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Re:News for nerds ...
Same was for Bush support when he decided to send troops to Irak.
Are you equating Iraq with Ukraine?!... Wow... Let's see. You confused Mr. Nobel with "nobility". And you spell Iraq with a "k". Must be a Russian...
When YOUR people invade OTHER people, it's a good thing.
It was a good thing — Saddam Hussein did to Kuwait, what Putin is doing to Ukraine right now, and under very similar pretexts.
We kicked him out with his tail between his legs, but did not pursue so as to "give peace a chance". A chance, which Saddam Hussein has blown over the course of 10 years. We were justified in resuming hostilities much earlier than that, but Clinton didn't have, what it takes. Bush did.
When neither are YOUR people
What? Ukrainians are not "our" people? That's a relief. At least, you aren't claiming, the Maidan revolt was organized by American spies... Maybe, not all is lost in Russia after all...
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Re:Which Invasion?
Russia had plausible deniability by only supplying things like T-64s to the rebels, but as the rebels were losing it seems Putin couldn't accept that and now there are numerous photos of T-72BMs in the Ukraine and the Russian military is the only military in the world to have access to and operate these:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/worl...
Similarly, Russian mothers are beginning to ask why their sons are coming back in coffins due to unexplained deaths from a "training exercise" on the Ukrainian border, and where reporters attending their funerals are attacked by mobs that have nothing to do with the funerals in question but magically turn up at them to keep journalists away all the same. Then of course there's the actual Russian soldiers who were outright captured in Ukraine:
http://www.theguardian.com/wor...
Of course, we have history, just this year too, where Crimea was filled with "rebels" who Putin eventually admitted were Russian soldiers, so it's obviously well within Putin's realm of willingness to pass of serving soldiers as civilians until their mission is complete, which, by the way, is a war crime for what it's worth - yes, that's right, admitting this tactic makes Putin a self-admitted war criminal.
When MH-17 was shot down, and it was just T-64s and modern machine guns the rebels had it seemed a bit of a stretch, yet still plausible that this was just a rag tag bunch of individuals fighting on behalf of Russia. Now, with more recent evidence you'd have to be exceptionally retarded to not recognise that Russia is very clearly in the Ukraine with full serving units (hell, the 10 captured soldiers prove that as an outright fact by itself whether you really believe they were lost or not, you don't just allow your soldiers to stumble into a war zone accidentally unless you want them to end up in a potential fight). This is why the tide of battle has changed too from being strongly in the Ukrainian military's favour to now being in the Russia's favour - the Ukrainians are no longer fighting relatively lightly armed insurgents, they're fighting full blown armoured battalions backed up by professionally precision launched artillery strikes all of a sudden - that doesn't just get organised out of nowhere by rebels in a couple of cut off towns with little remaining access to the outside world and dwindling numbers, that requires state level planning, implementation, and financing over an extended period of time to implement - i.e. it requires a professional army.
At this point the only hope is that enough Russian soldiers are killed such that Russians themselves start asking what the fuck they're doing in someone else's country that has done absolutely nothing wrong to Russia (other than hurting Putin's ego) when there's a simple solution of leaving that country the fuck alone and letting it get on with becoming a modern nation even if it does mean Putin's little big man syndrome takes a knock. Thankfully that already seems to be happening to some degree with the Russian soldier's rights institute that's compiled a list of the 400 dead Russian soldiers it believes have been killed in this war already - putting that into context that's very nearly as many lives as the British have lost in 13 years in Afghanistan so thankfully there is a high cost to Russia for this stupidity, and thankfully it is beginning to be noticed by ordinary Russians themselves.
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Re:What will it take?Despite the shorter longevity of methane in the atmosphere, the danger it poses for runaway greenhouse warming well overwelms any benefit from its short lifespan, as is well recognised, such as its triggering of ground-level ozone, yet another potent greenhouse gas. As you note, fracking is yet another voluminous source of methane, so its short lifespan in the atmosphere is no comfort. In short, it's a runaway effect because CO2 releases lead to Methane releases, which lead to more and more Methane release, which dominoes to other potent greenhouse gases. Textbook runaway warming. So, what was your objection?
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Re:Wait.... what?
I don't watch RT or any other TV channel. I quite purposefully read only blogs - from both sides. And only one side is sane right now, guess which one. Mind you, these roles were completely reversed in the first months of the Maidan revolution.
About the invasion: "It's quite hard to prove the Russian involvement" - words of OSCE monitor about the "Russian invasion". But don't take my words, look it up: http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/r... -
Re:Bad timing, Apple
It appears to be confirmed now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/...
Worryingly some of the affected claim that the images which were leaked had been deleted years ago. If you want your iCloud account deleted rather than just made inactive you have to call Apple and get a tech to call you back.
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Re:How I know that Russian troops are not in Ukrai
"You know, maybe some of us should complain to Slashdot about the Obama/Poroshenko-bots that reliably and consistently troll every single story about this conflict? You know, the ones who imply that anyone who even slightly skeptical about the propaganda we're all being fed, must be Russian or a paid Kremlin propagandist?"
No, we don't think that, we just think you're naive and stupid. But those who clearly are Kremlin propagandists (maybe not paid, just naive native Russians) with their broken English and undisguised love of Putin should just as well be allowed to be called out on it.
I wouldn't pretend to defend everything the Ukrainian army has done, but I'm still siding with Ukraine on this because everything from shooting down of a civilian airliner to annexed Crimea's Tatar population having their houses marked with X's and the disappearance of those who protest that annexation are all kinds of evil created by Putin that simply cannot be defended.
What you don't do is help your case with arguments like this, which are trivially debunked:
"Poroshenko has claimed Ukraine was invaded like ten times already."
So? Maybe that's because he is?
"He claimed he was being "invaded" by a fucking aid convoy, including after Putin's honesty about it's contents had been verified by international journalists and the Red Cross."
Why on Earth are you lying about this? The Red Cross themselves explicitly said they were only allowed to examine about 35 of 70 lorries that crossed the border and so could not support it, a bunch of journalists got a glimpse inside some they weren't supposed to see and they were basically empty. Why? What was going to be put in them at the border?
"We know what an invasion looks like. It looks like what the USA did to Iraq."
Oh I see, you're one of those people who in 2003 was, like many of us saying "The Iraq war is wrong!" but unlike the rest of us you're unable to let something go from 11 fucking years ago? That doesn't paint you as someone rational we should listen to. This has nothing to do with Iraq - that happened, it was an unacceptable fuckup, but it was a fuckup perpetrated by a regime who hasn't been in power for 6 years.
"It looks like Russian flags flying above Kiev and Russian tanks rolling down the streets to the parliament building."
This is just stupid. Why do you feel an invasion has to be fully fledged? Are you saying that Israel didn't in fact recently invade Gaza because they only kept tanks on the outskirts, only sent troops into the streets, and didn't raise the Israeli flag over Gaza? Putin has done what he's done because plausible deniability allows him to cast doubt on whether Russia deserves full blown sanctions, he was hoping he could take over Eastern Ukraine and not have anyone able to hold him immediately responsible for it. Unfortunately for him due to a variety of fuckups such as Russian soldiers being captured in Ukraine, and tanks that are operated by no one in the world other than the Russian military (T-72BMs) now turning up it's pretty clear it's Russia in there and no one else:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/worl...
What's worse is that this is exactly what they did a few months ago in Crimea and now even admit it - why are you so adamant that they wouldn't do the same in Eastern Ukraine as they admitted to doing there? Something which is, for what it's worth, a war crime- dressing a professional army as civilians is a breach of international law, and unlike Bush who was simply arguably a war criminal, Putin is a self-admitted war criminal.
But you keep defending a war criminal based on half-assed information if it makes you feel like a cool counter-culture hipster or whatever you think you are.
Using the age old argument of "America fucked up once, so this isn't Putin and if it was it'd be justified anyway" makes you look like an exceptional kind of idiot. The world isn't that black and white, and two wrongs don't make a right.
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Sounds like Kashmir conflict
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Re:Send in the drones!
Putin is doing everything 100% right (this article about invasion is total BS by the way). He is staying out of direct conflict, while supporting the rebels.
Explain how invading and annexing the Crimea is 'staying out of direct conflict'. Even Putin eventually got to the point where he couldn't deny they were Russian troops and keep a straight face, and admitted his Little Green Men were in fact Russian military. And explain how Russian troops, captured on Ukrainian soil http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28934213, are 'staying out of direct conflict'. Russia doesn't even deny they're Russian troops. And explain why NATO satellites have caught Russian artillery on Ukrainian soil http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28972878 and that's not 'direct conflict'. And last of all, explain how Russian SA-11 surface-to-air-missiles shooting down Ukrainian aircraft and a civilian airliner is 'staying out direct conflict'. A SAM battery is a complex system, not the kind of thing where you can just pick up the instruction manual, and they're typically operated by a team. How would a popular uprising find a trained crew for a SAM battery? The Ukrainian military doesn't even use the SA-11, so the only place to get a trained crew is from Russia.
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Re:Send in the drones!
Putin is doing everything 100% right (this article about invasion is total BS by the way). He is staying out of direct conflict, while supporting the rebels.
Explain how invading and annexing the Crimea is 'staying out of direct conflict'. Even Putin eventually got to the point where he couldn't deny they were Russian troops and keep a straight face, and admitted his Little Green Men were in fact Russian military. And explain how Russian troops, captured on Ukrainian soil http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28934213, are 'staying out of direct conflict'. Russia doesn't even deny they're Russian troops. And explain why NATO satellites have caught Russian artillery on Ukrainian soil http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28972878 and that's not 'direct conflict'. And last of all, explain how Russian SA-11 surface-to-air-missiles shooting down Ukrainian aircraft and a civilian airliner is 'staying out direct conflict'. A SAM battery is a complex system, not the kind of thing where you can just pick up the instruction manual, and they're typically operated by a team. How would a popular uprising find a trained crew for a SAM battery? The Ukrainian military doesn't even use the SA-11, so the only place to get a trained crew is from Russia.
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Re:Alternate views
It seems all governments do that at the moment. The USA even does so publicly.
Regardless, if you believe anyone who merely questions the obvious propaganda being bandied about by both sides is a paid employee of The Other Side then you're delusional. I'm hardly anonymous on this forum and my account dates back I'd guess about 13-14 years. The Guardian comment made claims that made me curious and is, at minimum, merely repeating claims made in other news outlets, which is worthy of exploration by itself.
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Re:This is already happening in parts of England
Grampian Police started this a year ago and the police in London in May.
Grampian isn't part of England.
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Re:This is already happening in parts of England
Grampian Police started this a year ago and the police in London in May.
Grampian isn't part of England.
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This is already happening in parts of England
Grampian Police started this a year ago and the police in London in May.
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This is already happening in parts of England
Grampian Police started this a year ago and the police in London in May.
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Re:Feedback loops
You are looking at the wrong end point. Yes, the planet will survive. Very few people are worried about that. You have to be a real doomer / gloomer to stay away worrying about Venus level runaway heating. But you can have a number of other scenarios that can be considered less than pleasant:
- Intensifying the sixth major extinction event. The other five really changed the planet around, much to Randall's comfort. The planet will survive this next one but since apex predators tend to be significantly effected and humans are the ultimate apex predator, this might be considered a Bad Idea.
- Increasing temperatures increase arable land (generally). The problem is that of time frames. It may take hundreds of thousands of years to convert warm swamps into farmland. Most Americans can't handle fasting between gas stations, much less millennia
- Increasing resource stresses - you may have noticed that humans are having a bit of a problem creating stable geopolitical structures during geologically and biologically stable periods. Add big swings in weather / climate, no matter which way, creates more stressors and more reasons for us not to get along with each other.
- Which segues into another bit of bad timing. Changing climate while simultaneously cranking human population to over seven billion. For a number of important resources it can be argued that we have exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet. The degree and speed of upcoming climate events may well overcome our ability to feed, water and house all of us.So, it's not even a big issue which way the climate goes. The only way climate can mitigate the other problems is if it stays relatively constant. That doesn't appear to be happening.
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Stolen scripts and rushes
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Re:Here's the interesting paragraph
No law, it's the UK Treasury saying this is what they'll do. Damn silly idea if you ask me, but to be honest I suspect - like the OP above - that they're just posturing and will back down when it's no longer expedient.
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Re:Should be interesting RE- Nato
Hmmm, that's interesting - got a citation? Only time I've heard people talking about "passports to enter England" it's been Better Together canvassers. The Yes campaign deride the idea as ludicrous - for precisely the reasons you mention.
The Home Secretary's view: Theresa May would seek passport checks between Scotland and England
The Depute First Minister's view: We would have a Scottish passport. My passport says EU as well as British citizen and that's the point. We've got right of free travel. We can go to Ireland without a passport.
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Re:Here's the interesting paragraph
And the article gets a pass on citations because
... why?Anyhow - check out the following:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-s...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-s...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-s...
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-...
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Re:Here's the interesting paragraph
And the article gets a pass on citations because
... why?Anyhow - check out the following:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-s...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-s...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-s...
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-...
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Re:Here's the interesting paragraph
And the article gets a pass on citations because
... why?Anyhow - check out the following:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-s...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-s...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-s...
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-...
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Re:god dammit.
Here's one: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-e... Well, just a serious maiming rather than killing, but still...
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In office: Slashdot comment
Dear Slashdot,
I am currently in the office attempting to work, so I am unable to post a funny, informative or insightful comment on this story. I expect to be goofing off again in an hour or so at which time I will give your story my full attention.
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Not to mention falling ice from skyscrapers
Speaking of Toronto, here in Canada we have this thing called "winter". Snow falls, sticks to buildings, turns to ice, and eventually falls off. This can be dangerous... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ame...
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Re:Sieg Hall?
Yes wow
:)
As for the need to pull young people in your getting close to Young Pioneer Organization of the Soviet Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Paramilitary group as with Hitler Youth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The "military training contexts" as mentioned seems to stand out long term, as with the desperate drive for more basic quality science and math and beyond.
The UK seem to have consider the same need for science and to build the ranks of its gov and private sectors with:
GCHQ staff teach 'future spies' in schools (09 March 11)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobi...
The most basic question is why dont they all just pump cash into selective normal academic school funding as is, no questions in the press, test, guide, fund, suggest or scholarship out as needed?
Why the need now for a generation rush to push of "military training contexts" in wider public education? Whats missing or not working now? What is so needed in a few years for an entire generation? -
"Revealing Japan's low-tech belly"This BBC article is four years old now (I remember submitting it to Slashdot at the time, but it wasn't greenlit). However, it's probably still quite informative about aspects of Japan that aren't quite as high-tech as the stereotypical image would suggest:-
Police stations without computers, 30-year-old "on hold" tapes grinding out tinny renditions of Greensleeves, ATMs that close when the bank does, suspect car engineering, and kerosene heaters but no central heating.
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Despite the country's showy internet speeds and some of the cheapest broadband around many Japanese are happier doing things the old way.
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Considering Japan's top heavy society of over 50s, many of whom have not got to grips with the internet, and who make up 30% of the population and that figure begins to make sense. [..] "The easiest way to tell is whether they have an e-mail address on the all-important name card. If they're over 50 and don't have an e-mail address, it's a dead giveaway that you either use the phone or forget about contacting them." [..] Some say this technophobic demographic helps explain why many of Japan's industries do not benefit from IT. -
Re:The problem is false negative
Yes, we've all seen dozens of those science fiction stories where they steal people's eyes, or cut off their fingers, or take swabs of their DNA.
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Re:Self-awareness
It won't crash into Earth. The moon is ever so slowly leaving us.
You can read more in this article from the BBC.
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Re:*cough* Bullshit *cough*
Law enforcement should surely investigate, but unless there is something life threatening a judge would be foolish to give a warrant for here-say accusation.
The requirements for a issuing a warrant are much less stringent, than for a court conviction — they have to be. A warrant is issued over a mere probable cause, whereas a conviction requires "beyond reasonable doubt". In other words, while hearsay is not enough for a trial, the term does not even apply in a non-court setting. Consider the circumstances: whereas your landlord may have planted the drugs in your bedroom to get rid of an inconvenient tenant, there is no incentive for Google (or Microsoft) to falsely implicate one of their users, so if they do report them to police anyway, it is probable, there is something behind the accusation.
But in either case — be it landlord or e-mail service provider — a judge may issue a warrant if he agrees with the police, that probable cause exists, even if they all remain reasonably doubtful.
Obviously a kidnapping (as well as other crimes)
For better or worse, it is generally agreed in this country (and most others), that child pornography is both as vile and urgent, as anything else you can think of.
issue a warrant without an investigation
In the US "investigation" is not something the judge (or the jury) does. Police investigate and then present whatever they found.
certainly rare because they may not hold up in court as Constitutional
Once a judge has issued a warrant, the Constitutional requirements are satisfied. Because, as I said, it does not matter, what arguments were used to convince him to issue it. The 4th Amendment is only there to ensure Judicial oversight of police. And that's enough for decent living because, after all, a search warrant itself does not mean conviction (or even further prosecution) — the ensuing search still has to find something.
I'll need to read more on these proceedings because there is surely a mismatch between your statement and the headline.
Oh, but they are consistent. The e-mail provider finds (what appears to be) criminal material and forwards it to police — the "tip" mentioned in the headline. Police take the material to a judge, who issues a warrant for a search (in Google's case) or arrest (in Microsoft's case). Police arrest the subject and get him to incriminate himself (in Microsoft case) or search the suspect's possessions and find more criminal material. While the originating tips themselves couldn't be used to convict, each was enough to begin an investigation which uncovered more evidence — as is very often happens in criminal prosecutions.
Now, because police could (and did) abuse their powers with malicious prosecutions, an officer's own "hunch" can no longer justify initiation of an investigation — nor even asking for your ID. But an anonymous tip about a "suspicious person" in the neighborhood is still sufficient for them to have a reasonable suspicion and harass such person over nothing more than a glance at some soccer mom's precious daughter.
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Re:Be glad
China could probably imprison everyone who *might* dissent and still have fewer people incarcerated than we do in the US.
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Re:Not about leverage or influence
Nothing's proving Russia right when there's a wall of evil doings proving the counter. Snowden is one of the few things they can genuinely cling on to.
For all of the US' wrongs there's nothing changing the fact that Russia is an evil empire, well, that's a lie, it's not an empire any more thank god, it just wants to be, but it's still evil.
Let's just look at a few of the things they've done this year alone, let's start near the beginning of the year where the scene is that there is a popular uprising against Russian influenced Yanukovych, during these protests a number of key protesters were abducted by men with accents from Russia itself, some were left to die but managed to live to tell the tale:
http://www.rferl.org/content/u...
http://www.rferl.org/content/u...
Others weren't quite so lucky:
http://www.reddit.com/r/worldn...
The uprising was eventually successful, in response, Russia sent in breach of the Geneva convention soldiers into Crimea posing as civilians and annexed the territory, despite the fact that only a few weeks prior it was clear that there was nothing like majority support for joining Russia:
http://www.cityam.com/blog/139...
Coupled with the unverifiable "poll" and the followon fuckup by Russian bureaucrats in posting the actual results that show there was actually no majority support for joining Russia it became fairly obvious it was an illegal annexation of foreign territory. Of course, it didn't stop there. The Crimean Tatar population that did not want to join Russia have since been treated like Jews in Nazi Germany circa 1939 with their houses being marked:
http://www.turkishpress.com/ne...
Other Tatars have simply been disappeared by death squads:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/maga...
The rest of them? Well, they just get silenced and beaten:
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/...
If this sort of thing doesn't send chills down your spine as to how close it is to the way the Nazis operated then there's something wrong with you.
Since then of course there's been the case of Russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine, the debate goes on about whether they're genuinely Ukrainians that want to join Russia, or whether they're simply Russian special forces, or a mix of both, but either way, what's not in dispute is the following and that Russia wholeheartedly supports them:
- They admitted having Buk and shooting down MH17 believing it was a Ukrainian military transport:
http://www.reuters.com/article...
http://www.themalaysianinsider...
- They've been abducting, torturing, and parading civilians:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...
- They've admitted to carrying out summary executions:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/worl...
- And they've been preventing all males from leaving the warzones they've been part of the
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Re:Not about leverage or influence
Nothing's proving Russia right when there's a wall of evil doings proving the counter. Snowden is one of the few things they can genuinely cling on to.
For all of the US' wrongs there's nothing changing the fact that Russia is an evil empire, well, that's a lie, it's not an empire any more thank god, it just wants to be, but it's still evil.
Let's just look at a few of the things they've done this year alone, let's start near the beginning of the year where the scene is that there is a popular uprising against Russian influenced Yanukovych, during these protests a number of key protesters were abducted by men with accents from Russia itself, some were left to die but managed to live to tell the tale:
http://www.rferl.org/content/u...
http://www.rferl.org/content/u...
Others weren't quite so lucky:
http://www.reddit.com/r/worldn...
The uprising was eventually successful, in response, Russia sent in breach of the Geneva convention soldiers into Crimea posing as civilians and annexed the territory, despite the fact that only a few weeks prior it was clear that there was nothing like majority support for joining Russia:
http://www.cityam.com/blog/139...
Coupled with the unverifiable "poll" and the followon fuckup by Russian bureaucrats in posting the actual results that show there was actually no majority support for joining Russia it became fairly obvious it was an illegal annexation of foreign territory. Of course, it didn't stop there. The Crimean Tatar population that did not want to join Russia have since been treated like Jews in Nazi Germany circa 1939 with their houses being marked:
http://www.turkishpress.com/ne...
Other Tatars have simply been disappeared by death squads:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/maga...
The rest of them? Well, they just get silenced and beaten:
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/...
If this sort of thing doesn't send chills down your spine as to how close it is to the way the Nazis operated then there's something wrong with you.
Since then of course there's been the case of Russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine, the debate goes on about whether they're genuinely Ukrainians that want to join Russia, or whether they're simply Russian special forces, or a mix of both, but either way, what's not in dispute is the following and that Russia wholeheartedly supports them:
- They admitted having Buk and shooting down MH17 believing it was a Ukrainian military transport:
http://www.reuters.com/article...
http://www.themalaysianinsider...
- They've been abducting, torturing, and parading civilians:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...
- They've admitted to carrying out summary executions:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/worl...
- And they've been preventing all males from leaving the warzones they've been part of the
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Re:In Orbit?
It will use thrusters to maintain orbit, because the gravity is indeed insufficient:
"Rosetta will have to continue to fire its thrusters every few days to maintain a hyberbolic orbit at 100km above the rotating rock. "
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Electrical Network Frequency analysis
The hum that helps to fight crime (ENF) Electrical Network Frequency analysis
"For the last seven years, at the Metropolitan Police forensic lab in south London, audio specialists have been continuously recording the sound of mains electricity.
It is an all pervasive hum that we normally cannot hear. But boost it a little, and a metallic and not very pleasant buzz fills the air.
..."The power is sent out over the national grid to factories, shops and of course our homes. Normally this frequency, known as the mains frequency, is about 50Hz," explains Dr Alan Cooper, a senior digital forensic practitioner at the Met Police.
Any digital recording made anywhere near an electrical power source, be it plug socket, light or pylon, will pick up this noise and it will be embedded throughout the audio.
This buzz is an annoyance for sound engineers trying to make the highest quality recordings. But for forensic experts, it has turned out to be an invaluable tool in the fight against crime.
While the frequency of the electricity supplied by the national grid is about 50Hz, if you look at it over time, you can see minute fluctuations.
...Comparing the unique pattern of the frequencies on an audio recording with a database that has been logging these changes for 24 hours a day, 365 days a year provides a digital watermark: a date and time stamp on the recording.
Philip Harrison, from JP French Associates, another forensic audio laboratory that has been logging the hum for several years, says: "Even if [the hum] is picked up at a very low level that you cannot hear, we can extract this information."
It is a technique known as Electric Network Frequency (ENF) analysis, and it is helping forensic scientists to separate genuine, unedited recordings from those that have been tampered with."
- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scie...
- http://cryptogon.com/?p=32789#
Met lab claims 'biggest breakthrough since Watergate'
Power lines act as police informers- http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...
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Noisy, muffled, incoherent recordings are an audio engineerâ(TM)s worst nightmare, but all too often they contain vital evidence in criminal trials. Itâ(TM)s the job of the forensic audio specialist to extract that evidence.
- http://www.soundonsound.com/so...
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(discussion forum) Electrical network frequency analysis, Mains frequency variations detectable in digital audio recordings?
- http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/f...
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Met Police use electrical 'hum' to solve crimes
The Metropolitan Police is using the "hum" of background noise produced by mains electricity to help solve crimes, it has been disclosed.
- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...
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Related Research
- http://www.ece.umd.edu/~ravig/...#
Engineers Use Electrical Hum To Fight Crime
- http://science.slashdot.org/st...
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Howâ(TM)s the 60Hz coming from your wall?
- http://hackaday.com/2012/07/24...
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Detecting Edited Audio
- https://www.schneier.com/blog/...
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Dating Recordings by Power Line Fluctuations
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Citations
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Re:Online in England, maybe
You're forgetting:
3a. Rush it through the legislative process, so opponents have as little time as possible to act
http://www.theguardian.com/tec...
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Re: Tag, you're it!
Do you have a credible reference for that? Because the closest thing to what you describe that I could find from a google search on "bbc rockets fired from hospital" is
Israel says rockets have been fired from Basman al-Ashi's hospital, a charge his staff deny completely.
He said / she said, and therefore meaningless. Certainly no doctor admitting that anything was fired from within a hospital. Much less on screen.
So... link?
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Re:Don't let the facts get in your way
So. You are able to regurgitate the Israeli propaganda that was fed to the world's press organizations, 40 years ago - building the myth of the ruthless Palestinian and the incomparable IDF.
But the BBC - that revolutionary hotbed of anti-Israeli sentiment - had this to report, confirming what Victor Ostrovsky and others had intimated for many years:
But newly released documents contain a claim that the 1976 rescue of hostages, kidnapped on an Air France flight and held in Entebbe in Uganda, was not all it seemed.
A UK government file on the crisis, released from the National Archives, contains a claim that Israel itself was behind the hijacking.
An unnamed contact from the Euro-Arab Parliamentary Association told a British diplomat in Paris that the Israeli Secret Service, the Shin Bet, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) collaborated to seize the plane.
The flight was seized shortly after it took off from Athens and was flown to Entebbe, where 98 people were held hostage, many of them Israeli citizens.
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Re:So much unnecessary trouble
"Russians don't care as much as we do. They separate private and business life a lot more strongly, from what I gather. Of course there's a lot of propaganda involved as well."
Are you actually serious? The country which suffers corruption to the extent that many people's entire private lives are destroyed to remove competitors due to police corruption separates private and business life more strongly? In Russia people literally get jailed, sometimes even killed in custody because a business competitor paid the police to make sure that happens.
Just yesterday the Hague ruled against Russia to the tune of $50bn because Putin and his cronies did exactly this to Khodorkovsky with no regard to the shareholders that invested honestly ending up also as victims of their personal vendetta:
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Re:Nudity
These blades are highly regulated. When Oscar Pistorius lost in the 200m paralympic amputee final in London in 2012, he had a rant about the length of the blades of his opponent. It's well known that long blades give an advantage over legs, hence the regulation.
What I find difficult is the classification of disability. Whilst some disabilities are relatively easily defined, most are not. Whether you're successful or not can depend on which category you're placed in, not how good an athlete you are. See here for an example.
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Re:Real world consequences
The story about Chernobyl is far from clear. See, for example:
http://unconventionaltravel.co...
http://www.sciencedaily.com/re...And, in my view most impressive:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffi...
Note that human beings are mammals; so, if other mammals thrive in an area, presumably human being would too (if not excluded by regulations).
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Re:Boobies
My hobby: Making clean jokes.
What about this BBC headline? "Great tits cope well with warming"
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Re:Wait for it...
It could well have been another Muslim pilot like mh370.
Why use hearsay when we know it was an american built plane!
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Re:Wait for it...
It could well have been another Muslim pilot like mh370.
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Re:"unwarranted invasion of personal privacy"
The governments of America's allies probably care about their citizens being killed in attacks as has happened before:
Madrid train attacks
Bali death toll set at 202
7 July London attacksAnd attempts to repeat that sort of thing continue:
09 Jul 2014 - Islamist plot to blow up Eiffel Tower, Louvre and nuclear power plant foiled, say French police
Mass murder is one of the worst deprivations of rights.
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Re:"unwarranted invasion of personal privacy"
The governments of America's allies probably care about their citizens being killed in attacks as has happened before:
Madrid train attacks
Bali death toll set at 202
7 July London attacksAnd attempts to repeat that sort of thing continue:
09 Jul 2014 - Islamist plot to blow up Eiffel Tower, Louvre and nuclear power plant foiled, say French police
Mass murder is one of the worst deprivations of rights.
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Re:So
This isn't confined to America - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-e...
If a private citizen had done something like this it would prosecuted as Tampering with Evidence. But if the police do it, they get away with it... -
Re:"Emergency" laws.
And the reason this was *scheduled* for news release today?
Because there was a public sector strike too (they knew which would get the TV headlines).
Plus the lame nods about "sunset" clause (yeah right) and reviews of RIPA (yeah, heard that one before).
What do the people of this fine land think?
Well, you only need to start reading the comments to see.
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Re:Consipricy nuts, go!
Meanwhile Russia has actually kidnapped a Ukrainian doing nothing illegal beyond defending her country against Russian state sponsored terrorists:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/worl...
I have zero sympathy for Russia in this case given that they're crying wolf whilst doing exactly what they're crying about to others.
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"It's just metadata"
The BBC news is reporting that apparently it's not as bad as it could be because it's not storing the content of phone-calls made, just who was called and when.
Anyone who wants to know just how powerful mere "metadata" actually is should go read http://kieranhealy.org/blog/ar... .