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Oh and before I forget. Even old archeology was aware that Greenland had been much warmer in the past, all due to NATURAL climate variation
http://archive.archaeology.org...

Perhaps instead of insulting people based on what little you know you could instead learn and apply the Scientific Method to your reasoning, and look at ALL the evidence of paleoclimate changes. Remember ANY evidence against a theory is sufficient to falsify it - but it depends on whether you care about doing science using the Scientific Method, or want to deny the observational evidence and cling to an anti-scientific cult of climate catastrophe.

Greenland was much warmer in the past than it is today. I am only telling you the truth about the archeology.
http://archive.archaeology.org...

In addition to reading this I suggest you look up the rate of stalactite formation in sites as far away as Oman and New Zealand. The 'Greenland only' talking point you have doesn't match the observed evidence.

Have you never considered that perhaps you don't have all the data? have you ever considered that the people you disagree with are simply using the Scientific Method better than you are, and looking at a much wider range of observational evidence? have you ever considered that the computer simulations of predicted change may not match reality? that perhaps the climate 'scientists' did not understand Bode's feedback model at all? (the last one is a test of how well you understand the physics, and whether you understand the fundamental errors in the computer simulations or not - perhaps something for you to research, yes?).

Greenland was warmer in the past and got a lot colder. Perhaps instead of insulting what you presume about my knowledge you could spent milliseconds Googling the history of the land. For example, the following proves my case, Greenland was much warmer in the past than it is today, read this
http://archive.archaeology.org...

Why do you feel the need to insult a stranger when they are telling you the truth? would you rather cling to the lies that the powers-that-be feed you? use the Scientific Method, please.

It's not Man Made GW. Things have been warming up for about 10,000 years. Even recently, Venice in the 1300s were trying to keep the Adriatic out. We're discovering villages in Greenland that were under the ice - when the ice came in about 600 years ago. We're really going back to more where we should have been.

http://archive.archaeology.org...
Lots of more examples, however if you're not open to facts it won't matter anyhow I've found. Nothing seems to.

Ever take a look at the globe? A real look? The US is green, if you look at a real picture it's the most green in the world. The US actually did conservation. Most of the rest of it looks like desert. So they came out with PC pictures. Show South America, Asia, Africa much greener than they really are They lie to us even there.

Seems like so much of what we get in "news" is really a lie. Doesn't matter which source.

It's really a shame, what man has done. How man won't listen. Collectively humans seem to act about like a 7 year old.

It's actually pretty easy to identify beer-brewing vats, they contain partially or almost fully carbonized starchy residue with embedded grains of fermented barley at the bottom.

Do you actually believe scientists are going t join together in a vast cabal to deceive people about AGW for research grants?

Academic deception for money? Not speculation. It's fact. There is a lot of good research done, however it seems that is almost the exception now.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8360667/Millions-of-surgery-patients-at-risk-in-drug-research-fraud-scandal.html
http://www.socialnomics.net/2012/06/07/the-10-biggest-research-scandals-in-academic-history/
Well I could go on and on and on. Even in personal experience when I was an academic in the 1980s. Worse, a lot of these "studies" make their way into Congress and sometimes laws are passed on completely made up data and results (aka bullshit). Then they have to go back later and fix the law, if the guy that introduced the bill is man enough to admit they were deceived. A good example of this is the decision around recycling nuclear waste. Jimmy Carter passed a policy to not do it based on shoddy scientific studies saying that nobody else in the world would do it if we didn't do it. Of course the rest of the world isn't that stupid. Yet we are still stuck with this idea even though Reagan reversed it in the first month of his Presidency - so why don't we do it (while the rest of the world does)? They don't want to admit they were wrong. Same thing with economic models even though proof that it's wrong is abundant throughout the world. Greece for example - where the US is headed.

Brass tacks - it's a fact that things have been warming up. We know Venecians were trying to keep the Adriatic out in the 1300s. The sea was rising all the way back then well before we were industrialized. We also know we're coming out of a little ice age. Indeed, as the ice melts in Greenland they are finding the settlements that were there until about 500 years ago.
http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland/

I know, don't confuse things with facts. I often hate to say anything because this is close to being a religion. A non believer - might as well be before the Spanish Inquisition. To be clear, things are warming up. Man is almost certainly not responsible.

My name is David Leon Emery. I've always wondered how things like the pyramids were build

Ramps? Ropes and sledges?

There will be no future archaeologists. How can they assume a huge cultural discontinuity that would require archaeology?
The only reason we have any archaeology is because people didn't write anything down.

I can find out precisely when a building was built, sold, and how many times it was repaired, just by visiting the online city hall archives.
Not only that, I can get a map of my city for every century, and then some. Everything that ever happened here since God knows when. Like 1850 or so? I can get a list of all the people that lived in any given place since the 16th century, when the Church started keeping track of baptismal records. Online.

The broad outlines may be written down, but a remarkable amount can be lost in a short time. Here is an example of an 18th-c. cemetery in NYC that nobody knew was there. Here is an article discussing 19th-c. finds in San Francisco. The Steamboat Arabia in the Kansas City area wasn't forgotten, but it was lost for well over a century; when it was finally excavated the artifacts within gave a great deal of previously unkown information about pioneer life. This isn't exactly ancient Rome we're talking about! Even events within living memory often require archaeological techniques to fill in the historical gaps.

There will be no future archaeologists. How can they assume a huge cultural discontinuity that would require archaeology?
The only reason we have any archaeology is because people didn't write anything down.

I can find out precisely when a building was built, sold, and how many times it was repaired, just by visiting the online city hall archives.
Not only that, I can get a map of my city for every century, and then some. Everything that ever happened here since God knows when. Like 1850 or so? I can get a list of all the people that lived in any given place since the 16th century, when the Church started keeping track of baptismal records. Online.

The broad outlines may be written down, but a remarkable amount can be lost in a short time. Here is an example of an 18th-c. cemetery in NYC that nobody knew was there. Here is an article discussing 19th-c. finds in San Francisco. The Steamboat Arabia in the Kansas City area wasn't forgotten, but it was lost for well over a century; when it was finally excavated the artifacts within gave a great deal of previously unkown information about pioneer life. This isn't exactly ancient Rome we're talking about! Even events within living memory often require archaeological techniques to fill in the historical gaps.

There will be no future archaeologists. How can they assume a huge cultural discontinuity that would require archaeology?
The only reason we have any archaeology is because people didn't write anything down.

I can find out precisely when a building was built, sold, and how many times it was repaired, just by visiting the online city hall archives.
Not only that, I can get a map of my city for every century, and then some. Everything that ever happened here since God knows when. Like 1850 or so? I can get a list of all the people that lived in any given place since the 16th century, when the Church started keeping track of baptismal records. Online.

The broad outlines may be written down, but a remarkable amount can be lost in a short time. Here is an example of an 18th-c. cemetery in NYC that nobody knew was there. Here is an article discussing 19th-c. finds in San Francisco. The Steamboat Arabia in the Kansas City area wasn't forgotten, but it was lost for well over a century; when it was finally excavated the artifacts within gave a great deal of previously unkown information about pioneer life. This isn't exactly ancient Rome we're talking about! Even events within living memory often require archaeological techniques to fill in the historical gaps.

Here is a interesting article about the design of the 6502, on archeology.org of all places.

But you already knew it was archeology.org, didn’t you?

*) So far "sometimes" is "always". If you want to claim that this time is different, there would need to be a substantial burden of proof on your part.

There's a selection bias here: if it were different - if we'd failed to get said technical developments in time - we would not be here now. Most cultures didn't, and disappeared. As for a particular example, look at the history of the norse settlers in Greenland; that's a culture that failed to adapt their technology to changing conditions and died out to the last man. For an example of man-made ecological disaster wiping out a civilization, look at Eastern Island.

Basically, every one of your ancestors managed to breed before dying, but that doesn't mean that all of us necessarily will. As for evidence that this time will be different, just look at the economic chaos that strikes every time oil prices hike. Now imagine that the price tends towards infinity; what do you think will happen?

Old news....

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/hierakonpolis/zombies.html

http://www.archaeology.org/online/interviews/zombies/

Old news....

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/hierakonpolis/zombies.html

http://www.archaeology.org/online/interviews/zombies/

So, you are now relying on imagined funeral rites to explain the lack of skeletal evidence from a civilization of which you have no other evidence either?

I'm relying on the idea that such a group probably wouldn't dump their dead into tar pits as a general rule.

So, you wouldn't recognize carved stone? Or metal? No one in your hypothetical civilization cut a gem, or built a massive city? No subways? No basements? No plastics? No analogues to Cheyenne Mountain? We can somehow find stone tools from millions of years ago, but a whole advanced civilization somehow evaporated?

That's exactly right, you wouldn't recognise carved stone after its been ground to rubble under tens of millions of years of geology. I don't think you really understand what happens over geological time scales.

So, let me follow your logic. We have some extinctions which are clearly due to outside events. We have some that are not yet understood. We are causing one ourselves right now. Therefore, it's plausible that an advanced civilization of which there isn't the slightest shred of evidence can be plugged in as a cause.

I think you might be underestimating the amount of extinction events there actually were. Here are more than twenty that we know of... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_event

Bring something other than wild speculation and ad hoc reasoning to the table, and people will likely find it a lot more worthy of discussion. Until then, it's an amusing story, but nothing else.

And that was the point flying right by you.

Ask yourself this - how much of the biodiversity of the ancient world have we actually recovered in the fossil record? One percent? One percent of one percent? It takes a pretty specialised set of conditions to create fossils, and it would suprise me not at all to find that funerary rites are not conducive to those.

So, you are now relying on imagined funeral rites to explain the lack of skeletal evidence from a civilization of which you have no other evidence either?

As for the rest, what materials do you imagine would survive? Anything from say ten million years in the past would be indistinguishable from the surrounding strata.

So, you wouldn't recognize carved stone? Or metal? No one in your hypothetical civilization cut a gem, or built a massive city? No subways? No basements? No plastics? No analogues to Cheyenne Mountain? We can somehow find stone tools from millions of years ago, but a whole advanced civilization somehow evaporated?

And a measureable impact - there were many extinction events of various levels in the history of the earth, and by no means are all or even the majority of them satisfactorarily explained. I would add to that the note that we are right now in the midst of a massive reduction in biodiversity due to our own advanced civilisation.

So, let me follow your logic. We have some extinctions which are clearly due to outside events. We have some that are not yet understood. We are causing one ourselves right now. Therefore, it's plausible that an advanced civilization of which there isn't the slightest shred of evidence can be plugged in as a cause.

I don't expect anyone to take that hypothesis seriously.

Done.

I do expect people to entertain the possibility without pouring scorn left right and centre.

Bring something other than wild speculation and ad hoc reasoning to the table, and people will likely find it a lot more worthy of discussion. Until then, it's an amusing story, but nothing else.

You may also wish to read these articles:

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/hierakonpolis/zombies.html

http://www.archaeology.org/online/interviews/zombies/

You may also wish to read these articles:

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/hierakonpolis/zombies.html

http://www.archaeology.org/online/interviews/zombies/

Most things that are claimed to be uniquely human are just more sophisticated versions of what other intelligent animals can do. As you point out birds (and chimps) have primative tool designing abilities. Birds and chimps also make elaborate nests by collecting and assembling parts, chimp nests are a kind of bed they build in a tree to sleep at night.

Russia just isn't a prime location for zombies. If you want to find zombies, try these articles for starting points:

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/hierakonpolis/zombies.html

http://www.archaeology.org/online/interviews/zombies/

Russia just isn't a prime location for zombies. If you want to find zombies, try these articles for starting points:

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/hierakonpolis/zombies.html

http://www.archaeology.org/online/interviews/zombies/

1994. Hmm, this might be a better description.

It doesn't help the debate when people like you give arguments like this, which is obviously ridiculous.

I think, you missed a good opportunity to show, what's so "ridiculous" about my argument. There really are lost cities there.

Also Sahara became a desert in only a few millenia (if not centuries) — also a drastic climate change, that can not be pinned on the evil industrialization.

If you think this comparison is valid you must also disagree with the fact the carbon emissions are correlated to the amount of fossil fuel being burned

And I must also disagree with the Earth being round...

You should have stayed in school.

Is that what you did, professor?

The mechanics of lifting or moving 60 tons simply can't be explained using modern science without completely rejecting the precepts of the field

Bullshit.

Can. Meet Will Be. And this is her sister Should Be.

Oldest stone tools are millions of years old.
Can we still use them for hunting or whatever? Sure.
Should we still use them? Depends on the situation.
Would we still use them? Highly unlikely if there is anything a bit more modern at hand. Like a stick.

In another 50-100 years we ourselves may not be able to read those audio messages we sent out to space on those golden records.
Whose recording may outlive most of today's CDs and DVDs. Should we still be using turntables to listen to our records instead of MP3 players?
Highly unlikely.

Same with the billion-year nano-memory.
Read-Write interface may become obsolete in under a decade, but if by chance we need a really REALLY long term memory bank - the data will still be there.
Just attach the particulars for building the Read-Write interface on the packaging and make the packaging something sturdy - like gold, stone, crystal, diamonds...

What? Why is everyone looking at me like that?

Wait until someone clones it. It'll be the next craze in restaurants!

Imagine the menu...

Neanderthal Ribs
Slow roasted to perfection, covered in thick Neanderthal broth, fries, and a side.

I believe it is not a meaningless coincidence that the neanderthals disappeared not long after "modern humans" acquired the technology of the spear launcher."

The problem here is that while there's a fair reason to believe that spear throwers appeared about 30,000 years ago, the oldest specimens are found in Africa, where there never were any Neanderthals. We have no evidence that they were used in Europe prior to 15,000 years ago, so it's rather unlikely that they'd have been a factor in the disappearance of Neanderthals.

"No definite specimens younger than 30,000 years ago have been found [wikipedia.org]."

This highlights how trusting what Wikipedia says about anything can lead one to misplaced conclusions, because as this quote from Archaeology, published by the Archaological Institute of America notes, some Vindija remains have been recently and definitively dated to 28,500 years ago, which puts them at the same age as ones that have also been definitively dated at 28,500 years from the Zafaraya cave in Southern Spain:

http://www.archaeology.org/online/news/neandernews.html
(look in the section titled "You Look So Young", although there's plenty of other interesting stuff in there that you might like to look at).

"And wouldn't you know it, as soon as we were able to kill them when we are out of range as their spears, coexistence abruptly stops."

It would I think have been rather difficult for Africans to build spear throwers with enough range to reach Neanderthals who were living in Europe.

Interesting supplement to this thread, albeit a tad old: "Neandertal DNA July 29, 1997 by Mark Rose" http://www.archaeology.org/online/news/dna.html The research focussed on the mtDNA (mitochondrial DNA) and says in part: "If Neandertals made a significant genetic contribution to modern humans, similarities should exist between DNA of Neandertals and that of people from Europe, where the Neandertals persisted the longest. PÃÃbo and his colleagues compared the Neandertal DNA to that from five modern populations, but it proved no closer to DNA from modern Europeans than to that from four other groups. While this does not rule out the possibility of Neandertal and modern human mixing, it suggests that the Neandertal genetic contribution to modern gene pools, if any, was small."

Eh, we already know the zombies are most likely to come from Hierakonpolis.

"Any idea before it's economically practical again, as it was in the Viking times?"

Sea levels around Greenland are already higher than they were during Viking times, hence the fact that some of their settlements are now partially underwater. It should also be noted that the place wasn't very economically viable during the warmest part of the Early Mediaeval Warm Period; it only had around 5,000 inhabitants at its height, and archaeological evidence shows that the ecosystem wasn't capable of sustaining them for very long, because their cattle caused significant amounts of topsoil erosion through overgrazing.

An pleasantly concise article which shows that there was far more to the rather tragic end of the Greenland Vikings than climate change is here:

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland

I hope it helps to answer some of your questions.

"Early people might have moved south from the Bering Strait by following a chain of small ice-free areas that existed along the outer Pacific coast," Knut Fladmark, a professor of archaeology at Simon Fraser University in British Columbia, told me by e-mail. "Many of those areas would now be underwater."

In 1997, Daryl Fedje, an archaeologist with the Canadian parks system, found a stone tool at a site now 160 feet under water off the coast of British Columbia. The artifact, 10,200 years old, shows that people once lived on that submerged land, Fedje says.

It will take more such discoveries to advance the theory of Ice Age ocean migration. But with affirmation of the discoveries at Monte Verde, Chile -- no bones, but plenty of artifacts, the old Clovis founding dates have died.

If you enjoy understated, dry humor, go read the article. It's wonderful.

"While it is an attractive idea, no serious archaeologist would hang their fedora on it without further evidence." Sure; every serious archaeologist wears an Indiana Jones hat, goes without saying.

"Overall, those with cut marks represent less than 4% of the cemetery's population. Thus, one might suggest that the threat of zombification was relatively low, and those manifesting the disease were dealt with swiftly (though in some cemeteries evidence for cannibalism has also been found suggesting that one or two got a good meal first)." It goes on to suggest that the need for swift anti-zombie action may have led to the early invention of government by kings.

If zombies re-emerge as a threat in modern times: "Almost certainly the first sign of infection will come from the Hierakonpolis team. [...] The unfortunate side effect of the infection starting within this specialized group of researchers is that they are generally the least squeamish about decapitation duty. I know for a fact that Sean Dougherty, a physical anthropologist with extensive experience at the site, wouldn't hesitate to lop off the head of any member of the team at any time, and for any reason."

Go read it!

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/hierakonpolis/zombies.html

steveha

The Viking colony on Greenland survived for around 500 years. The causes of the failure of the Viking colony are diverse: a mixture of economic problems (the rise of the Hanseatic League for example), over-farming, and, yes, climate change. But the reason that climate change had an impact was as much to do with the conservative Viking culture as it was the difficulty of the conditions. The Inuit were able to live there long after the Viking colony died out, but the Vikings refused to adopt Inuit technologies that might have helped them to survive.

It's true that the name was a bit of a PR gimmick. The vikings did farm in Greenland though and, as the link shows, the climate changed and a farming life could no longer be maintained. There were other factors to be sure but eventually the climate did the settlers in.
http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/greenla nd/

The "Eve" you're talking about was not discovered but hypothized, and I don't know, where from you got the 9000 years figure. Care to provide a link? Meanwhile here are two easily googlable updates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Eve, http://www.archaeology.org/9609/abstracts/dna.html .

From your Wikipedia link:

It should be noted that Stott's 2003 work mentioned in the model section above largely revised his assessment, and found a significant solar contribution to recent warming, although still smaller than that of the green house gases

You seem to be far more certain about your claims than the scientific community.

(PS: The Vikings still held cattle on Greenland. Try doing that today)

What this shows is that there was likely interbreeding between the ancestor line of humans and the ancestor line of chimpanzees

Given that there is some thought that our ancestors and Neandertals interbred, I think that this at least proves that humans are the most successful species on the planet. The most successful at shagging anything that moves and has two legs, anyway.

It also proves how little has changed in four million years. When the bars close, anyway.

I like how you take the skepticism of a few experts, posit that all experts believed that, and promptly conclude that all experts cannot be trusted on anything.

I would also like to conclude with a quote from the archaeologist concerned, from http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanag ic/index.html:

"Ordinary watchmakers repair our watches and put them into accordance with Earthly time. It is my theory that the Maya should be considered watchmakers of the cosmos whose mission it is to adjust the Earthly frequency and bring it into accordance with the vibrations of our Sun. Once the Earth begins to vibrate in harmony with the Sun, information will be able to travel in both directions without limitation. And then we will be able to understand why all ancient peoples worshipped the Sun and dedicated their rituals to this. The Sun is the source of all life on this planet and the source of all information and knowledge. ...And with a frequency in harmony, the Earth will, via the Sun, be connected with the center of our Galaxy. These facts become exceptionally important when we realize that we are rapidly approaching December 2012, a date which the Maya have marked as the time of arrival of the Galactic Energy Cluster which will enlighten us."

The article on Archeology today comments that his excavation is quite possibly going to destroy a lot of other legitimately valuable sites.

From the article on http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanag ic/:

Others fear that Osmanagic's excavations will damage real sites (the hill he calls the "Pyramid of the Sun" is said to have medieval, Roman, and Illyrian remains on it). In one of the few critical accounts of the Bosnian pyramid story, which appeared in the Art Newspaper, the University of Sarejevo's Enver Imamovic, a former director of the National Museum in Sarjevo, is quoted as saying, "This is the equivalent of letting me, an archaeologist, perform surgery in hospitals."

So we might be losing quite a bit while we wait for this guy to prove or disprove his theory.

It's completely uncredible. The "archeologist" behind this claims that it was built by descendents of Atlantis, who themselves came from the Pleiades.

Debunking here.

To sum up the bleow article:
1.When he claims these pyramids were build, the area was under a glacier.
2.The 15 years studing pyramids, were concocting crazy ideas about Alantis.

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanag ic/

Read on http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanag ic/ :

"In the sacred Mayan book, the Popul Vuh, there are descriptions of cosmic travelers, the use of the compass, the fact that the Earth is round, and **knowledge of the secrets of the universe**...."

They can count to 42 ! OMG PYRAMIDS !

For an example of his unique theories, here's an excerpt from his book, "The World of the Maya":

Ordinary watchmakers repair our watches and put them into accordance with Earthly time. It is my theory that the Maya should be considered watchmakers of the cosmos whose mission it is to adjust the Earthly frequency and bring it into accordance with the vibrations of our Sun. Once the Earth begins to vibrate in harmony with the Sun, information will be able to travel in both directions without limitation. And then we will be able to understand why all ancient peoples worshipped the Sun and dedicated their rituals to this. The Sun is the source of all life on this planet and the source of all information and knowledge. ...And with a frequency in harmony, the Earth will, via the Sun, be connected with the center of our Galaxy. These facts become exceptionally important when we realize that we are rapidly approaching December 2012, a date which the Maya have marked as the time of arrival of the Galactic Energy Cluster which will enlighten us.

The Bosnia-Atlantis Connection - Frenzied reporting of supposed pyramids in the Balkans ignores the truth and embraces the fantastic.

See this: http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanag ic/

According to the article, Osmanagic is a "self-described archaeologist, who believes the Maya and others are descended from Atlanteans who came from the Pleiades".

It's startling that reporters aren't more skeptical about claims of pyramids larger than the Egyptian ones from 12000 BC.

The sad thing is that he's raised a lot of money with this hoax and with his dig he's going to destroy a log of real artifacts from a far less spectacular historical period (Roman ruins).

no, not the ones for the Peach State.

From the on line version of the magazine 'Archeology' (published by the Archaeological Institute of America):
http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanag ic/index.html

'Frenzied reporting of supposed pyramids in the Balkans ignores the truth and embraces the fantastic.'

RTFA, it will do you some good.

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanag ic/

Sorry fellas, he's just another nutjob:

http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanag ic/
"Too bad that it is not a credible story at all. In fact, it is impossible. Who is the "archaeologist" who has taken the media for a ride? Why did the media not check the story more carefully? ARCHAEOLOGY will address these questions in depth in our next issue, July/August, but for now let's at least put the lie to the claims emanating from Visoko, the town 20 miles northwest of Sarajevo where the "Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun" is located."

Read on about his wacky book, and it becomes clear the media's not doing their job. AGAIN!

Yeah this link was on Fark last Friday:
http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanag ic/

This passage in the link above from one of his other masterpieces pretty much sums it up:
Ordinary watchmakers repair our watches and put them into accordance with Earthly time. It is my theory that the Maya should be considered watchmakers of the cosmos whose mission it is to adjust the Earthly frequency and bring it into accordance with the vibrations of our Sun. Once the Earth begins to vibrate in harmony with the Sun, information will be able to travel in both directions without limitation. And then we will be able to understand why all ancient peoples worshipped the Sun and dedicated their rituals to this. The Sun is the source of all life on this planet and the source of all information and knowledge. ...And with a frequency in harmony, the Earth will, via the Sun, be connected with the center of our Galaxy. These facts become exceptionally important when we realize that we are rapidly approaching December 2012, a date which the Maya have marked as the time of arrival of the Galactic Energy Cluster which will enlighten us.

Pretty strong meat there from Semir (Sam) Osmanagic...

this story is utterly false and the dude who discovered it is a crazy. Here is a link with handy details. http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanag ic/