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Just take a gander at this thread from 3 mnths ago.

BeOs didn't succeed with x86. Some developers said that those who has originally used BeOs started to use window/Linux and stopped to support original BeOs apps because everythig was easier with Windows/Linux.

Custom hardware is good choise, there woun't be any benefits to go x86/x64

Custom hardware makes Amiga special and force people who has it to use it. (Yes I know there is linux distro for ppc)

OS4 needs to remain PPC.

No valid reason for OS4 to go to commodity hardware. The market isn't there - niche OS's are free/open source on commodity hardware, Hyperion would have no business model.

It's be just another offshoot hobby OS that could once make a meager earning on the PPC side that is now on commodity HW where there's a plethora of free OS'es for every niche market. Another OS I'd have to run an emulation layer on to run legacy software. Why should I run OS4 x86 vs. AROS, vs. UAE/Amikit/Amithlon?

and those are just select quotes from the first 2 pages. The snobs still exist.

It doesn't stop there. Here's a thread on how the site rips ad copy from Apple.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52985&page=6

Well for one thing, it's habitual with this guy. Here's a forum thread on how his site was doing a rip of Apple's Mini page.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52985&page=6

So let me get this straight, Microsoft files anti-trust charges against IBM in the EU? The same Microsoft the EU accuses of anti-trust and forced them to make "N" versions of Windows Vista and Windows 7?

Our could it be the real reason is that the EU wants to punish IBM because they are accused of selling IBM Mainframes and technology to the Nazis and Hitler during or before WWII that allowed them to run the holocaust more efficiently and tattoos of bar codes or numbers was used to track people targeted for death? That is why Neo-Nazis, Skinheads, and other white supremacist groups use IBM OS/2 and refuse to use Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, etc. :) OS/2 is the type of operating system Hitler himself would write if he was smart enough and had the knowledge and skill sets to do it. But based on further research I found out I was wrong and that Windows 7 is the true OS that Hitler would write.

Anyway before he had his plane crash that made him lose his memories and almost die, Steve Wozniak of Apple Computers was once quoted as having said "Never trust a computer you cannot throw out a window."

Look if Microsoft claims IBM competes with them and violates EU law, then why don't Microsoft develop their own Mainframe and then port Windows 7 or whatever to it and then see how well that sells? Maybe people would rather use IBM Mainframes and zOS, oh because it is better, faster, more stable, and has no known viruses that can infect it, plus it can run Linux in virtual machines if needed which is why IBM makes contributions to Linux and other FOSS software projects like Mozilla, etc.

Remember that SCO vs. IBM for Linux having SCO Unix code in it? Microsoft was behind that as well. The code they used in court was Minix code and not Linux code but once the judge figured that out and they got the real Linux code, well we discovered the truth, eh?

Besides in the EU, the Amiga is a much better system than a PC running Windows 7, amiright Amiga Fanbois and Fangurls? Apple's Mac and PC guys meet the Amiga Lady, and it literally blows their minds and heads at how much better the Amiga is than the Mac and PC. Amiga fans, we are back, and we are p*ssed!

Amiga is still around and doesn't seem to be bothered with legacy issues like Apple and Microsoft are.

Also there are still Amiga users that are happy with their choice.

In case you missed it Slashdot has been reporting on it for a while now. Plus The Amiga is still going on with PowerPC SAM440 and ACube units and still being sold.

In my Amiga 3000. Was pretty cool, at the time.

Speaking of AROS, AROS has now entered into the world of 64 bits on x86_64. http://www.amiga.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7476/. Isn't Open Source wonderful?

The inability to upgrade the graphics (due to the video memory and bus timings that had to fit with NTSC timings) was one of the reasons for people perceiving the Amiga as a niche machine (games and video) back then and had no little influence in its ultimate demise.

This relates to a question I posed on Amiga.org:

Amiga.org - Forum
http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?t opic_id=35273&forum=22#forumpost417060

"Is pluggable TCP/IP stacks feasible in mainstream operating systems?

On Amiga we have been graced with AmiTCP, Termite TCP, Miami, Genesis, and probably other TCP/IP stacks about which I do not know. IIRC, these mutated from an original stack produced by Commodore (AS225?) and all offer some compatibility to what appears to be ubiquitous among Amiga, the bsdsocket.library.

So I read about how Gibson Research decried the raw socket access introduced by the new Windows XP TCP/IP implentation (which has not caused the end of the world, best as I can tell,) and Windows Vista introduces another TCP/IP stack. All of these harken back to winsock.dll and winsock2.dll.

Then there's the TCP/IP stack within the Linux kernel, and found in most Unix implementations such as Solaris (/dev/tcp, /dev/udp, etc.)

We run into so many issues with vendors' TCP/IP stacks (like Windows XP SP2's half-open connection limitation,) why do third party vendors not create third-party TCP/IP stacks? Or do they?

Regardless of the thought process behind the curiosity, could we speculate on the viability? Would it be a potential segregation of the mainstream OS world, or could one vendor's better implementation take over?

I see potential for the server market where many system builders, administrators, and maintainers would like to tweak system performance and security as much as possible. Would TCP/IP outside of the operating system allow for such an approach? And would it be too much of a potential black-eye for OS vendors to ever allow?"

The site amiga.org did an interview with Bill McEven a few weeks ago http://www.amiga.org/modules/news/article.php?stor yid=6955 Hyperion, who are working on AmigaOS 4 did a statement http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2006-09-00085- EN.html Bill McEven responded later http://www.amiga.org/modules/news/article.php?stor yid=6970 The Amiga community - yes, ther is still a community - is pretty sick of Bill.

The site amiga.org did an interview with Bill McEven a few weeks ago http://www.amiga.org/modules/news/article.php?stor yid=6955 Hyperion, who are working on AmigaOS 4 did a statement http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2006-09-00085- EN.html Bill McEven responded later http://www.amiga.org/modules/news/article.php?stor yid=6970 The Amiga community - yes, ther is still a community - is pretty sick of Bill.

It's Amiga so it can't be as simple as just a plain sale.

Check out the press release. Amiga announced it sold the property on April 23, 2003, not yesterday.

Note the name Garry Hare as CEO of KMOS in the press release. Then look at this scan of his Amiga Inc. CEO business card dated April 29, 2003. http://www.amiga.org/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid =970

There was some discussion back in April 03 about Mr. Hare replacing Bill McEwen who according to this press release was still CEO this week. Or at least thought he was, whilst the person in charge of ordering business cards was the only one who actually knew he was out. :-)

I hadn't heard about the whole "is he or isn't he CEO" news until this slashdot artile prompted me to check out what's happened in the Amiga community in the last few years. Enough strange things have happened that it's like a bad TV movie. Who is going to play Al Haig in the movie?

Here's a tool from Microsoft.

And here's another tool from Microsoft.

=tkk

Heh, This should change your mind

It is. Part of it's taken from old slashdot apple trolls, and part from a post on Amiga.org.

Personally I found the cat vs dog version of the "freelance gig" mac vs PC troll absolutely hilarious. Wish I could find a link to that one.

While the heading refers to Linux on Macs, there's a number of other PPC machines that'll run Linux

a pegasos I or II is a PPC based machine, there's also Amiga One boards - a new Mini-ITX AmigaOne looks REALLY appealing, as long as it's not slugged with the "Amiga Tax" (double the price for the privilege of being able to run AmigaOS4 if it's released). a Mini ITX board with a GHz or more G4 - not a scaled down VIA type setup, but a full honest-to-goodness G4. That's appealing.

There's also several VMEbus boards based on PPC chips from PPC440 to G4s, and a newer one out soon from Momentum computer, Dual G5s on an ATX board. Pricey, but it's just a reference board at the moment.

If prices dropped on these, especially on the Momentum board, I could see these being real alternatives to x86, especially for people a bit worried about MS's palladium plans. A mac is a wonderful thing, but if you ask 'Why bother" about putting Linux over the top of a machine that'll run OSX, one of the above solutions might be an option.

You could soon carry a stripped-down operating system in your pocket to boot any machine to look like yours.

Thats kinda funny because some people have been talking about doing this with there new Amiga's since the entire OS is only around 50-100M a cheap flash memory stick would make there computer portable.

I believe it's already been stated you can boot off these as well, which is pretty cool.

Heres my amiga prediction. AmigaOS4 Shall be released this year, first as a Developer Pre Release CD for those who purchased the early bird Amiga's and then a free copy of the real CD will be released for those with the early bird systems.

Dead as a doornail. IIRC it began around the time of Milestone 9 or something, and nothing was ever released in public.

Besides, why do you ask on Slashdot?
Try a more specific site like ANN.lu or amiga.org.

(Or if you want to be fed with lies and hear everything's A-OK and you should send more money to "Amiga, Inc." in order to "support the community", then head over to AmigaIncOtherworldly.nuts)

I may be alittle bias, but i may not since i dont use Amiga's, but i did.

I did find it a little strange that the Amiga 1000 didnt make it into the 10 initially, how could someone over look this?

That machine was head and sholders above anything for its time and we can thank it today because it brought multimedia to us. It WAS the first multimieda computer, although it was mainly for games, the machine came with a powerful operating system that even today i still inuse by thousands of people. Thats no joke!

Check out the fan sites such as Amiga.org and AmigaWorld.net.

This was a computer made by love and upon opening the case and looking inside, you can see the signitures of each person that made the computer. Maybe not everyone, but certainly the more well known or more involved ones.

This is what google has to say about the Amiga A1000

Not bad, but this is cooler. And hell, it's an Amiga.

In case anyone didn't know yet, this is a troll. see here

OK, the sites I visit every day are:

Slashdot - my home page, visited several times per day.

The Register - also several times per day.

Amiga news sites, each visited once per day:
Amiga.org
AmigArt
Czech Amiga News

Online comics, each visited once per day:
Dilbert
Peanuts

That's all folks!

Oh, you mean something like this.

This might be difficult since the new Amigas have special Firmware, very closely related to the classic Amiga's "KICKSTART" roms.

My understanding is that the Firmware in the AmigaOne is not analagous to the "Kickstart" ROMs. The firmware is more like a BIOS and doesn't contain any of AmigaOS (see http://www.amiga.org/modules/news/article.php?item _id=1085 for more details) but the "Kickstart" ROMs were part of the OS, which will now be entirely on disk/CD.

Though, I do believe that it is planned that AmigaOS 4 will only run on authorised hardware which may make it harder to get it to get it to run on other hardware..

Here's an interesting thread on ex Amiga hardware guy Dave Haynie's views on the new Amiga stuff. Of course, everyone knows that the x86 instruction set's shite, but he says performance wise it's the only way to go (and wait for Itanium for a clean architecture).

Interesting points... Summary:

• OS in read only memory
• Booting applications or even full OS environments from removable media
• Cheap, yet powerful machines that are ultracompact, quiet and cool.

Something similar to this A600, perhaps? This fits nicely with my theory that the market for home computers (as oppsed to office computers transplanted to the home) never really went away. They just stopped being produced, for no very good reason.

Actually, MS did eventually release the source for Bars'n'Pipes, and it has undergone many modernising improvements since.

Have a look.

Here, for example. Hurry, before the janitors get to it.

I have found troll heaven!
Amiga.org - it's filled with the most gullible and easily irritated Amiga users, they don't have moderation, you can post inline pr0n pics, they don't have IP bans! W0000t! I love it!
Your IP is stored and shown to admins though, so use a proxy.

Well, despite the fact that the article was a flaming pile of twice-digested horse feces...

An Amiga (of 'classic' vintage) can play 3ivx files. I seem to recall a 68060 was reccommended (only available on accellerator cards), but I have a feeling playback could be tolerable (&GT 1FPS) on an '040, and it just might survive enough to show a Realplayer-on-a-Pentium-75-esque rendition on an '020, for severely small framesizes... We're talking MPEG-4, here, too.

So yes, it's indeed feasible, although perhaps not altogether practical.

You're welcome to have a look at Amiga.org or ANN to see some of the latest developments in the Amiga scene- ANN may be worse than JonKatz's postings, but the ATX PPC board is for real, and the lesser-specced, Amiga Inc.-sponsored board just might appear by next July..

1. The x86 version is, for the time being, going to be an emulated version, using a Linux kernel as its basis, so AmigaOS can be cold booted, with no underlying desktop OS, like other emulators. The advantage of this is speed: apparently the few benchmarks (on a Celeron 500) made public ran up to 1118x quicker than on the fastest 68060 'Classic' Amigas, and boot time on a Celeron 500 was about seven seconds, or so it has been said. Another advantage of this approach is hardware support (by relying on Linux drivers). Another is compatibility. Also there is the short time until release. Nobody was expecting this anouncement, and until it sinks in, I expect there will be some misunderstandings.

2. x86-AmigaOS apparently will be based on 3.9, and on the same day, OS 4.0 will be released for PPC (AmigaOne hardware) - ie - the latest release. The main purpose, as far as I can tell, of the x86 release is to attract former Amig owners back into the fold, without them having to shell out on a whole new system, until they are ready to so do. It is also another step towards the hardware independence scheduled for OS5.0. AmigaOS and AmigaDE will be combined, as will platform-specific versions. Another advantage is simply revenue: for little outlay, it has the potential to boost Amiga's income substantially.

3. Other important announcements were news of AmigaDE on three Sharp devices, including a mobile phone, AmigaDE on Psion's NetBook, a possible GameBoy Advance-type machine before Christmas, other content providers deals to be announced soon, and a deal with one of the world's largest wireless carriers. Place the emphasis where you choose, but it's generally good news nonetheless. There's other stuff as well, so have a look at Amiga.org for a start.

There's no doubt other stuff I haven't mentioned, but these are just a few thoughts that have occurred to me having read the news.

Amiga itself will have material available publicly by Wednesday.

All in all, a good day for Amiga news, IMO. I shall be buying x86-AmigaOS when it is available, as an interim step towards new hardware in the future.

Okay, I give up !

• 2001-02-16 20:33:30 PC Engines open sources 'tinyBIOS' (articles,programming) (rejected)
• 2001-03-22 21:57:10 Serious PGP security hole discovered ! (articles,Privacy) (rejected)
• 2001-03-28 18:09:28 The desktop is IN the desk... (articles,amiga) (rejected)

Can anyone please explain me why these articles got rejected ?

Why I post it to an article that is about strange "rebuilds" of computers ?

Because my article (number 3 in the list) I posted yesterday would have fittet exactly in here.

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There is also articles on
AmigArt
and
AmigaORG

Why does such a popular OpenSource site silence down a post about an OpenSource BIOS ? I mean, yes, there has been some stuff about OpenSource BIOS. But the number of OpenSource BIOS is so small, that any news is good news.
There is much more OpenSource OS than is OpenSource BIOS, so any chance is a big chance.

Why not post the security hole in PGP ? (while advertising T-Shirts ironically saying "I read your email" huahuuahahahaha.)

I give up., I will monitor any reaction, and then I might erase my Slashdor account (have to sleep over it). I get a form letter when contacting the webmaster. I get articles rejected (look at these pics above...I mean, this is really cool ! Much more "Geek" than a lame T-Shirt saying: "You suck!" in binary digits) I get the feeling what else might be withheld from us. Not by purpose, but...

Hey, anyone ever considered putting up a site, that shows all articles being rejected by the Slashdot Heinis ? Count me in ;-)

For those who still dont know how the new Amiga DE works, read this article. Believe me, this really works! This article refers to articles in the IBM Developerworks.

"One of the biggest questions I come up against when talking to people about the new Amiga platform, and specifically about Amiga's deals with Red Hat to be the multimedia platform for Red Hat Linux, is "Why does Linux need Amiga?" Tough question -- until today."

Read that in this article.

From the beginning, Red Hat was mentioned as a supporter of the Amiga platform, together with other companies like Corel. Even RenderWare is being mentioned and perhaps NewTek wanted to return to the Amiga platform.

For those who still dont know how the new Amiga DE works, read this article. Believe me, this really works! This article refers to articles in the IBM Developerworks.

"One of the biggest questions I come up against when talking to people about the new Amiga platform, and specifically about Amiga's deals with Red Hat to be the multimedia platform for Red Hat Linux, is "Why does Linux need Amiga?" Tough question -- until today."

Read that in this article.

From the beginning, Red Hat was mentioned as a supporter of the Amiga platform, together with other companies like Corel. Even RenderWare is being mentioned and perhaps NewTek wanted to return to the Amiga platform.

For those who still dont know how the new Amiga DE works, read this article. Believe me, this really works! This article refers to articles in the IBM Developerworks.

"One of the biggest questions I come up against when talking to people about the new Amiga platform, and specifically about Amiga's deals with Red Hat to be the multimedia platform for Red Hat Linux, is "Why does Linux need Amiga?" Tough question -- until today."

Read that in this article.

From the beginning, Red Hat was mentioned as a supporter of the Amiga platform, together with other companies like Corel. Even RenderWare is being mentioned and perhaps NewTek wanted to return to the Amiga platform.

For those who still dont know how the new Amiga DE works, read this article. Believe me, this really works! This article refers to articles in the IBM Developerworks.

"One of the biggest questions I come up against when talking to people about the new Amiga platform, and specifically about Amiga's deals with Red Hat to be the multimedia platform for Red Hat Linux, is "Why does Linux need Amiga?" Tough question -- until today."

Read that in this article.

From the beginning, Red Hat was mentioned as a supporter of the Amiga platform, together with other companies like Corel. Even RenderWare is being mentioned and perhaps NewTek wanted to return to the Amiga platform.

And yet another Lynuchs fR34k procures his very own share of ignorance. I mean, it's like trying to sell Windows2000 to some geek that thinks it's the updated version of Windows98... What's next in this world, a band of companies that join together to make Gnome stable/viable???

Bill McEwen's Banquet Speach

It's 13MB but worth the listen.

Now where'd I put that "light of day" at?

Please don't lump the Amiga and Atari ST together.

The Amiga was a *very* similar m68k-based unix-like platform to NeXT (except amiga had no true memory protection (big downer that, but it meant that the AmigaOS had near-realtime latencies and could use extremely fast message passing-by-reference to shunt data around.)).

At a fraction of the price, it was just marketed by complete buffoons. CBM management actually managed to screw up a deal for the amiga A3000UX to become the low end Sun (or was it DEC?) workstation, but the Amiga still managed to dominate the video producton industry for a decade, despite CBM marketing's repeated attempts to sell it as a "games computer" in toy stores.

The Amiga division was making a profit even as the parent company folded, but blithering-idiot CBM management continously pumped money out of amiga R&D and into marketing their over-hyped, under-specced CBM PC line.

There's still features from AmigaOS I miss on Linux, mainly to do with the way the filesystem works (Assigns and Device handlers to let you cd into TCP connections, shell archives, windows and the like), the extra "screen" layer of UI abstraction that Enlightenment tries to emulate (the Rasterman is an ex-Amiga hacker), the system-wide REXX scripting, the way applications didn't spread themselves across about 10 different directories, and a load of other little niggling things, many of which are available as patches and add-ons into Linux, but on the Amiga, they all worked together seamlessly.

The same can not really be said of the ST.

The ST was kludged together from off-the-shelf parts in a cynical business decision by Atari, after CBM bought Amiga out from under their noses.

Please see www.blizzard.u-net.com/AtoZ/history .html
for a history of the amiga, www.amiga.org for amiga news, and www.amiga.com for information about the Tao/Amiga Virtual Processor technology.

A good format although optimised for planar displays rather than the chunky pixels most of us use today. Anyone know a browser that supports these? (presumably referring to amiga IFF Anim 7)

Well, Netscape 4.x on Linux can, and will even render them in-page, with the Xanim netscape plugin (included with Mandrake 7 as /usr/lib/netscape/plugins/xanim.so).

I would guess that the Amiga browsers (Voyager, IBrowse, AWeb) also could, through Amiga DataTypes.

Actually, the Amiga was clever about scrolling - the scanlines didn't have to be contiguous in memory, every line (in fact, every group of 8 or 16 horizontal pixels) could come from a different memory location. That's because it had a 3-instruction (MOVE, WAIT, SKIP) beam-synchronised co-processor called the Copper.

Thus, to implement scrolling, rather than copying memory, you just said "change the bitplane pointers to display one line further down at this display coordinate (in fact AGA amigas also had 1/4 pixel positioning for sub-pixel super smooth scrolling.)

It's a quite different programming paradigm, and it's why the Amiga versions of all those old 2D games like Sensible soccer, lemmings, etc, all scroll much better on a 7MHz A500 than a 200Mhz Pentium, and it's why the Amiga, rebadged as the NewTek Video Toaster was king of the mid-range video and animation world for years.

At one stage , a company called Phase 5 produced a Vaporware plan to produce an Amiga successor, in which every pixel could come from an arbitrary memory location.

As an aside, the amiga also had another custom subsystem, the blitter (Block Image Transfer) which shovelled rectangular areas around memory, somewhat like the 2D-acceleration that PC cards came up with some time later, and it did hw-accelerated line drawing and flood fill operations too.

The intersting thing was that the Copper, Blitter and CPU could all trigger CPU interrupts, the Copper could trigger the Blitter, the Blitter and CPU could operate on memory that stored CPU and Copper programs (the Amiga had a unified memory architecture). Thus, you could make really insane self-modifying programs, once you stepped outside the bounds of the operating system - which is why Amiga Demo coders came up with such wierd effects (well, that and the acid.)

The Amiga OS is hardly dead, it's still being actively developed, in two main streams:

1. a next-gen distributed architecture based on the Tao VM (think of it as a language-agnostic generalised VM a bit like Java, but that can run on real hardware too).

2. the "classic" Amiga OS was extended to PowerPC with WarpOS (no relation to OS/2) microkernel. This allowed the user community to use more modern hardware, such as G3 accelerators, and 3D gfx cards.

The Amiga OS design, in the form of AROS - the "Amiga Research OS", which recently received blessing from Amiga itself, also lives on.

For more amiga info, go to www.amiga.org

The amiga stuff is seriously inaccurate on that page (execpt for it being a UNIX-like system)- for decent amiga stuff, go to www.amiga.org

- A.P.
--

"One World, one Web, one Program" - Microsoft promotional ad

Yes, I WILL believe it when I see it, but until then I think it's more pipe dreams and vapourware. Amiga Inc. is heading in the right direction, they just desperately need to pick up speed and start getting somewhere. The market ... or what shreds are left of it ... have seen too much shit to keep sucking back on empty promises.

Amiga News is a handy place to get the latest scoop on what's going down in the Amiga market... though Slashdot these days is starting to become a close second or third! :^)

bits that made my system:

http://www.eagle-cp.com/

http://www.phase5.de/

http://www.blittersoft.com/

http://www.powerc.com/

http://www.white-knight.freeserve.co.uk/

check out the amiga sections of

http://www.cucug.org/

http://www.amiga.org/

for american dealers

How much ? Not cheap - but it's been spread out over the years...