> I went through the classic "brainwashing" education. > Somehow I still managed to muddle through. > Even more interesting, my mother was one of the > brainwashers! Go figure.
Mothers are ALWAYS one of the brainwashers!;-)
Maybe that is where you got that unique style from, that mixture of condescention and hostility?
By the way... I am a newbie here, and I'm wondering where these (score ?)'s come from, my posts always get a 1, but I see you got a 2? How does that work?
> Translation: "It's a fair cop, but society is to blame."
Somehow I get the impression that my comment is being attacked or dismissed, with no reason given... one of those "well, everyone knows" kind of things coincidentally commented on by this Michael Crichton quote from yesterday's quote of the day:
Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first
refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by
claiming that the matter is already settled.
If we are ever going to get to the "desireable" point where people get to do what they love, it is good to questions our brainwashing... or maybe you can explain what you really meant?
That is a pretty fatalistic attitude... but I can understand where it comes from.
I think in order to keep a superficially ordered and hierarchical society we grind kids down to fit them into the boxes you forsee, and that they exist there is no argument.
The prerequisite problem them is how to change society so that instead of stunting people down into mules, and then using them to do mule work, we learn how to develop and allow full human beings to find what they love to do.
The difference in the two on a global scale I think will mean the difference between surviving as a species or going down never knowing what hit us... as they said in "Forbidden Planet", "Monsters from the id".
It is a challenge that is put to managers in more western countries these days more and more often, you cannot control people by abusing them anymore, so you have to motivate and inspire... and we simply are not geared to do that in the US anyway, it is the diametric opposite of what we are good at and believe in - factory mass production.
>> because the average Christian is so holier than thou when they answer it.
The answer is "I don't know"... "They don't know", "No one knows" and some people pretend to know to give other peoples some measure of false assurance.
The question is, how do we all live together in this universe that we all share with common problems when some people are strong and other people are weak given the realities of said universe.
That one we have some good ideas about, but no way to enforce them, so the religions think they are doing some good by bringing false assurance and denial to some people so that they will fight for, and thus steal from people not in the religion, making life a bit better and happier and more secure in their denial for the winner.
No one knows, no one can say they know, and no written paper has cosmological origin.
Just as you "blocked out" your automobile accident trauma, some people in some situations obsess on their memories, which "burns" them in, and makes them pop back up every time something sets them off.
I think this strategy is to suppress the repeated playing over and over and avoid the memory becoming so implanted and spread out that someone is paralyzed by these memories.
It would not exactly be erasing one's memory, it is like turning down the record volume on a tape so that when you play it back it is just not so loud. There are certain situations where that might be useful, but I can understand it is an aesthetic call, I have certain things that I believe and would not take any medication of mess with because I just think it is the way I am supposed to be.
Yes, what is the point of all this stuff if not to get more and more restrictive with rights... I mean, I go out and buy an album, can I play it for friends? What about at a party? But if we have a party at a bar, or restaurant, no? I cannot sing it perform it for anything that makes money, nor talk about it the wrong way in public. Where do critics get off then, and why shouldn't critics, any critic be able to use excepts from a work of art to show people what they mean.
I am all for people being compensated for their work, but what is going on under this aegis in the US and even Europe is an outrage that complicates and fractures our culture and society.
How much do people pay for their programming and media? How much of that actually gets to the artists, and how many of the artists actually get what they are worth, as opposed to what the shills who pimp them get for shoving their work in our eyes and ears?
So, what would be wrong with finding a number, a % of what people pay for media, and levying a tax that would go to an artist in relation to a voter approved formula, if voters could understand a formula, depenending on how many times people access their work, how much critical acclaim it gets, you know, things like that.
This would prevent starving artists, and mega-super-giga-stars as well that amass fortunes way past anything sensible inside the economy most of us live in.
This would also allow artists to leverage off other works for some period of time too.
It just seems something has to be done about this senseless scheme of intellectual property backed up by basically what is the legal mafia. It would be different if there was some logical consistancy to these copywrite, trademark, patent, laws, but every year as things get more and more complicated, and the winners want a bigger and bigger piece of everyone's pie, it shows that this scheme does not scale, any more than Windows OS.
Not that anyone would want to, but if you took the time to listen to some amount of McNealy's point of view of things it would not be very many ns's before you would hear this, in other words, how could you miss it... except for he is not saying much anymore, because there is no one who wants to listen to him or cares what he has to say.
I have to think the problem with these companies, SGI, Sun,... ie. several of the large UNIX computer manufacturers is that they have lots of the same upper management and boards of directors... these people create an image to get people to come work there, take the money from the company, and then drive it into the ground so they can retain the money and technology and the engineers and scientists who come up with the ideas end up with nothing, except in some cases a good amount of money.
It wasn't exactly Sun that ruined themselves, specifically it was Sun management who overrode good engineers. Sun was and is still full of arrogant and plain stupid managers who will not let go while they battle politically over the scraps left while the house burns down. Good riddance... only anyone know what is next?
It's a logical idea at some point I guess, but why would Apple which is successful, has a positive culture, and a great financial upside, anything to do with Sun which is circling the drain and whose culture is dead, and who stock cannot even hit $5 over the last 5 years now?
Apple could perhaps leverage Sun's upper end hardware, but the chances of anyone pulling that off with what is going on at Sun are pretty low... Sun has nothing of value anymore but their past and their name.
Apple on the other hand has returned from the grave, and really taken off because they are consumer oriented.
Scott McNealy is a loser who will milk Sun dry while flushing it down the toilet, if he cannot have it, no one will.
I should know this, I used to work on very large disk drives, and have taken apart smaller ones... but why are they not airtight? If you filtered the air, of put a vacuum in there at manufacture time... seems like that would help a lot, but you are correctomundo, there is that little filter hole.... what is it for?
you could use solid state cooling on the sides of the oil reservoir and silently exchange to the air... the problem is the power supplies and the drives? They ought to just make parallel machines with small silent simple CPUs that work in parallel like a phone or PDA... how about 16 or 32 CPU machine? Probably cheaper, more scaleable, less power, and more real time as well. Just need a good real-time OS.
Flourinert is what they used in the Crays... internally in the early ones, and immersible in the later ones.
The problem is... there is still noise from the disk drives and the power supply... what a lot of trouble for not much return... and god help you if you ever kick it over, or it leaks, or of something gets really hot... you have a bomb on your hands.
Flourinert is non-flammable I think, but as you said, expensive, I think it used to be around $1000/gallon, and it is not eco- friendly.
Back in the day of the immersed super-computer, they used to use artifical blood, a freon liquid to suck the heat away, exchange it with water, then exchange to the air.
What happens with the fans? or do they remove them?
the little pieces of each "saccade" of the mouse... after all that is what the human brain does... it pieces all our shaky random movements together into a steady picture of the world... any ideas?
I am familiar with the current Sun thin client. The paradigm "seems" to make sense, until you realize just how fast technology leaps. My conclusion is that what you get with a thin client is:
* Yots of your data flowing through eveyone's networks.
* Your data residing on someone else's "thing" somewhere.
* A regular fee that someone is charging you to do everything for you.
This makes sense, I don't say it doesn't. But for me, I would prefer to pay the price of waiting for all of it to become available for me to use at home.
If they had the thin client, I can have a laptop and more or less control my data, and applications. It is work, and costs money, but theoretically the market should take care of that... except for the monopoly in Redmond, it would have been.
So, if they can stop or co-opt open source, then there will be nothing but the thin client. Imagine what the government will use as an excuse to keep their control to have to look through all your data.
You will have more and more data, maybe in the future, every moment of your life could be stored... do you want the government or corporations looking through that? Even if it is "for your own good"???
It's great that Wisconsin has the love of liberty and democracy so great that they make this change, but what if they are the only one?
We need to have every, or as many as possible, states state that they will not recognize the results of any election that has non-open source code, or whatever, otherwise to throw an election only certain states need be targetted for attention. Say Florida, Ohio for example.
If you consider the value of the land under the railroad tracks and the maintenance on same... the cost goes way up I would think compared to this... not to mention there are lots of places railroads do not go.
>> Wall thickness of glass containers can certainly be deceptive.
So true... your comment makes me think of Round Table Pizza back when I was a kid and everything started along this line of completely deceptive packaging and all pervasive advertising. They came up with mugs that seemed like normal mugs, heavy though they were, but the wall thickness was thick at the top, and inverted conical, so the bottom thickness was really bad, and the amount of liquid needed to fill it was minimal... plus the ice at the top where there was some volume displaced the drink and watered it down. That is when I stopped going there.
Yeah, but more and more, less and less Americans hav money. So what is life going to be like in a country where the rich are floating high as a kite on the money they have more and more nedd of and need to "tax" the workers more and more to get. Already the taxpayers pay for the taxes, the fixes of things companies screw up, their research and development, subsidies for the rich, and the corporations tha screw up, ecological disasters, and what do they get... compromised justice... like any drug the people addicted to money need more and more and the see less and less what their quest for it does to them and others.
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> Just held up for a little fun.
Fun, here? Now whose being unrealistic?
> I went through the classic "brainwashing" education.
> Somehow I still managed to muddle through.
> Even more interesting, my mother was one of the
> brainwashers! Go figure.
Mothers are ALWAYS one of the brainwashers!
Maybe that is where you got that unique style from, that
mixture of condescention and hostility?
By the way
where these (score ?)'s come from, my posts always get
a 1, but I see you got a 2? How does that work?
> Translation: "It's a fair cop, but society is to blame."
... one of those "well,
... or maybe you can explain what you really
Somehow I get the impression that my comment is being attacked
or dismissed, with no reason given
everyone knows" kind of things coincidentally commented on
by this Michael Crichton quote from yesterday's quote of the
day:
Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first
refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by
claiming that the matter is already settled.
If we are ever going to get to the "desireable" point where
people get to do what they love, it is good to questions our
brainwashing
meant?
That is a pretty fatalistic attitude
where it comes from.
I think in order to keep a superficially ordered and hierarchical
society we grind kids down to fit them into the boxes you forsee,
and that they exist there is no argument.
The prerequisite problem them is how to change society so that
instead of stunting people down into mules, and then using them
to do mule work, we learn how to develop and allow full human
beings to find what they love to do.
The difference in the two on a global scale I think will mean the
difference between surviving as a species or going down never
knowing what hit us
"Monsters from the id".
It is a challenge that is put to managers in more western
countries these days more and more often, you cannot control
people by abusing them anymore, so you have to motivate and
inspire
US anyway, it is the diametric opposite of what we are good
at and believe in - factory mass production.
>> because the average Christian is so holier than thou when they answer it.
... "They don't know", "No one knows" and
The answer is "I don't know"
some people pretend to know to give other peoples some measure of false
assurance.
The question is, how do we all live together in this universe that
we all share with common problems when some people are strong and other
people are weak given the realities of said universe.
That one we have some good ideas about, but no way to enforce them,
so the religions think they are doing some good by bringing false
assurance and denial to some people so that they will fight for, and
thus steal from people not in the religion, making life a bit better
and happier and more secure in their denial for the winner.
No one knows, no one can say they know, and no written paper
has cosmological origin.
Just as you "blocked out" your automobile accident trauma,
some people in some situations obsess on their memories,
which "burns" them in, and makes them pop back up every
time something sets them off.
I think this strategy is to suppress the repeated playing
over and over and avoid the memory becoming so implanted
and spread out that someone is paralyzed by these memories.
It would not exactly be erasing one's memory, it is like
turning down the record volume on a tape so that when you
play it back it is just not so loud. There are certain
situations where that might be useful, but I can understand
it is an aesthetic call, I have certain things that I believe
and would not take any medication of mess with because I
just think it is the way I am supposed to be.
Yes, what is the point of all this stuff if not to get
more and more restrictive with rights
buy an album, can I play it for friends? What about at a party?
But if we have a party at a bar, or restaurant, no? I cannot
sing it perform it for anything that makes money, nor talk about
it the wrong way in public. Where do critics get off then, and
why shouldn't critics, any critic be able to use excepts from
a work of art to show people what they mean.
I am all for people being compensated for their work, but what
is going on under this aegis in the US and even Europe is an
outrage that complicates and fractures our culture and society.
How much do people pay for their programming and media?
How much of that actually gets to the artists, and how
many of the artists actually get what they are worth, as
opposed to what the shills who pimp them get for shoving
their work in our eyes and ears?
So, what would be wrong with finding a number, a % of what
people pay for media, and levying a tax that would go to
an artist in relation to a voter approved formula, if voters
could understand a formula, depenending on how many times
people access their work, how much critical acclaim it gets,
you know, things like that.
This would prevent starving artists, and mega-super-giga-stars
as well that amass fortunes way past anything sensible inside
the economy most of us live in.
This would also allow artists to leverage off other works
for some period of time too.
It just seems something has to be done about this senseless
scheme of intellectual property backed up by basically what
is the legal mafia. It would be different if there was some
logical consistancy to these copywrite, trademark, patent,
laws, but every year as things get more and more complicated,
and the winners want a bigger and bigger piece of everyone's
pie, it shows that this scheme does not scale, any more than
Windows OS.
>I don't hear him saying that.
... except for he is
Not that anyone would want to, but if you took the time to
listen to some amount of McNealy's point of view of things
it would not be very many ns's before you would hear this,
in other words, how could you miss it
not saying much anymore, because there is no one who wants
to listen to him or cares what he has to say.
I have to think the problem with these companies, SGI, Sun, ... ie. several of the large UNIX computer manufacturers is ... these people create an image to get people
that they have lots of the same upper management and boards
of directors
to come work there, take the money from the company, and then
drive it into the ground so they can retain the money and
technology and the engineers and scientists who come up with
the ideas end up with nothing, except in some cases a good
amount of money.
It wasn't exactly Sun that ruined themselves, specifically ... only anyone
it was Sun management who overrode good engineers. Sun was
and is still full of arrogant and plain stupid managers who
will not let go while they battle politically over the scraps
left while the house burns down. Good riddance
know what is next?
It's a logical idea at some point I guess, but why would
... Sun has nothing of value anymore
Apple which is successful, has a positive culture, and a
great financial upside, anything to do with Sun which is
circling the drain and whose culture is dead, and who stock
cannot even hit $5 over the last 5 years now?
Apple could perhaps leverage Sun's upper end hardware, but
the chances of anyone pulling that off with what is going on
at Sun are pretty low
but their past and their name.
Apple on the other hand has returned from the grave, and
really taken off because they are consumer oriented.
Scott McNealy is a loser who will milk Sun dry while
flushing it down the toilet, if he cannot have it, no one
will.
I should know this, I used to work on very large disk drives,
and have taken apart smaller ones
If you filtered the air, of put a vacuum in there at manufacture
time
there is that little filter hole
you could use solid state cooling on the sides of the ... the ... how
oil reservoir and silently exchange to the air
problem is the power supplies and the drives? They ought
to just make parallel machines with small silent simple
CPUs that work in parallel like a phone or PDA
about 16 or 32 CPU machine? Probably cheaper, more
scaleable, less power, and more real time as well. Just
need a good real-time OS.
Flourinert is what they used in the Crays ... internally in
... there is still noise from the disk drives ... what a lot of trouble for not much ... and god help you if you ever kick it over, or it ... you have a bomb
the early ones, and immersible in the later ones.
The problem is
and the power supply
return
leaks, or of something gets really hot
on your hands.
Flourinert is non-flammable I think, but as you said, expensive,
I think it used to be around $1000/gallon, and it is not eco-
friendly.
Back in the day of the immersed super-computer,
they used to use artifical blood, a freon liquid
to suck the heat away, exchange it with water,
then exchange to the air.
What happens with the fans? or do they remove them?
the little pieces of each "saccade" of the mouse
all that is what the human brain does
shaky random movements together into a steady picture of the
world
I am familiar with the current Sun thin client. The paradigm "seems" to make
... except for the
... do you want the government or corporations
sense, until you realize just how fast technology leaps. My conclusion is that
what you get with a thin client is:
* Yots of your data flowing through eveyone's networks.
* Your data residing on someone else's "thing" somewhere.
* A regular fee that someone is charging you to do everything for you.
This makes sense, I don't say it doesn't. But for me, I would prefer to
pay the price of waiting for all of it to become available for me to use
at home.
If they had the thin client, I can have a laptop and more or less
control my data, and applications. It is work, and costs money, but
theoretically the market should take care of that
monopoly in Redmond, it would have been.
So, if they can stop or co-opt open source, then there will be nothing
but the thin client. Imagine what the government will use as an excuse
to keep their control to have to look through all your data.
You will have more and more data, maybe in the future, every moment of
your life could be stored
looking through that? Even if it is "for your own good"???
verifiable as well.
It's great that Wisconsin has the love of liberty
and democracy so great that they make this change,
but what if they are the only one?
We need to have every, or as many as possible,
states state that they will not recognize the
results of any election that has non-open source
code, or whatever, otherwise to throw an election
only certain states need be targetted for attention.
Say Florida, Ohio for example.
If you consider the value of the land under the railroad tracks ... the cost goes way up I would ... not to mention there are lots
and the maintenance on same
think compared to this
of places railroads do not go.
seems like the veritical force is more what they need for
a lifter?
its : it's the possessive veresion of "it".
Ouch ... isn't English perverse?
>> Wall thickness of glass containers can certainly be deceptive.
... your comment makes me think of Round Table Pizza back ... plus the ice at the top where there was some
So true
when I was a kid and everything started along this line of completely
deceptive packaging and all pervasive advertising. They came up with
mugs that seemed like normal mugs, heavy though they were, but the
wall thickness was thick at the top, and inverted conical, so the
bottom thickness was really bad, and the amount of liquid needed to
fill it was minimal
volume displaced the drink and watered it down. That is when I stopped
going there.
Better check in to a hospital on that one ... a throat and ;-)
ear addiction is almost impossible to kick!
Yeah, but more and more, less and less Americans hav money.
So what is life going to be like in a country where the
rich are floating high as a kite on the money they have more
and more nedd of and need to "tax" the workers more and more
to get. Already the taxpayers pay for the taxes, the
fixes of things companies screw up, their research and development,
subsidies for the rich, and the corporations tha screw up,
ecological disasters, and what do they get
justice
more and more and the see less and less what their quest
for it does to them and others.