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Half-Life 2 Going Gold on Monday? [updated]

Warrior-GS writes "According to GameSpy, Gabe Newell has announced that Half-Life 2 is going gold on Monday. Numerous retail outlets have Sept. 1 or Sept. 2 as a shelf-date for the game, so a gold announcement now seems to mean those dates are fairly close to reality." Given that HL2 is already available on Steam, this doesn't sound too far-fetched. Update: 08/28 19:27 GMT by T : Kraiger writes "According to HL2 Fallout the announcement of the futuristic FPS, "Half-Life 2", going Gold is a complete hoax! According to HL2 Fallout, the announcement from Gabe Newell, a Valve Software employee, was created by someone who was able to guess the simple password of "gaben" for Gabe's forum account."

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  1. Hoax by carlcmc · · Score: 5, Informative

    As seen on the forums " UPDATE
    After a close scrutiny of Gabe Newell’s account history on the forums, we've come to the conclusion that the gold post is a fake. While we can't be 100% certain at this stage, all indicators point towards someone hacking the forum account. That said, all Gabe's previous posts on these forums are quite legitimate.

    We apologize for the confusion and will be investigating further. Theoretically, an IPB forum account should be very difficult to hack. Well, that was the theory at least. We'll keep you updated. "

    1. Re:Hoax by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      though, how is it on preload if it isn't 'gold'?

      what exactly are they loading up from the network, good vibes & empty pr? /dev/random? datafiles?

      with their track record of 'staying on course' and making it on the deadline(and bullshitting abou the progress) it doesn't look too good either..

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    2. Re:Hoax by accelleron · · Score: 3, Funny

      considering the amount of females on this board, and the percentage of them likely attractive, I'd say it's safe to bet that you would have a fart-free cake.

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    3. Re:Hoax by seizer · · Score: 4, Informative

      what exactly are they loading up from the network

      All the textures, graphics, etc. That's what takes up most of the space, and most of them will have been finalized by now.

      The game engine can come along at the last minute, when they do go gold - it's probably only a few hundred megs at most.

    4. Re:Hoax by ductormalef · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Bah!

      If Valve would just give a simple update on the release time-frame, they could avoid sending their POTENTIAL customers into fits again. They left the door wide open for a hoax like this by starting the pre-loading without any direction as to when people will be able to play. Now I am going to have a new(well it was new a year ago) graphics card AND a gigabyte of data wasting away on my PC.
      I guesss I'll be putting my $50USD into DOOM3. I'll see you in the dark!

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    5. Re:Hoax by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Actually, the fact that there's a CS:Source beta floating arround makes me feel that the engine is done and over, and what's keeping the game from being released is the game data itself. Then again, if the game can be "predownloaded", you gotta wonder if the game is done already.

    6. Re:Hoax by EvilAlien · · Score: 1

      Preload availability != finished. Valve has clearly explained that preload content for HL2 is comprised of things that won't change between now and the final release.

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    7. Re:Hoax by gnarled · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll see you in the dark!

      No, you won't

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    8. Re:Hoax by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Well, but the CSS version could be an earlier build of the engine, no?

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    9. Re:Hoax by lowe0 · · Score: 1

      What's even funnier is that he got modded as flamebait.

      I'm not sure I'd want any sort of open flames around if he's gonna be doing that....

    10. Re:Hoax by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      I haven't played it, but the "beta" in CS:S beta refers, if i'm not mistaken, to the game itself rather than the engine. The game has everything the Source engine it's suposed to offer; you gotta wonder how unfinished it can be then.

    11. Re:Hoax by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter if it's gold or not. Like Doom III, most people will rush out to buy this game. Owners with ATI cards will probably still struggle to get a decent FPS until Catalyst 5.0 or something.

      Pessimistic me, no? I am damn realistic. Check all the forums and customers screaming for help. Then compare it to the game company's marketing materials. It's always night and day! If anyone expect HL2 to work out of the box for most users, they're going to be terribly disappointed.

    12. Re:Hoax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you talking about?

      Have you read all the articles even directly from Valve that state ATI cards are better than Nvidia cards for Half-Life 2?

    13. Re:Hoax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CS:S is pretty goood, but the engine still feels a little rough.

    14. Re:Hoax by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Damn, they're *both* attractive ???

      And me on the other side of the pond... Just my luck :(

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    15. Re:Hoax by Silverlancer · · Score: 1

      Supposedly, ATI cards are actually supposed to get higher speeds in HL2 than nVidia cards. And ATI's latest driver set equalized them in Doom 3 also. However, even though evidence shows that ATI's claim of speed is false, it doesn't matter. Because even a GeForce 3 can run HL2 just fine paired with a good processor.

    16. Re:Hoax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few hundred megs? The combined size of the Doom 3 .exe and .dll is a whopping 8.4 megs.

    17. Re:Hoax by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      Does anyone at valve know ANYTHING about security?

      Damn.

      Just Damn.

    18. Re:Hoax by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      "Supposedly, ATI cards are actually supposed to get higher speeds in HL2 than nVidia cards. And ATI's latest driver set equalized them in Doom 3 also."

      That used to be the case back in the "nVidia 5x00 series." Those things sucked on so many levels. The ATI cards "supposedly" gave a big performance increase when compared to nVidia. This is proving to be false with the LATEST generation of cards from the competitors.

      I saw some "benchmarks" on the Source engine (using CS:S) amd nVidia was doing about as well as ATI. Likewise, with the exception of the old driver in DOOM 3, the difference between the 2 fluxuates a couple of FPS in either direction.

      ATI has always had notorious OpenGL performance (when compared to nVidia) but slightly better Direct-X. This has become less and less of an issue lately since most games are now (unfortunately) coded in Direct-X. ATI's new drivers try to improve on their Open-GL performance since so many people were going ga-ga over DOOM 3.

      Personally, I recently switched back to nVidia on my gaming rig. My last card as ATI, and while it was ALRIGHT, the driver experience and what-not was just more annoying than my old GF4 TI 4600.

      I'd say their comparable generation cards are comparable in performance now. It comes down to personal preferences now, with ATI having SLIGHTLY better image quaality (I don't even notice it). Personally, I like nVidia now, and will probably also go with their motherboard chipset when I upgrade my gaming rig next year.

    19. Re:Hoax by EvilSmile · · Score: 1

      One would think that after the source code leak people at Valve would be ultra-cautious with things like this. It now makes me wonder if they let some "accidents" happen often to keep up the interest in the game and perhaps as publicity stunts?

    20. Re:Hoax by PhotoBoy · · Score: 1

      So the password to get into his account is gaben?

      I bet he uses that password for everything, time to see if I can use it to download a finished copy of HL2 from his machine. Then I can play the finished thing while Valve delays the game again for another year! Meheheheheh!

    21. Re:Hoax by Cassius105 · · Score: 1

      Thye have kinda

      they said its going gold soon

      they cant say anything more than that because once its gone gold is it totaly up to vivendi when it is released

    22. Re:Hoax by EvilAlien · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Excuse me a sec, my Troll Detect-o-matic just went haywire...

      I think you have that backwards... the stuff I read suggests that ATI owners will be dancing in the streets (I get pretty decent framerates in CS:Source) while nvidia owners will be contemplating jumping from the nearest tall building. I also get pretty decent performance out of Doom 3.

      Of course people are going to rush out and buy this game! Its going to be the best thing since... er... Half-life. It'll make people forget about Doom 3 and Far Cry ;)

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  2. This appears to be a hoax... by PimpBot · · Score: 5, Informative

    The admins of HL2Fallout have already stated that they feel this is a hoax. The "Gabe Newell" post came from an IP which Gabe has never posted from before. For right now, they're erring on the side of caution.

    1. Re:This appears to be a hoax... by Krunch · · Score: 2, Informative

      Since the HL2Fallout forum seems to have less bandwidth than all the CS players in the world (and thus is currently unreachable), here is a link to the Steam forum's thread.

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    2. Re:This appears to be a hoax... by Klowner · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wait, you mean.. The same Gabe Newell that uses Outlook Express, the same Outlook Express that supposedly contributed to the security breakdown a few months ago, which allowed the theft of th Source source code theft? IMPOSSIBLE! We all know that after that horrible incident, Gabe switched to using 3 letter passwords instead of 2.

    3. Re:This appears to be a hoax... by T-Kir · · Score: 1

      The password is probably 'ATI' ;-)

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    4. Re:This appears to be a hoax... by randyest · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're so close it's scary. It was five digits, which might be ok, were it not "gaben." Right. His first name and last initial. All lowercase. The guy doesn't learn after getting haxored? From here:

      An anonymous imposter guessed Gabe's password, "gaben", and made the false claim. Valve has confirmed that this is was a hoax on the Steam Forums.

      Update: After one crazy night of theories, server mayhem and IP tracing, we've finally gotten to the bottom of this mess. In a twist of hilarity, it seems that Gabe Newell's account password was set to 'gaben'. Person x guessed this and made the "going gold on Monday" post which we've heard so much about. The user (who we believe is the same person x) then made this post just minutes ago using Gabe's account [announcing that he guessed Gabe's pass as "gaben"]

      After a quick double-check, it seems that this was exactly what happened. Reminds me of the good old days. For an official response concerning the hoax, see Chris Bokitch's post on Steampowered. I think Gabe is going to need to start using slightly better passwords on accounts he uses to make public announcements on.

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    5. Re:This appears to be a hoax... by abandonment · · Score: 1

      no kidding...for a company that has spent upwards of $50 million dollars on this game, it's a 'bet the company' deal, and gabe continues to have incident after incident like this.

      the guy's a hazard with a computer...does becoming CEO of a company just make people technically incompetent? so wierd. he might be a brilliant game designer or project manager or whatever, but these kinds of things are just inexcusable...

      if it was a lower-down on the totem pole, how long would they have kept their job?

    6. Re:This appears to be a hoax... by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 1

      Sigh... Let me explain this...

      All of this furious debate does nothing but boost the profile of the HL2 release (whenever it may be). They're getting free publicity with every article speculating, then refuting a release date. Every fanboi who complains that their life has no meaning until the release date, and whines that they're breaking promises, etc.

      Let me put it another way since I'm sure the skeptics are grumbling that it's all BS:

      Over the last couple weeks or so, people were frantically trying to guess the pre-load date. There were nasty messages back and forth, arguements, lots of whining at Valve, anger, dissapointment, bitterness, rage, probably tears, etc.

      And as soon as the pre-load started, EVERYONE wanted-in. No matter how much they griped and whined, everyone was hammering the steam servers to get the preload down, even people who a) pre-ordered a physical CD, and b) hate steam and think it's a bad idea.

      So really, what does Valve have to lose by ANY publicity or speculation? Sure people are going to gripe and moan now, but as SOON as the game is released, everyone is going to purchase it because of the hype/publicity/whatever about it.

      And there you have it.

      (and as a quick aside, I'm going out of town on a trip where there are no computers for a week in September, so if Valve could either make the release date next Monday, or hold it until Sept 16, that would be great - thanx :)

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    7. Re:This appears to be a hoax... by mrseigen · · Score: 1

      The guy doesn't learn after getting haxored?

      Not to touch off a flamewar, but he worked for Microsoft on the Windows team for quite some time in the past before forming Valve.

    8. Re:This appears to be a hoax... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So really, what does Valve have to lose by ANY publicity or speculation? Sure people are going to gripe and moan now, but as SOON as the game is released, everyone is going to purchase it because of the hype/publicity/whatever about it.

      I think you have the cause and effect backwards. All of the hype/publicity/griping/whining was because people want this game so badly. Keep in mind that it's an update to a game that is overwhelmingly the most popular online FPS five years after its release.

  3. And the hardware to run it... by EvilCabbage · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... will go "gold" in December... 2008.

    1. Re:And the hardware to run it... by Zorilla · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      ...which will be running on the next iteration of Windows, which will have hardware ready to run it by 2016.

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    2. Re:And the hardware to run it... by EvilCabbage · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now who's the optimist?

    3. Re:And the hardware to run it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you talking about, the demo they released last year ran great, though I don't know why they left half the art out....

    4. Re:And the hardware to run it... by marcushnk · · Score: 0

      :-P

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    5. Re:And the hardware to run it... by EvilCabbage · · Score: 1

      Look, keep stalking me if you like, just at least buy me flowers first ;)

    6. Re:And the hardware to run it... by feidaykin · · Score: 4, Interesting
      You just reminded me of a story... one that took place six years ago, on a dark and stormy night. Well I don't think it was dark or stormy, but it was involving hardware that would make anyone shudder. Half-Life had just been released, and all the gaming sites were raving about it... so much so that I decided to buy it when I saw it on a shelf at a local Best Buy. I sorta glanced at the min requirements, and I thought I was close enough.

      I was very, very wrong. I inserted the Half-Life disc into my 4x CD-ROM and started to install it to my PC... It had 24MB of memory, a "PR233" Cyrix Processor, and I believe the video card at the time was a 4MB card with "pretend" support for Direct3D.

      The pain.

      The horror.

      You know those Houndeye creatures I think they're called, the ones that create a blue circle of hurt? One of those would bring that computer to a complete standstill when it did its little attack.

      The poor Cyrix also over-heated often, so often that I renamed the short-cut to the game "Crash-Life" and felt better somehow.

      This story does have a happy ending though. After a few days of suffering, I got myself a Celeron 366 and clocked that baby at 550 MHz, I got a voodoo2, and i think a massive 96 MB of ram. If it hadn't been for Half-Life, I likely would not have upgraded for months, maybe even years. Behold the Power of a Computer Game!

      Of course, the question is, will HL2 be good enough to cause people like me to run out and do the same thing we did six years ago? Perhaps that will be the true measure of its success; not that it is hardware hog, any game can be that, but that a game can be good enough for folks to plunk down three or for figures worth on hardware to play it.

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    7. Re:And the hardware to run it... by rikkards · · Score: 1

      I feel your pain. I had a flakey motherboard but didn't know it until I got Half Life. The game would start and go through maybe 3 minutes of the intro on the train and all of a sudden the game would crash.
      Updated drivers, bios, prayed to the computer gods, reinstalled OS. Did everything. Then decided it was time to get a new motherboard. Problem disappeared. Who'd a thunk

    8. Re:And the hardware to run it... by feidaykin · · Score: 1
      Heh... was it an old socket 7 board? Cause that's what I had back then... those were the days. Then when I upgraded to a celeron I went with an Abit ZM6 (cheap board, capped at 256MB of ram). Main reason I got it was for the jumperless overclocking features of the BIOS, I figured I'd be tweaking it a lot and being able to alter the voltage and bus speed from the BIOS would be handy. Later on I ended up building a second computer, and I got another ZM6. I tried putting in a Celeron 566 and clocking it up to 850. No go in the new ZM6 board, so I tried the old one and it worked fine. Overclocking is pretty weird like that. Anyway, the new chip ran from about 2001-mid 2003 without issues until the ancient board finally gave up. So then I was forced to use the second board, and I'm down to 707 MHz (this board refuses to let me do 850).

      I'm long overdue for an upgrade (obviously) and HL2 might be enough to push me over the edge and splurge. I don't really have the funds right now but if it's good, I do have credit. Heh. ;)

      Oh well, at least this antique can still play HL1 and Counter-Strike.

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    9. Re:And the hardware to run it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if you're a gamer then chances are you'll have the hardware to manage the game. I run an AMD 3000+ , 9700pro(two years old), and 512 of the crappiest DDR ram available.

      I get over 100fps in the CS: s stress test.

      Now, when a poor gamer like me with a video card that's two years old get over 100 fps on the HL2 engine, i don't think there's need to worry :)

    10. Re:And the hardware to run it... by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      I played *all* of Half Life on a Cyrix P150+ (which actually was a 120MHz processor rated more or less like a 150MHz Pentium, pretty much like current AMDs) with a 2D card (so all the rendering was done in software) and IT RAN FINE. And I was grateful !

      Ok, so I got something like 8fps in 640x480 (or maybe I managed to push it to 800x600 by setting everything to the minimum, it still was about 8fps, that much I remember very well) but it still was fun and scary. And exciting (although not as exciting as the reviewers told me it would be but it still was a good game). And I finished the game. Even if I cheated at the end because I got fed up with jumping from "tower" to "mushroom" to "needle top" to whatever in the "other world" over and over at the end.

      I played it again a bit when I upgraded that same machine with a Mystique graphics board, and again when I replaced it with a 800MHz Athlon. Now that I replaced the Athlon with an AMD64 and finally managed to install a small gaming partition on it, I'll probably yet again install Half Life, just so that I can run it at an insane resolution with every setting maxed out. It certainely won't be one bit as fun as that first time though... So maybe fps isn't everything...

      I might try Alien vs Predator2 again though. That one was *nasty*... The only game that gave me nightmares :)

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    11. Re:And the hardware to run it... by marleyboy · · Score: 1

      Thing is, it won't really be needed. That's the cool thing with these modern games, they're very scalable in allowing older hardware to run it playably. If you want to see the graphics as the developers made them, sure, most recent hardware will show you it. But the physical impossibility where upgrades were forced by games is slowly being phased out.

      What's more important to you? Graphics or gameplay? Do you have the budget to spend money on hardware just to play Half Life 2 at a gorgeous setting, or are you content with gameplay on lower settings?

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    12. Re:And the hardware to run it... by mtgDoofy · · Score: 1

      We just had a game that made people upgrade (Doom 3). Aslo I think that this won't be a problem since the "minimum" requirements are so low that the systems that many have from the past three years will be able to play it, even if it is with a lot of settings lower.

    13. Re:And the hardware to run it... by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Half-life ran just fine on my 100MHz Pentium w/ 24 megs and a TNT 1. A bit slow, but playable.

    14. Re:And the hardware to run it... by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Oh, I forgot to mention. It also ran and played fine before I got the TNT card.

  4. I'm looking forward to this by Timesprout · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Its been on preorder for me for a month now. I'm not a big gamer but HL was such a gripping game to play and the mods are so good they definitely brought a new dimension to gaming for me. Heres hoping its as good as its predecessor.

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    1. Re:I'm looking forward to this by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      month? dude, you're late! all the cool kids have had it on pre-order over a year! and been reading the strategy guide too for a good while.

      (with their track record, I would feel like preordering a valve product to be like preordering phantom)

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    2. Re:I'm looking forward to this by kcb93x · · Score: 1

      No, all the 'cool kids' got it with their 9600/9800's in the form of an "ATI Half-Life 2 Redemption" card.

      *looks at his card, drooling*

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    3. Re:I'm looking forward to this by bgackle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was looking forward to this too, then I started doing some research on what "Steam" is. I quit playing counterstrike over a year ago, back when WON was still being used.

      See: this link

      Let's just say I'm extremely dissapointed in Valve for where they have taken this. I wouldn't hold your breath on mods, either. This game is now DRM'd to the hilt... making and finding mods just got a lot more difficult, as did running a creative server.

      I didn't think I'd ever say this, but I may actually pass on this one. I have no desire to need to be constantly connected to the 'net to play a single player game that I paid for, or to play LAN games with my friends. There is no excuse for them to need to be "working on" allowing access to the game you bought.

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    4. Re:I'm looking forward to this by Fryed · · Score: 5, Informative

      You may want to do a bit more research about Steam before you decide to pass up on Half-Life 2. First off, a lot has changed in the nearly a year since the article you linked to was written. For starters, Steam now features a "Start in offline mode" option. When Steam starts up, if it's not connected to the internet, it lets you do that. Then, you have access to all your single player games just fine. I imagine you can also play all your LAN games just fine as well, but I haven't had an oppurtunity to try that.

      Did Steam have an awful lot of problems when it was first released? Yes, it did. But, believe it or not, the people working on Steam at Valve are not some kind of evil sadists who enjoy making people jump through hoops to play their game. They've created a rather nice system for making sure your games are always updated, and giving you an easy way to purchase new games from them without having to run down to the nearest Gamestop. Problems do occur, and they try to fix them as soon as possible.

      And, I certainly doubt Valve is going to make it hard for mods to be created. They aren't stupid - they know that one of the big reasons Half-Life has sold so well over the past 6 years is because of fun mods like TFC and CS. How many other 6 year old games do you see with thousands of servers running right now? Currently, they allow really popular mods to be listed in the Steam gui, with a screenshot and a short writeup. Other mods can still be played (I remember at least once getting in a game of Pirates, Vikings, and Knights over Steam) just as they always could.

    5. Re:I'm looking forward to this by bgackle · · Score: 1

      Well, it would appear that I was forming an opinion based on outdated information. I thank you for the update.

      I heard a few complaints on another slashdot thread complaining about Steam, so I Googled it... apparently the major complaints I found have long since been addressed.

      If nothing else, I guess that elevates Valve even higher in my eyes... yes, it would appear that they released a flawed product, but they actually LISTENED to the user base.

      Thanks again for the info. If I still had mod points, I'd give them to you. :)

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    6. Re:I'm looking forward to this by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hah, my kid has it on preorder and even my kid is on preorder, that's how cool I am !

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    7. Re:I'm looking forward to this by uujjj · · Score: 1

      My fellow slashdotters, please don't preorder software. Trust me, you won't get it any earlier than the guys who run to Fry's. In fact, preorderers will probably get their copies after Fry's, since there is a shipping delay.

      Preorders are useful only when you can expect a supply shortage when something comes out. Such supply shortages are usually due to a combination of unexpected demand and limited production capacity. Game CDs, however, are very easy to manufacture, and given that demand for HL2 is already expected, you won't experience supply shortages.

      Basically, a software preorder is a short-term, interest free loan that you are giving the vendor. It will not make the software arrive on your computer any sooner.

    8. Re:I'm looking forward to this by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 1

      Yup, the local EB has the same problem - they encourage everyone to pre-order, and in their case, I think they try and keep the supply artificially low for a few days by only releasing a certain number of copies to "encourage" preordering in the future.

      Fortunately I found a big-box electronics store about 15 min from EB that ALWAYS has tons of copies of the latest games, even on release day - so I've stopped using BE all together.

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    9. Re:I'm looking forward to this by bonkedproducer · · Score: 1

      Uhhh if your drooling - why don't you actually download the thing - or at least CS: S beta. I was pretty happy to find out that my coupon gave me the ability to download the little bundle package that they have for sale, and considering I never played opposing force, getting it and HL2 on release day is a pretty fair deal.

      Those with ATI cards and coupons shoudl visit http://ati.com/online/hl2 and check out that bundle because on release day you lose that "This will tide them over we hope" extras pack.

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    10. Re:I'm looking forward to this by bryhhh · · Score: 1

      Its been on preorder for me for a month now. I'm not a big gamer but HL was such a gripping game to play and the mods are so good they definitely brought a new dimension to gaming for me. Heres hoping its as good as its predecessor.

      Like you, I'm not a big gamer, infact I've only ever bought Quake1, HL1, GTA VC, and I've had HL2 on order for over 12 months, and upgraded my graphics card 11 months ago in anticipation of a release in the Autumn of 2003.

      Now my 11 month old graphics card is looking a little dated, so I've just ordered another graphics card in anticipation of the HL2 release.

      Which will be first? Longshot^h^h^h^hhorn, HL2 or my 3rd graphics card :)

  5. Gold, perhaps, but not yet retail by MonTemplar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The latest from Amazon UK is that it will be available from 1st November. It was being reported as 3rd September up until yesterday. (Needless to say, I've got a pre-order in with them).

    -MT.

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    1. Re:Gold, perhaps, but not yet retail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Tip for you: Retailers are the last to know when the game is going to ship.

  6. Zero Sales? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are so many coupons floating around, Do they really expect to sell any copies of this game? Seems to be they've already "sold" it when they took the money from ATI.

    1. Re:Zero Sales? by PFactor · · Score: 1

      According to Valve's own hardware survey, there are 46,770 (4.89%) of gamers who responded to the survey AND have a Radeon 9800. Since the coupon only came with the XT, we can 'guess' that the true # of coupons out there is under 100,000.

      I think HL2 will easily sell more than 100K.

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    2. Re:Zero Sales? by Jarnis · · Score: 1

      The coupon also came with gazillion 9600XT cards. So your number is completely false.

    3. Re:Zero Sales? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh... the coupon came with the AIW9600 too, which was a huge selling AIW card because it was such a great deal (basically $200 for $400-500 in hardware and software).

    4. Re:Zero Sales? by Anonymous+Coed · · Score: 1

      And it came with my ATI brand 9800 PRO. I just found out the HL2 coupon entitles you to a "bonus pack" of HL1, CS, and other mods like DOD. I happily installed them yesterday.

    5. Re:Zero Sales? by Nyder · · Score: 1

      the coupon also came with the Ati AIW 9600 pro. unforetunetly, it didn't come with the Ati 9600 pro I got (the AIW wasn't out at the time), so I'm going to have to buy it.

      also, I bougt CS:condition Zero used. and the idiot who owned it before has it registered with steam. he's going to be bumed when I mail the cd insert (w/cd key on it) to get it changed to my account.

      I did point out to them that they are going to have a problem with people selling their copies and still using the cdkey on their accounts since steam doesn't require the cd to be in the drive.

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    6. Re:Zero Sales? by FryGuy1013 · · Score: 1

      I did point out to them that they are going to have a problem with people selling their copies and still using the cdkey on their accounts since steam doesn't require the cd to be in the drive.

      Which is a good thing. Why should I have to carry around a bundle of cd's just so I can find the right one to stick in the computer when I played a game. Usually one of the first things I do when I buy a game that has this arcane requirement is to download a no-cd patch. Copy protection only hurts the paying customers.

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  7. I, for one by Sheetrock · · Score: 3, Interesting
    While I'd been looking forward to Half-Life 2 for quite some time now, am I the only one that thinks Steam represents an unprecedented level of intrusion in my computer activity?

    I may be a bit sensitive to this because one of the other games I looked forward to (Battlefield Vietnam) had a set of conditions to use the online anticheat system (to my knowledge mandatory for Internet gaming) that were intrusive enough that I just shelved it. I just want to buy it and play it, not open my use of the software up to unwarranted scrutiny.

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    1. Re:I, for one by ozric99 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      While I'd been looking forward to Half-Life 2 for quite some time now, am I the only one that thinks Steam represents an unprecedented level of intrusion in my computer activity?

      Probably. What personal information (apart from your email address) has Steam taken? What personal details did you have to give up to install Steam? Answer: Nothing!

      I have to go now, I think Doom3 is stealing my credit card numbers...

    2. Re:I, for one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Then, as you did with BF:V , don't buy it.

      But also, stop fucking whining, and go on with your life.

    3. Re:I, for one by rubeon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The OP is talking about an in intrusion into his computer activity, not necessarily his privacy. (Although it does associate specific computer activity with an email address and IP address, which should be cause for concnern...) In this regard, Steam is extremely intrusive: It requires you to authenticate yourself to the game's manufacturer every time you start the game.

      I've never seen such a thing with *any* retail application. Even XP only makes you do this when you first install it, not every time you fire it up.

    4. Re:I, for one by snillfisk · · Score: 1

      You've apparently not used Steam too much, as there is an "Use Steam in Offline Mode" there. All games that can be played offline has the possibility to use this mode. Steam is the best thing to happen to Counter-Strike etc since the release of the given products. No more waiting in line for 3-5 days to get an unhosed mirror and the stability has gotten to a point where it's way better than WON was back in the days.

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    5. Re:I, for one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      You're not the only one.

      I bought CS:CZ for the single player missions. I had no intention of playing online. But lo and behold, while playing single player, my firewall pops up a notice that the game is trying to connect to valve's servers. WTF? why? So I block it with a rule. The game crashes frequently after that with a TCP error.

      Removing the rule from Tiny Personal Firewall and adding the block on my OpenBSD firewall allows the game to work.

      Fuck you Valve, you can't be trusted.

    6. Re:I, for one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, the standard response from an immature 12-year old. Go back to the counter-strike forums where you belong.

    7. Re:I, for one by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 1

      It's not just the intrusiveness, it's the idea that Valve could take back games that I paid for without any sort of compensation that bugs me. If the game stays under Valve's complete control after I buy it, what the hell are we paying $50 for, anyway?

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    8. Re:I, for one by chaoticset · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because none of those things could possibly be stored on my computer.

      Oh, wait...

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    9. Re:I, for one by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Well, but if he whines about it the dev gets feedback on why he isn't buying. Without feedback they can only take guesses, most of which would probably be "piracy".

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    10. Re:I, for one by rubeon · · Score: 1

      I haven't used it in months. When I last cranked it up, it wouldn't let me play Half-Life single-player just because it couldn't find their server.

      Maybe they've improved; I'll check it out next time I boot Windows.

    11. Re:I, for one by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      I've never seen such a thing with *any* retail application. Even XP only makes you do this when you first install it, not every time you fire it up.

      Quake 3 checks your CD key against a master server when you go online, and it's by no means the only game to do so.

    12. Re:I, for one by DarkMantle · · Score: 1

      What personal information (apart from your email address) has Steam taken?

      Who know's if steam is a packet monitor sending them marketing info, or a keylogger to send them passwords. I highly doubt it is either of these but this is the problem with closed source, and REQUIRED software. If it's the ONLY way to update your game then hopefully that's all it does... but let me just download the patch and click install myself.

      Considering the amount of viruses, and spyware out there, it wouldn't be un-believable to think that steam monitors something... even if it's just to see what games you have installed so they may consider making games of the same type/genre.

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    13. Re:I, for one by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 1

      Plus the use of Steam for banning cheaters. And THAT I love.

      Load a cheat onto your system and fire up steam and start playing - if the valve anti-cheat software finds the cheat on your system, your account is banned from online play for a year and your brand-new $50 game is reduced to single-player only mode.

      I LOVE IT!

      To think that the cheaters could lose their entire gaming investment and be forced to purchase the game again (or wait a year) fills me joy :)

      N.

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    14. Re:I, for one by ozric99 · · Score: 1
      Steam is extremely intrusive: It requires you to authenticate yourself to the game's manufacturer every time you start the game.

      wtf? This got modded insightful how?
      Perhaps in la-la land. In the real world I can happily play HalfLife and the rest without having a net connection.

    15. Re:I, for one by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      The game checks for updates and will provide you the option to download them. That's what it is trying to communicate over the internet. Maybe if Steam told you it was trying to do that it would make you feel better?

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  8. probably not by Betaman · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:probably not by micro_stuck · · Score: 1

      "All the info you need to know this is probably fake" Ur post is misleading.. The links above points to that the news is "probably" genuine.. and i believe it is : )

    2. Re:probably not by randyest · · Score: 0

      Are you kidding, or did you not even read the first link?:

      Recently there was a post made on the HL2 Fallout Forums under Gabe Newell's account claiming that Half-Life 2 would be going gold on Monday. This post has been confirmed a hoax. An anonymous imposter guessed Gabe's password, "gaben", and made the false claim. Valve has confirmed that this is was a hoax on the Steam Forums.

      Here are the full details straight from Mr Bond: Update: After one crazy night of theories, server mayhem and IP tracing, we've finally gotten to the bottom of this mess. In a twist of hilarity, it seems that Gabe Newell's account password was set to 'gaben'. Person x guessed this and made the "going gold on Monday" post which we've heard so much about. The user (who we believe is the same person x) then made this post just minutes ago using Gabe's account [announcing that he guessed Gabe's pass as "gaben"]

      After a quick double-check, it seems that this was exactly what happened. Reminds me of the good old days. For an official response concerning the hoax, see Chris Bokitch's post on Steampowered. I think Gabe is going to need to start using slightly better passwords on accounts he uses to make public announcements on.

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  9. Last September by illumina+us · · Score: 1

    Gabe also said that the release date for HL2 was going to be September 19, 2003.

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  10. Steam by dfj225 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think it will be interesting to see how long it takes for the release to be availiable on Steam once the game does go gold. Concievably, once they make the final build it could be up in a matter of hours. Since many people already have most of the game downloaded, this could mean that they could also be playing the game within hours of the final build being made.

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    1. Re:Steam by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      they wouldn't know it's the final build in just hours after compile.

      at least of they care about testing at all(could be that they don't care, seeing the thing is already on preloading when they havent finished it..).

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    2. Re:Steam by rokzy · · Score: 0

      why are so many people so retarded when it comes to understanding the concept of pre-loading?

      if you look into it, you'll find its mostly just textures and stuff.

      why can't you understand the concept that not every single file needs to be recompiled (or compiled at all) and tested.

      jesus. this isn't some crappy horror film where you need to retest all the .wavs on every build in case one was possessed by a demon and kills anyone who listens.

    3. Re:Steam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      jesus. this isn't some crappy horror film where you need to retest all the .wavs on every build in case one was possessed by a demon and kills anyone who listens.

      Hey now, that was actually a pretty good horror film.

    4. Re:Steam by HobophobE · · Score: 1

      The steam distribution system if a good step toward cutting down on the inefficient practice of literally moving pieces of plastic around the world.

      The better way would be to invoke some P2P action for such a system. Though VALVe has the bandwidth to toss around now, such a distributed distribution system would be more robust and faster.

      VALVe has already stated publicly they intend to allow Steam account holders to order the game PRIOR to it going 'gold.' This means for all intents and purposes, those who preload may purchase the game before they can actually play it, so that when the switch is flipped the game (minus any last minute updates) will be playable.

      The bottom line with Steam is that they have a great, fast distribution system not only for such things as this preload, mods, etc. It also gives them the capability to do this Counter-Strike: Source beta test to get the multiplayer bugs sorted out, and with such a system updates may be released at rapid pace painlessly.

      I'll be the first to admit this system would be better open-sourced and p2p, among other more progressive approaches; customizability is quickly becoming a dominant and important feature in technology's applications. I don't want to download the crappy ringtones from my provider, I want to make my own. As such, VALVe has taken pains to make the Source engine highly mod-able. You will see some amazing modifications develop for this engine.

      I'm not a VALVe employee, just a fan who has seen what good they do; it's a company that isn't afraid to work at their own pace and still knock the shit out of the competition.

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    5. Re:Steam by thamaht · · Score: 1

      It could be up in a matter of hours, if there wasn't a contract with Vivendi that needed to be adhered to. Valve may be allowed to release it a couple days early on Steam, but anything more than that and I would be very suprised.

  11. That's more than can be said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    ...for the US mens basketball team.

  12. Hmmm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This going to be an improvement over the version I downloaded back when the source code was released?

    Hopefully a lesson was learned then, if you use microsoft products (like outlook/express) then you are SOL.

  13. Yes, but did you ask if ... by toetagger1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... that was Sept. 1 of this year, or next year? Just wondering.

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    1. Re:Yes, but did you ask if ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is September of 2006. They wanted to release it the same year as Longhorn.

  14. Re:s2games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you happen to work for s2games, or not realize that half-life and half-life2 do NOT share the same game engine. Or have i just been hooked by a troll?

  15. Re:s2games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they don't share the same engine that's even more reason for it to work on linux and mac.

    I am sick of appologists for MS-only products. One good game on mac would decimate all the competition and EASILY pay for itself. It is good economics, the only reason people wouldn't do it is because of myopic bastardry.

  16. For a minute there I had my hopes up by discord5 · · Score: 1

    Finally I could go install that central heating control system in hell since it had started freezing there, and then the lord of lies calls me to cancel the order

  17. And in related news... by Stevyn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pigs have just flown. Details at 11.

    1. Re:And in related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know, Mr. Burns saw it first though...

      Mr. Burns: Smithers I'm thinking about donating some money to the orphanage..when pigs fly!
      (Homer's bbq pig flies past the window)

    2. Re:And in related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Gabe have just flown. Details at 11."
      Fixed your typo.

  18. Game Hype by rh005 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's hope that it's not as bad as Doom 3 in matters of interactivity. Do you remember that, after the first Doom there was Duke Nukem, where you could interact in a lot of ways with the 3D environment. There were more things to do, special weapons, cameras, holoduke etc. That was then. But now, in 2004, the level of interactivity hasn't increased at all. With some exceptions, like Deus Ex and System Shock, it's still the same game as 10 years ago. Has gameplay been replaced by hype?

    1. Re:Game Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point wasn't to come up with a "new level of interactivity". I personally hated Duke because of all the silly toys. Doom 3 is exactly as it should be.

    2. Re:Game Hype by tomee · · Score: 1

      The trouble I see is the following: Some unknown game developer brings out a game that is just simply very good. People are surprised, since they didn't know about it and suddenly they are having a lot of fun with it. The game is a success. So the now famous company makes the next game, and everyone is eagerly awaiting it, hoping that it will be even better than the first. Then when it comes out, it may have better graphics and stuff, but the amount of fun with the game really won't increase that much, if at all. It will be hard to top since apparently the first game was a lot of fun already. People just expect too much (partly due to the hype). And the longer it takes for the game to come, the more they expect. That's why we are seeing more and more such articles saying that things used to be better or something. Just my two cents.

    3. Re:Game Hype by eddy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It won't be as bad as Doom 3 -- just watch the videos.

      The real question however is; how scripted will the "interactivity" be. There's nothing I hate more than games that try to give the impression of freedom and "reality", but where no matter what I do, I will always find myself in the exact same situation in the end.

      "Medal of Honour" being a prime example of such scripted game.

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    4. Re:Game Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Well, a year ago they claimed that there was no scripted AI in HL2 at all. Then the game was leaked and it turned out that all the sequences shown at E3 were scripted after all...

    5. Re:Game Hype by rh005 · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm not saying that "in the past, everything was better". That's not true at all. But it astonishes that, while hardware, graphics and sound have tremendously increased in quality, the gameplay hasn't. In fact, in Doom 3, there was no evolution at all! It's just getting more cineastic...

    6. Re:Game Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      You mean ... Valve lied about Half Life 2? Imagine!

    7. Re:Game Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean it's SUPPOSED to be boring and gimmicky?

    8. Re:Game Hype by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes it is. ID ffirmly believes in holding to an outdated mode of play

    9. Re:Game Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Medal of Honour" being a prime example of such scripted game.

      There's no 'u' in honor. That's because it's an American word and concept.

    10. Re:Game Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      try to give the impression of freedom and "reality"... but no matter what I do, I will always find myself in the exact same situation... "Medal of Honour" being a prime example

      Is that you, Mr. Kerry?

    11. Re:Game Hype by ejamie · · Score: 1

      very true. after being out of gaming for some years, i recently bought the orig halflife on discount rack at frys just to see what everyone was talking about.

      I didn't know gaming/graphics had progressed *that* far. the technologly improvement from hl1 to hl2 will need to be huge just so most hard-core gamers are not disappointed.

      but occassional gamers are still blown-away that pc games can now do this stuff!

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  19. Who gives a crap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, Valve can kiss my ass.

    - They lied about the release date last year until the last possible second.

    - The lied about what the expected system requirements would be. Until very relecenly they were quite low ... they JUST figured that out? For a game that was supposed to be ready last year?

    - Steam is funtionally spyware. It obtrusive and unnecessary. We already have a "content delivery system" - it called FTP.

    Usually all I hope for, when I game is troubled like this, that it is fun in the end. Not in this case. I hope HL2 sucks and it's a major black eye for Valve. I'd rather have an un-fun game be released; it's a fair trade to see Valve get what they deserve.

    1. Re:Who gives a crap? by PsychoSid · · Score: 0, Troll

      Not to mention the orginal HL, and Mac scenario. Tossers.

    2. Re:Who gives a crap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot to mention some other Valve "goodness":

      -Come out with a decent game (Half-Life), and then do nothing. The price of the game drops to the usual discount prices and all of a sudden, counter-strike becomes popular. What does valve do? Jack the price back up to $40! Where it still sits, 6 years later! And they've done pretty much nothing in the meantime except sit back and grow fat off CS's popularity.

      -6 years later, the game is still buggy. Half-Life gets my vote as buggiest game ever.

      -Delay HL2 for a year because "someone stole the code". Yeah, right.. A year? That's an obvious excuse for "the game's just not ready yet and we don't want to lose face by admitting it".

    3. Re:Who gives a crap? by gnarled · · Score: 1
      -Come out with a decent game (Half-Life), and then do nothing. The price of the game drops to the usual discount prices and all of a sudden, counter-strike becomes popular. What does valve do? Jack the price back up to $40! Where it still sits, 6 years later! And they've done pretty much nothing in the meantime except sit back and grow fat off CS's popularity.

      Oh my god!! A company that charges what the market will bear! How can they do such a thing?

      That's not even true either. I bought the HL platinum pack HL + CS + OpFor + Blue Shift + TFC for $25
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    4. Re:Who gives a crap? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      WHERE?! Everywhere I go it's either $40 or $50, except for Software Etc. yesterday where I found it for $30... where did you find it for $25?

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    5. Re:Who gives a crap? by jeff+munkyfaces · · Score: 1
      Half-Life gets my vote as buggiest game ever.

      never played hidden and dangerous then..

    6. Re:Who gives a crap? by gnarled · · Score: 1

      Newegg.com Now its only $20

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  20. Re:Not looking so hot after Doom 3... by MonTemplar · · Score: 1

    I'm not too bothered about the eye-candy side, I'm just hoping the gameplay and narrative sides of the game live up to the original Half-Life. If they do, then I'll be a happy camper.

    -MT.

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  21. Re:Not looking so hot after Doom 3... by duckpoopy · · Score: 5, Funny
    . If they do, then I'll be a happy camper

    Oh no, not another camper...

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  22. Re:Not looking so hot after Doom 3... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    D3 scared the crap out of me too in a few places, but in the end it turned into pretty boring monster bash.

    HL2 seems to have a much more interesting plot and more varied gameplay.

  23. Re:Not looking so hot after Doom 3... by bogie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well how do you know that until you play the game? HL 1 was very immersive I can only guess that it will be that much better. In fact playing Doom 3 feels very much like HL1 story wise. And yes I know Doom 1 had the general idea first.

    Regarding graphics its not D3 but it pretty darn good looking.
    http://media.pc.gamespy.com/media/492/49 2830/img_2 133273.html

    The thing is D3 is all about cramped indoor environments. Hallways and Offices etc. HL2 looks to be much more in the vein of cityscapes and outdoor areas which after D3 will actually be VERY refreshing. Don't get me wrong I'm still enjoying being scared by D3(and yes headphones are the ONLY way to play!) but I'm kind of over the whole walk into dark room, have imp jump out at me. The formula while still fun gets really stale 2/3 in. And fuck are those half-baby half fly things annoying.

    Anyway while Valve has really pissed me off with the delays I'm still very much looking forward to HL2. That and hitting people in the head with a crowbar. HL2 is looking to be pretty different from D3 and that's a good thing. My nerves couldn't take another creep and get scared jump fest.

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  24. Eh? Going Gold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just what does "Going Gold" mean?

    Pre-sold x copies?
    Code ready so CDs can be mastered?
    Available in shops to buy?
    Cracked and available on bittorrent? :)

    1. Re:Eh? Going Gold? by way2trivial · · Score: 5, Informative

      going gold means it's being mass produced, master version exists, and all remaing bugs will be dealt with via patches, not original distribution.

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    2. Re:Eh? Going Gold? by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2, Informative

      It means that the CD is mastered. Apparently the master CD is all shiny and yellow, so that's why they call it "going gold".

    3. Re:Eh? Going Gold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Apparently the master CD is all shiny and yellow, so that's why they call it "going gold".

      I think back in the day with records, the master would actually be made partially out of gold. Although, I can't think why this would be the case, as gold is quite soft. Anyone?

    4. Re:Eh? Going Gold? by HAKdragon · · Score: 1

      It's called 'going gold' because that's when all the pirates try to get their hands on it...

      ....is this thing on?

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    5. Re:Eh? Going Gold? by paulcammish · · Score: 1
      Acually, if I remember right, that comes from way back in the mists of the early to-mid 1990's, when CD writers cost thousands.

      The writable discs back then had gold faces, so the gold master was in fact a gold color. I dont know if any special discs are used for the master when its send to be duplicated, or even if it is, but the term has stuck.

      It would make more sense nowadays just to FTP the cd images to the plant, though.

    6. Re:Eh? Going Gold? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The original CDR media was always gold-foil, no silver-colored stuff. Hence all the CDROM masters you saw back in the day were always gold. Gold is still one of the better colors, especially when it involves actual gold, it holds up a long time and tends to be readable in just about everything. However, we have gold/gold, silver/gold, and silver/silver media and it all reads about the same.

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    7. Re:Eh? Going Gold? by andr0meda · · Score: 1


      In our case, we chose to manufacture disks and not use ftp, so we know which person has gotten into contact with the physical media in case of a leak. The disks are just simple writeables, nothing goldish :)

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  25. HL2 Gold? by Reconfigures · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Bullshit.

  26. Satan says: by zenneth · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Brrr! It's getting cold down here!"

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  27. Gold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I could see it going Gold on Monday to be honest...

    I mean, if you're looking at a November 1st release date, and about a month of making the retail boxes... Assuming the Nov. 1st release date is accurate of course...

    1. Re:Gold? by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Tip:Ignore retail release dates

  28. Ah crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had a woody and everything.

  29. Thank the lord! by Pentagram · · Score: 1

    Now I have a chance of finishing my thesis before my funding runs out.

  30. Even if it was real... by 00Monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    CounterStrike: Condition Zero went gold twice before it came out. HL2 is gonna be so much better, it'll pry go Gold 3 times!

  31. Re:s2games by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 1
    Do you happen to work for s2games, or not realize that half-life and half-life2 do NOT share the same game engine. Or have i just been hooked by a troll?


    The funny thing is.. I DO INFACT work for S2games. Well i DID. I was a senior artist as S2 on savage. Left on good terms, they're all great folks.

  32. Re:s2games by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 1

    BTW i did not write the anon post.

  33. Re:Not looking so hot after Doom 3... by EvilCabbage · · Score: 1

    I have to say that after looking through the screenshots from the link there, the engine behind HL2 doesn't look a patch on the Doom 3 engine. In fact, closer to GTA2! The vehicles look pretty angular, and the characters more "cartoony".

    You're confusing artistic interpretation with the ability of the engine. Either one could be used to render, for example, The Simpsons quite easily, but where it's limits lay are the real tests.

  34. April Fools by ir8monkey · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I think their kinda late for an april fools joke.

    1. Re:April Fools by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      "Sorry guys, our April Fool's joke wasn't ready in time,but we promise it'll be done by September"...

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    2. Re:April Fools by paulius_g · · Score: 1

      You mean "August Fools", right?

  35. CS2? by Mattwolf7 · · Score: 0
    Yeah but I think more people are really waiting for Counter Strike 2 (Whatever it is called).

    Tons of people play Counter Strike, and they all complain about how outdated CS is. I think everyone really wants to know if CS2 is going to be ready at the same time as HL2, because thats where the real market is.

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    1. Re:CS2? by Klowner · · Score: 1

      If you own CS:Condition Zero you can beta CS:Source (or CS2, whatever you wish to call it) on Steam right now.

  36. Re:Not looking so hot after Doom 3... by rokzy · · Score: 1

    have you seen the facial detail and animation?

    it blows Doom 3 out of the water and over the horizon.

  37. Re:Not looking so hot after Doom 3... by eric_brissette · · Score: 1

    Doom 3 environments looked good, but I wasn't really impressed with the characters.. Many suffered from a commic book look: tiny head big body syndrome.. And facial expressions were poor and cartoony.

  38. It would help to NOT make Half Life too intensive by xot · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I think the key to the success of CounterStrike & Half Life is that these are not Ultra new age , system hogging games.
    They run on moderately powered PC's as compared to Unreal and other system heavy games.Thats what created the mass apeal as a larger amount of people can play them.If they follow the same principle i think It should do better than the first part.

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  39. let them burn in hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    let them burn in hell as the only system that you could play on it is a windows os, how uncool

    1. Re:let them burn in hell by lowe0 · · Score: 1

      They kinda have to focus on Windows... 95% install base and all that.

      If HL2 on Linux would really sell enough copies to be worth it, why aren't companies tripping over one another to contract the porting rights?

    2. Re:let them burn in hell by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      they have stated depending on the demand the will probably release it on linux. From there it could probably be ported to Mac relatively easily

    3. Re:let them burn in hell by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Won't work, they'll just decide that they need to push out HL2 in the state it is in immediately and Hell would freeze over...

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  40. Re:It would help to NOT make Half Life too intensi by Repugnant_Shit · · Score: 1

    Whatever. When Half-Life came out it choked my 233 non-graphics-accelerated PC. For at least a year after PCs were still being sold without any decent graphics cards.

  41. HL is great but what about Team Fortress? by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Does anyone have any info on when TF2 will be released?

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    1. Re:HL is great but what about Team Fortress? by beaverbrother · · Score: 1

      There haven't been any updates on the release of TF2 in over a year.
      I'm nearly certain that progress has stopped on this project.

    2. Re:HL is great but what about Team Fortress? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will be release on the same cd as DNF.

  42. You got it wrong by Sulka · · Score: 3, Funny

    You can already get the hardware - it just _priced_ like it's weight in gold. ;)

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  43. Half-Life 2 Isn't availible on steam! by beaverbrother · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The only content on steam are things like textures, sounds and maps (things that wont change before the release). No executibles download. The point of this is so that when the game comes out, people can get it really quickly because they will only need to download maybe some scripts and the executable.

    1. Re:Half-Life 2 Isn't availible on steam! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does the other gcf file contain dnf.exe ;)

      (btw, I hope you get your karma back, your the 1st person Ive seen whos paying to post at 0 by default)

  44. Re:First Cake Fart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could I get one of these cakes delivered?

  45. Re:Not looking so hot after Doom 3... by astrotek · · Score: 1

    While some of what you said was true, there is probably no way in hell that someone with a GF4MX can see all the wonderful things on someones face in HL2. In doom3 each rendering pipeline for each card practically looks the same. HL2 will just be a slow mess on anything not ATI.

  46. Obligatory DN4 thread by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gabe also pointed out the Duke Nukem Forever will be out in time for Christmas!!!

    20000000000004

    I can't wait!

  47. Re:It would help to NOT make Half Life too intensi by rpj1288 · · Score: 1

    That is part of the reason. Hell, they even work on the computers at my school!

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  48. From the horse's mouth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Picked from one of the various fora
    From : Gabe Newell <gaben@valvesoftware.com>
    Sent : Saturday, August 28, 2004 9:22 AM
    To : "ctarkin" <ctarkin@digiverse.net>
    Subject : GOLD?

    No, it's 100% fake.

    -----Original Message-----
    Hello Gabe, I've just read the thread in hl2fallout about HL2 going gold on monday.
    As a hardcore fan I must ask: IS THIS REAL?

    Thanks for the kickass game
    Chris 'tarkin'
  49. Well obviously its a hoax... by Kelmenson · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "Going to go gold Monday"?

    Uh, clearly written by somebody who has never had anything go gold... Before something is going gold, you have release candidates. You test the release candidates intensely, and if you find no bugs, then it goes gold. So you can't say on Friday that you are going gold on monday, unless you already know you have no bugs, in which case you already should have gone gold...

    If this were real, he would say that they had a release candidate. The difference between an RC and Gold is testing, which is what will be happening between now and Monday...

    1. Re:Well obviously its a hoax... by xfact0r · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The RC was supposed to be delivered to Vivendi sometime in august, but I believe it was missed.

      I also agree with you that it is a hoax, as the post from hl2fallout.com has come from a proxy server, and the poster has also posted a message boasting about how he has the account.

      On a seperate note, valve included a second test with the preload, the text "password is nova/prospekt this is the second test" has been found in the EXIF information of a jpg inside the preload, more information at halflife2.net forums and #secondtest on irc.quakenet.org

    2. Re:Well obviously its a hoax... by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      You mean they test games for bugs before they release them? ;-)

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  50. Re:Not looking so hot after Doom 3... by Seoulstriker · · Score: 1

    have you seen the facial detail and animation?

    Actually, yes I have. It is almost as good as the Doom 3 facial animations. But I would certainly say the facial geometry of the HL2 models is significantly worse than the models for Doom 3. Not only that, but the unified lighthing system for Doom 3 accentuates the geometry making the faces incredibly lifelike.

    Doom 3 face screenshot
    Half-life 2 face screenshot

    Doom 3 certainly blows HL2 out of the water, and HL2 hasn't even been released yet. And Carmack is already working on Doom 3 engine updates, some of which will significantly help in texturing skin to make people look as close to a photograph as you can get with this technology. Non-unified lighting will significantly hurt HL2 in the "engine war" if you can call it that. Pasted textures on low-geometry faces is not going to cut it, especially when directly comparing it to Doom 3.

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  51. maybe silver? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm curious how many people there are like me who received a voucher with their ATI card for Half-Life II over a year ago?

    Now, we get (no - are forced) to login to Steam to sit like everyone else and try to 'preload' the game. Needless to say, preloading is impossible- Valve has capped their servers and apparently did not plan to scale them accordingly for this.

    So I could care less when the game goes Gold. I'm just curious why they chose to open up preloading to everyone when many people purchased graphics card that included half-life 2; and found out a couple months later that Valve can't maintain network security and our included copy will come in a year or so. I think preloading should have been opened for those who had their vouchers already to pay them back for the deal gone wrong.

    I wonder if postloading (ie, after you pay) will be capped in such a way that very few who have all day to click the preload button will be successful too? Wait...I did already pay...hmm...

  52. It's a fake by fresh27 · · Score: 2, Informative

    somebody guessed his extremely obvious password
    http://members.lycos.co.uk/lemmingzappa/Post.JPG
    http://www.hl2fallout.com/forums/index.php?showtop ic=4221&st=360

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  53. reply from hoax'er by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Maybe he shouldn't have used 'gaben' for his password. Come on Gabe, you could of thought of something better than that


    http://www.hl2fallout.com/forums/index.php?showt op ic=4221&st=360

    maybe this is how his email account was hijacked last year during the leak of the source code last year.
  54. Not to be mean but that is some pathetic hardware by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    A cyrix? For games? Geez. Any game would have spanked that cpu.

    There also was a demo available for Half-Life (not sure if it was available before it was for me but holland is always slow with game releases) wich would have told you if it the game ran on your hardware.

    Your second machine ain't much better for games. Celerons are office machines. Not meant for games.

    This post isn't meant to put you down. I just want to point out that you have to buy the right hardware. Sure cyrix and celerons are cheap but they are also jokes for gaming. You would have been better of with AMD. (Certainly warmer)

    Don't buy "cheap" office hardware and expect to play any games. Better to either save up a bit OR buy cheaper real hardware. Those cheap processors leave out features that games need. Need more in fact then a few extra mhz.

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  55. Oh my god, I can't feel my legs by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

    No, not my legs, the other thing - I can't feel anything from the tiny shrivelled part of my heart that still cared about HL2. It just doesn't look that great, and the sneak peek previews haven't exactly been raving. That, plus the near total silence from the developers other than the gfx card 'bundling' debacle, and it's two thumbs meh from me.

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    1. Re:Oh my god, I can't feel my legs by mrseigen · · Score: 1

      Ditto here. It seems like the more excited gaming fanboys get about it the less I care about it.

      I haven't even bothered to play Doom III past the first fifteen minutes yet.

  56. Pirates? Yarrr! by ThisIsFred · · Score: 1

    I have the preload already. It was only about 1 GB, but I can see where that's large enough to be at least the core game. As far as the game note being ready, there are a bunch of torrents floating around that are supposedly *not* the beta, but the final release. Those are almost 1.2 GB is size, so I'm doubtful that those are the real deal. But what I'm wondering is: Have any of you scurvy dogs grabbed the torrent and tried it?

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    1. Re:Pirates? Yarrr! by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      I'm betting taht tomorrow, or Monday, Gabe Newell will announce that due to the pirates distributing HL2 on torrent networks, the game will be further delayed.

    2. Re:Pirates? Yarrr! by Satertek · · Score: 1

      I havn't seen it, but I would guess it is just the leaked version from last year, or just the Steam cache file which is encrypted, so theres no point to downloading it outside of Steam.

  57. Quite obviously a hoax.. by SushiFugu · · Score: 1

    From later on in the "gold" forum post..

    Gabe Newell
    Valve Software
    Posted: Aug 28 2004, 10:35 AM
    Maybe he shouldn't have used 'gaben' for his password. Come on Gabe, you could of thought of something better than that

    1. Re:Quite obviously a hoax.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well how do you think the HL2 source got stolen in the *first* place?

    2. Re:Quite obviously a hoax.. by imperialstormtrooper · · Score: 1

      haha ga be is obviously the weak link at valve when it comes network security...two high profile embarassment for valve due to his amazing slackassity...someone should revoke all of his computer access and give him a rolodex, abacus, and a copy of hustler. that should keep him busy.

  58. Re:Not to be mean but that is some pathetic hardwa by feidaykin · · Score: 1
    You kinda missed my whole point there buddy. I was making fun of my own hardware, and you pointed out that I had shitty hardware... Obviously I knew it then, I know it now, I was trying to make a joke. ;)

    Back then I was a very, very broke high school student and cheap "office" hardware was all I could afford. In fact most of that hardware was given to me by friends who knew of my desperate need for it. You're 100% right about it being horrid for games, but that was the point of my post... trying to be amusing in the sense that college kids eating all-ramen diets is also amusing. ;)

    And while I will certainly admit the second machine wasn't very good either, it was about a billion and half times faster than the Cyrix, and more than enough to run the orginal Half-Life.

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  59. Funny that by Spuffin · · Score: 1

    I remember when HL came out and I ran it on my 233 non-graphics-accelerated PC without problem. Since the levels were all divided up in small segments, even loading wasn't that bad. Maybe you were just running it at too high a resolution.

  60. My god - Can we actually GET THE GAME PLEASE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is very annoying - this game has been hyped for LONGER than Doom 3, and all of these options are available except for the most important one: Actually being able to PLAY the game!

    I don't care about your Gold, Plantinum, Plutonium Enriched Gray-scale Spiderman UPC edition release - PLEASE just release the game and please stop 8====> teasing us!!!

  61. Re:s2games by eqkivaro · · Score: 1

    Sure it's a small market, but apples aren't. Lets say they sell 10k apple copies. 10k x $90 is a fair few programers

    Computer games on the Mac cost $90?! Well, even if they do, $90K isn't even going to get you two developers with the talent to work on a project like HL2. Maybe not even one.

  62. Re:Not looking so hot after Doom 3... by Jarnis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course you are missing the small detail that all Doom 3 cutscenes are rendered in realtime.

  63. I call bullshit on this. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

    I ran HL on a Cyrix "166" (i.e. 133MHz) in software, it was quite playable (at 320x200). The later added Voodoo allowed the game to be played at 640x480.

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  64. why is this funny? by boarder · · Score: 1

    This should be modded Overrated or Redundant.

    This game is nothing like Doom3; it is NOT graphics intensive. It's more cpu intensive due to greater use of physics and AI.

    This game was demoed last year on high end hardware at amazing speeds. The "leaked" source ran beautifully on my machine then (an Athlon 2000+ with a 9500 Pro and 512MB RAM). CS:Source is playing NOW at cybercafes around the country on normal hardware (I personally played it on athlon 2500+ with an NVidia FX something-or-other).

    I'm personally resigned to this game being VERY underwhelming. We've been hearing hype on it for years, and it was pretty damn cool last year... I think it'll be really damn cool, but I don't think it will be revolutionary or anything. I also know it won't spur nearly as many upgrades as Doom3. Which is odd, because I think this game will be so much more replayable than Doom3. Once you are done with Doom3, there's little incentive to play again from all the reports I've read.

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    1. Re:why is this funny? by mog007 · · Score: 1

      Doom 3 isn't nearly as bad as it used to be. You've got to give id credit with making the game scale back in a useful way. A friend of mine has a Geforce FX 5200 and he can run the game with a smooth framerate.

  65. Re:Not looking so hot after Doom 3... by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Funny

    GTA2 was top down sprites with a little 3d environment, what are you talking about?

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  66. Re:Not looking so hot after Doom 3... by Seoulstriker · · Score: 1

    1. Everything in Doom 3 is rendered in real-time.
    2. The NPCs look as good as the Doom marine as you are looking at them more than you are looking at yourself in the mirror.


    Perhaps you should be comparing unified lighting versus non-unified lighting!

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  67. Collector's Edition? by Fiz+Ocelot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I haven't been able to get a clear idea on exactly what you get with the Collector's Edition. I've heard that it may contain HL1 redone on source engine and TFC redone as well. But no confirmation on that. I certainly would love that if they were included though.

    1. Re:Collector's Edition? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      You get the comforting feeling that you shelled out more than the regular price of the game for a box that says "Collector's Edition" on the front and some extra software that modders would have done for free anyway the second they started working with the new SDK.

      Enjoy your new collectible box. Maybe they'll actually include a cool manual in it instead of a tiny little booklet with 3 pages and an coupon for $1 off the Prima Strategy Guide.

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    2. Re:Collector's Edition? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PC powerplay ran an interview with Valve last issue that stated that source versions of HL1 and CS will be included in collectors edition.

  68. Wrong... by adiposity · · Score: 1

    Half Life was a fairly rig-intensive game when it first came out, and CS was in fact even heavier on systems. In some cases, playing CS required special tweaking, if your computer didn't have enough memory:

    CS uses more RAM than HL and TFC, so those with 32megs of RAM are having problems. In your command line, set -heapsize 32000 -- or try other values, smaller or larger -- depending how much RAM you have. (from counter-strike.net) The reason CS is popular is because it is a great team mod with an appropriate reward system for playing well ($$$), and takes away some of the repetetive running and gunning that results when you respawn constantly. Also, it was based on an engine that was made very popular by HL, so a lot of people were able to start playing without buying a new game.

    Years later, CS is still popular, despite it's aging graphics and hardly updated gameplay. Yes, now anyone with half-way decent hardware can play it, and that may add to its popularity, but that is not the source of it. It was something new, and the rest of the gaming world has yet to come up with something that seriously challenges it in terms of mass appeal.

    I didn't think, after playing CS since the first betas (I quit playing after 1.4, as it had been too many years of the same game!), that I'd ever find fast-paced quake/unreal based game fun again. I was wrong, though--Onslaught is very fun.

    -Dan

  69. Re:It would help to NOT make Half Life too intensi by Cornelius+the+Great · · Score: 1

    My PII/266 with a RivaTNT handled Half-Life just fine. And I had that system before HL even came out.

    I think the only game that came out then that would choke my system was Trespasser.

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  70. Re:s2games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    10k x $90 != $90k
    10k x $90 == $900k

    Should get you two developers. Even those overpriced western ones.

  71. in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And, in related news, the Duke Nukem Forever team has announced plans to rush ahead with their much-anticipated release to meet or beat Valve's release date for Half Life 2. More details when they emerge.

  72. Date of release by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

    The date of release at this point really depends only on two variables. When Vivendi Universal would lie to release it vs. when Valve would. VU would like to release it in november to pad their quarter 4 earnings report. Valve and by this I mean Gabe N.,would like to release it in September. When it is released is dependent on how much pressure Valve can put on VU. They actually have quite alot since I'm sure that they haven't signed anything regarding publishing of HL3 and can always offer to take their business elsewhere

  73. Just what we need by cpu_fusion · · Score: 1
    I was just thinking the other day that we need another first person shooter about extra-dimensional creatures that break into our world due to a secret experiment and only one brave soul can save us.

    That would totally rock!

    1. Re:Just what we need by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      That's the plot for D3, the plot for HL2 promises to be much more complicated

  74. Re:s2games by black+mariah · · Score: 1

    Ever heard of Direct3D?

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  75. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod this guy up.

  76. Even though it was a hoax... by WiredOni · · Score: 1

    And proven false, there are things in this story that still don't add up. Just look at the release dates, who here has heard of a game going gold on Monday, getting all the CDs pressed, games boxed, collector's edition stuff gathered together, shipped so that it will be in all the retailers hands so that there will be no unfair early selling advantages on/before the date, and then have the game 3-4 days later be released?

    I sure haven't, from my understanding that it takes at least half a month to get to the point were the game has gone gold to shipping and in the stores. Doom 3 went gold on July 14th, and wasn't expected to hit the shelves until August 2nd. A 3-4 day window is a huge potential for disaster, and given the way Valve has been bitched at for missing and changing dates I doubt that they would announce it with that time frame.

    Also while the game is undergoing pre-loading, from my understanding it is just the parts that are final (i.e. sounds, some textures, etc) and still leaves Valve open to sending out the final stuff. So while there is evidence of HL2 making some progress, it doesn't mean that the game will be shipping soon.

  77. Re:Not looking so hot after Doom 3... by ravenshrike · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Cartoony?!?, you're playing D3 and you think the Characters in HL2 look cartoony?!?!? Hell the Characters in D3 look like playdough characters with a plastic sheen filtered over their faces. Have you even played CS: Source? Even the characters in that are more real then the characters in D3. That and if you really want to be scared you'll play Silent Hill 4 in the dark at midnight with a damned good 5.1 surround sound system. Of course if you're sacred of D3 you might have a heart attack but oh well!

  78. Re:s2games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Erm, 10k x $90 = $900k.

  79. Re:s2games by slubberdegullion · · Score: 0

    why do people think that half life is based on the quake II engine? Half Life 1 was based on quake I, Half Life 2 is a completely new engine.

  80. Re:Even though it was a hoax... by Cryect · · Score: 1

    There was never any mention of any release date? Just it saying it was going to go gold (and when does someone preannounce it is going to gold?)

  81. They said the same thing about DOOM3 by cbreaker · · Score: 1

    .. And I have a moderately-aged AthlonXP at 2100Mhz with a GeForce 4ti 4600. Game runs fine. I mean, sure, it doesn't run like Quake of course, but the game is so far beyond Quake 3 in graphics tech and it still runs fine. The great thing is, when I upgrade my computer it will look even better!

    If you play games, you must know that you'll need a fairly recent machine to play new games. But I'm sure HL2 will run just fine on my machine. Maybe not at maximum quality, maybe not at maximum resolution, but it will run fine.

    I'd much rather see more games that push the technology to the limit over games that cater to the people that keep on buying two year old technology to save a few bucks.

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  82. Anybody have the HL2 trailer? by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    I guess my HW specs are only good enough for trailers. Wait let me rephrase that. My PC is only good enough for LAN gaming, with all the eye candy set to low, and with 'monochrome' set to 'Y'.

    Does anyone have the old trailer anywhere? (The one that was previewed in one a them Expos or E3 or QuakeCon or whatever).

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  83. oops my mistake by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    Just that I have had to patiently explain to co-workers several time why exactly their celeron that exceeds the minimum spec MHZ still doesn't perform.

    Started with the old 386dx/sx and I guess my bitterness blinded me. Just saw cyrix/celeron and went preachy. Sorry.

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    1. Re:oops my mistake by feidaykin · · Score: 1
      Yeah, don't sweat it, I get preachy about things too. For example I'm pretty die-hard AMD these days, but most computer novice people I speak to won't even consider anything besides a Pentium 4. It also doesn't help that Dell and Gateway don't offer AMDs (at least, last time I checked they don't).

      That does a lot to alter public perception... which sucks. I mean I even have a really big anti P4 rant on my silly site, though it is a bit out of date at this point, and people that I know have read it still act all surprised when I mention I don't like P4s. So all us geeks have issues that we get rabid about, right? ;)

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  84. Re:It would help to NOT make Half Life too intensi by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

    If they follow the same principle i think It should do better than the first part.

    Well, what did you think those delays were for?

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  85. Like grandpa said by Zetra · · Score: 1

    If you write "testlight" too many times youll go blind.

  86. Re:Not looking so hot after Doom 3... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doom 3's models look like shit. The humans look like pointy eared trolls and their facial features are overdone. I don't see too much difference between the facial animation however.

    Nevermind I'm not fond of Doom3's lighting. Ooo! Everything has shadows!11111oen

    Yeah, if only I could fucking see anything. Nevermind that Doom 3 couldn't do an expansive open environment if its life depended on it.

  87. September 13 by golgotha007 · · Score: 1

    from the story at Gamers.com

    ...Half-Life 2 in stores around September 13th at the absolute latest.

  88. Re:Not looking so hot after Doom 3... by karstux · · Score: 1

    Regarding the outdoor environments: What the heck do you base that opinion on? Have you played the Doom3 monorail ride? IMHO, that's a pretty feckin' impressive outdoor scene.

    About the character modeling, I guess it's a matter of taste - I kinda liked it.

    The only thing I was a bit disappointed in was that NPCs couldn't cast shadows on themselves or each other. A real player shadow would have been nice, too.

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  89. No clue... by WiredOni · · Score: 1

    Besides fan speculations, there hasn't been much said about it besides Gabe's vague "The third is the collector's edition SKU with lots of cool bonus stuff for people who like cool bonus stuff."

    So it is anyone's guess as to what the CE will contain, along with the rumored HL: Source it might include a music CD, a making of DVD, an official Half-Life 2 crowbar, Source versions of the HL add-ons, or maybe a head-crab figurine. Until they release more info or the game gets released, all we can do is guess.

  90. Actually, there's a mod for that. by OwP_Fabricated · · Score: 1

    Hit Fileplanet and look around for an "ultra ultra detail" mod. It enables self shadowing, but god help you if you don't have a godbox.

    As for the engine wars, I find Half Life 2 far more beautiful than Doom 3, and I'm saying this having played through all of Doom 3.

    1. Re:Actually, there's a mod for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice to see that Slashdotters are still making authoritative comparisons of graphic quality based on movies and screenshots of games they haven't come out yet.

  91. Poor old Gabe by da_fiend · · Score: 1

    A password of "gaben"!! It looks like he hasn't even learned the basics of network security following Valve's network breach

    1. Re:Poor old Gabe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, he use to work for Microsoft. Maybe that is where he learned security.

  92. Re:Not looking so hot after Doom 3... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, I would say that HL2 has slightly more polys in its characters, at least around the face, in the in-game models(not the normal map ones of course). A major complaint charged against D3's characters is that they have a "conehead" look where the edges are noticably angular, while HL2 seems to have enough detail to avoid this for the most part. I would put this down to D3's use of processing-expensive technology like the normal maps and per-poly collision detection, which necessitates slightly lower detail in the models. Future D3-based games, though, with more optimization and better target hardware specs, will probably be able to blow by this restriction.

  93. Time Is Not On Our Side by chaoticset · · Score: 1

    This just means that the forums will be shut down for six months while they reconfigure it to only accept passwords at least six letters long, in accordance with Valve security policies.

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  94. Forgive him..?... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    he is a former Microsoft employee.

  95. Re:Even though it was a hoax... by WiredOni · · Score: 1

    Ok, I know that retailers usually give dates that are incorrect, and my main point was addressing the write-up's claim of the release dates being close to reality.

    Also I didn't get to see the original post, so I have no clue if it any dates were announced.

    and when does someone preannounce it is going to gold?

    Yeah, most just announce it when they are sure it is done and has been sent off to the presses. Announcing it when it did makes it so easy for them to go "oops, we found an error, so it won't go gold on Monday!" Wouldn't be surprised if this fake poster's intention was to give Valve even more PR problems, I think they wanted this to become a big delay that would push fans and others over the edge.

    How would you feel to hear that after a long period of waiting and delays, it is announced that highly awaited game XYX is going to go gold on Monday, only to have it delayed yet again? I think a lot of people would be very pissed, and that was the reaction that the false poster was going for.

  96. Re:s2games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ever heard of OpenGL?

  97. Gabe! Why oh Why! by SQLz · · Score: 1
    ...the announcement from Gabe Newell, a Valve Software employee, was created by someone who was able to guess the simple password of "gaben" for Gabe's forum account.

    What a dumb ass, you think Gabe would have learned at least something about security by now, espeically taking into account past events. Well, once a Microsoft employee, always a Microsoft employee.

  98. Publicity 101 by Natchswing · · Score: 1
    This is a textbook publicity tactic:

    1. Create a hacked account
    2. Post an outrageous claim
    3. Wait
    4. Retract outrageous claim
    5. Profit
    Note that the above sequence will get your product listed *TWICE* in most major gaming news sites. It's just a publicity stunt. We all know Half Life 2 will not be released for another year atleast. Move along, citizens.

    I mean, seriously, you think with the huge number of script kiddie half life fans not a single one of them tried that simple password until now?

    1. Re:Publicity 101 by mutewinter · · Score: 1

      They could have been more creative then "HL2 goes gold monday?" How about "HL2 is getting pushed back 9 months and Counter Strike Source got cancelled due to lisencing issues."

  99. But anyway, there's always that question... by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

    ...DNF?

  100. Yay! Thanks! (nt) by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    I wish Slashcode would let "no text" really mean no text!!

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  101. Half-Life 2 in the AM by FTPKeen · · Score: 1

    I posted this story at 2am what happen?

  102. > According to HL2 Fallout, the announcement
    > from Gabe Newell, a Valve Software employee,
    > was created by someone who was able to guess
    > the simple password of "gaben" for Gabe's
    > forum account.

    Suspicions were raised when the same announcement also noted how much Gabe "loved to take a nice hard one up the @$$."

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  103. Wow, how surprising. by Sevn · · Score: 1

    So Gabe had a weak password on his forum account. Hmmm. It's quite possible he had a weak password on his PC, and that's why he got "hacked" and we had to wait so long for HL2. Nice. I bet the combination to his luggage is 1-2-3-4-5.

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    1. Re:Wow, how surprising. by RoboRay · · Score: 1

      That reminds me... I really need to change the combination on my luggage.

  104. Remember the boy who cried wolf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gabe Newell ate him.

  105. Don't be a tool... by PFactor · · Score: 1

    According to http://steampowered.com/status/survey.html:
    "ATI Radeon 9600 Series 58,022". That plus my original post = 100K.

    So your post is completely false.

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    1. Re:Don't be a tool... by Corngood · · Score: 1

      And you are quoting numbers from a survey covering an unknown percentage of users, so your numbers are imaginary.

    2. Re:Don't be a tool... by mlyle · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      And you're dumb. He's quoting from a survey with 956,900 samples, of which 58,022 are 'ATI Radeon 9600 Series', and 46,770 have a 9800. So his numbers form an acceptable lower bound saying there's at least 46000+58000 coupons out there. Not counting the fact that A) not everyone in the world participated in the survey, and B) other cards contained coupons.

    3. Re:Don't be a tool... by Corngood · · Score: 1

      1) Other cards contained coupons. 2) Some of those 9600's and 9800's didn't contain coupons (eg. mine). That pretty much destroys any meaning in the numbers.

  106. Pointless, useless, endless.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's the deal.
    IF it was to go gold on Monday why wouldn't they post a PR that it was going to?
    The Steam preload is a desperate attempt at ginning interest in a game that must be more buggy than XP SP2. (or DOS 4 for that matter...)

    I think we are months away from a release. Maybe 6 months before it aint buggy as shiite.

    Here's a tip.
    Play Far Cry.
    Play DOOM3
    Play with yourself, (solitare)
    Do anything but sit there thinking HL2 is going gold monday, cause it aint happenin.

    I remember the 3do. They had a game called "Way of the Warrior", that was going to kick all a$$ known to man. Month after month went by and when it came out it sucked long and hard.

    Ahhh, mammories.

  107. Half Life 2 Voucher Review. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard alot about the ATI/HL2 voucher and naturally thought that the combo of ATI's excellent graphics and HL2's voucher would deliver the most incredible gaming experience ever.

    Anyway, on with the review!!!!!!

    Basics:
    Well the voucher from outward apperance is basically just paper with words on it. The words mention HL2 and really get you revved up to start fraggin gibs, if you know what I mean.

    Graphics:
    Here's where eye candy meets the butt cheek. The voucher is in super high rez three d. I was plaing my voucher on a P4 2.4G with 512MB and a Nvidia TI-4200 and the voucher rocked. Once I get the card installed I expect the voucher will run much better.

    Sound:
    I was a bit disappointed with the sound. The voucher stays pretty quiet unless you wave it around a bit. I suppose tearing it up might make a nice 5.1 RIIIIP noise, but I am holding off on that for now.

    Gameplay:
    You folks who love the control of the original half life games will instantly feel the same realism when holding the voucher. I mean, it really feels like a voucher, it is like you are really there...holding it. Clearly they took a lot of time making sure the voucher felt smooth and realistic.

    Overall and conclusion:

    Overall there is nothing to complain about with the voucher. I have held other vouchers and none can compare to the look and feel of the HL2 voucher. Really nothing quite comes close to holding it and looking at it, and waiting. Waiting is the best part. The endless waiting. I love it.
    The best part, I suppose, is thinking about all wonderful gaming moments I have had playing FARCRY, UT2004, DOOM3, and others, like nox. Such great times, and I owe it all to HL2 not coming ou. Thanks valve. Thanks gabe. oh, btw its gaben ;) Try a sticky note, they work for me. Keep it under your keyboard that will help!

  108. Stupid password, stupid person by Aerion · · Score: 1

    Doesn't it seem like a somewhat bad idea for HL2 Fallout to reveal Gabe's password to everybody? If he is the type of person to use the password "gaben" on one account, he is probably the type of person to use the same password "gaben" on all his accounts. Somebody should really advise him that the whole world now knows his password, and that he should change it immediately (preferably not to "gnewell").

  109. Re:s2games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's just be a port of the windows code to macos. most engines i've seen let u specifiy Direct3d or OpenGL even GLIDE! So i doubt it would take much time or effort to port it over.

    With most mac games it seems its done after the game is released when the developers have a little left over time.

  110. Re:Not voting for Kerry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And everyone else in the war agrees Kerry was there.

  111. LOL by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

    How many times can people fall for the same marketing trick. Infinite.

    1. Re:LOL by kannibal_klown · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "How many times can people fall for the same marketing trick. Infinite."

      Yeh, first it was "Half-Life 2 will work x times better on an ATI card than nVidia," but that has proven to be BS. There are some rumors floating around that the 5x00 video cards are having some DX 9 problems with CS:Source, but I haven't read them yet, and it doesn't affect me anyway.

      Then, it was "DOOM 3 will work x times better with an nVidia 6800 GT/Deluxe than an ATI card." Once ATI fixed their OpenGL support in their drivers a little, this point was moot.

      THEN, you have all of these game saying "Best played with ATI" or "nVidia, the way it was meant to be played." I find these annoying, particularly when the nVidia ad plays every time you start a certain game.

      However, I think Valve's "statements" and ATI's Half-Life 2 coupon helped them a LOT more in sales than any of nVidia-based card companies. Not saying they were true, just saying TONS of people bought 9800XT's because HL-2 was supposed to "run great on it," and it came with the free STEAM coupon.

      In the end, it SHOULD all come down to 2 things:
      1) Price
      2) Company experience

      Personally, my recent venture into ATI left me feeling a little wanting. My driver experience wasn't the best, and other things bugged me. So, when I built a new machine, I went back to my good old nVidia-based cards.So far, their quality has remained true.

  112. Wonderful security. by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

    So they use unpatched outlook, don't update their virus scanner's dat files and have easy to guess passwords..

    I smell another delay with a silly excuse.

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  113. Re:Not looking so hot after Doom 3... by TheBot · · Score: 1

    I don't think id was really concerned about facial expressions and comic book style models...I think they were more interested in creating an enviroment to make the user paranoid, scared, and ready to jump at any minute.

  114. Freudian slip? by liquiddark · · Score: 1
    When Vivendi Universal would lie to release it(...)
    Interesting choice of words...