I hope the study does not make that broad a conclusion. This must be another bad/. summary. If it does really make that conclusion then it is obviously propaganda science. Seriously how could they possibly have studied all the effects of all possible GM crops? It's like doing a study of a few anti-biotics and stating "Study Confirms Safety of Prescription Drugs." I might believe a conclusion that says "This particular GM corn appears to have no excess adverse health effects" but this is absurd. Who paid for the study? Monsanto? ADM?
and probably no interest. You know the way to give good gifts is to try to understand what the recipient enjoys then give based on that information. When you try to push something "good for them" on them you're like that dentist who hands out toothbrushes on halloween.
Why is that that the first time I hear about massive protests in Kazakhstan is a post on/. about hactivists doing an end run around an internet shutdown?
Oh, yeah, I remember now... because I live in the good old USA where we have freedom of the press. That is freedom of the 6 (or is it 5 now) media corporations to ignore whatever they want.
If it is an act of war against a foreign nation... what do you call it when several helicopters full of navy seals are sent into a foreign nation to kidnap or kill an individual who is living there with the implicit permission of the host nation, killing anyone who resists, taking the body of the target out... all without notice or permission of the host nation?
Do you really want to play a game of "lets pick and choose what we call an act of war"?
Or are police somehow immune to driving while distracted dangers?
Well they are immune to the dangers of:
speeding
running red lights
passing on the shoulder
tailgating
etc.
why wouldn't they be immune to the dangers of distracted driving?
BTW each of those behaviors listed above have been observed by me by police cars that did not have their lights on and did not appear to be heading to a crime or accident.
Child porn has been censored in the US for decades. Has it led to political censorship yet? Nope. Again, you're insane. Paranoid, specifically.
If you think there isn't political censorship in the US then you aren't paying much attention. Of course I don't believe that banning child porn has lead to our political censorship. In fact we, in the US, have always banned some content by law, but we're much less restrictive than we used to be. So the long term trend has actually been to increase the types of expression that are legal. So the slippery slope theory doesn't fit with the available data.
Now political censorship does indeed happen, but it isn't scary big government doing it to us, it is our media. We have 6 or is it 5 now, corporations that own something like 90% of all the media. There are many important news stories every year that are simply never covered here. Take for instance Iceland's revolution that started in 2009. The people of a well off western democracy rose up against their government and are now rewriting their constitution. Why? Because they were unwilling to accept the burden of the private debts of their country's banking industry. Now regardless of whether you think this is a good thing doesn't matter, it is a really big story, and it was ignored. Unless you knew to go looking for the story you probably missed it. I mostly did. It got coverage in terms of finance. "Iceland might default on it's debt" "Icleland Bank Defaults Leave Many Brits With No Savings" etc.
Have you ever been at the station when there was a really slow moving old lady at the front of the line... they would separate anyways and either tear her in half, or drop her between the tracks and grind her into paste on the ground.
I don't get it, it seems to me like this plan would solve your problem!
The written bible is not offensive because the bumpkins who take offense at the adult content are the same people who could never read the book in the first place. BUT the Brick Testament is basically a comic book version of the bible, and anyone can look at the shocking pictures and say "oh my God."
I love the Brick Testament. It is probably the most convincing illustration that the bible is both nonsensical and morally abhorrent. It achieves these ends by quoting the bible and by showing you the story. It is a bit like Tina Fey and her skit about Sara Palin where she quoted Palin word for word. It takes little more than a clear illustration of the stories therein to show you why the last 2000 years have been dominated by war and genocide. The god of the christians, jews, and muslims is a cold blooded genocidal monster. If you don't believe me read Joshua.
I'm not surprised that a bunch of Christian busy bodies were offended by their own holy scriptures, I find them offensive as well.
However, in going through all the schedules and supplementary documents related to the old contract, which we will begin winding down next spring, we've discovered some pretty stiff data remanence requirements that, for hard drives at least, boil down to 'they must be sent to an appropriately recognized facility for destruction.'
I know government contracts are long, but why is it no one read the contract before now? If you signed it without reading it, then you should expect to be surprised later. I'd say that replacing some hard drives is pretty minor. You got off easy.
NOOO!! Polar Pure is a great product. Other water purifying products cost orders of magnitude more on a per volume of drinkable water basis. I love this product. A bottle of the stuff can treat way over a thousand liters, and has an indefinite shelf life. I have a bottle, in my emergency kit. I'm gonna rush out and buy one or two more right now. F#C%ing DEA!
Incidentally the Polar Pure website says they are involved in a government permitting process, so he is down, but not necessarily out.
I don't see how my side having the capability to make "surprise, asymmetric attacks" could be considered a bad thing on its own. Whats the price tag?
What side is that? The side of the war mongers? The side of death and destruction? The side of global empire by way of threats of devastating violence? The side of the great and merciful God who will wipe out the heretics, pagans, and idolators? Or maybe just the side of the fearful.
The price tag is violence, death, fear, hatred, massively imbalanced economies, the domination of our democracy by the military-industrial complex, and terrorism. The worst part of the price tag is the fact that when we have a huge technical military advantage we tend to use it. When we use it there are immense costs to millions of people who live very far away, and terrible costs to our own souls.
0.9mg/cm^3 is 0.9kg/m^3, i.e. lighter than air (1.2kg/m^3). I call shenanigans.
Yes, and if you wrapped an impermeable skin around it and evacuated the air using the lattice material as a support for the skin then it probably would float (assuming that the skin didn't tip the balance of the stuff into being too dense and assuming the material was strong enough to resist collapse from the atmospheric pressure). BUT it is a lattice material and the spaces in between the hollow metallic tubes are typically, brace yourself... full of air! So on it's own it does not float.
It's amazing to me that the parent got modded insightful. Sure he can google the density of air, but clearly he couldn't reason his way out of a paper bag.
If you were tuned to any American broadcaster at the time, did the alert system reach you?
Tune? Broadcaster? Seriously? What is this the 20th century? I think the failure here is not that there were glitches, but that the new state of the art Emergency Alert System relies on ancient media technologies. To be fair I do listen to the radio in my car, but I haven't had a TV in my home or workplace for 8 years. A really useful emergency alert would send text messages to every phone in the country, and would use the major ISPs to pop up alerts on everyone's browser.
If US citizens feared the government just half as much as they did 100 years ago, then we wouldn't have HUD. We wouldn't have the TSA. The FDA would only regulate selling drugs with incorrect labels, and there would be no banned substances list. We wouldn't have government schools. We wouldn't have the DMV. We wouldn't have Food Stamps or Welfare. We wouldn't have government backed student loans or government backed car companies. Our cars would not need to pass emission testing, and would not be limited by cafe standards. Our showers could put out any amount of water that the customer chose, and we wouldn't have laws regulating what method we use for generating light in our houses. And no one would even think of trying to implement government health care.
Housing for the poor would still be tenement style, it would be impossible to tell the legitimate over the counter drugs from the latest patent medicine scam, a decent education would not be available to the poor or minorities, the DVMs are state institutions and we probably would still have them, millions more children would go hungry on a regular basis, a college education would be available only to the rich, our air would be unbreathably filthy, our water would be poison, we'd already be facing oil and water shortages, worker protections would be non-existant, diseases like mesothelioma would number in the hundred thousands per year instead of thousands per year, we would have no weekends, poverty would be the inevitable result of disabilities and the typical condition of the elderly, and we would still have massively disruptive economic cycles (depressions every 25 years or so).
It's sad to see the level of discussion at/. sink to such a low level when the subject moves away from programming, intellectual property, or star trek. I just read dozens of posts all raising the specter of mob rule and tyranny of the majority. Please RTFA! and read up on the subject of consensus based decision making. Tyranny of the majority is not a problem with consensus models. Ability to come to a timely decision, obstructionism by minorities, and decision making on very large scales can all be problems. Worrying about tyranny of the majority in consensus systems is like worrying about what brand of motor oil to use in your brand new Tesla Roadster.
It's funny to see these comments because even a brief examination of the 20th century shows that federal and parliamentary republics both have big problems with tyranny of the majority. It's almost like listening to someone with borderline personality disorder accusing everyone else of being manipulative and argumentative.
Odd, there were dozens or porta-potties at Occupy Oakland when I was there last week. They are serviced daily, and none of the money comes from any billionaires. Where do you get these weird ideas?
Everyone thinks they know better than anyone else without actually knowing anything at all. They just have a need to comment and vote about it, saying they know better.... Direct, 100% democracy also leads to huge problems for minorities.
The post that proves its own point. Clearly Mr. nepka is unfamiliar with the consensus based decision models that are the subject of this discussion. Majority rule is NOT what we are talking about.
You should RTFA. The name may translate from the german into "street scooter", but the vehicle is a car.
Oh, and here is a link to a site with a picture, which has not yet been/.ed
http://www.evworld.com/news.cfm?rssid=26745
Well perhaps your high and mighty superiority complex needs a nice lecture on the history of the english language. How it has a few remnants of p-celt but is mostly a flavor of German that was brought to the island by the Angles and the Saxons during the 6th century. Much later, after the Norman invasion when most of the nobility was French speaking lots of new words were introduced into the language. This explains why we have two words for most sorts of meat (sheep/mutton cows/beef etc) and it also explains why so many words don't follow easy to learn spelling rules of thumb. We have elements of Germanic and Romance languages which are fairly different branches of the indo-european language family tree. English has certainly NOT inherited a disproportionate amount of Latin. French, Italian, Spanish, and Portuguese are almost all Latin in origin. English gets almost all of it's Latin through the French. Though to be fair we do have more Latin bits than German, Dutch, and the Scandinavian languages. But so much for the highly simplified history of the language. The fact that Libre means free and comes from Latin (ooh it's Latin it's sooo sophisticated) is fine and is well understood by all but the most uneducated, but it doesn't change my opinion that the name is clunky and utterly fails to have a nice ring to it. It's exactly the sort of name that a committee of programers would come up with. So perhaps if you pulled your head out of your highly cultured ass you might realize that I was expressing my opinion that has nothing to do with etymology and everything to do with my opinion that the name sounds like crap.
Anyone who says he doesn't get what these demonstrations are about is clueless or lying. We want this country to be run for the benefit of all the people. It's that simple, and that complex.
Though I don't fully agree with it, I think that the Occupy Oakland website makes some good points:
To the Politicians and the 1%: This occupation is its own demand.
Since we don’t need permission to claim what is already ours, we do not have a list of demands to give you. There is no specific thing you can do in order to make us “go away”. And the last thing we want is for you to preserve your power, to reinforce your role as the ruling classes in our society.
It may not be obvious to you, but the decisions you make daily, as well as this system you are a part of, these things are not working for us. Our goal is bring power back where it belongs, with the people, so we can fix what politicians and corporations have screwed up.
Stand aside!
To the Media: Our struggle won’t fit in a 15 second soundbite.
This occupation is a beginning, and we have a long way to go. And while we have much in common, we believe the people are stronger united behind many banners, rather than a single one. We want to make it very clear that Occupy Oakland is not putting forward leaders, tactical or strategic directives, or a uniform message or political platform.
One of the ways I disagree with that statement is I believe there are concrete things that can be done now that will make a big difference in our lives. Without even taking a breath, I can rattle off a dozen of things, any of which would start us down a path to the overall goal of running this nation for the people and by the people...
1 corporations are not persons and do not have rights other than those explicitly granted in their corporate charter
2 return of the Glass-Steagall Act
3 a small transaction tax on all trades of stocks, bonds, commodities, and derivatives
4 minimum requirements for cash on hand for all financial institutions
5 restrictions on derivatives including bans on instruments that pose systemic risk
6 a public banking sector, run at the state and local level like in Germany, to provide reasonable and fair financing to people and businesses
7 progressive income taxes and capital gains that are more in line with historical periods of prosperity, like the '50s or '60s
8 real patent and copyright reform
9 single payer healthcare or a robust public insurance choice
10 ban all donations to elections or elected officials except limited and disclosed donations from individuals, screw that, publicly funded elections are better, make the bastards come to my neighborhood and talk me into voting for them and ban all bribes/donations
11 audit the Federal Reserve
12 stop waging wars, especially unnecessary wars
now once that is in place we can start talking about real reform.
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I hope the study does not make that broad a conclusion. This must be another bad /. summary. If it does really make that conclusion then it is obviously propaganda science. Seriously how could they possibly have studied all the effects of all possible GM crops? It's like doing a study of a few anti-biotics and stating "Study Confirms Safety of Prescription Drugs." I might believe a conclusion that says "This particular GM corn appears to have no excess adverse health effects" but this is absurd. Who paid for the study? Monsanto? ADM?
They have no programming experience,
and probably no interest. You know the way to give good gifts is to try to understand what the recipient enjoys then give based on that information. When you try to push something "good for them" on them you're like that dentist who hands out toothbrushes on halloween.
Why is that that the first time I hear about massive protests in Kazakhstan is a post on /. about hactivists doing an end run around an internet shutdown?
Oh, yeah, I remember now... because I live in the good old USA where we have freedom of the press. That is freedom of the 6 (or is it 5 now) media corporations to ignore whatever they want.
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-time-magazine-covers-explain-why-americans-know-nothing-about-the-world-2011-11
Read Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson.
I'm told that in the rest of the world Time magazine is still a reputable source of news reporting. Perhaps this will help you understand better. http://www.businessinsider.com/these-time-magazine-covers-explain-why-americans-know-nothing-about-the-world-2011-11
Can you imagine the furor if the Iranians were caught flying a spy drone over the US or Israel?
If it is an act of war against a foreign nation... what do you call it when several helicopters full of navy seals are sent into a foreign nation to kidnap or kill an individual who is living there with the implicit permission of the host nation, killing anyone who resists, taking the body of the target out... all without notice or permission of the host nation?
Do you really want to play a game of "lets pick and choose what we call an act of war"?
No that was an act of war too.
it would be like flying a remote controlled helicopter around your yard that crashed into your neighbor's yard.
Except that the air over your neighbor's yard isn't the airspace of a sovereign nation.
Or are police somehow immune to driving while distracted dangers?
Well they are immune to the dangers of:
speeding
running red lights
passing on the shoulder
tailgating
etc.
why wouldn't they be immune to the dangers of distracted driving?
BTW each of those behaviors listed above have been observed by me by police cars that did not have their lights on and did not appear to be heading to a crime or accident.
Child porn has been censored in the US for decades. Has it led to political censorship yet? Nope. Again, you're insane. Paranoid, specifically.
If you think there isn't political censorship in the US then you aren't paying much attention. Of course I don't believe that banning child porn has lead to our political censorship. In fact we, in the US, have always banned some content by law, but we're much less restrictive than we used to be. So the long term trend has actually been to increase the types of expression that are legal. So the slippery slope theory doesn't fit with the available data.
Now political censorship does indeed happen, but it isn't scary big government doing it to us, it is our media. We have 6 or is it 5 now, corporations that own something like 90% of all the media. There are many important news stories every year that are simply never covered here. Take for instance Iceland's revolution that started in 2009. The people of a well off western democracy rose up against their government and are now rewriting their constitution. Why? Because they were unwilling to accept the burden of the private debts of their country's banking industry. Now regardless of whether you think this is a good thing doesn't matter, it is a really big story, and it was ignored. Unless you knew to go looking for the story you probably missed it. I mostly did. It got coverage in terms of finance. "Iceland might default on it's debt" "Icleland Bank Defaults Leave Many Brits With No Savings" etc.
Have you ever been at the station when there was a really slow moving old lady at the front of the line ... they would separate anyways and either tear her in half, or drop her between the tracks and grind her into paste on the ground.
I don't get it, it seems to me like this plan would solve your problem!
The written bible is not offensive because the bumpkins who take offense at the adult content are the same people who could never read the book in the first place. BUT the Brick Testament is basically a comic book version of the bible, and anyone can look at the shocking pictures and say "oh my God."
I love the Brick Testament. It is probably the most convincing illustration that the bible is both nonsensical and morally abhorrent. It achieves these ends by quoting the bible and by showing you the story. It is a bit like Tina Fey and her skit about Sara Palin where she quoted Palin word for word. It takes little more than a clear illustration of the stories therein to show you why the last 2000 years have been dominated by war and genocide. The god of the christians, jews, and muslims is a cold blooded genocidal monster. If you don't believe me read Joshua.
I'm not surprised that a bunch of Christian busy bodies were offended by their own holy scriptures, I find them offensive as well.
However, in going through all the schedules and supplementary documents related to the old contract, which we will begin winding down next spring, we've discovered some pretty stiff data remanence requirements that, for hard drives at least, boil down to 'they must be sent to an appropriately recognized facility for destruction.'
I know government contracts are long, but why is it no one read the contract before now? If you signed it without reading it, then you should expect to be surprised later. I'd say that replacing some hard drives is pretty minor. You got off easy.
RFTC = read the f-ing contract!
NOOO!! Polar Pure is a great product. Other water purifying products cost orders of magnitude more on a per volume of drinkable water basis. I love this product. A bottle of the stuff can treat way over a thousand liters, and has an indefinite shelf life. I have a bottle, in my emergency kit. I'm gonna rush out and buy one or two more right now. F#C%ing DEA!
Incidentally the Polar Pure website says they are involved in a government permitting process, so he is down, but not necessarily out.
I don't see how my side having the capability to make "surprise, asymmetric attacks" could be considered a bad thing on its own. Whats the price tag?
What side is that? The side of the war mongers? The side of death and destruction? The side of global empire by way of threats of devastating violence? The side of the great and merciful God who will wipe out the heretics, pagans, and idolators? Or maybe just the side of the fearful.
The price tag is violence, death, fear, hatred, massively imbalanced economies, the domination of our democracy by the military-industrial complex, and terrorism. The worst part of the price tag is the fact that when we have a huge technical military advantage we tend to use it. When we use it there are immense costs to millions of people who live very far away, and terrible costs to our own souls.
0.9mg/cm^3 is 0.9kg/m^3, i.e. lighter than air (1.2kg/m^3). I call shenanigans.
Yes, and if you wrapped an impermeable skin around it and evacuated the air using the lattice material as a support for the skin then it probably would float (assuming that the skin didn't tip the balance of the stuff into being too dense and assuming the material was strong enough to resist collapse from the atmospheric pressure). BUT it is a lattice material and the spaces in between the hollow metallic tubes are typically, brace yourself... full of air! So on it's own it does not float.
It's amazing to me that the parent got modded insightful. Sure he can google the density of air, but clearly he couldn't reason his way out of a paper bag.
If you were tuned to any American broadcaster at the time, did the alert system reach you?
Tune? Broadcaster? Seriously? What is this the 20th century? I think the failure here is not that there were glitches, but that the new state of the art Emergency Alert System relies on ancient media technologies. To be fair I do listen to the radio in my car, but I haven't had a TV in my home or workplace for 8 years. A really useful emergency alert would send text messages to every phone in the country, and would use the major ISPs to pop up alerts on everyone's browser.
don't you read Fox News
People who get their news from Fox can't read.
If US citizens feared the government just half as much as they did 100 years ago, then we wouldn't have HUD. We wouldn't have the TSA. The FDA would only regulate selling drugs with incorrect labels, and there would be no banned substances list. We wouldn't have government schools. We wouldn't have the DMV. We wouldn't have Food Stamps or Welfare. We wouldn't have government backed student loans or government backed car companies. Our cars would not need to pass emission testing, and would not be limited by cafe standards. Our showers could put out any amount of water that the customer chose, and we wouldn't have laws regulating what method we use for generating light in our houses. And no one would even think of trying to implement government health care.
Housing for the poor would still be tenement style, it would be impossible to tell the legitimate over the counter drugs from the latest patent medicine scam, a decent education would not be available to the poor or minorities, the DVMs are state institutions and we probably would still have them, millions more children would go hungry on a regular basis, a college education would be available only to the rich, our air would be unbreathably filthy, our water would be poison, we'd already be facing oil and water shortages, worker protections would be non-existant, diseases like mesothelioma would number in the hundred thousands per year instead of thousands per year, we would have no weekends, poverty would be the inevitable result of disabilities and the typical condition of the elderly, and we would still have massively disruptive economic cycles (depressions every 25 years or so).
Damn I miss the good-old-days.
It's sad to see the level of discussion at /. sink to such a low level when the subject moves away from programming, intellectual property, or star trek. I just read dozens of posts all raising the specter of mob rule and tyranny of the majority. Please RTFA! and read up on the subject of consensus based decision making. Tyranny of the majority is not a problem with consensus models. Ability to come to a timely decision, obstructionism by minorities, and decision making on very large scales can all be problems. Worrying about tyranny of the majority in consensus systems is like worrying about what brand of motor oil to use in your brand new Tesla Roadster.
It's funny to see these comments because even a brief examination of the 20th century shows that federal and parliamentary republics both have big problems with tyranny of the majority. It's almost like listening to someone with borderline personality disorder accusing everyone else of being manipulative and argumentative.
Odd, there were dozens or porta-potties at Occupy Oakland when I was there last week. They are serviced daily, and none of the money comes from any billionaires. Where do you get these weird ideas?
Everyone thinks they know better than anyone else without actually knowing anything at all. They just have a need to comment and vote about it, saying they know better. ... Direct, 100% democracy also leads to huge problems for minorities.
The post that proves its own point. Clearly Mr. nepka is unfamiliar with the consensus based decision models that are the subject of this discussion. Majority rule is NOT what we are talking about.
You should RTFA. The name may translate from the german into "street scooter", but the vehicle is a car. Oh, and here is a link to a site with a picture, which has not yet been /.ed
http://www.evworld.com/news.cfm?rssid=26745
Well perhaps your high and mighty superiority complex needs a nice lecture on the history of the english language. How it has a few remnants of p-celt but is mostly a flavor of German that was brought to the island by the Angles and the Saxons during the 6th century. Much later, after the Norman invasion when most of the nobility was French speaking lots of new words were introduced into the language. This explains why we have two words for most sorts of meat (sheep/mutton cows/beef etc) and it also explains why so many words don't follow easy to learn spelling rules of thumb. We have elements of Germanic and Romance languages which are fairly different branches of the indo-european language family tree. English has certainly NOT inherited a disproportionate amount of Latin. French, Italian, Spanish, and Portuguese are almost all Latin in origin. English gets almost all of it's Latin through the French. Though to be fair we do have more Latin bits than German, Dutch, and the Scandinavian languages. But so much for the highly simplified history of the language. The fact that Libre means free and comes from Latin (ooh it's Latin it's sooo sophisticated) is fine and is well understood by all but the most uneducated, but it doesn't change my opinion that the name is clunky and utterly fails to have a nice ring to it. It's exactly the sort of name that a committee of programers would come up with. So perhaps if you pulled your head out of your highly cultured ass you might realize that I was expressing my opinion that has nothing to do with etymology and everything to do with my opinion that the name sounds like crap.
To the Politicians and the 1%: This occupation is its own demand.
Since we don’t need permission to claim what is already ours, we do not have a list of demands to give you. There is no specific thing you can do in order to make us “go away”. And the last thing we want is for you to preserve your power, to reinforce your role as the ruling classes in our society.
It may not be obvious to you, but the decisions you make daily, as well as this system you are a part of, these things are not working for us. Our goal is bring power back where it belongs, with the people, so we can fix what politicians and corporations have screwed up.
Stand aside!
To the Media: Our struggle won’t fit in a 15 second soundbite.
This occupation is a beginning, and we have a long way to go. And while we have much in common, we believe the people are stronger united behind many banners, rather than a single one. We want to make it very clear that Occupy Oakland is not putting forward leaders, tactical or strategic directives, or a uniform message or political platform.
One of the ways I disagree with that statement is I believe there are concrete things that can be done now that will make a big difference in our lives. Without even taking a breath, I can rattle off a dozen of things, any of which would start us down a path to the overall goal of running this nation for the people and by the people...
1 corporations are not persons and do not have rights other than those explicitly granted in their corporate charter
2 return of the Glass-Steagall Act
3 a small transaction tax on all trades of stocks, bonds, commodities, and derivatives
4 minimum requirements for cash on hand for all financial institutions
5 restrictions on derivatives including bans on instruments that pose systemic risk
6 a public banking sector, run at the state and local level like in Germany, to provide reasonable and fair financing to people and businesses
7 progressive income taxes and capital gains that are more in line with historical periods of prosperity, like the '50s or '60s
8 real patent and copyright reform
9 single payer healthcare or a robust public insurance choice
10 ban all donations to elections or elected officials except limited and disclosed donations from individuals, screw that, publicly funded elections are better, make the bastards come to my neighborhood and talk me into voting for them and ban all bribes/donations
11 audit the Federal Reserve
12 stop waging wars, especially unnecessary wars
now once that is in place we can start talking about real reform.