Unless one is under threats, each party involved in any deal can make any demand and the other parties can walk away if he doesn't like it. If these American companies don't like transferring IPs, then they can walk away. Just like a Chinese company should not deal with the US if it doesn't want to obey the (questionably erected) Iran sanction. (In practice, most companies may transfer some assembling IP over to the Chinese entities while retaining the most valuable components/tech; which is why much of the Chinese surplus in manufacturing are actually just transferring costs of components they purchased from abroad. Chinese usually just do the last step of assembling. There is likely little IP forced to be transferred.)
Then you all know that how silly the US patent system has become. US companies have become patent trolls filing massive number of garbage patents over the year. How would a newcomer such as China can ever have a fair competing ground in such a skewed IP ecosystem? Why don't people in tech complain about the US patent system in other context but never when it involves China?
Because once the application are written to one flavor of SQL and the large amount data stored into that database, it is prohibitively expensive and disruptive to migrate out, so the vendor has an upper-hand to the existing large paying customers (who typically have under-trained developers.) This strategy would only backfire in attracting future customers once the stories spread out.
unless we're a bit too distracted and/or time-constrained by our busy little lives.
What you said is theoretically true, but they have erected measures to making sure common people don't even notice the problems until it is too late:
1. making the laws extremely detailed and precise, so it becomes a complex mess of legalese; common people don't have a JD degree nor much spare times in their busy little lives to really understand what's going on.
2. everything they do is well packaged by specialists in political marketing, so every law they came up with has glorified title and slogan, yet the devils are hidden in the details
3. the above two would allow a clean lower civic servant workforce -- common people rarely need to pay a dime of bribery when getting a driver license or apply a government job, so common people will not experience corruption first hand. (Another important factor that enabling this is the government pension structure; government and public sector workers get much better pension comparing to social security benefit, so those workers will be less likely to corrupt; the cost is a mountain of pension debt accumulated over time as people live longer.)
4. hype up superficial issues like abortion, gay marriage, etc. to consume whatever political attention common people may have left in their little busy lives, so they don't pay attention to the real issues and they become much easier to be manipulated since those superficial issues are more emotionally charged
Overall, this raises the barrier to corrupt the government -- common people would not feel nor contribute much (except as voting tools) to corruption. Only the ultra rich and powerful corrupt the decision makers in the government and public sector.
He used the stick and him "generously" helping ZTE is the carrot, only now the new ZTE will behave - and be grateful to Trump for having been punished!
That's your biased wishful thinking perhaps. He may well backdown because China imposed tariff on American agriculture products, hurting his and Republican's support base.
So if the said project is a national secret, why would anyone without clearance joint?
If it is just regular research, then such an exchange is no different from any scientific exchanges. If it is not bounded by NDA and patents, any researcher can learn and use the knowledge however they want.
Maybe we should ask why the US failed to materialize that invisible cloak but the Chinese can.
I read Chinese news everyday. I do not recall the state media or social media there claim these four technologies were invented in China. They did claim there are numerous improvements to high-speed train such as laying high-speed tracks on hash terrain and that's likely true too.
Even the example cited in this story, I do not see that they were claiming the tech is invented in China. It is like nothing wrong that people would want to bring back rocket tech from the US even though (rudimentary form of) rocket was invented by Chinese.
Then they will just buy $60 billion worth of airplanes from Airbus. We just pissed off Europe not long ago. And they will import chicken feet and other farm products from somewhere else.
# under time constraint, given only a fraction of a second to exam a sample # have to process large amount of samples # excessive amount of details # tasked with subjects they are not dealt with often: recognizing the different types plants, different types of cells, etc.
In fact human beings likely make more silly mistakes than neural nets under those conditions.
Vietnam is now our puppet friend in the fight against our biggest rival China. The US will just need to cover up its ears like it does for Saudi Arabia
or more likely quietly forcing it to follow state directives
We do this in the US as well. We call it the Law, as passed by legislators bought by their donors. Same deal, but we have better packaging for you.
Following state directives does not mean it is bad either, for example, Chinese businesses now have to follow the labor and environment rules a lot stricter than a few years back due to public complains about these issues.
I'm the OP's author. They are developing both versions. The vertical take off one is to be launched in 2020 and the horizontal take off one by 2030. I made it clear in my original post as a side note. The English news article omitted the details.
There are many design and scaled models leaked on the Chinese web, like this, this, and this. Do not assume if you don't read Chinese and really know nothing about China.
its originally projected launch date which slipped almost two years.
Tiangong-1 was delivered on time but the launch was delayed by 3 months because the need to double check its Long March 2F rocket after a Long March 2C failed. Sure, you can nail against that (though the Long March rockets had and still have one of the highest success rate in the world) but it is not much the fault of the Tiangong-1.
Tiangong-2 was delayed by 2 years (*). That could be for any number of technical or non-technical reasons. How does that imply Tiangong-1 being a failure?
(*) the planned Tiangong-3 mission was merged with Tiangong-2, potentially saving lots of total development time and money.
You ignore that it was a test to determine the longevity of components.
When did careful testing become evidence of failures?
Months before official total failure they said they were done testing since it lasted longer than the two years expected... But ignore that it was in sleep mode and they dont have a replacement scheduled until.. 2023. Besides why would they stop collecting data if it still worked?
More bullshit. Read the wikipedia entry again. When did "stop working after 2 years of extended life" equal to failure?
Tiangong-1's follow up is Tiangong-2 which has been launched successfully. The full space station has been planned for 2020-2023 completion. Again why does it imply Tiangong-1 failure? You are implying the Apollo 11 mission being a failure since the US still can't send another man to the moon by 2017.
The space laboratory was supposed to become a symbol of China's ambitious bid to become a space superpower. After two years in space, Tiangong 1 started experiencing technical failure.
It seems another case that we would like to find any opportunity to derogate China, even when it is clearly a case of technical and quality achievement?
Wikipedia entry on this space station: Tiangong-1 was initially projected to be deorbited in 2013,[11] to be replaced over the following decade by the larger Tiangong-2 and Tiangong-3 modules,[12] but as of June 2016 it was still aloft, though in a decaying orbit.
The same can be said of this and this and this American projects.
I don't see any big problem there. I only see positive sign that China wants to recruit top-notch scientists to manage top-notch science projects regardless of one's nationality. I would be surprise if the US is this open.
And I also see their leadership want to advance China as a leader in scientific discovery, instead of going back to coal and blue-collar laboring. While the West continues to be skeptical and dismissive and eventually will become envious of of their progresses.
Can someone enlighten me with info about the throughput of this system of small high-speed capsules? A regular trains and airplanes transport large number of people at once, making them economically scalable.
If you actually know the history and current affair with Chinese RMB, then you should appreciate their currency manipulation. Because their currency "manipulation" is actually trying to pop up their currency; if not for that, RMB would have been worth as much as Japanese yen or South Korea won. How? For example, they impose restrictions this year so that it is now much harder to sell Yuan and move the assets out, after RMB has been down ~15% last year (from 6 RMB : 1 USD to 7 RMB to 1 USD.) As far as I can recall, that has been what the Chinese government attempted to do for the last 30 years. But for some strange reason, the entire world (esp. the US politicians) seem to accused them of attempting to lower the prices of their products in order to be competitive. They need currency stability, not currency competitiveness.
As for the evidences of "Chinese leadership's awsome planning", check out their massive high-speed train network which now also carries profits. And also super-computer, quantum communication satellites, etc.
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Unless one is under threats, each party involved in any deal can make any demand and the other parties can walk away if he doesn't like it. If these American companies don't like transferring IPs, then they can walk away. Just like a Chinese company should not deal with the US if it doesn't want to obey the (questionably erected) Iran sanction. (In practice, most companies may transfer some assembling IP over to the Chinese entities while retaining the most valuable components/tech; which is why much of the Chinese surplus in manufacturing are actually just transferring costs of components they purchased from abroad. Chinese usually just do the last step of assembling. There is likely little IP forced to be transferred.)
Then you all know that how silly the US patent system has become. US companies have become patent trolls filing massive number of garbage patents over the year. How would a newcomer such as China can ever have a fair competing ground in such a skewed IP ecosystem? Why don't people in tech complain about the US patent system in other context but never when it involves China?
Because once the application are written to one flavor of SQL and the large amount data stored into that database, it is prohibitively expensive and disruptive to migrate out, so the vendor has an upper-hand to the existing large paying customers (who typically have under-trained developers.) This strategy would only backfire in attracting future customers once the stories spread out.
Not sure how this news relates to China. But Oracle has a huge presence in China and earn a lot revenue from there. Don't get brainwashed by Western media.
unless we're a bit too distracted and/or time-constrained by our busy little lives.
What you said is theoretically true, but they have erected measures to making sure common people don't even notice the problems until it is too late:
Overall, this raises the barrier to corrupt the government -- common people would not feel nor contribute much (except as voting tools) to corruption. Only the ultra rich and powerful corrupt the decision makers in the government and public sector.
He used the stick and him "generously" helping ZTE is the carrot, only now the new ZTE will behave - and be grateful to Trump for having been punished!
That's your biased wishful thinking perhaps. He may well backdown because China imposed tariff on American agriculture products, hurting his and Republican's support base.
Making up excuse to punish ZTE in the first place. And now making up excuse to back down failing to get more from negotiation.
So if the said project is a national secret, why would anyone without clearance joint?
If it is just regular research, then such an exchange is no different from any scientific exchanges. If it is not bounded by NDA and patents, any researcher can learn and use the knowledge however they want.
Maybe we should ask why the US failed to materialize that invisible cloak but the Chinese can.
I read Chinese news everyday. I do not recall the state media or social media there claim these four technologies were invented in China. They did claim there are numerous improvements to high-speed train such as laying high-speed tracks on hash terrain and that's likely true too.
Even the example cited in this story, I do not see that they were claiming the tech is invented in China. It is like nothing wrong that people would want to bring back rocket tech from the US even though (rudimentary form of) rocket was invented by Chinese.
Where are the large scale evidence of this claim?
All I read here sounds more of China bashing?
Then they will just buy $60 billion worth of airplanes from Airbus. We just pissed off Europe not long ago. And they will import chicken feet and other farm products from somewhere else.
The US has been subsidizing agricultural products and export to China. Then China will also impose reciprocal tariff on US farm products.
... especially under any of the conditions below:
# under time constraint, given only a fraction of a second to exam a sample
# have to process large amount of samples
# excessive amount of details
# tasked with subjects they are not dealt with often: recognizing the different types plants, different types of cells, etc.
In fact human beings likely make more silly mistakes than neural nets under those conditions.
Vietnam is now our puppet friend in the fight against our biggest rival China. The US will just need to cover up its ears like it does for Saudi Arabia
or more likely quietly forcing it to follow state directives
We do this in the US as well. We call it the Law, as passed by legislators bought by their donors. Same deal, but we have better packaging for you.
Following state directives does not mean it is bad either, for example, Chinese businesses now have to follow the labor and environment rules a lot stricter than a few years back due to public complains about these issues.
I'm the OP's author. They are developing both versions. The vertical take off one is to be launched in 2020 and the horizontal take off one by 2030. I made it clear in my original post as a side note. The English news article omitted the details.
There are many design and scaled models leaked on the Chinese web, like this, this, and this. Do not assume if you don't read Chinese and really know nothing about China.
I could imagine how the forum posts would generalize this event to.
its originally projected launch date which slipped almost two years.
Tiangong-1 was delivered on time but the launch was delayed by 3 months because the need to double check its Long March 2F rocket after a Long March 2C failed. Sure, you can nail against that (though the Long March rockets had and still have one of the highest success rate in the world) but it is not much the fault of the Tiangong-1.
Tiangong-2 was delayed by 2 years (*). That could be for any number of technical or non-technical reasons. How does that imply Tiangong-1 being a failure?
(*) the planned Tiangong-3 mission was merged with Tiangong-2, potentially saving lots of total development time and money.
You ignore that it was a test to determine the longevity of components.
When did careful testing become evidence of failures?
Months before official total failure they said they were done testing since it lasted longer than the two years expected... But ignore that it was in sleep mode and they dont have a replacement scheduled until.. 2023. Besides why would they stop collecting data if it still worked?
More bullshit. Read the wikipedia entry again. When did "stop working after 2 years of extended life" equal to failure?
Tiangong-1's follow up is Tiangong-2 which has been launched successfully. The full space station has been planned for 2020-2023 completion. Again why does it imply Tiangong-1 failure? You are implying the Apollo 11 mission being a failure since the US still can't send another man to the moon by 2017.
You are spreading misinformation. Read the wikipedia entry, the station has two extended years of service than it was designed to be.
The space laboratory was supposed to become a symbol of China's ambitious bid to become a space superpower. After two years in space, Tiangong 1 started experiencing technical failure.
It seems another case that we would like to find any opportunity to derogate China, even when it is clearly a case of technical and quality achievement?
Wikipedia entry on this space station: Tiangong-1 was initially projected to be deorbited in 2013,[11] to be replaced over the following decade by the larger Tiangong-2 and Tiangong-3 modules,[12] but as of June 2016 it was still aloft, though in a decaying orbit.
The same can be said of this and this and this American projects.
I don't see any big problem there. I only see positive sign that China wants to recruit top-notch scientists to manage top-notch science projects regardless of one's nationality. I would be surprise if the US is this open.
And I also see their leadership want to advance China as a leader in scientific discovery, instead of going back to coal and blue-collar laboring. While the West continues to be skeptical and dismissive and eventually will become envious of of their progresses.
Can someone enlighten me with info about the throughput of this system of small high-speed capsules? A regular trains and airplanes transport large number of people at once, making them economically scalable.
If you actually know the history and current affair with Chinese RMB, then you should appreciate their currency manipulation. Because their currency "manipulation" is actually trying to pop up their currency; if not for that, RMB would have been worth as much as Japanese yen or South Korea won. How? For example, they impose restrictions this year so that it is now much harder to sell Yuan and move the assets out, after RMB has been down ~15% last year (from 6 RMB : 1 USD to 7 RMB to 1 USD.) As far as I can recall, that has been what the Chinese government attempted to do for the last 30 years. But for some strange reason, the entire world (esp. the US politicians) seem to accused them of attempting to lower the prices of their products in order to be competitive. They need currency stability, not currency competitiveness.
As for the evidences of "Chinese leadership's awsome planning", check out their massive high-speed train network which now also carries profits. And also super-computer, quantum communication satellites, etc.
How that policy works out with super computers and space crafts?
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