I wasn't the one who originally brought up the error, but I will defend him for it. If someone is going to use the language, they should be using it correctly.
Language is a tool, and everyone who uses the tool needs to use it properly. HTML is a tool, and there are proper use standards for it. Some, however, choose not to use those standards, and it only makes a mess for everyone else who do use them. If you're going to use a tool, you need to learn to use it correctly; language is no exception.
No, proper spelling and grammar are important for everyone, not just english majors. With computers so important, if the computer professionals cannot use the language correctly, then who will? We cannot let ignorant people degrade the quality of language and therefore remove beauty and subtle distinctions between similar words just because they're too lazy to conform to standards. If a linguist misused/ignored computing standards, would you not correct them, even though it's not their chosen field of study?
But the point of the Free Market economics is that if the consumer is getting boned, it's his responsibility to do something about it if he wants change.
Not all Final Fantasy games are about androgynous bad guys and an apocalypse. In fact, that's pretty much just FF7. Sure, the crystal series, games 1-5, which you've probably never played, are about the destruction of the world due to the corruption of man abusing the power of the elemental crystals. However, 6, and 8-12, are more about political action and the consequences of war. Final Fantasy will always be about saving the world, hence 'Final', but they don't necessarily have to be about an apocalypse.
I'll only respond to one point, because really I don't care enough.
You don't own a cell phone, do you?
I do own a cell phone, and it is favorable to me. I'm on a low cost plan that gives me exceedingly more minutes than I need per month, and free calls to people with the same carrier. I think the most minutes I've used in a month in the 2 years I've had it is somewhere around 50, and most of those minutes were free.
I have a cell phone that allows people to call me wherever I am, and also tells me the time (and before I had a cell phone, I would carry a watch for that). Why would I need anything else?
No, no, the burden of proof falls on the one making the point. You're both making points, so you both have the burden of proof. He doesn't have proof, because none exists. However, you also have no proof against his points. A free marked has never been allowed to occur, so there is nothing to cite for or against it.
1: The internet is different than roads, electricity, and other similar resources because it is, or at least , in principle, is supposed to be, an unlimited resource.
Public resources must be managed resources.
With this statement, and the preceding paragraph, you are essentially arguing Tragedy of the Commons. However, this does not apply to the internet because the internet is not limited. There is no reason why we cannot waste bandwidth in crazy high amounts; it's not like there'll be less for the next person who comes along.
...it will bias ever more heavily towards control and regulation... But it will be a control based on economics favorable to the corporate interests, not the users, not the private citizens
2: That line doesn't make sense. Economics cannot be both unfavorable to the consumer, and be favorable to the company. If the consumer isn't happy, they will not buy. If the internet becomes too throttled and fractured to the point where it no longer serves the customer's needs, they will simply stop using it. People managed before the internet, and they can still manage without it.
I'm all in favor of net neutrality, but unregulated neutrality is easily the best option. Forcing people to do something only makes them fight back more. Encouraging neutrality to the ISPs, while showing them how it will benefit them, is exceedingly more desirable.
And 3: Laissez Faire economics work, we just have to give them a chance to try to work, and not always just assume that monopolies will form if we don't actively work against them.
Well, I would certainly hope NASA isn't dumb enough to send poisonous spiders into space into small, confined quarters with a few humans. That could end poorly, to say the least.
No, no, Half-life was revolutionary. I hate the game, and have barely played it and its sequels more than 1 hour, and hate what it helped do to FPSes and the gaming industry in general, but there's no way I cannot call it revolutionary. Back when it was released, it was so different than all of the other mainstream FPS games, and it was really surprising that it gained the success it did given its atmosphere and style.
Show me some etymological proof of the word 'con' and it's original intended meaning, and maybe you argument will hold water. But just spouting off that there necessarily has to be a difference between scam and con by yourself proves nothing to anyone.
Correct me if I'm misunderstanding the complexity of the situation...
You are. Recursive code, that is, code who's output is the source itself, is, in some languages, trivial, and in most, possible. But when you talk about writing a program/machine to write other programs/machines to do a different task, you're talking about an early version of strong A.I., something that's still quite a distance away.
When all science and engineering fields are considered, the percentage of bachelorâ(TM)s degree recipients who are women has improved to 51 percent in 2004-5 from 39 percent in 1984-85
Also from TFA:
When one looks at computer science in particular, however, the proportion of women has been falling. In 2001-2, only 28 percent of all undergraduate degrees in computer science went to women. By 2004-5, the number had declined to only 22 percent...women now make up less than 10 percent of the newest undergraduates
The point is that they're leaving CS specifically, not all engineering sciences in the same numbers, and people are interested in why.
Although it looks like you think we are, especially because of those insane advertisements you have with Bill Gates and Jerry Seinfeld. Are you nuts???
Wait, what was wrong with the Gates/Seinfeld Ads? I thought they were hilarious. They didn't change my opinion about MS, Vista, or anything related, though I already use windows with mostly no complaints, and have no problem with Vista.
No, the stirling engine doesn't drive the car, it recharges the battery when the battery is run down. The battery drives the car, and the stirling engine can run additional features and then make sure you don't run out of battery in the middle of nowhere.
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I wasn't the one who originally brought up the error, but I will defend him for it. If someone is going to use the language, they should be using it correctly.
Who said anything about a supercomputer?
Language is a tool, and everyone who uses the tool needs to use it properly. HTML is a tool, and there are proper use standards for it. Some, however, choose not to use those standards, and it only makes a mess for everyone else who do use them. If you're going to use a tool, you need to learn to use it correctly; language is no exception.
No, proper spelling and grammar are important for everyone, not just english majors. With computers so important, if the computer professionals cannot use the language correctly, then who will? We cannot let ignorant people degrade the quality of language and therefore remove beauty and subtle distinctions between similar words just because they're too lazy to conform to standards. If a linguist misused/ignored computing standards, would you not correct them, even though it's not their chosen field of study?
You know, you can always rip an disk image instead, and if the game needs a key, store it as text with the image. Simple as that.
But the point of the Free Market economics is that if the consumer is getting boned, it's his responsibility to do something about it if he wants change.
If you want something done right, do it yourself.
No, I wouldn't find that offensive, though I think it's still a bad idea.
Are you saying movies are not scary because there's no genuine danger?
I've never seen a scary movie which actually scared me, except for The Exorcist, and that was because I was like 8 or 10 or something.
Not all Final Fantasy games are about androgynous bad guys and an apocalypse. In fact, that's pretty much just FF7. Sure, the crystal series, games 1-5, which you've probably never played, are about the destruction of the world due to the corruption of man abusing the power of the elemental crystals. However, 6, and 8-12, are more about political action and the consequences of war. Final Fantasy will always be about saving the world, hence 'Final', but they don't necessarily have to be about an apocalypse.
Hey. I liked those ads. I thought they were funny.
So we agree that government regulation is bad? I thought that's what we were arguing...
You don't own a cell phone, do you?
I do own a cell phone, and it is favorable to me. I'm on a low cost plan that gives me exceedingly more minutes than I need per month, and free calls to people with the same carrier. I think the most minutes I've used in a month in the 2 years I've had it is somewhere around 50, and most of those minutes were free.
I have a cell phone that allows people to call me wherever I am, and also tells me the time (and before I had a cell phone, I would carry a watch for that). Why would I need anything else?
No, no, the burden of proof falls on the one making the point. You're both making points, so you both have the burden of proof. He doesn't have proof, because none exists. However, you also have no proof against his points. A free marked has never been allowed to occur, so there is nothing to cite for or against it.
1: The internet is different than roads, electricity, and other similar resources because it is, or at least , in principle, is supposed to be, an unlimited resource.
Public resources must be managed resources.
With this statement, and the preceding paragraph, you are essentially arguing Tragedy of the Commons. However, this does not apply to the internet because the internet is not limited. There is no reason why we cannot waste bandwidth in crazy high amounts; it's not like there'll be less for the next person who comes along.
...it will bias ever more heavily towards control and regulation... But it will be a control based on economics favorable to the corporate interests, not the users, not the private citizens
2: That line doesn't make sense. Economics cannot be both unfavorable to the consumer, and be favorable to the company. If the consumer isn't happy, they will not buy. If the internet becomes too throttled and fractured to the point where it no longer serves the customer's needs, they will simply stop using it. People managed before the internet, and they can still manage without it.
I'm all in favor of net neutrality, but unregulated neutrality is easily the best option. Forcing people to do something only makes them fight back more. Encouraging neutrality to the ISPs, while showing them how it will benefit them, is exceedingly more desirable.
And 3: Laissez Faire economics work, we just have to give them a chance to try to work, and not always just assume that monopolies will form if we don't actively work against them.
Perhaps the government shouldn't be in business
Fixed that for you.
But, they lost it. If they are no longer in possession of said tool bag, how could they check it?
Well, I would certainly hope NASA isn't dumb enough to send poisonous spiders into space into small, confined quarters with a few humans. That could end poorly, to say the least.
No, no, Half-life was revolutionary. I hate the game, and have barely played it and its sequels more than 1 hour, and hate what it helped do to FPSes and the gaming industry in general, but there's no way I cannot call it revolutionary. Back when it was released, it was so different than all of the other mainstream FPS games, and it was really surprising that it gained the success it did given its atmosphere and style.
Show me some etymological proof of the word 'con' and it's original intended meaning, and maybe you argument will hold water. But just spouting off that there necessarily has to be a difference between scam and con by yourself proves nothing to anyone.
You can't replace a period with a colon. Most cases a semicolon will work, however.
Correct me if I'm misunderstanding the complexity of the situation...
You are. Recursive code, that is, code who's output is the source itself, is, in some languages, trivial, and in most, possible. But when you talk about writing a program/machine to write other programs/machines to do a different task, you're talking about an early version of strong A.I., something that's still quite a distance away.
From TFA:
When all science and engineering fields are considered, the percentage of bachelorâ(TM)s degree recipients who are women has improved to 51 percent in 2004-5 from 39 percent in 1984-85
Also from TFA:
When one looks at computer science in particular, however, the proportion of women has been falling. In 2001-2, only 28 percent of all undergraduate degrees in computer science went to women. By 2004-5, the number had declined to only 22 percent...women now make up less than 10 percent of the newest undergraduates
The point is that they're leaving CS specifically, not all engineering sciences in the same numbers, and people are interested in why.
I'm a CS major and I hate programming. But I don't know of a different degree to be in to study theoretical computing.
Why would I want to smell like a dog? I mean, I love them to death, but sometimes they just smell awful.
Although it looks like you think we are, especially because of those insane advertisements you have with Bill Gates and Jerry Seinfeld. Are you nuts???
Wait, what was wrong with the Gates/Seinfeld Ads? I thought they were hilarious. They didn't change my opinion about MS, Vista, or anything related, though I already use windows with mostly no complaints, and have no problem with Vista.
No, the stirling engine doesn't drive the car, it recharges the battery when the battery is run down. The battery drives the car, and the stirling engine can run additional features and then make sure you don't run out of battery in the middle of nowhere.