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  1. Re:Now that's justice... by technix4beos · · Score: 3, Informative · on Microsoft Settles Be Antitrust Suit for $23.25M
    I'll go through your points one by one.

    You're right when you consider how the average user thinks about their computing desires and the choices available to them. As long as we're going down this olive branch, I ask you to allow me to go through your points one by one.

    • 'spreadsheet'

      YellowTab has a screenshot showing they are improving the AbiWord office package here. There is a donation page to help port OpenOffice to BeOS. Last but not least, GoBe at one time announced they would port GP 3.0 to BeOS, providing they had enough sales of the windows side. Sadly, this did not work out as intended. That's another topic for discussion. ;)
    • 'instant messaging'

      The venerable and solid repository of BeOS applications' BeBits has these entries for instant messaging applications:

      There are more, but I chose to show three examples of chat protocals.
    • 'surf the web'

      Both Mozilla and FireBird have been ported to BeOS for quite some time now. In fact, just 2 days ago there was a new build directly from the cvs server for BeOS of Mozilla. I believe the current direction is towards FireBird, since it's just the browser, but that's a good thing. ;) I won't mention Opera, as the jury is out until Zeta comes out
    • '3D Games'

      You've got that one, I will admit. but it's not so hot either on any OS other than Microsoft's, so it's a poor example for debate.


    I do hear through the grapevine that CounterStrike has been ported for BeOS, but that is pure speculation at this point. ;) I'll also point out that there were two seperate ports of Quake3 TEST made for BeOS. One by Be Inc., the other by id software.

    Also, thinking back to that time period, there was an excellent review article on BeNews.com that illustrated just how great the openGL implementation was heading towards for BeOS. Again, time will reveal more when Zeta comes out, as it supposedly has openGL support for Radeon and NVidia chipsets.

    The main basis for development was already underway by the time that BeOS R5 Pro/PE came out, starting with the excellent groundwork in R4.5 of openGL, and the overhaul of the networking stack and media kit. Given a few more years, at the pace that BeOS was being released at (every 8 months on average), there would have been no doubt in anyone's mind who was active in the community as to how great it could have been.

    That was then. This is now. The future is with OpenBeOS and YellowTab, and the other development OS projects.

    I wanted to address your points, because I felt you were not giving BeOS a fair shake. There were quite a few companies who were making some serious headway, not only in software, but in hardware products such as HARP (Home Audio Reference Platform), BeIA webpads, Audio Recording stations, and more.

    Thanks for raising these important user requirements to light. If you have any points you would like to address to me, please feel free to do so.
  2. Re:Now that's justice... by technix4beos · · Score: 3, Informative · on Microsoft Settles Be Antitrust Suit for $23.25M
    I'll go through your points one by one.

    You're right when you consider how the average user thinks about their computing desires and the choices available to them. As long as we're going down this olive branch, I ask you to allow me to go through your points one by one.

    • 'spreadsheet'

      YellowTab has a screenshot showing they are improving the AbiWord office package here. There is a donation page to help port OpenOffice to BeOS. Last but not least, GoBe at one time announced they would port GP 3.0 to BeOS, providing they had enough sales of the windows side. Sadly, this did not work out as intended. That's another topic for discussion. ;)
    • 'instant messaging'

      The venerable and solid repository of BeOS applications' BeBits has these entries for instant messaging applications:

      There are more, but I chose to show three examples of chat protocals.
    • 'surf the web'

      Both Mozilla and FireBird have been ported to BeOS for quite some time now. In fact, just 2 days ago there was a new build directly from the cvs server for BeOS of Mozilla. I believe the current direction is towards FireBird, since it's just the browser, but that's a good thing. ;) I won't mention Opera, as the jury is out until Zeta comes out
    • '3D Games'

      You've got that one, I will admit. but it's not so hot either on any OS other than Microsoft's, so it's a poor example for debate.


    I do hear through the grapevine that CounterStrike has been ported for BeOS, but that is pure speculation at this point. ;) I'll also point out that there were two seperate ports of Quake3 TEST made for BeOS. One by Be Inc., the other by id software.

    Also, thinking back to that time period, there was an excellent review article on BeNews.com that illustrated just how great the openGL implementation was heading towards for BeOS. Again, time will reveal more when Zeta comes out, as it supposedly has openGL support for Radeon and NVidia chipsets.

    The main basis for development was already underway by the time that BeOS R5 Pro/PE came out, starting with the excellent groundwork in R4.5 of openGL, and the overhaul of the networking stack and media kit. Given a few more years, at the pace that BeOS was being released at (every 8 months on average), there would have been no doubt in anyone's mind who was active in the community as to how great it could have been.

    That was then. This is now. The future is with OpenBeOS and YellowTab, and the other development OS projects.

    I wanted to address your points, because I felt you were not giving BeOS a fair shake. There were quite a few companies who were making some serious headway, not only in software, but in hardware products such as HARP (Home Audio Reference Platform), BeIA webpads, Audio Recording stations, and more.

    Thanks for raising these important user requirements to light. If you have any points you would like to address to me, please feel free to do so.
  3. Re:Now that's justice... by technix4beos · · Score: 3, Informative · on Microsoft Settles Be Antitrust Suit for $23.25M
    I'll go through your points one by one.

    You're right when you consider how the average user thinks about their computing desires and the choices available to them. As long as we're going down this olive branch, I ask you to allow me to go through your points one by one.

    • 'spreadsheet'

      YellowTab has a screenshot showing they are improving the AbiWord office package here. There is a donation page to help port OpenOffice to BeOS. Last but not least, GoBe at one time announced they would port GP 3.0 to BeOS, providing they had enough sales of the windows side. Sadly, this did not work out as intended. That's another topic for discussion. ;)
    • 'instant messaging'

      The venerable and solid repository of BeOS applications' BeBits has these entries for instant messaging applications:

      There are more, but I chose to show three examples of chat protocals.
    • 'surf the web'

      Both Mozilla and FireBird have been ported to BeOS for quite some time now. In fact, just 2 days ago there was a new build directly from the cvs server for BeOS of Mozilla. I believe the current direction is towards FireBird, since it's just the browser, but that's a good thing. ;) I won't mention Opera, as the jury is out until Zeta comes out
    • '3D Games'

      You've got that one, I will admit. but it's not so hot either on any OS other than Microsoft's, so it's a poor example for debate.


    I do hear through the grapevine that CounterStrike has been ported for BeOS, but that is pure speculation at this point. ;) I'll also point out that there were two seperate ports of Quake3 TEST made for BeOS. One by Be Inc., the other by id software.

    Also, thinking back to that time period, there was an excellent review article on BeNews.com that illustrated just how great the openGL implementation was heading towards for BeOS. Again, time will reveal more when Zeta comes out, as it supposedly has openGL support for Radeon and NVidia chipsets.

    The main basis for development was already underway by the time that BeOS R5 Pro/PE came out, starting with the excellent groundwork in R4.5 of openGL, and the overhaul of the networking stack and media kit. Given a few more years, at the pace that BeOS was being released at (every 8 months on average), there would have been no doubt in anyone's mind who was active in the community as to how great it could have been.

    That was then. This is now. The future is with OpenBeOS and YellowTab, and the other development OS projects.

    I wanted to address your points, because I felt you were not giving BeOS a fair shake. There were quite a few companies who were making some serious headway, not only in software, but in hardware products such as HARP (Home Audio Reference Platform), BeIA webpads, Audio Recording stations, and more.

    Thanks for raising these important user requirements to light. If you have any points you would like to address to me, please feel free to do so.
  4. BeOS Queries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on How Do You Organize Your Data?

    BeOS solved this ages ago.

  5. Re:But PC's are not mono-culture... by MacGod · · Score: 2, Funny · on Apple's School Days are Numbered
    OK, fighting your fire with fire:\

    On a Mac, I have:

    • Mac OS X (who knew?)
    • BSD via Darwin or OpenBSD if you prefer.
    • Linux (Suse, Mandrake, Yellow Dog and probably more that I've missed).
    • BeOS for PowerPC
    • And, of course, good old Virtual PC which, despite being now owned by Microsoft is still a great product, and allows you to run *any* x86-compatible OS on your Mac. And since most of the other OSs you mentioned (OS/2, AtheOS etc) are either old or low-resource, there will be negligible speed hit

    In fact, I would go so far as to say that the Mac is the most-compatible platform out there. Personally, I have six different OSs on my Mac right now (Mac OS X, Mac OS 9.1, 9.2.2, Mandrake Linux, Win98 SE and PC-DOS). And that's not even breaking a sweat.

  6. Re:Coming soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on Microsoft Deploys Linux, Open Software in Test Lab
    Alrighty, double check to make sure I post anonymously.

    Actually having seen Longhorn in action. It looks more like this.

  7. Two Words: by sethadam1 · · Score: 1 · on Build a Multi-Output MP3 Server?

    BeOS.
    TuneTracker.

  8. If you've got machine(s) better than 486 - BeOS! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1 · on Build a Multi-Output MP3 Server?
    You could install BeOS personal edition (coexists with Windows or Linux), or if you're a 'no-Windows' house, MiniMax(full install) Then, install Be in your Stereo w/ RobinHood It's a HTTP server for mp3s and the like.

    If you have an Athlon or pentium 4 - use the new BeOSMax V3 (Direct download). It's got pretty much the newest drivers for BeOS, supporting much more than the personal edition. If you've got a pentium and install Max or MiniMax, use the old Gif Translator (not 1.3, there's an incompatabillity there.)

    I'm guessing that you could run multiple instances of Be In Your Sterio on different ports (8080,8081...) and stream to all your other machines. If you've got bottom of the barrel pentiums, BeOS rocks on those. They should be able to play mp3s fine. 120mhz, 64(ok 32??) Ram, and a 500meg harddrive should do for the clients(don't quote me - it's been awhile since I looked). Check out this page for more links and tips.. I'm sure you could find something else on BeBits that would fit the bill.

    BeOS will let you play about a thousand mp3s at the same time with no skipping, it's got gerbil crack in it or something...

  9. If you've got machine(s) better than 486 - BeOS! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1 · on Build a Multi-Output MP3 Server?
    You could install BeOS personal edition (coexists with Windows or Linux), or if you're a 'no-Windows' house, MiniMax(full install) Then, install Be in your Stereo w/ RobinHood It's a HTTP server for mp3s and the like.

    If you have an Athlon or pentium 4 - use the new BeOSMax V3 (Direct download). It's got pretty much the newest drivers for BeOS, supporting much more than the personal edition. If you've got a pentium and install Max or MiniMax, use the old Gif Translator (not 1.3, there's an incompatabillity there.)

    I'm guessing that you could run multiple instances of Be In Your Sterio on different ports (8080,8081...) and stream to all your other machines. If you've got bottom of the barrel pentiums, BeOS rocks on those. They should be able to play mp3s fine. 120mhz, 64(ok 32??) Ram, and a 500meg harddrive should do for the clients(don't quote me - it's been awhile since I looked). Check out this page for more links and tips.. I'm sure you could find something else on BeBits that would fit the bill.

    BeOS will let you play about a thousand mp3s at the same time with no skipping, it's got gerbil crack in it or something...

  10. If you've got machine(s) better than 486 - BeOS! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1 · on Build a Multi-Output MP3 Server?
    You could install BeOS personal edition (coexists with Windows or Linux), or if you're a 'no-Windows' house, MiniMax(full install) Then, install Be in your Stereo w/ RobinHood It's a HTTP server for mp3s and the like.

    If you have an Athlon or pentium 4 - use the new BeOSMax V3 (Direct download). It's got pretty much the newest drivers for BeOS, supporting much more than the personal edition. If you've got a pentium and install Max or MiniMax, use the old Gif Translator (not 1.3, there's an incompatabillity there.)

    I'm guessing that you could run multiple instances of Be In Your Sterio on different ports (8080,8081...) and stream to all your other machines. If you've got bottom of the barrel pentiums, BeOS rocks on those. They should be able to play mp3s fine. 120mhz, 64(ok 32??) Ram, and a 500meg harddrive should do for the clients(don't quote me - it's been awhile since I looked). Check out this page for more links and tips.. I'm sure you could find something else on BeBits that would fit the bill.

    BeOS will let you play about a thousand mp3s at the same time with no skipping, it's got gerbil crack in it or something...

  11. If you've got machine(s) better than 486 - BeOS! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1 · on Build a Multi-Output MP3 Server?
    You could install BeOS personal edition (coexists with Windows or Linux), or if you're a 'no-Windows' house, MiniMax(full install) Then, install Be in your Stereo w/ RobinHood It's a HTTP server for mp3s and the like.

    If you have an Athlon or pentium 4 - use the new BeOSMax V3 (Direct download). It's got pretty much the newest drivers for BeOS, supporting much more than the personal edition. If you've got a pentium and install Max or MiniMax, use the old Gif Translator (not 1.3, there's an incompatabillity there.)

    I'm guessing that you could run multiple instances of Be In Your Sterio on different ports (8080,8081...) and stream to all your other machines. If you've got bottom of the barrel pentiums, BeOS rocks on those. They should be able to play mp3s fine. 120mhz, 64(ok 32??) Ram, and a 500meg harddrive should do for the clients(don't quote me - it's been awhile since I looked). Check out this page for more links and tips.. I'm sure you could find something else on BeBits that would fit the bill.

    BeOS will let you play about a thousand mp3s at the same time with no skipping, it's got gerbil crack in it or something...

  12. Re:num-lock??? by joe_bruin · · Score: 1 · on First Look at YellowTAB's Zeta

    i remember having a tiny app in my startup script that turned the numlock on at bootup. here is an app that does the same.

    listening to eugenia (the reviewer) is always a mistake. this is the same reviewer that complained that be (back when they were alive) was not planning on supporting machines with more than 8 cpu's and 4 gigs of ram (back when they had silly things like 'video card support' to work on)! she really is a blight on the beos community.

  13. Re:Looks interesting... by Bulln-Bulln · · Score: 3, Informative · on First Look at YellowTAB's Zeta

    The lack of programs is the problem. What he needs is:
    A office-like collection of programs (word, excell, etc)

    Like Gobe Productive?
    I'm not sure, but I think it's part of Zeta.

    Mozilla :)

    http://www.bezilla.org/ or http://www.bebits.com/app/2715. Shipped with Zeta.

    A image-editor like Gimp

    OMG, hopefully not. GIMP's UI sucks. BeOS/Zeta has Refraction (closed source), ArtPaint (open source) and a few others. At least shipped with Zeta Deluxe - not sure about ''plain'' Zeta.

  14. Re:Looks interesting... by Bulln-Bulln · · Score: 3, Informative · on First Look at YellowTAB's Zeta

    The lack of programs is the problem. What he needs is:
    A office-like collection of programs (word, excell, etc)

    Like Gobe Productive?
    I'm not sure, but I think it's part of Zeta.

    Mozilla :)

    http://www.bezilla.org/ or http://www.bebits.com/app/2715. Shipped with Zeta.

    A image-editor like Gimp

    OMG, hopefully not. GIMP's UI sucks. BeOS/Zeta has Refraction (closed source), ArtPaint (open source) and a few others. At least shipped with Zeta Deluxe - not sure about ''plain'' Zeta.

  15. Re:Looks interesting... by Bulln-Bulln · · Score: 3, Informative · on First Look at YellowTAB's Zeta

    The lack of programs is the problem. What he needs is:
    A office-like collection of programs (word, excell, etc)

    Like Gobe Productive?
    I'm not sure, but I think it's part of Zeta.

    Mozilla :)

    http://www.bezilla.org/ or http://www.bebits.com/app/2715. Shipped with Zeta.

    A image-editor like Gimp

    OMG, hopefully not. GIMP's UI sucks. BeOS/Zeta has Refraction (closed source), ArtPaint (open source) and a few others. At least shipped with Zeta Deluxe - not sure about ''plain'' Zeta.

  16. Re:universal? is mono complete? by BenTels0 · · Score: 1 · on Advantages Of .NET Over Java

    (i'm not aware of implementation for my other computer running beos.) I know of two tentative ones: the BeKaffe project (attempting to port Kaffe to to BeOS) at http://bekaffe.sourceforge.net/ and the Guavac project at http://www.bebits.com/app/1195. The first is having development problems (that is, capacity problems with respect to people) and the second is at the 1.1-level, unfortunately. But you can check them out, I suppose. Of course, I wouldn't expect too much in future any more. BeOS seems to have gone the way of the dodo, so...

  17. Re:BS by p3d0 · · Score: 1 · on Object Prevalence: Get Rid of Your Database?
    I really don't recall seeing a whole lot of the linux or freebsd kernels written in object oriented languages.
    Well, that proves it then. I guess there aren't any OO operating systems.

    Well, except BeOS. And Hurricane, and Tornado, and K42.

  18. Re:No! by bradams · · Score: 1 · on Should The Next Windows Be Built On Linux?

    That is why BeOS was made.

  19. Semi-off-topic: best Bayesian filter for Outlook? by Jeremi · · Score: 2 · on Spam Conference in Boston
    I'm using AGMSBayesianSpam under BeOS to filter out spams from my email and it does a really nice job -- but my poor benighted Windows/Outlook using friends want to use a nice Bayesian Spam filter too, and I don't know what to recommend to them.


    Can anyone recommend a Bayesian Spam filter that (a) works with Outlook and Outlook Express, (b) is dead simple to install and use, and (c) works really well? I'd love to be able to point them at a URL.

  20. Goodbye OS/2. by TPS+Report · · Score: 1 · on OS/2 Going, Going... Gone

    I thought a lot of ATM's used OS/2. I wonder what OS they'll eventually migrate those to -- QNX perhaps?

    It's sad to see OS/2 die - I had hopes that BeOS was going to be "everything OS/2 could have been, but wasn't." Too bad it died too :( It's interesting to just sit back and wonder what the computing world would be like now (and what type of operating system we'd be running today) if IBM would have actually marketed OS/2 effectively.

  21. Nothing a month; yeah I think I can swing that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on How Much Do You Pay to Host Your Website?

    I get free hosting on this server for a website that my roommate runs. I rule, I think.

  22. Re:RADEON by questionlp · · Score: 5, Informative · on The Be Lives!
    According to http://www.bebits.com/app/3148, in the first half of the "Graphics" section:
    Graphics Driver for ATI Radeon (updated in Max Edition V2.1)
  23. Re:I would run it by LoudMusic · · Score: 2 · on History and Perspective on BeOS

    I was using CLAamp (and still do when I run BeOS). It's just like Winamp.

    And there are clients for all the major IM protocals.

    BeBits

    The mail client was pretty awesome, but I'm sure you can get more at BeBits as well. And I have to agree with someone eles post - if gaming is a priority for you, you're not allowed to be picky about your OS. Get a console system.

    Oh, and there is a Photoshop for Solaris. I'm sure with a little work someone could get it to run in BeOS. But there are plenty of other editors our there. You could run GiMP for BeOS.

    Once again, the OS never really reached maturity. If it had, more people would have been writing software for it. When they chose not to work on a G3/G4 version, they lost the Mac crowd, and that was their biggest market. Adobe would surely not pick them up after that.

    ~LoudMusic

  24. Down but not out... by phatvibez · · Score: 5, Informative · on History and Perspective on BeOS
    There are several attempts to resurect the Be Operating System, check out:

    OpenBeos

    OpenBeos is creating a new BeOS from scratch that will be binary compatible with the original BeOS (at first anyway and plan on adding new features that will probably break this later). So far they are coming along at a good pace. They have already created beta's for OpenBFS, Open Media Kits, and their Print Server.

    They are using the NewOS Kernel


    Blue Eyed OS (B.E.O.S)

    Blue Eyed OS is an atempt to bring the Be API and interface to the Linux kernel.


    YellowTab

    YellowTab has some screenshots here: YellowTab Screenshots

    and BeBits gets updated regulary with new applications for the BeOS.

    the BeOS is down, but not out...the Be community is still very strong!

  25. BeBits by joyoflinux · · Score: 5, Interesting · on History and Perspective on BeOS

    I guess BeBits is still there and offering software...

  26. Re:This is comical... by BlowCat · · Score: 2 · on Is UnitedLinux Violating The GPL?
    Modified binary-only GNU Midnight Commander for BeOS

    The unmodified source doesn't compile because it heavily uses select(). The modifications have never been made public. All attempts to reach the author of the port have been unsuccessful so far. The binary-only version has been downloaded 5007 times.

    Now please put it on a P2P network and die (laughing or otherwise).

  27. Re:Wifi Zealot by vonsneerderhooten · · Score: 1 · on 802.11b Urban Network - 3 sq km!

    I use BeOS, so u can suck it!!!
    -D

  28. Re:Ozone! by technix4beos · · Score: 3, Interesting · on Closed Gnutella System to Prevent Bandwidth Hogs

    I use it daily from work.

    Totally indespensible when you have a tough coding problem, and need instant
    coding help.

    I rely on many friends from the BeOS Community to help me out, and I in turn
    do the same for others.

    It's what makes us a very friendly bunch, to be sure.

    I only wish there were more features in Ozone, but it's open source now...
    perhaps someone from the linux community will help us poor souls out?

    (hint hint... nudge nudge... there's free chocolate in it for anyone up to
    the task... honest! ;)

    Seriously though... the entire muscle/beshare system is TONS better than
    anything I've ever used elsewhere when it comes to just working, and
    connecting with a real community, instead of faceless creatues sucking your
    bandwidth to get the latest Britney. (ugh)

    Ozone. It's cool.
    Muscle. It's even cooler.

    You can find more information on Muscle here:
    http://www.bebits.com/app/962


    Definately worth a read.

    -Chris Simmons,
    Avid BeOS User.
    The BeOSJournal
    http://www.beosjournal.org

  29. Re:Can you still get BeOS Professional? by drewness · · Score: 1 · on OpenBeOs Developers Talk About Progress

    You can still get the Download Edition from BeBits and a German site called BeOSOnline has a "developer's edition" with updated drivers and stuff.

  30. Re:Is there a market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on OpenBeOs Developers Talk About Progress

    Honestly, I've never gotten a chance to use BeOS

    Then try here

  31. Re:who cares by Toraz+Chryx · · Score: 2 · on Windows 'Longhorn' Kicks Off (On Paper)

    BeBits they should have BeOS 5 personal edition mirrored somewhere (I think)

  32. Re:No! No! OpenBeos! OpenBeos! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on AtheOS Fork Brings BeOS on Top of Linux


    why the hell is everybody so intent on making some sort of BE/Linux hybrid?

    Not to "save" the BeOS legacy/religion/apps obiously, but to save the linux kernel with all its drivers/features/fans/developers/sponsors/bouty from becoming a platform used for running nothing but posix webservers on headless pc hardware while it can be better (in design) then OSX for (even old) pc hardware.

    This BefrankensteinAtOS is just a step toward what is my dreamworld:

    - a cheap Nforce like mainbord with onboard graphics(nvidia, nuff said),audio(dolby 5.1 encoder),network(100mbit is 100mbit) and firewire (usb is now a "legacy connector" ;-))

    - A dvb-c card

    - two or four Clawhammer cpu`s

    - Cooling that makes sense, not noise

    - a linux-based kernel that loads directly from eeprom instead of an ugly old bios that doesn`t even understand todays harddrives. but still load ms-dos 3.00

    - no more X, just every bit of experiance nvidia has with performace drivers

    - A really fast gui, just try going back from Be`s Beos to windows

    - a simple gui and cli shell that doesn`t eat more reasorces then it offers functinality but has a noice look and feel

    - configurable translators

    A filesystem that is fast, doen`t need complex journaling couse the oswrites metadata in a recoverable order and the hardware is fast enough to offer reasonable fast recovery anyway and has optional metadata (like the BeFS mime filetype)

    I think this is really close to what others on slashdot want, note the lack of "evil" technology (except for perhaps nvidia).
    After reading it back I found it also lacks girls and a social life but then again you can`t have it all ;-)
    I guess for now I will have to do with the dano leak....

  33. Err, wha? by tlhf · · Score: 1 · on Mono's MCS Compiles Itself On Linux

    Yeah, not like there are any other examples of open source software based on proprietry software.

    tlhf

    xxx

    Also, your linked article talks about a compiler which compiles itself. IE, GCC recognising GCC. Having GCC regocnise BCC, VC++, et al would be insanly difficult. Even more so in this case as Mono is being released after the Microsoft compiler.

  34. Re:Add it up and shop around... by The+Great+Wakka · · Score: 1 · on Using the Playstation2 as an Editing Medium?

    Sounds good, but if you don't like the OS...

    Install:
    OS X(BSD variant)
    BeOS (nearly extinct, but runs on PPC with EXCELLENT video editing, check out BeBits, the source for all things BeOS.)
    MandrakePPC (I'm sure this is a good option. There are other distros for the PPC too! Look around.)

  35. Re:what's Be? by OberonX · · Score: 4, Informative · on Be Liquidation Sale

    "also was available in a cut-down form for free on the web, but they've now removed that"

    You can still get it at mirrors and it was recently uploaded to bebits(BeOS's freshmeat). You can get both the windows and linux version here.
    You check as well how to install the personal edition in a proper partition or make the original virtual partition bigger

  36. Re:what's Be? by OberonX · · Score: 4, Informative · on Be Liquidation Sale

    "also was available in a cut-down form for free on the web, but they've now removed that"

    You can still get it at mirrors and it was recently uploaded to bebits(BeOS's freshmeat). You can get both the windows and linux version here.
    You check as well how to install the personal edition in a proper partition or make the original virtual partition bigger

  37. BeOS isnt dead yet by moooooooo · · Score: 1 · on It's The End Of The Be As We Know It
    BeOS isn't dead yet. The community is one of the friendliest i've ever been associated with and apps and drivers are constantly being released on BeBits

    BeBits


    BeUnitedis heading up the initiative to license BeOS from Palm and if that doesn't succeed then OpenBeOS will be the primary focus of the BeOS developer community.


    Once you've tried BeOS it's very difficult to go back to another OS. Yes i use Linux on one of my servers and am very happy with it, but i have two other PCs running BeOS and an old PowerPC running MacOS (slow slow slow).


    BeOS is my OS of choice. I can connect to Sybase or MS SQL Server databases, PostgreSQL databases, run Apache etc etc etc.


    Checkout BeOS, BeBits and BeGroovy. And checkout exactly what BeOS can do for you.

    cheers

    peter

  38. Re:All it needed was an office suite... by moooooooo · · Score: 1 · on It's The End Of The Be As We Know It
    there is. GoBe Productive. It has Word and Excel import and export capabilities and they have just released a Windows version as well.

    I purchased it for BeOS and use it all the time. It is fantastic.
    www.gobe.com

    Also, we have AbiWord which works fine:
    AbiWord

  39. BeUnited.org and lots of other great sites... by bc90021 · · Score: 2, Informative · on It's The End Of The Be As We Know It

    For those who are interested in the possibility of the BeOS being continued, check out BeUnited.org. Originally "a place to find and support teams for the development of high quality BeOS software", they are now "leading an initiative concerned with the licensing of the BeOS from Palm, Inc. and its subsequent upgrading, development and professional marketing on a global scale".

    If they can be successful in licensing the OS from Palm, then the BeOS can continue. They currently have 136 new products or projects in their developer survey. Head over to the site to see how you can help!

    Also, for those that don't know, there are several other really good sites dedicated to the BeOS:

    The "sourceForge" of the BeOS: BeBits.com.

    News and a discussion forum: BeGroovy.com.

    Another news site: BeNews.com.

    And, of course, the site that sells BeOS 5 Pro, and the Office Suite (available for Windows, too!) that goes along with it: Gobe.com.

  40. OpenBeOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative · on MacOSX Vs BeOS ShootOut

    New BeOS software appears consistently at http://www.bebits.com/

    Also, a quite large group of people are working in OpenBeOS http://open-beos.sourceforge.net/ and after it matches functionality of BeOS5, it will be further extended. Development is early, but you can't help but take notice at the healthy amount of activity (I keep my eye on the project).

  41. Re:Not Dead Yet! by moooooooo · · Score: 1 · on Can BeOs Live On As Open Source?
    dunno about the minimal software base... BeBits still gets heaps of new and updated apps released and initiatives like OpenBeOS and BeUnited will ensure that this OS will not die.

    And R6 is due out soon as well.

  42. Re:puts Apple in a bind? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on PPC G5 On The Way -- And Fast
    3. "it had an excellent API that would have actually seen full support by developers"... just like BeOS saw 'full' support from developers? How many major BeOS apps are there? BeOS Photoshop? BeOS Office? BeOS Quicken? I havent heard of any of these.


    Hmm... Is there OS X Photoshop available? No. Is there OS X Office available? No. OS X Quicken? No. The fact is that if BeOS had been chosen instead of NeXT, these three would already be on the market because BeOS had a solid, developer friendly C++ API from the beginning. There are very few native OS X apps currently available, although there are a lot on the horizon. If OS X were based on BeOS, all the same companies would have introduced OS X apps simply because they support the Mac platform - except they would have been available sooner because of the early availability of BeOS C++ APIs.

    And go look at the amount of software available right now at www.bebits.com before you say there isn't any software available for BeOS.
  43. Re:GUI cvs Command by be-fan · · Score: 1, Flamebait · on Are GUI Dev Tools More Advanced than CLI Counterparts?

    So this stuff doesn't actually exist?

    Neither does AppleScript?

    And BeOS can't really be scripted.

    Also, Framemaker scripting is just a figment of my imagination.

    As for piping information, you've obviously never used Cortex.

    Your comments are totally devoid of any basis in reality. Its just like saying "CLI apps are automatically hard!"

  44. Re:BeOS? by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 1 · on Why We Can't Just Get Along: The Bootloader

    If you have a recent nVidia card, more than likely it's not supported out of the box. However, nVidia and Be have released a driver package that supports many of their chips and all of their recent ones. It and many other driver packages are listed at BeBits.

  45. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on Palm To Purchase Be's IP

    If by "integrate" you mean, allow synchronization, it already exists. Also PSION pdas can be synchronized. Find out more at http://www.bebits.com/

  46. BeOS... by petee+moobaa · · Score: 2 · on Building an MP3/DVD Box for the Home Audio System?
    Yup, I'd go the BeOS route. Fast boot times, nice query related filesystem, and there's been a ton of work done on similar systems (try Scot Hacker's mp3box or go straight to Be In Your Stereo for web based interfaces.

    Use CL-Amp for the tunes, go and grab an IRMan and BeInControl for the remote control, and you're set. CL-Amp also has a bunch of plug-ins that support LCD displays, monitors, etc... check BeBits

    The only downsides are that BeOS can be a little fussy about hardware (/me = Asus P2B-S, SB-Live Value), and that Samba support is, erm... well, it's there, but it didn't work for me; but BeOS can happily mount your CIFS shares (or ftp in/out, or telnet in/out, ...)

    FWIW, I just used a standard Abit desktop case (hidden, quiet fan), with only the IRMan exposed...

  47. BeOS is the best way to manage MP3s by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1 · on Automatically Managing Large MP3 Collections?

    One word: BeOS


    I use BeOS to manage my growing collection of MP3s. With BeOS, you do not need to run a separate database to keep track of your files. Be's file system (BFS) actually works like a live database. You can add all sorts of indexable attributes to any type of file. Searching for files in BeOS looks just like a database query. Wrt MP3's, all the info you find in ID3 tags can be stored as file attributes. When you search for songs based on any combination of attributes, you get the results almost instantaneously. The best part is that in most cases, no manual entry is required for anything, including manipulation of filenames and ID3 data!


    There are a number of ways to manage MP3 meta data. If you want to take advantage of CDDB or FreeDB in the ripping process, then Scot Hacker's RipEnc is the way to go. Pop in a CD, it will get recognized from a CDDB/FreeDB lookup. Then, just tell RipEnc the genre and year of the album. RipEnc will rip the CD for you and add the CDDB, year and genre info to each song's ID3 tags and filesystem attributes. Of course, you'll have complete control over bitrate, frequency, name format, the whole shebang. For convenience, songs get stored under a directory heirarchy like this: ~/mp3/artist/album


    If you have a bunch of MP3s already on your HD and you want to change around the ID3 info and/or standardize on filename structure, then ArmyKnife will do it all for you. Here is a description of ArmyKnife, shamelessly plagarized from www.bebits.com:


    "The Army Knife for MP3's and OggVorbis The Army Knife is a BeOS application that allows users to perform ID3 Tag to Attribute assignment, Attribute to ID3 Tag assignment, parsing of file names to fill attributes, and renaming files based on their attributes. It also includes an attribute and tag editor that allows the user to work with mulitple files at once."

    When you're ready to serve out your MP3's under BeOS, you'll have at least two methods available. The RobinHood web server has a plugin to let you stream songs over your network. However, the easiest (and possibly most flexible) way of serving out MP3's is to use Stephen van Egmond's Be In Your Stereo. Again, I shall shamelessly plagarize the description from BeBits:


    "Be in your Stereo is a plugin to SoundPlay that scans your BFS volumes for digital music files. It builds a cross-referenced index of your collection based on Artist, Genre, Year, and Album BFS attributes, then serves up views of your track list and collection via HTTP. It is ideal for building a home audio server. In addition to your current play list and cross-referenced views of your entire music collection. It will accept commands to add chunks of your collection to the playlist, and manipulate playback in useful detail - volume, track, track position, etc. With the plugin, you can park a BeOS machine with a modest CPU, quiet fan, networking, audio and storage hardware next to your stereo, and manipulate it from anywhere on your home network. The plugin also has facilities for streaming and downloading files directly to the client, so it can even serve as a crude file server for wider networking setups."

    Finally, Scot Hacker has lots of great information on using BeOS for a headless networked MP3 jukebox. You can read more about it here. Btw, please check out the screenshots of the above programs at the links I provided; they'll do more justice than I can with my descriptions!


  48. BeOS is the best way to manage MP3s by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1 · on Automatically Managing Large MP3 Collections?

    One word: BeOS


    I use BeOS to manage my growing collection of MP3s. With BeOS, you do not need to run a separate database to keep track of your files. Be's file system (BFS) actually works like a live database. You can add all sorts of indexable attributes to any type of file. Searching for files in BeOS looks just like a database query. Wrt MP3's, all the info you find in ID3 tags can be stored as file attributes. When you search for songs based on any combination of attributes, you get the results almost instantaneously. The best part is that in most cases, no manual entry is required for anything, including manipulation of filenames and ID3 data!


    There are a number of ways to manage MP3 meta data. If you want to take advantage of CDDB or FreeDB in the ripping process, then Scot Hacker's RipEnc is the way to go. Pop in a CD, it will get recognized from a CDDB/FreeDB lookup. Then, just tell RipEnc the genre and year of the album. RipEnc will rip the CD for you and add the CDDB, year and genre info to each song's ID3 tags and filesystem attributes. Of course, you'll have complete control over bitrate, frequency, name format, the whole shebang. For convenience, songs get stored under a directory heirarchy like this: ~/mp3/artist/album


    If you have a bunch of MP3s already on your HD and you want to change around the ID3 info and/or standardize on filename structure, then ArmyKnife will do it all for you. Here is a description of ArmyKnife, shamelessly plagarized from www.bebits.com:


    "The Army Knife for MP3's and OggVorbis The Army Knife is a BeOS application that allows users to perform ID3 Tag to Attribute assignment, Attribute to ID3 Tag assignment, parsing of file names to fill attributes, and renaming files based on their attributes. It also includes an attribute and tag editor that allows the user to work with mulitple files at once."

    When you're ready to serve out your MP3's under BeOS, you'll have at least two methods available. The RobinHood web server has a plugin to let you stream songs over your network. However, the easiest (and possibly most flexible) way of serving out MP3's is to use Stephen van Egmond's Be In Your Stereo. Again, I shall shamelessly plagarize the description from BeBits:


    "Be in your Stereo is a plugin to SoundPlay that scans your BFS volumes for digital music files. It builds a cross-referenced index of your collection based on Artist, Genre, Year, and Album BFS attributes, then serves up views of your track list and collection via HTTP. It is ideal for building a home audio server. In addition to your current play list and cross-referenced views of your entire music collection. It will accept commands to add chunks of your collection to the playlist, and manipulate playback in useful detail - volume, track, track position, etc. With the plugin, you can park a BeOS machine with a modest CPU, quiet fan, networking, audio and storage hardware next to your stereo, and manipulate it from anywhere on your home network. The plugin also has facilities for streaming and downloading files directly to the client, so it can even serve as a crude file server for wider networking setups."

    Finally, Scot Hacker has lots of great information on using BeOS for a headless networked MP3 jukebox. You can read more about it here. Btw, please check out the screenshots of the above programs at the links I provided; they'll do more justice than I can with my descriptions!


  49. HardEncrypt by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1 · on New flaws in 802.11B

    Unbreakable encryption is possible: the key must be the same size as the data. See http://www.bebits.com/app/1100... Source included.

  50. Framework for BeOS, Linux, Mac OS and Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1 · on Be, Inc. Says Cash Can't Last Past Q2
    Do you have a BeOS product that you still want to support while giving yourself a migration path to other platforms? Do you have a Linux application but want to contribute to the survival of the BeOS - or bring it to Mac OS or Windows?

    The ZooLib cross-platform application framework allows you to create multithreaded C++ applications with (or without) GUI, networking, and a single-file database format from a single sourcebase and deliver native executables for BeOS, Mac OS, Windows, and Linux.

    It is open source under the MIT License.

    ZooLib still needs some work before it reaches the 1.0 release but it has been in use in some commercial products for Mac OS and Windows for years.

    You can download the source, the demo application source (which you will need to build the main source), and binaries of the sample applications built for BeOS, Mac OS, Windows and Linux from:

    It presently does not build on:

    • Visual C++ for Windows
    • BeOS PowerPC
    • BSD
    • Other POSIX variants are unknown
    all of these are being addressed and some of them should be fixed in the next release.

    If you don't want to wait to write a Windows application, you can use Metrowerks CodeWarrior Pro for Windows or the Windows cross-compiler in CodeWarrior Pro for Mac OS - CodeWarrior has much better compliance to the C++ ISO standard than Visual C++ anyway so you really should be using it if you want to write portable code.