DBI...it is awesome. Perl has the CPAN...it is awesome. Perl has great web frameworks at all levels. When I need to get stuff done I fall back to Perl because Python and Ruby just don't have it. Want to pull data out of a DB and put it into an Excel spreadsheet? Spreadsheet::WriteExcel + DBI + DB rocks! The other languages languish on stuff like this but CPAN is monstrously useful.
If you are arguing Perl is hard to read it is because of the PROGRAMMER and not the language and most people are only arguing over what they remember about Perl 4.X which is YEARS old. Perl 5.6+ is awesome.
The only thing I don't like about Perl is its OO system. That is crap but workable.
You obviously do not know what you are talking about. Tcl is one of the most flexible languages out there. The incorrect facts you are spewing tell me that you haven't even looked at it in years. The 8.X series is fast and stable. The code for Tcl itself gets praises from anyone who has ever looked at it. Tcl 8.5 is going to have an OO core so that the current OO frameworks (Snit, XOTcl, etc.) have even better access to the Tcl internals. Tk itself is going through a revision that will add native look and feel to Tk anywhere Tk runs. i18n? Tcl has it and has it right. Threads? Tcl has had them and has them right. You can use Tcl for *anything* that you use the other dynamic languages for period. Does Tcl have its own warts? Yes, but so do all the others. I have to say also that the Tcl community is the most friendly of ALL the major ones I have watched and/or been involved with.
You are in the same league as those who spew the same crap against Perl thinking Perl is still in its 4.X days.
I realize it. I hope the spanking they got makes them think a little different. I do find it "funny" that a lot of the stuff the Dems are proposing are bad and they have already flunked out on their promises.
That is correct. The problem is most Christians have their focus wrong. They are to hate the sin and not the sinner. Homosexual sex is a sin as is ANY sex outside of marriage. God has very strong words in the Bible against the act of homosexuality but as Christians we are still to witness to them. We do not have to agree with or condone what they do but we are called to have compassion for the lost regardless of the sin. Homosexuality happens to be one of those topics that produces very strong reactions in people probably because most people (even unsaved ones) see that act as being un-natural.
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I am sorry you joined the ACLU. That is a socialist organization and has nothing to do with what those 4 letters in their name stand for.
Are you saying that Washington or Jefferson were bad presidents because they believed in creationism? There are many past presidents who didn't believe in the THEORY of evolution and they were very good presidents. The question shouldn't be asked and it isn't relevent. The fact that YOU want to ask it tells me that YOU are intolerant of other peoples beliefs.
"the community version as a test bed for the enterprise version, which in that case it becomes clear that there is an imbalance or dismissal of the value of the community users, an abuse if you will." What a load of crap that is. There is no "abuse" there. That is business and that is perfectly in line with the GPL.
No you can't and that is just a stupid argument on your part.
Clinton pardoned FAR worse people than Scooter. By a long shot.
1 - The code was committed (and I believe without malice)
2 - The GPL folks broadcast an email
3 - The OBSD folks get pissed
4 - Flame wars galore
5 - Dogs and cats living together!
6 - The whole community now looks at the whole thing and shakes their heads in wonderment
This is *not* the way open source is supposed to work.
I have to disagree here. It is hardly talked about now.
The "transport" is what makes it not television or radio.
Some of the greatest scientists in the history of mankind were religious.
If by evolution you mean micro-evolution. Yup I believe that. If you mean macro-evolution, then nope I don't and there is zero proof of it. Most people throw evolution out there with no understanding of the differences between the two. Do I believe that I got here from the goo through the zoo? Nope, even if the universe were trillions of years old science won't and doesn't support that.
Oh right...and you think the community is going to do that? That is a pie in the sky hope. If GNU stuff goes GPL3 and then everything that touches it has to go GPL3 then the community will just fork off the GPL2 versions and continue going with the Linux kernel under GPL2 and userland still under GPL2.
Good luck with that...
Perl has the DBI...it is awesome. Perl has the CPAN...it is awesome. Perl has great web frameworks at all levels. When I need to get stuff done I fall back to Perl because Python and Ruby just don't have it. Want to pull data out of a DB and put it into an Excel spreadsheet? Spreadsheet::WriteExcel + DBI + DB rocks! The other languages languish on stuff like this but CPAN is monstrously useful. If you are arguing Perl is hard to read it is because of the PROGRAMMER and not the language and most people are only arguing over what they remember about Perl 4.X which is YEARS old. Perl 5.6+ is awesome. The only thing I don't like about Perl is its OO system. That is crap but workable.
You obviously do not know what you are talking about. Tcl is one of the most flexible languages out there. The incorrect facts you are spewing tell me that you haven't even looked at it in years. The 8.X series is fast and stable. The code for Tcl itself gets praises from anyone who has ever looked at it. Tcl 8.5 is going to have an OO core so that the current OO frameworks (Snit, XOTcl, etc.) have even better access to the Tcl internals. Tk itself is going through a revision that will add native look and feel to Tk anywhere Tk runs. i18n? Tcl has it and has it right. Threads? Tcl has had them and has them right. You can use Tcl for *anything* that you use the other dynamic languages for period. Does Tcl have its own warts? Yes, but so do all the others. I have to say also that the Tcl community is the most friendly of ALL the major ones I have watched and/or been involved with.
You are in the same league as those who spew the same crap against Perl thinking Perl is still in its 4.X days.
So please, pull your head out of the past.
That was one of the reasons they GPL'd it. So the Linux folks could use it without worry.
I mean the FCC of course. I wonder if they will stop it.
The bigger problem is you "like violence" virtual or otherwise.
Apple already did this with .MAC...way to go Microsoft! That last bit was sarcasm.
About 1000 times more people than use Haskell? And that is probably a LOW estimate.
I do not believe for a nano second that Hillary Clinton means that. She might want YOU to believe that so that you will VOTE for her.
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Riiight. I am sure that is going to happen. Not.
I realize it. I hope the spanking they got makes them think a little different. I do find it "funny" that a lot of the stuff the Dems are proposing are bad and they have already flunked out on their promises.
And that attitude is why Linux will NEVER be mainstream.
It is all in the Microsoft plan to dominate! They are making you think that it isn't selling. Those evil marketing geniuses!!
I hope they make it a default.
That is correct. The problem is most Christians have their focus wrong. They are to hate the sin and not the sinner. Homosexual sex is a sin as is ANY sex outside of marriage. God has very strong words in the Bible against the act of homosexuality but as Christians we are still to witness to them. We do not have to agree with or condone what they do but we are called to have compassion for the lost regardless of the sin. Homosexuality happens to be one of those topics that produces very strong reactions in people probably because most people (even unsaved ones) see that act as being un-natural.