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Not only that but you can get an ATI All-in-Wonder such as the 9600XT
http://www.ati.com/products/radeon9600/aiw9600xt/f eatures.html

It features the time shifting and scheduling of radio recordings and you can save them in MP3 format.

Not to mention it is a fairly decent video card and has TV tuning abilities as well.

As I can see it, the only possible advantage the RadioShark might have is AM tuning, for many people that isn't an issue though.

You're right, but link to the right product. The 8500 AIW DV is different from the 8500 AIW.

http://www.ati.com/products/radeon8500/aiwradeon85 00dv/specs.html

http://www.ati.com/products/radeon8500/aiwradeon85 00/faq.html says you are wrong, with Windows Me/2000/XP support:

Direct Quote -
Q5: What operating systems does the ALL-IN-WONDER® RADEON® 8500 support?

A5: The ALL-IN-WONDER® RADEON® 8500 supports Windows® Me, Windows ® 2000 and Windows ® XP.

Do some research before spouting off like an idiot.

DV is 6:1

No!

Great now you'll have to include 60 MB of IDL code to run any program.

The .Net redistributable runtime is 23MB. .NET is loved by managers who think they can dumb down their server side code so any H1-B can do it, that's about it.

Please explain how .Net is "dumbed down," I'm not quite sure what that is supposed to mean.

Nobody even uses .NET for desktop apps

Just because you haven't seen it for yourself doesn't mean that nobody is doing it. If anything it just demonstrates that you have had limited real-world experience in programming.
You must still be in school.

Just one recent example, ATI's latest Catalyst Control Center is written on .Net.

Please note that I purchased NVidia hardware (and discarded the OEM ATI equipment) because ATI do not support Windows 2003 either: http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4227.html

Uhhh if your drooling - why don't you actually download the thing - or at least CS: S beta. I was pretty happy to find out that my coupon gave me the ability to download the little bundle package that they have for sale, and considering I never played opposing force, getting it and HL2 on release day is a pretty fair deal.

Those with ATI cards and coupons shoudl visit http://ati.com/online/hl2 and check out that bundle because on release day you lose that "This will tide them over we hope" extras pack.

http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2546404 ATI has had this card out for a while. I don't own it, but I do have one of their regular all-in wonder cards. I've got no problems recording and time shifting video.

On another note, many people have been talking about cable companies scrambling their HDTV cable channels. These cards aren't for receiving digital cable HDTV channels; they are for receiving OVER THE AIR HDTV broadcast channels (as well as regular analog cable channels).

In 1988 I had a system with an ATI EGA Wonder 800 card. This card could do 800x600 in 16 colors, which was significantly beyond what the equivalent Macintosh hardware could do, which was 1 bit monochrome in 512x384. This card was nothing special.

The first color Mac was introduced in 1987, and the second model (IIx) didn't come out until September 1988. Incidentally my system was about $700. The Macintosh II would have run close to $4k in that time frame. The max resolution was 640x480x256. Of course, you could just as easily have bought a VGA card that supported high resolutions, if cost were no object. Virtually no one owned the above - let's compare apples to apples. (heh heh)

Where does this 'square pixel' shit come from? Because at low resolutions they were blocky looking? That applied to both a Macintosh and clone PC. Are you trying to imply that Macintoshes had round pixels. Please...continue...entertain me.

Most Macintoshes had sucky video compared to PCs, the IBM compatible systems just didn't know what to do with it.

System 7 was a buggy piece of shit and didn't settle down for a long time. You're welcome to it. I liked 6.0.x - or 7.5.3, far better. By the time 8 came around, I gave up on Macintoshes.

GEOS for the PC was released in November 1990, sadly after Windows 3.0, which had already taken over the PC GUI world by then.

Bzzzzt. You lose on the facts, dude. Mac zealot.

Not to mention there was no MultiSync until 1985, and no EGA Wonder until 1987.

I was able to get a few more frames by toying around with some settings. Open your DoomConfig.cfg file and look for:
seta image_cacheMegs "32"

If you have a newer video card you can move the number up. I have a 9800XT and got it up to 96. Anything more than that and I start loosing preformance. The beta Radeon driver also helped a little bit.

Of course to top it all off Intel claims that all of its bus technology is "proprietary", this is why nVidia hasn't made an nForce chipset for the P4 yet. AMD on the other hand has a much more open policy and actively encourages 3rd party motherboard and chipset makers. A policy which has worked very well for AMD to date.

Here are some current examples:
ATI RADEON 9100 PRO IGP
SiS SiS648FX
VIA PT800
ALi M1681

I don't know why NVIDIA doesn't make nForce chipsets for the P4. Maybe NVIDIA doesn't want to compete with Intel in making chipsets

... a top of the line PC IS going to cost you 3k, and it's still going to lag in the FSB. Even if a few other components are faster.

My workstation gives me:

Optical in and out, headphone jacks (front and back), three USB 2.0 jacks, two Firewire 400 jacks, one firewire 800 jack, gigabit ethernet, bluetooth capability, wireless capability, three PCI-X slots, and AGP. One standard 40-pin IDE bus and two SATA connections.

On. The. Motherboard.

Oh, and it's dual 64-bit.

How much does a dual 64-bit amd box with all that bling on the motherboard go for these days?

Hell, I could hit the three grand point on a PC box just by getting one with a decent workstation video card in it. ;-) Oh, and if I'm building a PC to last, it's gonna be SCSI. Wasn't an option on my G5, though I've no complaints about SATA. SCSI drives the cost up considerably (as well as the MTBF! :D)

Admittedly, you can spank a G4 quite handily for ~1200$ these days, and maybe get most of the motherboard stuff.

You'll also get more internal expandability- drives, optical, etceteras. And you'll also be needing it. :P

I just use my Remote Wonder to control iTunes. It has the added benefit of also controlling everything else on my mac; makes a perfect DVD remote, handles changing channels on my TV card, and can even be used to play games. Of course, the only things I use it for when not in the same room is iTunes and sleeping the computer.

None of the Radeon cards are HDTV capable.

Wrong. I can back up what I say.

There is one AIW that can capture ATSC, many if not all 9xxx series Radeons and higher can output 1080i.

ATI HDTV Component Adapter

then extended to owners of Counter-Strike: Condition Zero

Alright, I bought CS:CZ. But explain this

What about the people that have already registered their Half Life 2 CD-Keys from the ATI graphics card bundle with steam?

Am I alone in thinking that would be the most logical people to extend it out to first?

I have a TV-Wonder PCI in my new Linux box. It works flawlessly with the kernel drivers (V4L's bttv). I use tvtimes as the tuner software. Both of these beat ATI's drivers and software. Really, tvtimes supports a buttload of features that ATI's MMC does not have (XDS (channel/show information), fine tuning, output filters, etc...), and no licensing bullshit. As for the drivers, I guess since they are already in the kernel, they didn't bother writing any. They even recommend it!

I say ATI is the one that hasn't a chance.

I harware encoding is available on some AIW products. The 9600 has it.
If you goto ati's site and use thier 'product compare' feature it shows 9600 and higher as doing encoding with hardware. But not all AIW radeon models are available to compare.

Mycroft

I'd be curious to know when this review was written. The review date given is July 3rd 2004, but it states "The driver CD comes with CATALYST 4.0, RemoteWonder 1.6, MMC 8.1 and an up to date version of ATI's DVD decoder. 4.4, 2.3 and 9.0 are available respectively, so a quick trip to ATI's website will get you current."

The current Catalyst version is 4.6 (posted on June 9th, almost a month ago), and i think with the average time between Catalyst releases being around a month (i'm sure someone can correct me if i'm wrong - probably loudly, and with much flaming) that would make the review a month or two old... (and there are newer versions of RemoteWonder (2.3.0.1 posted 3/19/04) and MMC (9.1, posted 06/24/04) as well.)

And yes, i'm well aware i'm being difficult, pedantic and/or contrary.

I'd be curious to know when this review was written. The review date given is July 3rd 2004, but it states "The driver CD comes with CATALYST 4.0, RemoteWonder 1.6, MMC 8.1 and an up to date version of ATI's DVD decoder. 4.4, 2.3 and 9.0 are available respectively, so a quick trip to ATI's website will get you current."

The current Catalyst version is 4.6 (posted on June 9th, almost a month ago), and i think with the average time between Catalyst releases being around a month (i'm sure someone can correct me if i'm wrong - probably loudly, and with much flaming) that would make the review a month or two old... (and there are newer versions of RemoteWonder (2.3.0.1 posted 3/19/04) and MMC (9.1, posted 06/24/04) as well.)

And yes, i'm well aware i'm being difficult, pedantic and/or contrary.

I'd be curious to know when this review was written. The review date given is July 3rd 2004, but it states "The driver CD comes with CATALYST 4.0, RemoteWonder 1.6, MMC 8.1 and an up to date version of ATI's DVD decoder. 4.4, 2.3 and 9.0 are available respectively, so a quick trip to ATI's website will get you current."

The current Catalyst version is 4.6 (posted on June 9th, almost a month ago), and i think with the average time between Catalyst releases being around a month (i'm sure someone can correct me if i'm wrong - probably loudly, and with much flaming) that would make the review a month or two old... (and there are newer versions of RemoteWonder (2.3.0.1 posted 3/19/04) and MMC (9.1, posted 06/24/04) as well.)

And yes, i'm well aware i'm being difficult, pedantic and/or contrary.

Here's a convienient link

I hope ATI can catch up to compete because their current Linux drivers are terrible. I am disappointed. :(

Why doesn't ATI simply write some Mac OS X drivers for the HDTV Wonder...? After all, they know how to write video drivers - how hard could it be?

You can get the DVD and video clips from Animusic to see the ATI Animusic's Pipe Dream Demo. Also, ATI has the demo if you have an high-end ATI video card which is better because you can control the camera view IIRC!

they make a lot of modem hardware

Not to mention video cards and IMAX movie technology.

After reading a link from a different article, this (and Alienware's) implimentation sounds a lot like Metabyte/Wicked 3D's PGC technique for multiple-chip rendering.

Check it out here.

If you don't remember what it is, just look at the faq.
I feel that this dual card thing will not be as short lived as the old 3dfx SLI. I mean, it wasn't possible to use 2 AGP cards because we lacked the second slot, but with PCI-E, the problem is gone. Remember that all the Voodoo2 had the SLI plug ? I bet that all the next gen cards will have a dual mode plug (it's already the case with the new GeForce).

The next step is to allow this kind of thing with non-identical cards. It would be nice to be able to keep your old card even after you've bought a brand new one. But it seems that synchronization is a bit of a problem.

This piece is definately intended for the layman, for the somewhat more technically inclined there's a PDF about the actual inner workings of the engine over at the developer's section of ATI ...

I've been researching chipsets for digital TV. Here are my links to current hardware products:

STMicroelectronics System on Chip (2) Get Linux here
ATI Xilleon 220 (Products)
Sigma Designs Digital Media Processors (Products)
IBM PowerPC405 STBxx (Zarlink [2], Araneo)
Texas Instruments DM642 DSP (i3 Mood Box , X-Designs Flikit + Softier MediaLinux)
NEC EMMArchitecture2 (Galaxis + LinuxTV , PRISMIQ + Linux)
Equator Technologies BSP-15 boards
Via CN400 (Mini-ITX Board), PM800 and PM880 (w/ HDTV for Pentium 4) , ShowShifter HMN, Soyo Multimedia Ready Motherboard (with TV Tuner, $129.99)
Toshiba TX System RISC (MontaVista Linux)
Windows chipsets:
Intel 815 VisionPlus terrestrial box (Korean OEM)
AMD Geode (CoCom)
ARM (Samsung, etc.)
Digeo X-Stream (Paul Allen company)

I've been researching chipsets for digital TV. Here are my links to current hardware products:

STMicroelectronics System on Chip (2) Get Linux here
ATI Xilleon 220 (Products)
Sigma Designs Digital Media Processors (Products)
IBM PowerPC405 STBxx (Zarlink [2], Araneo)
Texas Instruments DM642 DSP (i3 Mood Box , X-Designs Flikit + Softier MediaLinux)
NEC EMMArchitecture2 (Galaxis + LinuxTV , PRISMIQ + Linux)
Equator Technologies BSP-15 boards
Via CN400 (Mini-ITX Board), PM800 and PM880 (w/ HDTV for Pentium 4) , ShowShifter HMN, Soyo Multimedia Ready Motherboard (with TV Tuner, $129.99)
Toshiba TX System RISC (MontaVista Linux)
Windows chipsets:
Intel 815 VisionPlus terrestrial box (Korean OEM)
AMD Geode (CoCom)
ARM (Samsung, etc.)
Digeo X-Stream (Paul Allen company)

The ATi Imageon 2300 supports OpenGl ES. I haven't heard of any cell phones with this chip though.

http://www.ati.com/products/imageon2300/index.html

You can find information on ATI's handheld 3D chip here:

http://www.ati.com/products/imageon2300/index.html

It says it's OpenGL ES compliant, porting may be a possibility with say SD cards since most cells only have a few MB of internal memory.

Personally I use the ATI Remote Wonder [www.ATI.com]. Primarily meant as a remote for their TV tunners, but has media support none the less. The receiver plugs into the USB port and the transmissions are all done via RF, so no need to worry about line of sight.

I like the fact it has a direction pad for controlling the mouse and the media playback buttons, and four programmable buttons. There are plugins available for PowerPoint and WinAmp, personally I don't have them installed but the device still works fine. The fact I can be in the kitchen making dinner, changing the tunes on my PC on another level of the house is always nice too.

I got mine to use with my TV card about 8 months ago, and it's still on the original batteries that came in the box.

Well, a quick googling didn't turn up a howto, but here are a couple of related links for your perusal:

ATI's Radeon 9800 Pro technical issues page

A LinuxQuestions.org thread on ATI with the NForce2 on Mandrake 10.0.

As both a FreeBSD user and Gentoo user, I think the best description would be that Gentoo is BSD for Linux users. As a humourous aside, some friends have also started describing Gentoo as "ricenix: 2Fast2Optimized". ;-)

Gentoo is laid out fairly logically (no idea if it follows the Linux Standards Base though). The main benefit is the total control you gain over your installation - much like you gain with BSD (hence, BSD for Linux users). Though it is achieved through the remarkable Portage package management system, vs FreeBSD which is a wholly maintained o/s, with a very large "ports" system.

The only thing that keeps me from using FreeBSD on my workstation is that I do play some games on Linux, and write software to support game playing on a local Australian gaming network. For those that don't need the fluff that's supported on Linux (games being a primary example), almost everything else is available under FreeBSD. But to save you extra work, Gentoo is probably the way to go (easy to manage once installed through portage).

An lcd

A remote control

Anything from M-Audio! - MIDI interface, keyboard, a (real) audio interface...

microcontroller --> endless possibilities....

flash drive, or a flash card reader

usb drive enclosure - harddrive, CD-R...

One of the demos they go over in the article is the Animusic demo for ATI's Radeon 9700.

That was one of the cooler demos I've seen. The graphics aren't that special but paired with the sound the scene comes alive.

ATI says they support 3rd party linux drivers.. does anyone know how well? They make many references to it in the linux section of their drivers page ATI so I wonder how well they support projects like DRI. My main complaint is that the newest drivers (just released) still are only for the 2.4 kernel.

I also use Girder and an ATI Remote Wonder for my HTPC setup. The ATI remote came bundled with a Radeon 7500 All In Wonder and they work flawlessly together. The MyHTPC software also works wonders. There is an ATI Remote Wonder plugin available for MyHTPC too.

As for the keyboard and mouse, I use a Logitech cordless mouse and keyboard which does the job nicely. I keep the mouse on the coffee table and the keyboard in one of the drawers. The only tricky part is keeping the RF receiver on the computer far enough away from the components in your home theater as the cord on the unit is not very long.

I also have a 4 port USB hub running to a spot under the couch that allows me to quickly connect or disconnect things like USB Thumb Drives or USB Gamepads. I use the gamepads for many of the games on the system like GTA Vice City and MAME. Specifically I like the Gravis Gamepad Pro (BB $15, Nice mapping software), the Nyko AirFlo PC (BB $20, Dual Analog sticks, Air Flow technology), and if you can find it the GF USB Control Pad (BB $10, Dual Analog sticks). All of the gamepads work well with Girder and the games I use them for. Sometimes it is nice to have 3 or 4 different gamepads for N64 Emulators because it is easier to know which gamepad you are configuring. Before I had 4 Gravis Gamepad Pro's which was a pain because I had to label them 1 - 4 but windows would not allow me to change their names.

Of course VNC is a must but aside from that if you get your bindings tight in girder you can do almost anything with MyHTPC and a good remote.

10 times better than ATI, which have NO official drivers (except for really old videocards).

WTF are you talking about? You mean the official binary drivers that don't support the really old video cards?

10 times better than ATI, which have NO official drivers (except for really old videocards).

WTF are you talking about? You mean the official binary drivers that don't support the really old video cards?

Sure I'm arguing the patent is stupid - the rest is irrelevant ;) Go to creative driver downloads and take a look at how that (3 pane) page is organised. Go to ATI driver downloads and see the same (3 pane) thing. See Windows Explorer folder view (2 pane) and old MUI stuff on the Amiga (x pane) for other examples. Are they all ripping off the iTunes interface (doubtful as two came before iTunes) or are they merely employing a rather obvious method of UI design?

Why? Seriously, I hope it's not because of their logo. If we had to type everything just like it's in the logo, how would we for example type Intel? Anyway, check out their about page here. There is at least a dozen of "ATI" and not a single "ATi".

NVidia seems like the only choice for me, since only ATI's most recent line of products (ie: expensive products) are supported.

DRI covers virtually all of the ATI chips up to the 9200.
FGLRX covers everything from the Radeon 8500 to 9800.

The only remaining problem is that some commercial developers just assume Nvidia is the standard. DRI in particular has come a long way. I've been using a Radeon 8500 with Michael Daenzer's DRI packages for Debian with few problems. Out of 30 commercial Linux games I have, 3 don't work properly: Descent 3, Savage and Heavy Gear 2. Savage's problem is trivial to fix, the others I'm not sure about.

I'd rather see ATI release the 3D specs on the R300 chips than see further improvements in the FGLRX driver.

Oops... links from ATI site MUCH faster:

http://www2.ati.com/misc/demos/ATI-X800-DoubleCros s-Demo-v1.0.mov

http://www2.ati.com/misc/demos/ATI-X800-Subsurface -Demo-v1.0.mov

Oops... links from ATI site MUCH faster:

http://www2.ati.com/misc/demos/ATI-X800-DoubleCros s-Demo-v1.0.mov

http://www2.ati.com/misc/demos/ATI-X800-Subsurface -Demo-v1.0.mov

The technology is already available for games, check out the subsurface scattering demo from ATI: http://www.ati.com/developer/demos/rx800.html

Come on! That wasn't even a decent attempt at trolling. You forgot to mention that those canuck bastards at ATI have been found guilty on charges of baby eating. And that the CEO can only climax when killing a dog.

FYI: Radeon 9800 Linux Driver

Can we try a little harder next time? Thanks.