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I would add The Mind's I. It has a way of inverting one's ego, or perhaps molding it into a Klein bottle.

I don't know anything about ESR's recent history, but I learned a lot from reading his book, The Art of Unix Programming.

Glacier would seem to be the appropriate technology.. ;)

the one book that I suspect no one else will mention but everyone aught to read is John Ralston Sauls's Voltaire's Bastards

There is another great story from Scahill's book that shows how flimsy and flawed the intelligence JSOC has been using to execute people is.

Again, a lengthy story with no references provided. Please back it up somehow. You'd do your cause a favor by not just saying stuff without citations.

Try reading the book mentioned earlier in the thread and cited by him:
http://www.amazon.com/Dirty-Wars-The-World-Battlefield/dp/156858671X

I totally agree with GEB, but would add that the book is not really about understanding Godel's proof, although that it the part that most people dwell on because it is the hardest part for most people to get and therefore the part they spend the most time on. To really get the most out of the book, I recommend Nagel and Newman's Godel's Proof first so that you understand the basics and can simply enjoy Hofstader's artistry.

This should be required reading for everyone of junior high/high school age.

Excellent choice: Short. Easy to understand. Explains complicated topics in a user-friendly fashion. Has pictures.

This should be required reading for everyone of junior high/high school age. It's basically a brief introduction to statistics, focusing on all the ways they are often misused. It's short, funny, and permanently changed the way I view news and politics. Once you know this stuff, you'll see examples everywhere, especially when partisans have an ax to grind. E.g., years ago I saw a group's study that purported to "prove" that California's taxes and regulations had no negative effects on businesses. Further investigation revealed that they studied only existing California businesses, not businesses that had closed down, or moved out of state, or never got off the ground. Um, sample bias?

How exactly have you gone ten years without hearing about rendition. The U.S. especially JSOC and SOCOM, have been snatching people all over the world since 9/11 and making them disappear. Many of them have been rendered based on the flimsiest of evidence or have even been totally the wrong people because of mistaken identity. These people have been disappeared in to secret U.S. prisons abroad and to states like Egypt for interrogation and torture where they have no access to the Red Cross, lawyers or family. They actually totally disappear. Try reading Jeremy Scahill's Dirty Wars.

There is also an issue with the U.S. using drones and cruise missiles over large swaths of the globe to conduct summary executions of individuals based on often flawed intelligence, and frequently killing large numbers of women and children in the process. At least three of the executions have been U.S. citizens, including a 16 year old boy.

Just because they are Muslim does that mean they don't count in your book?

Don't Tell Mom I Work on the Rigs: She Thinks I'm a Piano Player in a Whorehouse - http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Tell-Mom-Work-Rigs/dp/1600940250

Hilarious laugh out loud story of a guy that grew up in country Western Australia and went on to work in some of the most extreme locations on the planet. He's a fantastic story teller and it's a great read.

Although the CRC book is renowned partly for its math tables, I'm a great fan of the very inexpensive and useful Schaum's Outline of Mathematical Handbook of Formulas and Tables for those. Even though you can find that same information online now, having it on paper can still be very handy.

http://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Chemistry-Physics-94th-Edition/dp/1466571144

http://www.amazon.com/How-Be-People-Smart-Giblin/dp/9380227302

How to be People Smart by Les Giblin.
This book greatly contributed to my retirement at age 51.

The advice on only giving yourself 1 no per 9 yes's will completely change the way you interact with others in a highly positive way.

The rest is equally good. Very basic. Very obvious. But few know or practice anything except knowing the most important word in any language.

Dale Carnegie's book's on dealing with worry are also extremely useful.

You seem to be a little naive my friend.

Common characteristics of a police state, wide spread spying on citizens, warrantless arrest and detention, torture, rigged judicial system and trials, execution of citizens without due process, suppression of a free press, suppression of opposition parties, censorship, seizure of property, targeting of opposition groups and minorities, prevent freedom of movement.

You do realize the U.S. and U.K. have engaged in all of these. I can run through examples of each if that will help enlighten you. The U.S. and U.K are not particularly iron fist police states, they prefer more the velvet gloved fist. They aren't particularly wide spread or oppressive police states yet, just give them time and a few more excuses.

It is no secret the U.S. has tortured people on a wide scale and very recently. This precedent has been set and the people who did it got away with it. Obama has dialed it back some, preferring to let third parties do it so he can claim the U.S. isn't torturing but the U.S. is still actively participating in and bankrolling it.

Obama has executed at least three American's by drone, which is the new prefered means of execution. Thre is no judicial process or if there was it is secret. One the the people killed was a 16 year old boy who apparently was targetted because he was the son of someone the U.S. hated.

Obama has been he most aggressive adminstration in targetting journalists in recent history, especially ones who are telling stories the U.S. doesn't want told. Obama had a journalist in Yemen jailed for 3 years for exposing a cruise missile strike that killed civilians and interviewing Anwar Awliki.

Try bring any of the recent abuses of our Constituion to a court of law and most are shut down by State Secret privlideges. Many abuses of civil rights are currently untriable.

The U.S. pretends to have opposition parties but in fact the two parties we have are two sides of the same coin pursuing the same agenda on most issues that count, and only differing on wedge issues or where tax money is squandered. Third parties are ruthlessley suppressed, marginalized and muzzled in the U.S. especially ones which challenge the status quo.

The U.S. doesn't practice overt censorship, the U.K. is farther down this road. The U.S. favors more suble censorship and propaganda using a small number of corporate controlled media companies who do most of the shaping of public opinion. The U.S. prefers just listening to and recording what everyong is watching, reading, listening to and saying so they can spot the troublemakers.

The U.S. is actively planing for the near future when there will more terrorist attacks (i.e. 9/11), natural disasters(i.e. Katrina), protest movements (i.e. Occupy) and resource shortage shocks and when they occur they will ratchet up the police state a few more notches.

If you want an eye opener on the next generation global police state the U.S. has become grab a copy of Jeremy Scahill's Dirty Wars. U.S. special forces and intelligence are now roaming the globe engaging in largely unsupervised executions, renditions, torture and spying. This started under Bush/Cheney and Obama has actually dramatically accellerated and extended it. Some of their attacks have been very successful like killing Bin Laden, many of them are deeply flawed, killing large numbers of innocents, including women and children, and spawning new generations who hate America. The important part being they have almost no oversige from Congress or the judiciary, and often inadequate oversight from the White House and Pentagon who are running this global police apparatus.

Less useful but still useful are command shells. These provide file management mostly. I believe some of them may allow for sending and retrieving email messages.

Holy shit, you can start off with DOS for Dummies and work your way up from there.

But anyway, I will attempt to answer your question:

What else is out there?

Every program on every major operating system can be launched from the shell, and 99% of these can accept command line arguments. Is there any other vague, poorly-thought-out questions you'd like to ask?

When I see folks struggling with the shell, I really wish they would bring back Stan Kelly-Bootle's book "Understanding Unix" back into print, or even better, update it for a new version.

While most books just take the common commands (cut, grep etc.), give a brief description and move on, Kelly-Bootle's book actually showed how to use them together in scripts that opened your mind to the possibilities (a simple example: given a text file, finding out the most frequently used words and their counts).

I haven't seen a better book since, and I recently re-bought it.

A good suggestion, though I wouldn't trust Google not to do the same or worse with their DNS.

Trust? Why is trust necessary? Because it's hard to look at the address bar and see that you haven't wound up at an affiliate link?

A good suggestion, though I wouldn't trust Google not to do the same or worse with their DNS.

Trust? Why is trust necessary? Because it's hard to look at the address bar and see that you haven't wound up at an affiliate link?

How is that plausible? There's no legal mechanism to do that.

Joseph Nacchio. If you don't cooperate with the NSA, the SEC finds something to put you in prison for.

That's the whole point of Three Felonies A Day.

Have you considered using a personal Kanban board? I tried a number of personal organization system including GTD before I finally settled into a personal Kanban board (it is even simpler than GTD in my opinion). You can user whatever you like to implement it, I set up a board using kanbanflow.com and it has been good so far but you could easily use a notebook and post-its to do the same thing. The book 'Personal Kanban: Mapping Work | Navigating Life' - http://www.amazon.com/Personal-Kanban-Mapping-Work-Navigating/dp/1453802266 helped me get started, and so far it is working for me but your mileage may vary.

And the real irony is that Disney built its animated empire on stories in the public domain
- Bambi? Nope, they stole that one too, from a 1923 work of Felix Salten

It is never wise to take anything a geek says about Disney at face value.

In 1933, Sidney Franklin, a producer and director at Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, purchased the film rights to Felix Salten's novel Bambi, A Life in the Woods, intending to adapt it as a live-action film. After years of experimentation, he eventually decided that it would be too difficult to make such a film and he sold the film rights to Walt Disney in April 1937. Disney began work on crafting an animated adaptation immediately, intending it to be the company's second feature-length animated film and their first to be based on a specific, recent work.

Bambi

Philip Pullman's Fairy Tales from the Brothers Grimm: A New English Version retells fifty of these classic tales in a four hundred page book. Call it eight pages on average per story.

That is barely enough material to sustain a one-act stage play.

The truth is that the adaptation becomes memorable through its embellishments, its richness in detail. ''Hansel & Gretel'' at Columbia Marionette Theatre: A Sweet Artistic Triumph

It isn't a generic Sleeping Beauty the geek wants to appropriate from Disney, it is Maleficent.

The same reason you probably have a deadbolt and a regular lock on your front door, and possibly a chain bolt.

To help keep the honest people honest? Because none of those things are going to stop an attacker armed with a BFH. And none of those things are going to keep windows from turning into doorways when bricks are involved. And none of those things are going to keep a stealthy attacker from picking the locks (unless they're ridiculously high-quality locks) and cutting the chain with a small bicycle tool.

My house has locks on the doorknobs, and that is all. It's not worth the effort to go far enough to stop a motivated attacker (steel bars/shutters over windows, inside/outside doors).

As far as I can tell, there are no FW S1600/S3200 controllers available commercially. But if you want to connect a FW800 network to any Mac, problem solved.

Not to mention, you can still have SATA if you really want it.

Ya, get rid of the ugly, round-cornered green rectangles, and instead use nice crisp, proper ones, just like a 7th grader in a novice programming class might.

Design a product, gentlemen. Quit screwing with stuff for the sake of screwing with it.

This one already exists, but not quite the same as your idea.

Worse, he's right: people don't understand what's happening and believe anything under stress. I could rant, but I'll just point at some barely coherent brown kid who sounds nutty but really knows what he's talking about. Try not to go too far out on this stuff, but ... yeah, he has a point.

The point of the article is to make fun of a bunch of Zealots. Who have even joined in the fun.

And, uh... it's blog-level nonsense because you're reading it on this here blog thingie.

Read Salus' 'A Quarter Century of UNIX' if you want something more interesting than the fact-deficient comments here. It's not free, in fact it's kind of expensive for a paperback. (Hurry, Amazon says they only have five copies left.)

A McAward from McPaper, and the quality of the column written to back it up reflects that. The only two points made by the columnist are self-contradictory (NSA spying is a deep existential threat to every American; NSA is so inept they can't connect the dots even when they are all lined up in front of them).

But hey, they love it here on Dice.

And what pray tell will the Yakuza do with the radioactive waste?

Collect it, mix it with a special blend of herbs, spices, and peppers, and sell it as:

  Fukushima "Devil may care, screw tomorrow" Nuclear Total Meltdown Exxxxtra Hot Sauce.

Some people are going to be desperate due to a shortage of their favorite. They might make a quick buck in the US, maybe Korea and China too. Or maybe they could just open a store on Amazon. They could compete with this stuff, which has one of the best reviews ever.

And what pray tell will the Yakuza do with the radioactive waste?

Collect it, mix it with a special blend of herbs, spices, and peppers, and sell it as:

  Fukushima "Devil may care, screw tomorrow" Nuclear Total Meltdown Exxxxtra Hot Sauce.

Some people are going to be desperate due to a shortage of their favorite. They might make a quick buck in the US, maybe Korea and China too. Or maybe they could just open a store on Amazon. They could compete with this stuff, which has one of the best reviews ever.

The PC market is hardly dying. That's a tired old trope by now. They said the same thing about mainframes. Guess what? People still buy them. The landscape is changing for sure, but the PC market is not even close to 'dying'.

It's not the OS or hardware that matters. It is traffic, because visitors are targets ripe for advertising.

Mobile numbers will eventually be half of traffic on some sites. They're already 25 to 30% in some (FB, for instance). Marketers are the same guys known to benefit from abysmally small fractions for their thousands of ad impressions. They must be pretty sensitive to small percentages and fractions of a percent. So again, 25 or 30%? When your ads CANNOT spew flash at one in four or five visitors, you have to go back to the drawing board and wonder if investments and ad delivery policies needs to be rethought.

They have to decide if your shovelware is more effective delivered to you via bundling agreements with Dell (where some uninstall or decrapifier script is an easy fix), or if it's a safer ROI to buy a few unremovable app slots on Samsung phones. Here is the kicker: this paragraph is a bit more impactful when you realize how many NEW PCs you buy every year in a home this day and age, per capita... versus how many cellphones it is COOL to buy YEAR after YEAR, sometimes at twice the price of a new PC ($300 decent desktop PCs vs $700 list price for a new Galaxy S 4)

But in many places the law was, and quite possibly still is, that the handing over of such documents indicated the time of payment.

Indicated the time/date of payment, sure, not the fact of payment.

Anyways, major retailers provide specific terms consumers have to accept to complete an order. Orders are always subject to cancellation at the retailer's discretion.

EXAMPLE Amazon.com Conditions of Use:
With respect to items sold by Amazon, we cannot confirm the price of an item until you order. Despite our best efforts, a small number of the items in our catalog may be mispriced. If the correct price of an item sold by Amazon is higher than our stated price, we will, at our discretion, either contact you for instructions before shipping or cancel your order and notify you of such cancellation. Other merchants may follow different policies in the event of a mispriced item.

EXAMPLE: TigerDirect: As all prices are subject to change, your order may not be accepted or we may have to communicate price changes or availability issues to you after you place your order.

EXAMPLE: NewEgg: Product Listings ... In the event a product listed on our Web site is labeled with an incorrect price due to some typographical, informational, technical or other error, Newegg.com shall at its sole discretion have the right to refuse and/or cancel any order for said product and immediately amend, correct and/or remove the inaccurate information.

Check out this 128GB NGFF SSD. $200 for the C720, $100 for the SSD ....it's a damn fine value. Anything else you might need can connect through USB 3.0 or the SD card slot.

The Acer C720 Chromebook is Intel Haswell-based, and perfectly compatible with most Linux distros.

Phoronix did an awesome review of linux on the C720 several weeks ago, and in short: it's awesome. It runs everything you'd need - movies, internet, USB 3.0, streaming, 7-8 hours of battery life. There is some issue to work out with the touchpad, but it's possible to run most distros out of the box with an external mouse, or by applying a kernel patch. This is temporary though - I'd expect the touchpad to be incorporated in due time.

For $199, there's no better laptop on the market for Linux.

Also, for $99 you can upgrade the ssd to 128GB. Now it's a pretty killer laptop for $300.

I think I read that novel.

Yes, you could buy an Intel SSD for twice the cost of one without power loss protection. Or, you could buy a UPS for a mere $43, and get protection not just for the SSD, but for all the other components, as well as non-disk related software. So why would I care about power loss protection in the hard drive again?

You aren't looking at the same LED I am then.

Probably not, I was going off what the store had last time I looked. Mind you, the 'damned lies' are for their incandescent equivalency rating, not anything else. So maybe Cree aren't inflating their equivalency ratings, but it was rather egarious, so the point that somebody who simply picked up X 'wattage equivalent' LED bulbs, not knowing to check lumens, to replace their incandescents could end up in a situation where it's much darker than they really had, or want.
I'm going to have to check up on the cree bulbs, but this is what I'm talking about:
Standard 60W Bulb: 855
CFL '60W': 825 - 96%, within tolerances. (13W)
LED '60W' equivalent: 630 lumons. 74%, which is better than I remember, but still closer to a 50W incandescent, not a 60W. Now, it uses 7W, not 12 for the Cree.

It's the same sort of phenomenon as with ranges for wireless devices - 'UP TO XXX FEET!' when in reality you'll only get that range with no intervening objects/walls, with the antennas lined up perfectly, in a radio isolation chamber.

You aren't looking at the same LED I am then.

Probably not, I was going off what the store had last time I looked. Mind you, the 'damned lies' are for their incandescent equivalency rating, not anything else. So maybe Cree aren't inflating their equivalency ratings, but it was rather egarious, so the point that somebody who simply picked up X 'wattage equivalent' LED bulbs, not knowing to check lumens, to replace their incandescents could end up in a situation where it's much darker than they really had, or want.
I'm going to have to check up on the cree bulbs, but this is what I'm talking about:
Standard 60W Bulb: 855
CFL '60W': 825 - 96%, within tolerances. (13W)
LED '60W' equivalent: 630 lumons. 74%, which is better than I remember, but still closer to a 50W incandescent, not a 60W. Now, it uses 7W, not 12 for the Cree.

It's the same sort of phenomenon as with ranges for wireless devices - 'UP TO XXX FEET!' when in reality you'll only get that range with no intervening objects/walls, with the antennas lined up perfectly, in a radio isolation chamber.

You aren't looking at the same LED I am then.

Probably not, I was going off what the store had last time I looked. Mind you, the 'damned lies' are for their incandescent equivalency rating, not anything else. So maybe Cree aren't inflating their equivalency ratings, but it was rather egarious, so the point that somebody who simply picked up X 'wattage equivalent' LED bulbs, not knowing to check lumens, to replace their incandescents could end up in a situation where it's much darker than they really had, or want.
I'm going to have to check up on the cree bulbs, but this is what I'm talking about:
Standard 60W Bulb: 855
CFL '60W': 825 - 96%, within tolerances. (13W)
LED '60W' equivalent: 630 lumons. 74%, which is better than I remember, but still closer to a 50W incandescent, not a 60W. Now, it uses 7W, not 12 for the Cree.

It's the same sort of phenomenon as with ranges for wireless devices - 'UP TO XXX FEET!' when in reality you'll only get that range with no intervening objects/walls, with the antennas lined up perfectly, in a radio isolation chamber.

Here is a breakdown of diy.

Cpu :Intel Xeon E5-2697 v2 12 core - $2,524.00
Motherboard: ASUS Z9PA-U8 - $277.99
64GB 16x4 (4 slots still free) - $720
PCIe ssd :480 GB - $1007
Power supply 1500 Watt - $374
Case: $274
Video cards: ??? not currently available

Total: $5,176
Apple with similar specs: $7,899
So that leaves $2,723 for video cards, I can't find any suggested prices on the D500 or D700, except that Apple charges $300 per card to upgrade from D500 to D700.

Of course if you wanted 12 cores you could save a bundle and just get a dual socket board and 2 6 core cpus. Also the MB supports a lot more ram etc, but is a lot bigger.

Sources:

CPU: http://www.compsource.com/ttechnote.asp?part_no=BX80635E52697V2&vid=211&src=14
MB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131915
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147307
HDD: http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-Technology-Drive-Series-Express/dp/B0058RECOU/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1388118274&sr=8-9
PSU: http://www.amazon.com/SILVERSTONE-ST1500-CrossFire-Certified-Modular/dp/B002BH3Z84/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1388118413&sr=8-2&keywords=1500watt+power+supply
Case: http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Obsidian-Series-Performance-CC-9011035-WW/dp/B00EB6O4N8/ref=sr_1_1?srs=2529199011&ie=UTF8&qid=1388118511&sr=8-1

Here is a breakdown of diy.

Cpu :Intel Xeon E5-2697 v2 12 core - $2,524.00
Motherboard: ASUS Z9PA-U8 - $277.99
64GB 16x4 (4 slots still free) - $720
PCIe ssd :480 GB - $1007
Power supply 1500 Watt - $374
Case: $274
Video cards: ??? not currently available

Total: $5,176
Apple with similar specs: $7,899
So that leaves $2,723 for video cards, I can't find any suggested prices on the D500 or D700, except that Apple charges $300 per card to upgrade from D500 to D700.

Of course if you wanted 12 cores you could save a bundle and just get a dual socket board and 2 6 core cpus. Also the MB supports a lot more ram etc, but is a lot bigger.

Sources:

CPU: http://www.compsource.com/ttechnote.asp?part_no=BX80635E52697V2&vid=211&src=14
MB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131915
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147307
HDD: http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-Technology-Drive-Series-Express/dp/B0058RECOU/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1388118274&sr=8-9
PSU: http://www.amazon.com/SILVERSTONE-ST1500-CrossFire-Certified-Modular/dp/B002BH3Z84/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1388118413&sr=8-2&keywords=1500watt+power+supply
Case: http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Obsidian-Series-Performance-CC-9011035-WW/dp/B00EB6O4N8/ref=sr_1_1?srs=2529199011&ie=UTF8&qid=1388118511&sr=8-1

Here is a breakdown of diy.

Cpu :Intel Xeon E5-2697 v2 12 core - $2,524.00
Motherboard: ASUS Z9PA-U8 - $277.99
64GB 16x4 (4 slots still free) - $720
PCIe ssd :480 GB - $1007
Power supply 1500 Watt - $374
Case: $274
Video cards: ??? not currently available

Total: $5,176
Apple with similar specs: $7,899
So that leaves $2,723 for video cards, I can't find any suggested prices on the D500 or D700, except that Apple charges $300 per card to upgrade from D500 to D700.

Of course if you wanted 12 cores you could save a bundle and just get a dual socket board and 2 6 core cpus. Also the MB supports a lot more ram etc, but is a lot bigger.

Sources:

CPU: http://www.compsource.com/ttechnote.asp?part_no=BX80635E52697V2&vid=211&src=14
MB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131915
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147307
HDD: http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-Technology-Drive-Series-Express/dp/B0058RECOU/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1388118274&sr=8-9
PSU: http://www.amazon.com/SILVERSTONE-ST1500-CrossFire-Certified-Modular/dp/B002BH3Z84/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1388118413&sr=8-2&keywords=1500watt+power+supply
Case: http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Obsidian-Series-Performance-CC-9011035-WW/dp/B00EB6O4N8/ref=sr_1_1?srs=2529199011&ie=UTF8&qid=1388118511&sr=8-1

That's not the "quality" of the light, which almost exclusively refers to the spectrum, but the spread. Get a lantern if you really care about the spread. This is not a "bad" solution. In fact, it's more versatile, safer and far cheaper than having a circuit run down into a crawlspace with fixtures installed for light bulbs that you're almost bound to bump into at some point - this is a crawlspace, not a walkspace. If you care about "not having it on hand", you keep it at the entrance to the crawlspace (here's an idea, put in a hook just inside the crawlspace entrance) instead of in the garage where you keep the thttp://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4597193&cid=45786799#ools (the ones you expect to use in the crawlspace). Unless you're hunting gnomes, you don't need light absolutely everywhere in the crawlspace, just wherever you happen to be at the moment. If you're checking rat traps, you don't want more wires to be run in there anyway because they're the little bastards chewing on them and causing fires in the first place.

They can call it the "Endurance Centennial Reenactment".

Read Neal Stephenson's In the beginning was the Command Line, or, better yet, give it as a set book to the students. It's available for download from his website for free, or you can buy it as a paperback from all good booksellers (and some bad ones)

Sounds like you could use one of these. BTW, this unit will also help protect the expensive electronics in your home, above any power strip type surge suppressors you might be using(IE add up their protection).

Three-way incandescent bulbs are still going to be sold under an allowance for specialty bulbs.

Which I find funny because I've seen 3 way CFLs for $7 and LED bulbs for $25, though the LED maxes out at 60w equivalent, while the CFL maxes out at equivalent to a 150W incandescent.

Given that the LED maxes out at 20watts for 60w equivalent(1/3) while the CFL uses 29 watts to be equivalent to 150(1/5th), and that LEDs are expected to live roughly twice as long as a CFL*, $25 vs $7 doesn't really work out.

*That's one thing that always gets me - everyone compares LEDs to Incandescents. The equations become a lot tougher when you put them up against CFLs, much less FLs when you're replaceing the fixture.

Three-way incandescent bulbs are still going to be sold under an allowance for specialty bulbs.

Which I find funny because I've seen 3 way CFLs for $7 and LED bulbs for $25, though the LED maxes out at 60w equivalent, while the CFL maxes out at equivalent to a 150W incandescent.

Given that the LED maxes out at 20watts for 60w equivalent(1/3) while the CFL uses 29 watts to be equivalent to 150(1/5th), and that LEDs are expected to live roughly twice as long as a CFL*, $25 vs $7 doesn't really work out.

*That's one thing that always gets me - everyone compares LEDs to Incandescents. The equations become a lot tougher when you put them up against CFLs, much less FLs when you're replaceing the fixture.