Isnt about time eric raymond and charlton heston exercised the 2nd amendment and cleansed the whitehouse of power-hungry fascists in a hail of assault weapon fire?
PS, that was a joke.
PPS, the fact the "free west" is turning into a fascist police state is chillingly far from a joke. I recommened anyone to read (dont watch) V for Vendetta. It throws conceits of security vs. freedom into stark releif.
I can't tell the difference between the graphics on a GC, PS2, XBox or Dreamcast.
When all's said and done about which hardware produces the finest graphics, if you sat and played say "burnout 5" on all three next gen consoles, you wouldn't notice any meaningful difference unless you put all three on simultaneously and scrutinised the screens.
So even if Revolution has lower rez graphics, you won't notice. Console graphics havent improved to any perceptible degree since the dreamcast. The higher poly race isnt worth running anymore. Not that i'm saying graphics wont get any better, just that it isnt crucial for the gameplay experience to stay on the bleeding edge.
I just thank god nintendo have done something interesting and new. I hope this new console is as alien and captivating as the N64 was when it came out. A large part of the mind-blowingly fun experience of Mario64 was having this wierd new controller to play with.
if this C linking is due to performance issues, then it looks like this appliance eliminates the need to link to C libs to get stuff to run fast enough.
I have a soft modded xbox that has samba access to the Ubuntu pc in my bedroom, plus NAT access to the net.
Trivial, and all it cost was a 2nd hand xbox.
But if a CPU/GPU combo was the same price as a GPU on it's own or CPU on its own why would it be an issue that you're getting a new CPU into the bargain?
I'm not imagining a case where a CPU/GPU combo is some kind of premium option, I'm thinking more like seperate GPUs would become obsolete since their functionality would become part of a standard CPU. And since GPUs were designed in the first place as a kind superpowered mutant FPU, it only seems natural that once the technology gets to the stage where such an FPU is viable as part of the main CPU it would be a lot more efficient to build it there. GPUs seem to be becoming more generalised, gradually moving the graphics specific logic from the hardware to the drivers, and leaving the hardware purely to hammer the neccesary floating point ops through.
I understand what you're saying about not wanting to be forced to uneccesarily upgrade components, but think of it like this, when you buy a new motherboard does it put your nose out of joint that you are getting a new built in soundcard and ethernet card as well? The thing is it's no cheaper to buy a motherboard without those things on it, so what the hell.
Obviously today a CPU+GPU would be an absurdly expensive device, but everything is to start off with, i'm talking about when it isn't expensive anymore.
And i'm not just thinking lump these things in together for the sake of it. The biggest bottleneck with GPUs today is latency. An on-die GPU that uses on-die cache is going to be phenominally fast.
As for brand loyalty, who knows, maybe ati or nvidia could cook up their own CPUs. Or Intel / AMD could add in their own GPUs. Kind of like a more useful SSE.
It amazes as well as delights me that nintendo are still able to make console gaming as exciting as it was in 1990.
If all we had to look forward to was PS3 and Xbox360 with their generic "midly sharper graphics" selling point i wouldn't even bother with the next generation of consoles until they were being sold off for £40 each. I only bought a ps2 because it was the only platform GTA was out on at the time, and i only got an xbox because i couldnt think of anyhting else i wanted for christmas a couple of years ago, and that is softmodded and used for emulators and streaming video from my PC anyway. Incidentally a softmodded xbox is a genuinely brilliant console.
I don't think OSS is all about which itches geeks want scratched anymore. IBM and Sun and a bunch of other big businesses have contributed to OSS. Admittedly I think this is mostly in the server space, but I don't think we need to discount the input of businesses themselves into OOo, which of course was a commercial product itself initially, and still has contributions from the business world.
You're thinking about it in terms of what things cost now. What i'm suggesting is that in the future it is possible that CPUs will have on-die GPUs and have large enough cache to accomodate general and graphics activities. And of course all this would be at the usual CPU price range.
What would effectively have happened is the seperate GPUs would be obsoleted or relegated to highend workstation parts, since you could get an all-in-one for $50-$500 depending on spec. This $1000 you're assuming it must cost is based on today's technology. This idea of being "forced" to upgrade is akin to being "forced" to upgrade your FPU every time you buy a new CPU; Since it would be inclusive in the price, you just wouldnt think or care about it.
This really isnt that fantastical to imagine. It's far from impossible, and the effieciency gains suggest to me that it would a probable development.
As for the arguement that they are designed to do seperate things- the reason this integration idea occured to me in the first place is that earlier in the forum someone pointed out the GPU is just a massively parallel FPU and that they are becoming more and more generalised, and are now being used for other FPU tasks, eg. Physics. So why not replace the bog standard FPU in a CPU with a massively parallel one and eliminate the need for a seperate graphics board?
Just because Intel make baseline GPUs doesnt mean AMD and Nvidia or ATI could team up and make high performance integerated ones.
Yeah cos every time i upgrade my CPU i really resent having to buy a new FPU for it at the same time. Why oh why did intel invent the DX? It all been down hill from there.....
And don't get me started on L1 cache..... why cant they just leave the cache on the motherboard, so i dont have to buy more of it when i upgrade my CPU. And RAM on my video card! What the hell is that? Why can't it just use system RAM?
Oh wait, because its much faster and and more efficient and my Athlon with it's built in FPU and on-die Cache is not more expensive than a 386SX+387 was in it's day.
I believe SQLite is a flat file database system, which means it is very lightweight and simple. I suppose it's like having an Access database inside Firefox. There aren't massive overheads.
MS wont develop a new ground-up OS - they look for a vulnerable startup with an innovative idea and rape them all to death, then eat their new OS and crap out Windows New New Technology.
Leveraging code as a product is absolutely not the point of OSS. RedHat's business model isn't built on developing code and selling copies of it at a profit. It's built on service contracts to maintain, enhance and support that code. RedHat's codebase is built on GPL code other people made, with alterations and enhancements RedHat have built on top. In return for using other people's code, they have to let everyone else use theirs.
Since they arent relying on productising their code, this doesnt hurt their bottom line, because people buy RedHat licences to enable and benefit from RedHat's constant improvements, not just to be allowed to install a copy on their computer.
I was just thinking that. You never know one day AMD might eat NVidia or ATI or vice versa and we can get multicore CPUs with GPUs built in. That would be pretty bitchin'.
Thinking about it, it's kind of like the old 386/387 days when you had a seperate CPU and FPU. Then the DX came out and combined the two. Can't wait till i get an Athlon128 FX9900GT with 2GB cache(!)
Population size is not a problem. We have space and potential resources for lots more people. It's the horrific waste that is destroying everything. The wanton consumption mandated by capitalism cannot be sustained at this population level, but limiting population only treats the symptom.
If the need for profit were eliminated from our global resource allocation system, the need for horrendous waste would be eliminated, and greed would become irrelevant. Power hungry assholes could indulge themselves in some other way, hopefully one that wont destroy our environment.
Well well MS "announce" a "product" to preemptively compete in a market without actually having to enter that market. Perhaps one of the PSP-killing features will be the ability to download games over the Avalanche file sharing protocol.
Despite any pretences this thing is going to be 3 years late, the size of a shoebox, and it will be a slightly reconfigured WinVista PDA. It's primary function will be to "deliver" windows DRM. The ability to play some games will be secondary. MS will shore it up with an inexhaustible slush fund much like the xbox in order to subsidise the infiltration of windows DRM into common home appliances.
the fact you have to spend hours considering the meaning of a couple sentences that are supposed to be god's divine explanation to us of how our world came to be, and that the only conclusion you can come to is a best guess based on one particular printed variant of this "absolute truth" totally invalidates the notion that bible is authoritative in any way.
The single coolest search thing in firefox is that if you type a phrase into the address bar, it looks it up on google and navigates to the top search result.
It's like having a browser that navigates via phrases instead of URLs. e.g. just type "slashdot" and it goes straight here. It's most handy for going to sites you cant remember or dont know the URL of. Like finding the website of your device manufacturer. If you type "gigabyte" you go straight to www.giga-byte.com, but if you'd guessed and put www.gigabyte.com you would have gone to some web design company who are probably just squatting on a valuable domain name.
DTS and Dolby Digital both co exist in the DVD world, so why cant blu ray and HD? All that's going to happen is that the hardware manufactures will make "All format" DVD players and after a few years this will be the only kind of player available. What format your discs are in wont matter, so one format won't need to win.
Name one open source programming project that is "mob ruled". It's absurd to suggest that open source projects that haven't attained critical mass as a business venture are suffering from anarchistic lack of direction.
Surely what the article should say is any open source business ventures need to consistently guided towards business goals to succeed in that area. No shit sherlock.
Perhaps it never occured to these clueless twats that some open source projects aren't aiming to succeed as a business, and are quite happy being consistently guided by their focused, cooperative maintainers towards the goal of being a decent peice of software.
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PS, that was a joke.
PPS, the fact the "free west" is turning into a fascist police state is chillingly far from a joke. I recommened anyone to read (dont watch) V for Vendetta. It throws conceits of security vs. freedom into stark releif.
When all's said and done about which hardware produces the finest graphics, if you sat and played say "burnout 5" on all three next gen consoles, you wouldn't notice any meaningful difference unless you put all three on simultaneously and scrutinised the screens.
So even if Revolution has lower rez graphics, you won't notice. Console graphics havent improved to any perceptible degree since the dreamcast. The higher poly race isnt worth running anymore. Not that i'm saying graphics wont get any better, just that it isnt crucial for the gameplay experience to stay on the bleeding edge.
I just thank god nintendo have done something interesting and new. I hope this new console is as alien and captivating as the N64 was when it came out. A large part of the mind-blowingly fun experience of Mario64 was having this wierd new controller to play with.
if this C linking is due to performance issues, then it looks like this appliance eliminates the need to link to C libs to get stuff to run fast enough.
I have a soft modded xbox that has samba access to the Ubuntu pc in my bedroom, plus NAT access to the net. Trivial, and all it cost was a 2nd hand xbox.
I'm not imagining a case where a CPU/GPU combo is some kind of premium option, I'm thinking more like seperate GPUs would become obsolete since their functionality would become part of a standard CPU. And since GPUs were designed in the first place as a kind superpowered mutant FPU, it only seems natural that once the technology gets to the stage where such an FPU is viable as part of the main CPU it would be a lot more efficient to build it there. GPUs seem to be becoming more generalised, gradually moving the graphics specific logic from the hardware to the drivers, and leaving the hardware purely to hammer the neccesary floating point ops through.
I understand what you're saying about not wanting to be forced to uneccesarily upgrade components, but think of it like this, when you buy a new motherboard does it put your nose out of joint that you are getting a new built in soundcard and ethernet card as well? The thing is it's no cheaper to buy a motherboard without those things on it, so what the hell.
Obviously today a CPU+GPU would be an absurdly expensive device, but everything is to start off with, i'm talking about when it isn't expensive anymore.
And i'm not just thinking lump these things in together for the sake of it. The biggest bottleneck with GPUs today is latency. An on-die GPU that uses on-die cache is going to be phenominally fast.
As for brand loyalty, who knows, maybe ati or nvidia could cook up their own CPUs. Or Intel / AMD could add in their own GPUs. Kind of like a more useful SSE.
If all we had to look forward to was PS3 and Xbox360 with their generic "midly sharper graphics" selling point i wouldn't even bother with the next generation of consoles until they were being sold off for £40 each. I only bought a ps2 because it was the only platform GTA was out on at the time, and i only got an xbox because i couldnt think of anyhting else i wanted for christmas a couple of years ago, and that is softmodded and used for emulators and streaming video from my PC anyway. Incidentally a softmodded xbox is a genuinely brilliant console.
That signature is freakin hilarious :)
I don't think OSS is all about which itches geeks want scratched anymore. IBM and Sun and a bunch of other big businesses have contributed to OSS. Admittedly I think this is mostly in the server space, but I don't think we need to discount the input of businesses themselves into OOo, which of course was a commercial product itself initially, and still has contributions from the business world.
What would effectively have happened is the seperate GPUs would be obsoleted or relegated to highend workstation parts, since you could get an all-in-one for $50-$500 depending on spec. This $1000 you're assuming it must cost is based on today's technology. This idea of being "forced" to upgrade is akin to being "forced" to upgrade your FPU every time you buy a new CPU; Since it would be inclusive in the price, you just wouldnt think or care about it.
This really isnt that fantastical to imagine. It's far from impossible, and the effieciency gains suggest to me that it would a probable development.
As for the arguement that they are designed to do seperate things- the reason this integration idea occured to me in the first place is that earlier in the forum someone pointed out the GPU is just a massively parallel FPU and that they are becoming more and more generalised, and are now being used for other FPU tasks, eg. Physics. So why not replace the bog standard FPU in a CPU with a massively parallel one and eliminate the need for a seperate graphics board?
Just because Intel make baseline GPUs doesnt mean AMD and Nvidia or ATI could team up and make high performance integerated ones.
And don't get me started on L1 cache..... why cant they just leave the cache on the motherboard, so i dont have to buy more of it when i upgrade my CPU. And RAM on my video card! What the hell is that? Why can't it just use system RAM?
Oh wait, because its much faster and and more efficient and my Athlon with it's built in FPU and on-die Cache is not more expensive than a 386SX+387 was in it's day.
then email google and tell them their calculator thingy doesnt work.
only someone else who owns a delorean may criticise my signature. :p
That is all just a guess, i dont know for sure
MS wont develop a new ground-up OS - they look for a vulnerable startup with an innovative idea and rape them all to death, then eat their new OS and crap out Windows New New Technology.
Since they arent relying on productising their code, this doesnt hurt their bottom line, because people buy RedHat licences to enable and benefit from RedHat's constant improvements, not just to be allowed to install a copy on their computer.
I was just thinking that. You never know one day AMD might eat NVidia or ATI or vice versa and we can get multicore CPUs with GPUs built in. That would be pretty bitchin'. Thinking about it, it's kind of like the old 386/387 days when you had a seperate CPU and FPU. Then the DX came out and combined the two. Can't wait till i get an Athlon128 FX9900GT with 2GB cache(!)
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If the need for profit were eliminated from our global resource allocation system, the need for horrendous waste would be eliminated, and greed would become irrelevant. Power hungry assholes could indulge themselves in some other way, hopefully one that wont destroy our environment.
hahaha he should change it to linux. That would be funny.
Despite any pretences this thing is going to be 3 years late, the size of a shoebox, and it will be a slightly reconfigured WinVista PDA. It's primary function will be to "deliver" windows DRM. The ability to play some games will be secondary. MS will shore it up with an inexhaustible slush fund much like the xbox in order to subsidise the infiltration of windows DRM into common home appliances.
antifreeze conducts heat worse that water does. its possible the extra chill would be wasted by the fact less heat was being absorbed from the chip.
the fact you have to spend hours considering the meaning of a couple sentences that are supposed to be god's divine explanation to us of how our world came to be, and that the only conclusion you can come to is a best guess based on one particular printed variant of this "absolute truth" totally invalidates the notion that bible is authoritative in any way.
It's like having a browser that navigates via phrases instead of URLs. e.g. just type "slashdot" and it goes straight here. It's most handy for going to sites you cant remember or dont know the URL of. Like finding the website of your device manufacturer. If you type "gigabyte" you go straight to www.giga-byte.com, but if you'd guessed and put www.gigabyte.com you would have gone to some web design company who are probably just squatting on a valuable domain name.
DTS and Dolby Digital both co exist in the DVD world, so why cant blu ray and HD? All that's going to happen is that the hardware manufactures will make "All format" DVD players and after a few years this will be the only kind of player available. What format your discs are in wont matter, so one format won't need to win.
Surely what the article should say is any open source business ventures need to consistently guided towards business goals to succeed in that area. No shit sherlock.
Perhaps it never occured to these clueless twats that some open source projects aren't aiming to succeed as a business, and are quite happy being consistently guided by their focused, cooperative maintainers towards the goal of being a decent peice of software.
I want a chocolate milkshave!!! Where can i get one? Thailand?