Actually, Microsoft redesigned the menu, not the toolbar. IE7 and WMP10 has toolbars, but the menu is hided and you can get it showed when you press alt. Microsoft removed menu, and joined it functionality to toolbar, so you only see a toolbar. This way Microsoft got better WYSIWYG editor from Office, because you can just hover mouse over toolbar buttons and you see what you get, and you dont need to press "Apply" or other buttons on dialog to get what you want.
I dont like the Ribbon menu, because if user learns only it, after it user feels that all other applications GUI's are different. And Ribbon menu does not work on all applications, so the menu is needed to be intact. This way Microsoft broke the whole GUI on Windows, same thing what Nero does when you put new user to use it. It is just so damn dificult to burn a CD because the GUI is too different from other part of the system!
I personally love the new Office. Most people saw the new "ribbon" interface and just dismissed it. I did as well until I started to use it. I'm not an Office power user, so I never knew what options were under three deep menus, a popup box, and an advanced tab. I like the old menu structure, because I can find fast what I want. The menu style was never problem for me, because I always check new software menus trought that I know what I have.
It is very important that menu option says right away what it do when you read/see it, so when you look trought and fast all menus, you get information what all kind things application can do. Then it's just up to your skills to use that knowledge what you have, to join two features to complete third.
Same thing goes on commandline usage, you need to know the commands what you give and what they do. So when you pipe them to do more complex works, example "history | grep command".
The new menu what Microsoft "invented" (implented from other applications, others than office products), tryes to replace workin toolbars and menus to one. It is design to be more WYSIWYG styled toolbar, what is actually good thing, but you dont need new menu for it, but it is easier just to do it so, than do it great way but harder, but in the end, good WYISYG functionality adds productivy when user do not need to know what the application can do and what not. User can just do the things, even mostly then the things what the user does, is limited for application what it actually can do, and not the limits what the user can image and actually do. So creativity is lost in the MS new menu design... But because most companies wants that all documents looks same, they do templates what are needed to use, so... it does not actually mean anything for power user, who would do the stuff anyway!
We should drop the "Distribution" too, we should just speak about operating systems, because example, debian and ubuntu are different operating systems. Because Distribution means same thing.
And Linux is complete OS already, so we should'nt be using GNU/Linux either, mayby if Linux would be a micro kernel.
(just questioning, do not flame as troll, because I'm seriously now but not trolling).
Linux is free, and ubuntu is semi-free. Ubuntu includes closed source drivers... but I know you didn't speak about the freedom as speech, but as beer. Ubuntu is free because it's Linux distribution but freedom has nothing to do with quolity, it's the whole system what company/community builds and with what merits.
So, it's not about price, it's not about freedom, it is question about skills...
I dont know about Linus but many coder, do not care, they just want working thing for customers, and they talk behalf of the customers that customers do not care about GPL or freedom.
I think that is in long run very stupid attitude, it is like shooting to a own leg.
You are right, it shouldn't be such problem to check your commercial (doesn't hotmail have commercial version too?) email system with those five browser what you have? IE, Firefox, Safari (Webkit), Konqueror (KHTML) and Opera....
Mayby it's just so that Microsoft does not have enough money to buy machines what would run those... wait... all runs on normal PC.. so mayby it's just that they cant install GNU/Linux for test machines... wait... all exept Konqueror works on Windows. So mayby it's just so the UAC is warning about the browser install and they are afraid to install those because they can include malware, what would allow crackers to get inside of Microsoft intranet.
Even if the nicest guy pretend to be a selfassured and a prosperous, but stays nice and well-mannered same time, it's better combination than being just "bad". Every one need to build own "shield", as "fake me" who they pretend to be. Just "bad boys" do it wrong and goes too deep on this pretending, actually hurting them self in long run.
"Nice guys" usually just trust that someone sees them, but they need to step out of the afraighten state and just being "strong" one... act more like a alpha male, but not being jerk.
Like the saying goes: "It's a nice to be important, but it's important to be a nice"
Why didn't you put a Firefox logo on the cake? That's the object of the celebration. They did bake there IE logo because this way they get free commercial time on the news when bloggers and others are showing photos from the cake and they see IE logo and not the Firefox:-)
"Lobbying includes all attempts to influence legislators and officials, whether by other legislators, constituents or organized groups.". Actually that is bretty tensile explanation, because if I am good democratic citizen, I would call to my representantive or meet him and disguss about things. It does not make me as lobby-citizen if I like to inform them what is my opinion about the case.
Other way, everyone would be lobbying everyone and everything when they talk here. Like you are lobbying be because you want to influence my opinion what "lobbying" means.
That's true that someone can bribe other person with material or power and not just money, you can offer restaurant lunch or holiday trip or discount from stuff from your shop if "target" buys something from there. So that's not lobbying, even it can include it sometimes.
So I dont take normal discussion, information sharing, or conversation as lobbying. But if I get paid from organisation or group for what I talk and I try to affect things by someones other's benefits, that is lobbyism. Single person can not do that alone, it's just pure democratic action.
Yes, two hours and washing machine is just too much. I like to wash my car by hands in 15min or drive it to service station where it takes 10min to wash and wax my car.
If the fabric change would take less than 15min, it would be nice, but still I would need extra pair on trunk so I can change it on road if needed. Good is it does not take so much space;-)
So then we can disregard USA and many other country because they are countries what rapes freedom and free will.... No wait... you are trying to be funny or then just a stupid...
Since the protest is not submitted by Dansk Standard (who holds the official ISO vote) but is in fact from a local lobby organization, the vote can not be considered "official" in any way. And it is important to note in this context, that the official Danish vote is still "Yes". Can you please explain what OSL has paid to goverment or any other organisation, etc... so they are lobby organization? Have they paid hundreds of thousands or millions to someone to get their mind turned what OSL wants?
I would like to know how much new car "skin" would pay when you need to replace it every 1000km when sharp stone hits it and makes small hole what will expand in time.
Or what you do when it gets dirty? You take it off and put it washing machine with other your laundry?
I have sprayed factor on my car. It cost 500 euros but it is needed to do only every fourth year. It takes one day to get done, you drive your car to workshop, they wash car, wax it and then sprays the factor on it. After that, it can take hits from rocks or even knive. It protects the paint from bretty hard hits and it's totally transparent so it does not change the car look. After it's protecting paint, washing and everything else is much easier when the dirt does not get in the metal itself. It protects from rust too!
My car has stoled few times and last time someone tryed to get inside with screwdriver, he (or she) placed it to right door lock and hit inside with hammer. Few times the screwdriver slipped to paint and left bretty bad markins on it. I just needed to take cloath and polish that part and all marks were gone.
And now, even that looks very nice, it wouldn't be nice to see that one day you walk to your car and someone has opened your can with knive like tin can and stoled every part what is possible.
But hey, it's BMW and that car is meant to people who has enough money to have security on their parking lot or garage and they never leave car to place where normal people can get hands on it, so no street parking for lounch etc;-)
I would understand that new materials would started to use in massproduction, like fibreclass or other what cant be set on fire, but so cheap that changing your car's "skin" does not mean 1/10th price of your car or it wouldn't cost much in ecological meaning.
If Linux is just a kernel, but synonym for the OS and whole system what comes in distributions, why it's so wrong to use GNU/Linux from OS, when it's the tech specification from it? Should we start talking like browser or music player IS the PART of the OS? Linux is synonym for much greater amount of stuff than kernel or OS. GNU/Linux is for tech people and last time I checked, that Slashdot was for tech people, now it has gone down in few years when most writers try to get "+5 Funny".
If you live on country what does not know what OS is, it might be true. But on Finland, many non-tech people knows what is the Linux, the OS and the complete System, and how it is development and how it is commercialized (distributions) for normal users.
Why you should have all possible options and possibilities on Tools > Options? Why we cant keep the browser itself small and add those features as addons, even the old features what are OLD features. At least you can have the old feature with add-on, and you dont need to take source code and start coding to get it...
- New versions force you to use new features without providing functionality to back it out even when the user wants it. Eg. The new supercoolsearchbar garbage. I don't want my browser looking though my bookmarks when I type a URL but I don't mind it searching history that clears itself regularly. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6227
Or type to addressbar about:config and search "browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped" and set it as "true"
because you have searchbox on browser (firefox etc) main toolbar, where you get when you type ctrl+K and you can type there what you search.
If you use konqueror, go to set konqueror shortcuts and you can get those CLI commands to addressbar where you get always with ctrl+L or you can use "run" window on KDE and GNOME by pressing Alt+F2 and type there what ever you need, address, application, calculations, emails, files, search index... just name it.
You dont need to go first to google site to search something from it.
Mozilla Firefox already has much bigger market share on many countries. Ex. on Finland is over 40% and most ITC sites report Mozilla is over 50% market share owning browser. Many other EU country has over 30-40% market share and looks like only few big country has lower than those and where IE still dominates.
Then stop using "Open Source" and start using "Free Software" and do not mention that "Free" means "Free as speech" and not "Free as beer", when ever you talk with persons who are money-slaves. Let them think that they get software for free and they dont need to pay for it. Then let the lawyers to take care of GPL and other people to understand they are actually using OSS.
Bosses and other persons who makes the decisions, dont need to know those, because they are so afraid that "Open Source" force them to publish their treasure. They are like pirates, you need to trick them. They are greedy, you need to give them to think they have control for everything.
"OS developers are not idiots - they KNOW that they are working for free (simplification, I know, there are exceptions, but it's not important now) and they wouldn't be if they didn't want to. If they do - that means they're just fine with that."
All coders who gives their time and efforts to different projects, was it then a distribution, Operating System or just single application, they know they do it for free, but they do know that when they do it for free, they actually pay to themself and all other users about that, they can be free (free as freedom, not as price) from lock-ons.
And this is what Microsoft fears at most, that they loose lock-in and their client becomes free of Microsoft's power. Then Microsoft cant use their tactics against world, like UK couldn't use their tactics against Ghandi.
"Oh, and note that the guy is speaking "open source" - but there's no word of "free software", that makes up quite a bit of Open Source and explains all the aspects of getting paid very well."
Yes, spokeman really missed the "Free Software" point. Microsoft has few Open Source projects, but how many Free Software projects Microsoft has?
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Actually, Microsoft redesigned the menu, not the toolbar. IE7 and WMP10 has toolbars, but the menu is hided and you can get it showed when you press alt. Microsoft removed menu, and joined it functionality to toolbar, so you only see a toolbar. This way Microsoft got better WYSIWYG editor from Office, because you can just hover mouse over toolbar buttons and you see what you get, and you dont need to press "Apply" or other buttons on dialog to get what you want.
I dont like the Ribbon menu, because if user learns only it, after it user feels that all other applications GUI's are different. And Ribbon menu does not work on all applications, so the menu is needed to be intact. This way Microsoft broke the whole GUI on Windows, same thing what Nero does when you put new user to use it. It is just so damn dificult to burn a CD because the GUI is too different from other part of the system!
It is very important that menu option says right away what it do when you read/see it, so when you look trought and fast all menus, you get information what all kind things application can do. Then it's just up to your skills to use that knowledge what you have, to join two features to complete third.
Same thing goes on commandline usage, you need to know the commands what you give and what they do. So when you pipe them to do more complex works, example "history | grep command".
The new menu what Microsoft "invented" (implented from other applications, others than office products), tryes to replace workin toolbars and menus to one. It is design to be more WYSIWYG styled toolbar, what is actually good thing, but you dont need new menu for it, but it is easier just to do it so, than do it great way but harder, but in the end, good WYISYG functionality adds productivy when user do not need to know what the application can do and what not. User can just do the things, even mostly then the things what the user does, is limited for application what it actually can do, and not the limits what the user can image and actually do. So creativity is lost in the MS new menu design... But because most companies wants that all documents looks same, they do templates what are needed to use, so... it does not actually mean anything for power user, who would do the stuff anyway!
We should drop the "Distribution" too, we should just speak about operating systems, because example, debian and ubuntu are different operating systems. Because Distribution means same thing.
And Linux is complete OS already, so we should'nt be using GNU/Linux either, mayby if Linux would be a micro kernel.
(just questioning, do not flame as troll, because I'm seriously now but not trolling).
Linux is free, and ubuntu is semi-free. Ubuntu includes closed source drivers... but I know you didn't speak about the freedom as speech, but as beer. Ubuntu is free because it's Linux distribution but freedom has nothing to do with quolity, it's the whole system what company/community builds and with what merits.
So, it's not about price, it's not about freedom, it is question about skills...
I dont know about Linus but many coder, do not care, they just want working thing for customers, and they talk behalf of the customers that customers do not care about GPL or freedom.
I think that is in long run very stupid attitude, it is like shooting to a own leg.
You are not allowing speaking truth by facts. It's not about bashing Microsoft, it's about truth...
If I bash Microsoft, I say it's middle class software company what has no future...
You are right, it shouldn't be such problem to check your commercial (doesn't hotmail have commercial version too?) email system with those five browser what you have? IE, Firefox, Safari (Webkit), Konqueror (KHTML) and Opera....
Mayby it's just so that Microsoft does not have enough money to buy machines what would run those... wait... all runs on normal PC.. so mayby it's just that they cant install GNU/Linux for test machines... wait... all exept Konqueror works on Windows. So mayby it's just so the UAC is warning about the browser install and they are afraid to install those because they can include malware, what would allow crackers to get inside of Microsoft intranet.
It's not about Bad vs Nice (or Evil vs Good).
Even if the nicest guy pretend to be a selfassured and a prosperous, but stays nice and well-mannered same time, it's better combination than being just "bad". Every one need to build own "shield", as "fake me" who they pretend to be. Just "bad boys" do it wrong and goes too deep on this pretending, actually hurting them self in long run.
"Nice guys" usually just trust that someone sees them, but they need to step out of the afraighten state and just being "strong" one... act more like a alpha male, but not being jerk.
Like the saying goes: "It's a nice to be important, but it's important to be a nice"
And same time Nokia release very low-budget commercial from non-exist phone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW3rAmwn3d4
Other way, everyone would be lobbying everyone and everything when they talk here. Like you are lobbying be because you want to influence my opinion what "lobbying" means.
That's true that someone can bribe other person with material or power and not just money, you can offer restaurant lunch or holiday trip or discount from stuff from your shop if "target" buys something from there. So that's not lobbying, even it can include it sometimes.
So I dont take normal discussion, information sharing, or conversation as lobbying. But if I get paid from organisation or group for what I talk and I try to affect things by someones other's benefits, that is lobbyism. Single person can not do that alone, it's just pure democratic action.
Yes, two hours and washing machine is just too much. I like to wash my car by hands in 15min or drive it to service station where it takes 10min to wash and wax my car.
;-)
If the fabric change would take less than 15min, it would be nice, but still I would need extra pair on trunk so I can change it on road if needed. Good is it does not take so much space
So then we can disregard USA and many other country because they are countries what rapes freedom and free will.... No wait... you are trying to be funny or then just a stupid...
I would like to know how much new car "skin" would pay when you need to replace it every 1000km when sharp stone hits it and makes small hole what will expand in time.
;-)
Or what you do when it gets dirty? You take it off and put it washing machine with other your laundry?
I have sprayed factor on my car. It cost 500 euros but it is needed to do only every fourth year. It takes one day to get done, you drive your car to workshop, they wash car, wax it and then sprays the factor on it. After that, it can take hits from rocks or even knive. It protects the paint from bretty hard hits and it's totally transparent so it does not change the car look. After it's protecting paint, washing and everything else is much easier when the dirt does not get in the metal itself. It protects from rust too!
My car has stoled few times and last time someone tryed to get inside with screwdriver, he (or she) placed it to right door lock and hit inside with hammer. Few times the screwdriver slipped to paint and left bretty bad markins on it. I just needed to take cloath and polish that part and all marks were gone.
And now, even that looks very nice, it wouldn't be nice to see that one day you walk to your car and someone has opened your can with knive like tin can and stoled every part what is possible.
But hey, it's BMW and that car is meant to people who has enough money to have security on their parking lot or garage and they never leave car to place where normal people can get hands on it, so no street parking for lounch etc
I would understand that new materials would started to use in massproduction, like fibreclass or other what cant be set on fire, but so cheap that changing your car's "skin" does not mean 1/10th price of your car or it wouldn't cost much in ecological meaning.
If Linux is just a kernel, but synonym for the OS and whole system what comes in distributions, why it's so wrong to use GNU/Linux from OS, when it's the tech specification from it? Should we start talking like browser or music player IS the PART of the OS? Linux is synonym for much greater amount of stuff than kernel or OS. GNU/Linux is for tech people and last time I checked, that Slashdot was for tech people, now it has gone down in few years when most writers try to get "+5 Funny".
If you live on country what does not know what OS is, it might be true. But on Finland, many non-tech people knows what is the Linux, the OS and the complete System, and how it is development and how it is commercialized (distributions) for normal users.
Why you should have all possible options and possibilities on Tools > Options? Why we cant keep the browser itself small and add those features as addons, even the old features what are OLD features. At least you can have the old feature with add-on, and you dont need to take source code and start coding to get it...
Or type to addressbar about:config and search "browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped" and set it as "true"
Why to spend money to treat effects when you could prevent cause in first place using SELinux or AppArmor (those kind technics are for Windows too)?
because you have searchbox on browser (firefox etc) main toolbar, where you get when you type ctrl+K and you can type there what you search.
If you use konqueror, go to set konqueror shortcuts and you can get those CLI commands to addressbar where you get always with ctrl+L or you can use "run" window on KDE and GNOME by pressing Alt+F2 and type there what ever you need, address, application, calculations, emails, files, search index... just name it.
You dont need to go first to google site to search something from it.
Mozilla Firefox already has much bigger market share on many countries. Ex. on Finland is over 40% and most ITC sites report Mozilla is over 50% market share owning browser. Many other EU country has over 30-40% market share and looks like only few big country has lower than those and where IE still dominates.
"OSS is often a dirty word."
Then stop using "Open Source" and start using "Free Software" and do not mention that "Free" means "Free as speech" and not "Free as beer", when ever you talk with persons who are money-slaves. Let them think that they get software for free and they dont need to pay for it. Then let the lawyers to take care of GPL and other people to understand they are actually using OSS.
Bosses and other persons who makes the decisions, dont need to know those, because they are so afraid that "Open Source" force them to publish their treasure. They are like pirates, you need to trick them. They are greedy, you need to give them to think they have control for everything.
They will learn actually...
"OS developers are not idiots - they KNOW that they are working for free (simplification, I know, there are exceptions, but it's not important now) and they wouldn't be if they didn't want to. If they do - that means they're just fine with that."
All coders who gives their time and efforts to different projects, was it then a distribution, Operating System or just single application, they know they do it for free, but they do know that when they do it for free, they actually pay to themself and all other users about that, they can be free (free as freedom, not as price) from lock-ons.
And this is what Microsoft fears at most, that they loose lock-in and their client becomes free of Microsoft's power. Then Microsoft cant use their tactics against world, like UK couldn't use their tactics against Ghandi.
"Oh, and note that the guy is speaking "open source" - but there's no word of "free software", that makes up quite a bit of Open Source and explains all the aspects of getting paid very well."
Yes, spokeman really missed the "Free Software" point. Microsoft has few Open Source projects, but how many Free Software projects Microsoft has?
Did you miss the dot after "KDE 4.1"? ;-)