Their access to most other social and communication platforms (bot US and other Asian like LINE, for example) is blocked.
This is typical example of arrogant commentators brainwashed by Western media.
Chinese have for long long time free accessed to MSN, Skype, Yahoo Messenger, etc. But those apps still can't compete QQ and WeChat, because foreigner apps don't really understand the Chinese culture. (MSN managed to cringe on the 3rd place mostly due to Windows monopoly.)
There is no new lesson here. If you become Too Big, then nobody, not the US government, not the Chinese government, and not even Apple Inc, can dare to kill you, because whoever try would create huge trouble and mess for themselves. In fact, those other entities would have to come rescue you in case you are in trouble -- check out the banks circa 2008.
Except that Trump is not the one inventing this scheme.
# anytime you want to rattle the American public, blame China # anytime you want to push expensive budget, invoke China # anytime you want to get away from being blame, point your finger to China
Defenders of IP? Seriously. Can you explain the rampant piracy.
Because the Chinese market (still) is dominant by huge number of small and tiny businesses, whereas the US is dominant by big businesses like Walmart. There are no effective ways to enforce millions of small poor targets whereas big corps are big and worth-while targets for the lawyers. On the other hand, try start a local store in the US to see how hard it becomes to compete against the mega store chain. Same for quality control problem
Secondary, it is a matter of stage of economic development. It's like every one has to go through trouble-making teenage. It is unrealistic (and probably not fair, because else they would be crushed by IP tolls imposed by foreign corps and would remain poor) to have developing economies following rules set by developed ones.
Defenders of global markets and free trade? Can you say state run/controller businesses, slave labor and currency devaluation.
Why have state-run/controlled businesses become a competitive edge? Those are known as the iron rice bowls in China. China actually tried to privatize their state-own companies but met great resistance because that would cause massive unemployment.
Slave labor? 1) It came off a very very low base; 2) There are 5x laborers in China and than in the US and so wage as well as working conditions have to suffer; 3) it has been risen exponentially for last many decades; 4) people in China are not forced to work, defying the very definition of slavery like that in the 18th century US.
Currency devaluation? 1) for most of the last 4 decades, the Chinese government are restricting people from buying USD; 2) the black market had a lower valuation for Yuan before the mid-1990s eventually forcing the government to re-evaluate the currency to the black market rate; 3) we should thank the Chinese government for popping up up Yuan, else it would have the exchange rate of Koran won or Japanese yen.
I've been to Hong Kong, full of pirate goods there as well. And I told you the same applied to the USA. The USA had stolen/copied much of its textile tech from the UK. Before that the West had stolen silk making tech from China. This is a guilt that every country has committed. After they developed, they then become patent trolls. I guess people in KH are too naive to know what "patent trolls" are.
I dealt with a Hong Kong company which makes a women underware brand (Meizi); they make good products and sell very well in China. Then they want to sell in the US. I told there is not a chance because the American culture will not accept a brand from Hong Kong.
What I don't understand is that why many young Hong Kongers hate mainland China so much. I think they looked down at mainlanders before because China was very poor and now become envious because (the developed part of) China already surpass HK. But study the history of Hong Kong, without trading with China, Hong Kongers would be eating shits now (or their parents would not migrate to Hong Kong from China.)
And what about democracy? What a joke. LOL you want HK and China to become India, Mexico, Brazil, or the USA? Remember China has 1.3 billion people and it pulled itself out of poverty in 50 years.
While many on/., including me, do engineering because we are geeky and love the challenge, that's not the case for average people. For average people, programming or tinkering with computers are boring and stressful jobs. They might choose to do it because the field has brighter employment future. That's why Americans don't want to take up the jobs. Even in China, the newer generation would avoid engineering and opt for finance or entertainment, because as the newer generations grow up a richer economy and so no longer under stress for survival.
Once you have a lot of people entering the fields, there will also be sufficient number of good practitioners produced.
So if the employment prospects of other fields are dimmer, Americans will rush back into engineering. They already started the shift, witnessing all the talks about computer science classes for kiddies.
Another omission pointed out in this Hongkong news pager, translation: the location, while international water, are within the "economic zone" of China; the international law said the owning country has the right to manage commercial activities but does not really say if military survey is allowed. So US takes use of this loophole while China can claim they don't know if it is commercial or military until it retrieved and examined the object.
After all, this is just extension of the SCS game of words in order to fool each country's (American and Chinese) citizens to support their respective government and spend more money on the military industry complex.
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Except that China did agree to arbitration.
Citation needed. No, they have never sent any official delegate (see my quora link) and their official spokesman had repeated many times that they were not participating.
An arbitration panel is a form of judgement forum, not a court. A court is something you have to follow but arbitration is not unless you agreed to beforehand; that's why you signed contracts agreeing to arbitration but never a contract agreeing to court ruling.
Citation needed. No, they have never sent any official delegate (see my quora link) and their official spokesman had repeated many times that they were not participating.
An arbitration panel is a form of judgement forum, not a court. A court is something you have to follow but arbitration is not unless you agreed to beforehand; that's why you signed contracts agreeing to arbitration but never a contract agreeing to court ruling.
Except that's not a real international court, something you are usually not told by the West media. It is a basically an arbitration panel paid for by Philippine (who now falls to China.) Guess how will such a panel rule. you don't abide to arbitration ruling unless you first agree to; and China never did agree to abide such arbitration.
Difference is that there isn't an island an no one recognizes their claim.
That's what you have been told, just like you were told Iraq had WMD.
1) the interpretation "island" comes down to who pays the "judge"; (for example, one of Taiwan's claim -- a very big island, forgot the name -- was ruled non-island since the ruling party earlier this year was KMT who is more pro-China;
2) The initial claims are not made up by the PRC; they were made up by the ROC (the Taiwanese government) when they still ruled China after WW2 and those claims were agreed to in international treaty signed by US, Russia, UK and nobody has made much a big deal until now. Why now? Because China is becoming the biggest economic competitor of the US. (Back when China was a backward communist country, we betrayed Taiwan and befriended with China, OK'd with their claims and opened our market, just so we could partner with them to fight the Soviet.)
If you read the Chinese news report, the statement says it "seize the unknown object because it posed safety concern to the passing sea traffic". Of course, it is an excuse. But given we use the excuse of "freedom of navigation" to intrude within the 12 nm of their claimed island, it is a fair game.
The parent claimed this is propaganda because it violates the principle that LEO altitude has no air for an air-breathing scramjet engine. But he's apparently trolling since the engine could be a serial combination of the different ones in a neat way; or it could have a separate rocket engine; or whatever, but nobody claimed its scramjet mode operate all the way to LEO.
Read TFA again. Nobody claimed it would go to LEO on scramjet
Chinese combined cycle engines like this blueprint would be paired with a scramjet (presumably via changing the ramjet) and a separate rocket motor to create a hypersonic space plane.
the Chinese see that as attempts from western colonizers to control, and humiliate China... Again, they don't realize we've moved on from colonization, and we're happy to be partners with them
And how do you know if that (to control or colonize) is not true? Do you work for the CIA?
Look around the world, the only real competitor to the US (and its puppet Western allies) is China. Just think about that if one day Chinese Yuan succeeds becoming a real competitor to the USD and that most other countries are willing to trade everything include petroleum in RMB and accumulate RMBs as reserved, we would be much more like Greece. And all our allies would become theirs.
That's why we care about their political suppression so much. If China is irrelevant, we would care them as much as we care about Zimbabwe. If we truly want them to be our partner, we would care as much as we care about those same issues in Saudi Arabia or now Vietnam. (We did, back in 1970s, but not now. See below.)
it's foolish for China to try to force Taiwan to join them (the Taiwanese don't trust China
Yeah, Taiwan should forget that we betrayed them back in the 1970s when we made China, along with Afgan and bin Laden, allies to fight the Soviets, and start trusting us again, so they can be our puppet too.
But what if it were actually the Chinese who made First Contact? What if the aliens end up being forced to work in factories, making shoes up to 18 hours a day?
Then the American government will cite it as another evidence in its annual Human Right Report and promptly deport those aliens to Mexico.
So was the US in the 19th and early 20th centuries too. I guess all those American companies filing patent infringement lawsuits are jokes too, until they won and collected their money rightful or not.
Because this seems more political than business related.
These patent infringement lawsuits, real inventions or fluffs, have been filed by huge amount by US companies or trolls, against many companies including Samsung. And Samsung have filed similar lawsuits against others. So why is a Chinese company copying the same practice only for "political" and not for money? Don't you know all companies and people want money, just like it is in the US? Have you been travel to China to take a look? China is not North Korea.
somewhere the vast colossus of state security, a light will flash and a klaxon will go off, and very serious men will appear at your doorstep and you won't be seen again
What first hand stories do you have to support this?
As someone grew up in China in the 80's, we listened to Voice of America for 10 years and not a single serious man or woman ever appeared at our doorstep. What you said would be true in the Cultural Revolution period in the 70's, and I have first hand story too: when I, as a 5 year old, tried to fold a piece newspaper into a boat, my sister who was 5 years older stopped me because there was a picture of Chairman Mao.
Today, I also have friend there doing VPN every day for years and he's moving around freely still.
No, they don't care the shit what an individual sees or says. They care what the mass see or say in some cases.
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... to launch another Iraq War on fake accusation. Look, IP address is such an indisputable evidence!
There is also a social psychology need to not fulfill every "really" logically necessary need. Get on with the real world.
Their access to most other social and communication platforms (bot US and other Asian like LINE, for example) is blocked.
This is typical example of arrogant commentators brainwashed by Western media.
Chinese have for long long time free accessed to MSN, Skype, Yahoo Messenger, etc. But those apps still can't compete QQ and WeChat, because foreigner apps don't really understand the Chinese culture. (MSN managed to cringe on the 3rd place mostly due to Windows monopoly.)
There is no new lesson here. If you become Too Big, then nobody, not the US government, not the Chinese government, and not even Apple Inc, can dare to kill you, because whoever try would create huge trouble and mess for themselves. In fact, those other entities would have to come rescue you in case you are in trouble -- check out the banks circa 2008.
That's why everybody want to be too big to fail.
Except that Trump is not the one inventing this scheme.
# anytime you want to rattle the American public, blame China
# anytime you want to push expensive budget, invoke China
# anytime you want to get away from being blame, point your finger to China
Defenders of IP? Seriously. Can you explain the rampant piracy.
Because the Chinese market (still) is dominant by huge number of small and tiny businesses, whereas the US is dominant by big businesses like Walmart. There are no effective ways to enforce millions of small poor targets whereas big corps are big and worth-while targets for the lawyers. On the other hand, try start a local store in the US to see how hard it becomes to compete against the mega store chain. Same for quality control problem
Secondary, it is a matter of stage of economic development. It's like every one has to go through trouble-making teenage. It is unrealistic (and probably not fair, because else they would be crushed by IP tolls imposed by foreign corps and would remain poor) to have developing economies following rules set by developed ones.
Defenders of global markets and free trade? Can you say state run/controller businesses, slave labor and currency devaluation.
Why have state-run/controlled businesses become a competitive edge? Those are known as the iron rice bowls in China. China actually tried to privatize their state-own companies but met great resistance because that would cause massive unemployment.
Slave labor? 1) It came off a very very low base; 2) There are 5x laborers in China and than in the US and so wage as well as working conditions have to suffer; 3) it has been risen exponentially for last many decades; 4) people in China are not forced to work, defying the very definition of slavery like that in the 18th century US.
Currency devaluation? 1) for most of the last 4 decades, the Chinese government are restricting people from buying USD; 2) the black market had a lower valuation for Yuan before the mid-1990s eventually forcing the government to re-evaluate the currency to the black market rate; 3) we should thank the Chinese government for popping up up Yuan, else it would have the exchange rate of Koran won or Japanese yen.
I've been to Hong Kong, full of pirate goods there as well. And I told you the same applied to the USA. The USA had stolen/copied much of its textile tech from the UK. Before that the West had stolen silk making tech from China. This is a guilt that every country has committed. After they developed, they then become patent trolls. I guess people in KH are too naive to know what "patent trolls" are.
I dealt with a Hong Kong company which makes a women underware brand (Meizi); they make good products and sell very well in China. Then they want to sell in the US. I told there is not a chance because the American culture will not accept a brand from Hong Kong.
What I don't understand is that why many young Hong Kongers hate mainland China so much. I think they looked down at mainlanders before because China was very poor and now become envious because (the developed part of) China already surpass HK. But study the history of Hong Kong, without trading with China, Hong Kongers would be eating shits now (or their parents would not migrate to Hong Kong from China.)
And what about democracy? What a joke. LOL you want HK and China to become India, Mexico, Brazil, or the USA? Remember China has 1.3 billion people and it pulled itself out of poverty in 50 years.
While many on /., including me, do engineering because we are geeky and love the challenge, that's not the case for average people. For average people, programming or tinkering with computers are boring and stressful jobs. They might choose to do it because the field has brighter employment future. That's why Americans don't want to take up the jobs. Even in China, the newer generation would avoid engineering and opt for finance or entertainment, because as the newer generations grow up a richer economy and so no longer under stress for survival.
Once you have a lot of people entering the fields, there will also be sufficient number of good practitioners produced.
So if the employment prospects of other fields are dimmer, Americans will rush back into engineering. They already started the shift, witnessing all the talks about computer science classes for kiddies.
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Another omission pointed out in this Hongkong news pager, translation: the location, while international water, are within the "economic zone" of China; the international law said the owning country has the right to manage commercial activities but does not really say if military survey is allowed. So US takes use of this loophole while China can claim they don't know if it is commercial or military until it retrieved and examined the object.
After all, this is just extension of the SCS game of words in order to fool each country's (American and Chinese) citizens to support their respective government and spend more money on the military industry complex.
[editing error in previous comment; here it is again]
Except that China did agree to arbitration.
Citation needed. No, they have never sent any official delegate (see my quora link) and their official spokesman had repeated many times that they were not participating.
An arbitration panel is a form of judgement forum, not a court. A court is something you have to follow but arbitration is not unless you agreed to beforehand; that's why you signed contracts agreeing to arbitration but never a contract agreeing to court ruling.
Except that China did agree to arbitration.
Citation needed. No, they have never sent any official delegate (see my quora link) and their official spokesman had repeated many times that they were not participating.
An arbitration panel is a form of judgement forum, not a court. A court is something you have to follow but arbitration is not unless you agreed to beforehand; that's why you signed contracts agreeing to arbitration but never a contract agreeing to court ruling.
That's what the courts told China.
Except that's not a real international court, something you are usually not told by the West media. It is a basically an arbitration panel paid for by Philippine (who now falls to China.) Guess how will such a panel rule. you don't abide to arbitration ruling unless you first agree to; and China never did agree to abide such arbitration.
So is "traffic safety concern" a long time principle, no?
That's what principles are good for -- excuses.
Nobody would use morally/politically cause as excuse.
Difference is that there isn't an island an no one recognizes their claim.
That's what you have been told, just like you were told Iraq had WMD.
1) the interpretation "island" comes down to who pays the "judge"; (for example, one of Taiwan's claim -- a very big island, forgot the name -- was ruled non-island since the ruling party earlier this year was KMT who is more pro-China;
2) The initial claims are not made up by the PRC; they were made up by the ROC (the Taiwanese government) when they still ruled China after WW2 and those claims were agreed to in international treaty signed by US, Russia, UK and nobody has made much a big deal until now. Why now? Because China is becoming the biggest economic competitor of the US. (Back when China was a backward communist country, we betrayed Taiwan and befriended with China, OK'd with their claims and opened our market, just so we could partner with them to fight the Soviet.)
If you read the Chinese news report, the statement says it "seize the unknown object because it posed safety concern to the passing sea traffic". Of course, it is an excuse. But given we use the excuse of "freedom of navigation" to intrude within the 12 nm of their claimed island, it is a fair game.
Zero chance.
The US bombed their embassy (on the claimed of "bad map") and there has not been a war. China probably just had a bad map too.
Besides, do you still remember how the Iraq War, Vietnam War and the Korea War ended up like?
You do know that China simply steals or buys its way into a lot of technological progress, right?
and You do know that the USA simply stole or bought its way into a lot of technological progress too, right?
The parent claimed this is propaganda because it violates the principle that LEO altitude has no air for an air-breathing scramjet engine. But he's apparently trolling since the engine could be a serial combination of the different ones in a neat way; or it could have a separate rocket engine; or whatever, but nobody claimed its scramjet mode operate all the way to LEO.
Read TFA again. Nobody claimed it would go to LEO on scramjet
Chinese combined cycle engines like this blueprint would be paired with a scramjet (presumably via changing the ramjet) and a separate rocket motor to create a hypersonic space plane.
the Chinese see that as attempts from western colonizers to control, and humiliate China... Again, they don't realize we've moved on from colonization, and we're happy to be partners with them
And how do you know if that (to control or colonize) is not true? Do you work for the CIA?
Look around the world, the only real competitor to the US (and its puppet Western allies) is China. Just think about that if one day Chinese Yuan succeeds becoming a real competitor to the USD and that most other countries are willing to trade everything include petroleum in RMB and accumulate RMBs as reserved, we would be much more like Greece. And all our allies would become theirs.
That's why we care about their political suppression so much. If China is irrelevant, we would care them as much as we care about Zimbabwe. If we truly want them to be our partner, we would care as much as we care about those same issues in Saudi Arabia or now Vietnam. (We did, back in 1970s, but not now. See below.)
it's foolish for China to try to force Taiwan to join them (the Taiwanese don't trust China
Yeah, Taiwan should forget that we betrayed them back in the 1970s when we made China, along with Afgan and bin Laden, allies to fight the Soviets, and start trusting us again, so they can be our puppet too.
But what if it were actually the Chinese who made First Contact? What if the aliens end up being forced to work in factories, making shoes up to 18 hours a day?
Then the American government will cite it as another evidence in its annual Human Right Report and promptly deport those aliens to Mexico.
So was the US in the 19th and early 20th centuries too. I guess all those American companies filing patent infringement lawsuits are jokes too, until they won and collected their money rightful or not.
Because this seems more political than business related.
These patent infringement lawsuits, real inventions or fluffs, have been filed by huge amount by US companies or trolls, against many companies including Samsung. And Samsung have filed similar lawsuits against others. So why is a Chinese company copying the same practice only for "political" and not for money? Don't you know all companies and people want money, just like it is in the US? Have you been travel to China to take a look? China is not North Korea.
somewhere the vast colossus of state security, a light will flash and a klaxon will go off, and very serious men will appear at your doorstep and you won't be seen again
What first hand stories do you have to support this?
As someone grew up in China in the 80's, we listened to Voice of America for 10 years and not a single serious man or woman ever appeared at our doorstep. What you said would be true in the Cultural Revolution period in the 70's, and I have first hand story too: when I, as a 5 year old, tried to fold a piece newspaper into a boat, my sister who was 5 years older stopped me because there was a picture of Chairman Mao.
Today, I also have friend there doing VPN every day for years and he's moving around freely still.
No, they don't care the shit what an individual sees or says. They care what the mass see or say in some cases.