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I typed in "What is the diameter of Earth?" and got this.

>It serves results from Google [blogspot.com]. And that sites been up an awful long time for any errors, misconceptions and ... FUD to have been discovered and corrected by now,

OMG, I've just found conclusive proof that the earth is flat!!!

The below site hasn't been updated in ages and is still up, it means whatever it says is true!!!

http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

Off for a drive to the edge of the earth. Hope they have erected a barrier so people won't fall off.

Some state and territory AGs are elected, others are appointed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_attorney_general

Some Sheriffs are elected, some states (like mine, Alaska) don't have Sheriffs. We don't get to vote on any law enforcement officials up here.

We do elect state Judges here in Alaska, they are appointed then are on the ballots for rejection. I voted a throw the bums out platform this year. We actually rejected one - http://www.elect.alaska.net/data/results.htm

The only time atheists really object to superstition is when it is taught to children as fact.
 
Look at it this way. I've got a job as a geography teacher. Turns out I am also a member of the Flat Earth Society. I decide to enlighten the children in class that all those photos from space are fake, and that if you sail too far in one direction, you are going to fall off the edge.
 
How long would I last in the job?
 
Now say I'm the Religious Education teacher. I am perfectly entitled to teach them that mankind started off 6000 years ago, in a garden with a magic apple and a talking snake.

Global warming and volcanoes are related.

What's your source for this?

Google. Try it yourself, sometime. It would take about as much time as the post you wrote to get started.

Google also told me that the Earth is flat.

That's why sources are important.

Now that you know Google can provide sources, you can choose the ones you consider good-quality to your own satisfaction based on your own objective criteria (the Flat Earth Society would fail this test). That's the important part. Oh, you can also be sure that someone hasn't cherry-picked only the credible sources that agree with his position, something you can't do when you keep asking others to do the legwork for you. That's important too.

Isn't it great not to be so lazy that you cannot type a few terms into a Google search?

Global warming and volcanoes are related.

What's your source for this?

Google. Try it yourself, sometime. It would take about as much time as the post you wrote to get started.

Google also told me that the Earth is flat.

That's why sources are important.

My PIII with 512 mb of pc-100 ram...

Rich snob. My DNS server is a 486/66.

They are also
the step-siblings of the Flat-Earthers http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

Obama's win was widely predicted, although most people underestimated his support (right now, it looks like he will take 364 electoral votes).

The biggest surprise of the night is in Alaska, where against all odds, they elected a convicted criminal to the US senate.

So don't hesitate and join The flat earth society.

We need your help!

Then there's the little-discussed fact that 1/3 of women in the US military are raped.

What exactly is "their way"?
Why do you think global warming is a scam?

Do you really think scientists from all over the world, with no social/political/religion connection whatsoever, that are mostly interested in knowing more, enjoy telling us that we're all doomed if we keep burning fossil fuels?

IPCC scientists are mostly American. How could that be interesting for them to tell us that oil and coal are the worst things we could use to get energy?

If global warming is a crime, what is the motive?

From what you wrote, I suppose you could also be interested in :

http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

I'm not a scientist, I'm a software engineer (or that's what they told me when I left college anyway). But isn't the nature of science that we can only BELIEVE in ideas until they're disproven? Don't we BELIEVE that the sun will continue shining because we BELIEVE that in the worst case scenario [...] we MIGHT BE ABLE TO see signs that such an event was happening[?] Mind you, I'm reassured in my unwavering belief in metanarratives before paradigm shifts by my elders and betters here... http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

"As a European that travels a lot I can tell you with some confidence that creationism is as good as non-existent in Europe and when it's mentioned it is generally met with an 'only in America' disdain."

It might be worth noting that The Flat Earth Society was first based in England. But it seems ripe for being included in the American Evangelist's mission statement.

"and all of that evolution garbage MUST be impossible because the Earth is only 5,000 years old"
Don't forget it's flat, too!
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatea rthsociety.htm

'One of the biggest challenges... is to fight that perception that old versions of software are good enough,'

A challenge indeed. You must feel identified with these people, surely.

'Our business model of course allows you to keep using Office 2003 - the software doesn't really expire, '

... despite the fact that we'd dearly love it to.

the earth is flat ! http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatea rthsociety.htm http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ and open yr mind 8) bring bak the ponies ! xx

And we know we've never heard of engineers wearing tinfoil hats and talking to aliens. Especially not here on Slashdot where anything that attacks the Bush administration is taken as gospel handed down from on high.

Gawd, linking to Daily Kos as if that's an authoritative site. Why not link to Free Republic or the Flat Earth Society?

I think the US congress has more simularities to nazi parlement than the Chinese government.

Brian Sebril thinks man never landed on the moon. These people think the earth is flat. A lot of smart people think a lot of dumb things.

well, yeah. the earth is round ;^)

We beg to differ, and want you to keep your pseudoscience to yourselves.

I propose a Congressional Committee meet to investigate this myth. In addition, a $500M infusion to the Flat Earth Society will greatly aid the search for Truth. Remember, the terrorists want you to think the Earth is round.

may have fallen asleep because of the lack of O2 all the CO and CO2 in the air, but has the global warming effect been irrefutably proven? I still find many articles that speak for and against the global warming claim.

Well, YES. Global warming effect seems to be directly correlated with the amount of CO2 in the air dating back hundreds and hundreds of years. Hell, you can even see the bigger changes in the Earth's crust.

You can still find people raving that Earth is flat,
      http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/FlatHo me.htm
and they have "scientific proof" too!

To summerize, in science Global Warming => shown sufficiently. Earth is round => shown sufficiently. There will always be people saying it is not true. You decide which group you want to be in.

By chance, a friend told me today about an electrical transformer which blew up violently outside his house. Cars in the street were disabled and his neighbours car wouldn't start again until some part was replaced.
Also, static charges carried by meteorites threaten satellites more than the meteorites do.
Perhaps an electro-magentic pulse is overkill, just need a static discharge weapon.. after all pumping electrons ain't so hard.. for that matter, CRT's keep a big charge for a long time. Just charge the tube up and huck your tv sets at the advancing robot hoards.
The Explosively pumped flux compression generator mentioned in a previous post does exist and looks great for rapidly charging field artillery grade capacitors as they hurl into those pesky automata.

I hope you do realize how pathetically stupid that statement makes you look. Poor oppressed you. The whole world disagrees with you, but for a few like-minded nuts. The unwashed masses fail to recognize your inherent superiority and instead they mock and oppress you with all those demonic things, like taxes, traffic regulations and prohibitions against trade in human body parts. In this you have joined that another fine group of unfarily persecuted "geniuses". Perhaps you should work on joining forces.

They should present facts, and it is a fact that some people believe evolution is the explanation of the origin of life, so it is fair to teach that and to explain what evolution is. It's also a fact that a lot of people don't believe in evolution, so they should present that fact as well.

• The class in question is a science class
  
• There is scientific evidence for evolution. Evolution has been observed in nature.
  
• There is no scientific evidence for Intelligent Design. There is no proof of a designer and there has been no observation of a designer at work in nature.
  

> You read the Onion article on Intelligent Falling theory, didn't you?

yup:

flying spaghetti monster: http://www.venganza.org/
intelligent falling theory: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39512
flat earth society: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatea rthsociety.htm

sadly, no link for modern support of bible-based cosmology in which the sun circles the earth? suggestions?

oh, and btw, I do know how to spell ridicule :-)

This hoax lasted only a couple of hours, that's nothing compared to the hoax that people are falling for since 1547

http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatea rthsociety.htm

Water. Regardless of which train of thought you follow, it covers over seventy-five percent of our planet's surface. And the atmosphere, also a fluid, covers the entire surface. The difference is why. While flat-Earthers know that the ocean is really just a large bowl, (with great sheets of ice around the edges to hold the ocean back), and the atmosphere is contained by a large dome, the backwards "round-Earth" way of thinking would have you believe that all those trillions of gallons of water and air just "stick" to the planet's surface.

Conventional thinking would suggest that the water would just run down the sides of the Earth (to use the analogy again, like droplets running down the sides of a beach ball) and fall into outer space, while the air would dissipate. Using the earlier mentioned idea of "gravitational charge" gives some credibility to the theory. If the fluids were static, then exposure to the gravitational field for a long enough period of time would allow their molecules to align themselves with and be pulled in by the field.

But fluids are not static, especially not in the atmosphere and oceans. Great ocean currents run both at the surface and deep below, carrying water across huge basins, keeping the solution far from stagnant. Jet streams of air travel at hundreds of miles per hour through the atmosphere. And windblown rainclouds carry vast quantities of evaporated seawater across miles of ground, releasing their load far from its starting point. Water or air that (according to "round-Earth" theory) starts on one side of the planet could end up completely on the other side in a matter of only a few days. With all this turbulence and motion, if the world were round, the oceans should all fall "down" into the sky, leaving the planet dry and barren, and the atmosphere would simply float away. Why, just look at the moon. It is round, like a ball, and yet it has no atmosphere at all.

And that's the way it is, for September 6, 2005...

And eventually we'll discover that the earth is flat. check this out http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatea rthsociety.htm and they claim to have been "Deprogramming the masses since 1547".

In this case the flat world teachings being
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatea rthsociety.htm

The way I see it, though I am an evolutionist, the kids in school should at least be told that there is an opposing view. I'm sure most of them already know there is debate in this field but it is the most sensible thing to do. Share the facts and let the individuals make their own decisions.

The problem with this is that there is no opposing view. At least not one with any real support in the scientific community. To use some other examples, there are those who think the Earth is flat [http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flate arthsociety.htm. ] There are those who deny the Holocaust. These are opposing views to what is commonly accepted as fact, but they are typically not presented in a classroom because they lack credibility.

The reality is that there is no debate over evolution in the scientific community. There is continuing work on the specifics, the mechanics, and the details, but the basic process is fact.

And if I dig around, I can discover that the Earth is flat.

Do us a favor and grow a brain.

The claims of a round earth are nothing more that a main stream media hype of one guys opinion to try to invoke fear in the general population.

Anyone can single out and focus on one area of the planet and come to a conclusion that would sound devastating if it really did apply to the whole planet.

My circumstances are probably different than yours. I don't need to be as available as you seem to. I'm at my desk while at work and so my family can easily contact me. When I'm not at work, I'm with my family. If I were going to be out of touch, it'd be on the water (no, I'm not on that page yet), and I'd get a couple of marine VHF handhelds to keep in touch.

currently, our storage capacity for electricity is zero

God damn it man -- we can store electricity. All we need are a goodly number of these devices :-)

And why not resurect the dinosaurs using reminents of their DNA (just like jurasic park) -- then oil would become a renewable resource!

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When your an idiot, anything is possible!

This is great. It could be the first visual evidence of an extrasolar planet. Keep in mind that there are still people who disbelieve the moon-landing, that the earth is round, etc.

I know that there was some digital processing done on these images, but there really is some truth to "seeing is believing" (except for some "news" on the internet). Besides, this is the first attempt. Think of how many great discoveries started out as "not that interesting."

The earth is flat, sinner.

Hey! You forgot one!

We need to bring this centuries long debate to closure and create consensus with the Flat Earthers!

Most processes for making white crude or its cousins involve three major stages.
In the first, steam, oxygen and natural gas react to create a mixture of hydrogen and carbon monoxide called ''syngas.''
In the second stage, the syngas is converted to wax.
In the final stage, the wax is converted to one or more liquids -- diesel, jet fuel or the clear, nearly odourless white crude, which is suitable for movement through an oil pipeline. All of these products are remarkably free of troublesome pollutants like the sulphur, nitrogen and metals found in ordinary crude.

BP Exploration announced it will move forward with a pilot gas-to-liquids
(GTL) plant on the North Slope to get natural gas to market, as well as with
ARCO's gas sponsor group that is working on an in-state gas pipeline and
Liquified Natural Gas (LNG) facilities. So-called "white crude" made from
GTL technology has significant environmental drawbacks, as well as
efficiency losses. GTLs produce twice as much carbon dioxide as LNGs per
unit (BTU) of energy burned.

Links:
Gas-to-liquids might be the break-through
Alaska's Legislative Truth Squad

Yet fooling the press and the anti-scientific does not fact make. Those who dispute global warming are like Flat Earth types and creationists, rallying around fallacy and refusing to consider facts they find inconvenient. It's all Cargo Cult Science.

Some /. readers are probably adept enough at math to review the raw data and decide for themselves: solar irradiance data has been tracked and known for many years and is built into climate models that show, unequivocally, the consequences of human induced climate change. Even Bush finally admitted it.

Will the earth survive such changes? Of course it will. Will the human race survive? Probably. Will the long term cost of continuing to burn fossil fuels exceed the short term cost of switching to low carbon-load alternatives? Almost certainly.

But when evaluating the arguments of anti-environmentalists, which seem so utterly out of sync with even basic science, one must remember that, like their spiritual mentor James Watt, those that believe that Armageddon is around the corner will do nothing to protect the rights of future generations.

Think that's bad? Some think everyone is being duped into believing the Earth is flat.

Still considered truth by some people

Flat Earth Society

The minute I saw it on slashdot, just like the last time, I knew people would go into the "this is just impossible" mode without at least giving it a shot.

May I kindly suggest that you research the facts more carefully before you accuse others of heresy?

The earth is flat.

Voilà, I give you The Flat Earth Society - quote: "Deprogramming the masses since 1547". Granted, those dudes are a little short on evidence right now, but I'm sure they'll come up with something as soon as they find a way to escape their comfortably padded cells.

The moon is cheese.

Green cheese, to be exact. Here's the scientific evidence, complete with lots of important looking numbers.

Pi is 3.

"Scripture (I Kings 7:23) clearly declares that the value of pi (the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter) is 3, not the secular humanist value of 3.14 taught in every school in Lawrence." Source: this page. (I believe the author might be counseling the prestigious Kansas Education Board. He also has something to say about that ridiculous round earth theory)

By the way, in my day we didn't have those newfangled processors with floating point units you kids have today, so we had to make do with "PI EQU 3" and we got along with it just fine, thank you very much.

And whales are fish.

Yeah, and spiders are not insects, right? Let me quote from this page: "Pure nonsense. Either whales are fish or sharks aren't. I'd say whales are fish." There are more interestings facts to be found on this page, but I have to take my medication now.

It could still be considered a matter of debate as to whether the Earth is round or flat.

using ybin/yaboot you can easily multi MacOS 8.x, MacOS 9.x, MacOS X and Linux. Even multiple installs of each OS. Check out http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ybin/ for more info.

Why should that argument be good enough for me?

Because we've destroyed so much wilderness already, that we endanger ourselves by wantonly destroying more. It's time to start to slow down our pace, and I think a damned good start is not drilling in a wildlife refuge.

Guess what - your house used to be on wilderness. Guess it's time to wreck the cities and let the wilderness come back...

Right. And by putting those words in my mouth, you make me sound like a loon. But you're the one not happy with how much we've already destroyed. Yes, they cut down trees to make my home. Why must we cut down _more_, for no demonstrable benefit?

Do you really think that the "well, we destroyed to get where we are, so more must be ok" argument is going to last us to the end?

Do you really think that piddling amount of oil will make your gas cheaper? Will it truly let us continue consuming at our current rate even a tiny bit longer? Make us less dependent on foreign oil? Please.

I ask you: Why should we drill in a national refuge? You're answer seems to be "why not?"

Either demonstrate that drilling in Alaska will cause irreperable harm using actual facts or just shut up.

Ever seen an oil drilling operation? That is my demonstration.

But see, I think we see this in different lights. I think that prior to being able to drill for oil in a wildlife refuge, where the caribou of an aboriginal people give birth, you should have to demonstrate that it will not have any lasting harm.

Presently, there are negotiations underway to run a full blown LNG pipeline down either the Alaska Highway or through the Mackenzie Valley in Canada's Northwest Territories from the North Slope to the lower 48. Like any project of this scale, there are many legal and environmental issues that have to be resolved before this happens.

Incidentally, a data center of this size would require more bandwidth than the entire state of Alaska has running into it.

yaboot is able to boot Linux and other Apple OS.

I have written documentation and installation utilities for yaboot, you can find at my web page:

http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/

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It was certainly not "robbery", in 1828, to illegally copy someone's writings.

Interestingly, though it WAS piracy!

This definition is from an *1856* law dictionary!

PIRACY, torts. By piracy is understood the plagiarisms of a book, engraving or other work, for which a copyright has been taken out. 2. When a piracy has been made of such a work, an injunction will be granted. 5 Ves. 709; 4 Ves. 681; 12 Ves. 270. Vide copyright.

Bouviers Law Dictionary 1856 Edition