wire it. Wireless doesnt handle a pile of users very well, espcially bandwidth suckers like gamers and what not. 100 meg ethernet is cheap, extremely reliable, and has a lot more bandwidth to boot.
Keep in mind that wireless is x mbps SHARED, like the old ethernet hubs were, as compared to standard switched ethernet, which gives each port (and user) dedicated bandwidth.
whats the point of taking the time to spell for cowardly morons like you. Btw: go ahead and spam me, it only improves my filters. (why do you think i dont munge my slashdot addy?)
your a troll, but i am going to flame you anyways. If your a big enough dumb ass to run an open relay, your going to be blacklisted by so many rbl's its not funny. Two, your going to get firewalled like mad because your server is a known piece of spammy bullshit. Three, if your isp isnt a spam haus or some clueless fucks like comcast or sbc, your going to get nuked off your connection for spam support.
let them hang themselves. Then charge the idiots your going consultant rate to de-worm their boxes afterwards. After a few years of spyware, worms formatting their hard drives after emailing their porn collection to everyone in the address book, they MIGHT get a clue. In the mean time remember its ALL billable hours.
i know, some of you are saying "i cant bill them, its my brother, wife, dog's accountant, etc". Fine, tell them that with free support you retain the right to refuse servicing any fundlementally (sp) flawed product that is not fixable. (which is how i got my parents to switch to mozilla, i told them i outright refused to deal with IE as it was completely unsecure).
i had the same problem back in august 03 when the worm of the month was running loose. My solution: a harsh and heavy handed firewalling of any dumbass mail server that sent me "gee we're stupid fucks" type messages. Strangely, 90% of my "gee we're stupid fucks" bounces were coming from norway, so for about 2 weeks i denied all traffic from there.
In this day and age, its fucking pointless to do virus based auto larts. It just wastes bandwidth and pisses off proper bastards like myself who have an up to date av on their mail server (thanks cron!) and block almost all attachments in any case.
recently i moved to a small town about an hour north of denver. No cable here, and dsl wasnt availible until last month (slightly off topic rant: qwest you suck balls). Surprisingly all the neighbors had microwave based internet access. For about $50 a month, they get 1mbps up and down, with 10 gigs a traffic per month. You may want to see if that is availible in your neck of the woods.
its called mozilla. Also fixes all spyware problems as well as cookie problems. Its time to give up on ie and start over. Fortunately the mozilla team makes this painless.
if you dont mind me asking, what state is this, and what prison? i would imagine your brother isnt in a max security prison, where the violent scum are kept in a "max" section. But i'd like to be clued in instead of guessing:)
qoute "retail value, $1 billion; wholesale value, maybe $1 million or so"
Actually its not worth anywhere near a million. How much does it really cost to run off a couple of thousand copies of the latest Billware? Maybe a few hundred dollars?
from what my brother tells me (he is a cop), federal prison is fairly cushy (unless its a ultra max), where as state lockup can be hellish, espcially if your in one of the rather poor southern states like Louisana (sp?) or Texas.
x86 is old and flawed, but it has such a base of o/s 's and apps for it that its not funny. Look at itanium. There's hardly any programs availible for it, and its hugely expensive. In order to jump to anything new, you need Uncle Bill to port windows to whatever your coming up with, and we all know how fast and effective M$ is at doing such a complicated task (i.e. not very fast or effective at all). Sure Linux and the bsd's can be ported without a huge amount of work, but a cpu manufacter cant survive without a windows base.
The first part of this rant is directed to the admins of BBR. (dslreports is also known as BBR)
I can understand your frustration at being listed and at the "scorched earth policy" of spews. However, there is ample and damning evidence that your isp, nac, is a MASSIVE spam haus
First piece of evidence: 12 sbl listings (with 3 of the really nasty yellow ones) at www.spamhaus.org
Second piece of evidence: the well mentioned spews listing, which has bucko evidence contained inside.
third piece of evidence: 1970 listings found at http://groups.google.com/groups?q=nac.net+group:ne ws.admin.net-abuse.sightings&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe =UTF-8&group=news.admin.net-abuse.sightings&sa=G&s coring=d
I think we can all agree, nac has a MASSIVE spam problem and does jack shit about it. So lets move on. BBR obviously doesnt spam, but because you are hosted with a pro spam isp, your being used as human shields by your isp. So what are your options here to get your mail working?
option one: bitch at nac to punt all their spammers, which will cause spews to descalate (yes spews DOES remove entries when spammers are terminated) the listing so your mail doesnt get 550'd. Problem is, nac is likely to not give a shit, and not lift a finger.
option two: smart host your mail with a non spammy isp. There are a variety of ways to do this, and usually its not very expensive. I've leave it up to you (i am sure you guys are fairely clueful in a network sense) on the best way to accomplish this. This is probably the quickest and easiest solution, though the one negative to it is that your still supporting a spam haus, but if that doesnt bother you, then so be it.
option three: the probably least practical solution for you, but morally the best solution. Tell nac to eat shit and die, and move your operations to a non spam haus (and despite what some people are saying, there ARE isps that dont get blacklisted, they agressively nuke any spammer on sight. Spews doesnt list you for one spam, they list you for ignoring repeated spam complaints). On a practical level, i understand this may not be a realistic option for you due to the extreme complexity of moving servers, but i figured i mention it since it is technically possible.
ok, now for my rant directed at the non mail server admins of this forum.
As others has said, spews does NOT directly block your mail. The mail admin is the one that blocks or doesnt block incoming mail. When he configures the mail server you use, he decides what if any rbls (aka blacklists) he uses. The critera for which rbls he uses depends on management's attitude (assuming its a business server), the admin's stand on spam (is he a rabid block spammers on sight type, or a "screw it, not my inbox or bandwidth" type), and the user base of the server (do the users need to recieve mail from china or south america, or can those countries be blocked with out losing legit mail?).
Spews does not communicate directly with the outside world or provide a method to be communicated with directly for very good reasons. In the past, spammers and spam hauses (verio comes to mind) have sued rbls for completely bullshit reasons. Because spews can and does play hardball with spam hauses, they remain safely anonymous so when spam hauses try to send bullshit lawsuits (aka cartooneys in the anti spam world) to spews; well it doesnt go far when you dont even know who to send the process server to The only way to communicate with spews is by posting on the usenet group NANAE that you've removed the spammers you host. Failure to remove your spammers or lying that you've removed the spammers only gets more and more of your network listed.
People complain about spews listing non spammers along with the spammers. Spews philosophy is similar to the following analogy. Lets say you live in the same apartment complex as the unabomber. People in your town keep getting mail bombs
besides being a pile of spamming shit for brains, doubleclick seems to think that spyware and popups are kosher methods of advertising as well. Well for some people there's spyware, but for everyone else, there's iptables.
i've always been of the opinion that content checking to stop spam is not the best way to go. Besides the load it puts on the server, it doesnt stop the spammers from wasting your bandwidth, and all the clever spammer has to do is figure a way to beat the content scan. On the other hand, the proper mix of rbl's and agressive firewalling of spammy isps *cough-uunet, xo, c&w, any of the telcos-cough*, and spammy countries *cough-korea, china, and latin america-cough* really cuts the spam to an absolute minimum.
Thats why i dont munge my mail address here on slashdot. I WANT the dumb ass spammers to harvest it so i can improve my firewall lists even more. Anymore, i maybe get one or two spams a week that make it all the way past the rbl's and my firewall.
sbl.spamhaus.org xbl.spamhaus.org bl.spamcop.n et spews.bl.reynolds.net.au dul.dnsbl.sorbs.net
the firewall blocks all of france, israel, nigeria, all of south american, all of asia excluding nz and au, and most of the mideast as well. Additionally i firewalled huge chunks of spammy isps such as uu.net, verio, various telco's, level 3, and a few others not worthy of typing. Between the heavy handed firewalling (now at 1500 DROP lines and growing, i love iptables) and the rbls, my spam problem is virtually non existant (i dont even bother hiding my slashdot email here). And before you start screaming that i must block legit mail.....think again.
Spam is a curable problem if the mail admins of this world are ready to take a stand (provided their management lets them) and harshly firewall off spammy isps that willingly harbor spammers.
infinium labs is a huge bunch of spamming assholes
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and proof #2, an email i recieved from their former hosting service who terminated the assholes for spamming.
Dear postmaster.
ASP-ONE corrected the issue of excessive spamming from one of our clients. Infinium labs were a client of ours who abused their account by spamming through our mail servers. We corrected this issue by terminating their account and permanently deleting them from our exchange servers.
We like to request that you remove us from your blacklist so that our good standing clients can deliver their mails to your mail server.
We apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused you, and look forward to a favorable and a speedy response from you.
Slashdot Mirror
hang in there bud. I was alone a long time too. Fortunately a great girl stepped into my life in the last week :)
http://profiles.yahoo.com/indy_1313
wire it. Wireless doesnt handle a pile of users very well, espcially bandwidth suckers like gamers and what not. 100 meg ethernet is cheap, extremely reliable, and has a lot more bandwidth to boot .
Keep in mind that wireless is x mbps SHARED, like the old ethernet hubs were, as compared to standard switched ethernet, which gives each port (and user) dedicated bandwidth.
whats the point of taking the time to spell for cowardly morons like you. Btw: go ahead and spam me, it only improves my filters. (why do you think i dont munge my slashdot addy?)
your a troll, but i am going to flame you anyways. If your a big enough dumb ass to run an open relay, your going to be blacklisted by so many rbl's its not funny. Two, your going to get firewalled like mad because your server is a known piece of spammy bullshit. Three, if your isp isnt a spam haus or some clueless fucks like comcast or sbc, your going to get nuked off your connection for spam support.
Have a nice day.
you'll see him at http://www.writeaprisoner.com/
let them hang themselves. Then charge the idiots your going consultant rate to de-worm their boxes afterwards. After a few years of spyware, worms formatting their hard drives after emailing their porn collection to everyone in the address book, they MIGHT get a clue. In the mean time remember its ALL billable hours.
i know, some of you are saying "i cant bill them, its my brother, wife, dog's accountant, etc". Fine, tell them that with free support you retain the right to refuse servicing any fundlementally (sp) flawed product that is not fixable. (which is how i got my parents to switch to mozilla, i told them i outright refused to deal with IE as it was completely unsecure).
i had the same problem back in august 03 when the worm of the month was running loose. My solution: a harsh and heavy handed firewalling of any dumbass mail server that sent me "gee we're stupid fucks" type messages. Strangely, 90% of my "gee we're stupid fucks" bounces were coming from norway, so for about 2 weeks i denied all traffic from there.
In this day and age, its fucking pointless to do virus based auto larts. It just wastes bandwidth and pisses off proper bastards like myself who have an up to date av on their mail server (thanks cron!) and block almost all attachments in any case.
wait till they see the slashdotting!
Whats the award gonna be for everyone hitting their site and bringing their server to its knees?
"500 dollars for the head of every linux junkie who loaded our web site!"
ok i found out what the isp was again. its www.digis.net
it wasnt mesa. I cant remember the name, but they were based out of utah.
recently i moved to a small town about an hour north of denver. No cable here, and dsl wasnt availible until last month (slightly off topic rant: qwest you suck balls). Surprisingly all the neighbors had microwave based internet access. For about $50 a month, they get 1mbps up and down, with 10 gigs a traffic per month. You may want to see if that is availible in your neck of the woods.
its called mozilla. Also fixes all spyware problems as well as cookie problems. Its time to give up on ie and start over. Fortunately the mozilla team makes this painless.
sorry to hear things havent worked out for him so far.
if you dont mind me asking, what state is this, and what prison? i would imagine your brother isnt in a max security prison, where the violent scum are kept in a "max" section. But i'd like to be clued in instead of guessing :)
qoute "retail value, $1 billion; wholesale value, maybe $1 million or so" Actually its not worth anywhere near a million. How much does it really cost to run off a couple of thousand copies of the latest Billware? Maybe a few hundred dollars?
look carefull at the user name, its rayNond, not rayMond. Its a troll pretending to be esr.
i think you want this link in paticular
M$ fraud #1
or
M$ fraud #2
from what my brother tells me (he is a cop), federal prison is fairly cushy (unless its a ultra max), where as state lockup can be hellish, espcially if your in one of the rather poor southern states like Louisana (sp?) or Texas.
x86 is old and flawed, but it has such a base of o/s 's and apps for it that its not funny. Look at itanium. There's hardly any programs availible for it, and its hugely expensive. In order to jump to anything new, you need Uncle Bill to port windows to whatever your coming up with, and we all know how fast and effective M$ is at doing such a complicated task (i.e. not very fast or effective at all). Sure Linux and the bsd's can be ported without a huge amount of work, but a cpu manufacter cant survive without a windows base.
The first part of this rant is directed to the admins of BBR. (dslreports is also known as BBR)
I can understand your frustration at being listed and at the "scorched earth policy" of spews. However, there is ample and damning evidence that your isp, nac, is a MASSIVE spam haus
First piece of evidence:
12 sbl listings (with 3 of the really nasty yellow ones) at www.spamhaus.org
Second piece of evidence: the well mentioned spews listing, which has bucko evidence contained inside.
third piece of evidence: 1970 listings found at http://groups.google.com/groups?q=nac.net+group:ne ws.admin.net-abuse.sightings&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe =UTF-8&group=news.admin.net-abuse.sightings&sa=G&s coring=d
I think we can all agree, nac has a MASSIVE spam problem and does jack shit about it. So lets move on. BBR obviously doesnt spam, but because you are hosted with a pro spam isp, your being used as human shields by your isp. So what are your options here to get your mail working?
option one: bitch at nac to punt all their spammers, which will cause spews to descalate (yes spews DOES remove entries when spammers are terminated) the listing so your mail doesnt get 550'd. Problem is, nac is likely to not give a shit, and not lift a finger.
option two: smart host your mail with a non spammy isp. There are a variety of ways to do this, and usually its not very expensive. I've leave it up to you (i am sure you guys are fairely clueful in a network sense) on the best way to accomplish this. This is probably the quickest and easiest solution, though the one negative to it is that your still supporting a spam haus, but if that doesnt bother you, then so be it.
option three: the probably least practical solution for you, but morally the best solution. Tell nac to eat shit and die, and move your operations to a non spam haus (and despite what some people are saying, there ARE isps that dont get blacklisted, they agressively nuke any spammer on sight. Spews doesnt list you for one spam, they list you for ignoring repeated spam complaints). On a practical level, i understand this may not be a realistic option for you due to the extreme complexity of moving servers, but i figured i mention it since it is technically possible.
ok, now for my rant directed at the non mail server admins of this forum.
As others has said, spews does NOT directly block your mail.
The mail admin is the one that blocks or doesnt block incoming mail. When he configures the mail server you use, he decides what if any rbls (aka blacklists) he uses. The critera for which rbls he uses depends on management's attitude (assuming its a business server), the admin's stand on spam (is he a rabid block spammers on sight type, or a "screw it, not my inbox or bandwidth" type), and the user base of the server (do the users need to recieve mail from china or south america, or can those countries be blocked with out losing legit mail?).
Spews does not communicate directly with the outside world or provide a method to be communicated with directly for very good reasons. In the past, spammers and spam hauses (verio comes to mind) have sued rbls for completely bullshit reasons. Because spews can and does play hardball with spam hauses, they remain safely anonymous so when spam hauses try to send bullshit lawsuits (aka cartooneys in the anti spam world) to spews; well it doesnt go far when you dont even know who to send the process server to The only way to communicate with spews is by posting on the usenet group NANAE that you've removed the spammers you host. Failure to remove your spammers or lying that you've removed the spammers only gets more and more of your network listed.
People complain about spews listing non spammers along with the spammers. Spews philosophy is similar to the following analogy. Lets say you live in the same apartment complex as the unabomber. People in your town keep getting mail bombs
besides being a pile of spamming shit for brains, doubleclick seems to think that spyware and popups are kosher methods of advertising as well. Well for some people there's spyware, but for everyone else, there's iptables.
iptables -A FORWARD -s 216.73.80.0/20 -j DROP
i've always been of the opinion that content checking to stop spam is not the best way to go. Besides the load it puts on the server, it doesnt stop the spammers from wasting your bandwidth, and all the clever spammer has to do is figure a way to beat the content scan. On the other hand, the proper mix of rbl's and agressive firewalling of spammy isps *cough-uunet, xo, c&w, any of the telcos-cough*, and spammy countries *cough-korea, china, and latin america-cough* really cuts the spam to an absolute minimum.
Thats why i dont munge my mail address here on slashdot. I WANT the dumb ass spammers to harvest it so i can improve my firewall lists even more. Anymore, i maybe get one or two spams a week that make it all the way past the rbl's and my firewall.
someone told him that there was either terrorists or democrats on the moon. Once he heard that, cost was no object.
lets see, currently i use
n et
sbl.spamhaus.org
xbl.spamhaus.org
bl.spamcop.
spews.bl.reynolds.net.au
dul.dnsbl.sorbs.net
the firewall blocks all of france, israel, nigeria, all of south american, all of asia excluding nz and au, and most of the mideast as well. Additionally i firewalled huge chunks of spammy isps such as uu.net, verio, various telco's, level 3, and a few others not worthy of typing. Between the heavy handed firewalling (now at 1500 DROP lines and growing, i love iptables) and the rbls, my spam problem is virtually non existant (i dont even bother hiding my slashdot email here). And before you start screaming that i must block legit mail.....think again.
Spam is a curable problem if the mail admins of this world are ready to take a stand (provided their management lets them) and harshly firewall off spammy isps that willingly harbor spammers.
proof you say ?
proof #1
and proof #2, an email i recieved from their former hosting service who terminated the assholes for spamming.
Dear postmaster.
ASP-ONE corrected the issue of excessive spamming from one of our clients. Infinium labs were a client of ours who abused their account by spamming through our mail servers. We corrected this issue by terminating their account and permanently deleting them from our exchange servers.
We like to request that you remove us from your blacklist so that our good standing clients can deliver their mails to your mail server.
We apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused you, and look forward to a favorable and a speedy response from you.
With regards,
Jae Sim
ASP-ONE
System Administrator
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