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In theory, only one end needs to authenticate the other.

In practice, the website depends on the client to do a good job of this. So if you're running MS Windows, the Tunisan government can put a trusted root certificate in your computer with the endorsement of Microsoft. So even running https everywhere will not save Facebook from Microsoft.

Try it yourself. If you have access to a Windows machine, visit http://bit.ly/eWYRbA in IE then check your personal cert store for Agence Nationale de Certification Electronique.

If you think this is a big deal, retweet it or spread the word in other ways. I'm at a loss to explain why people aren't realizing the magnitude of this.

Of course, what's even better is that it's a CODE SIGNING cert. ;-) Now that's what I call pwned!

Do I take it out or leave it in?

Do I take it out or leave it in?

Do I take it out or leave it in?

http://bit.ly/ffcTRP

There is clearly a need for an encryption scheme where the cyphertext is always human-readable.

"I luv u, too man!" -> "The Government is out to get us!"
"lol meet us at the bar, then" -> "visit http://bit.ly/madhakz for the app to read this msg"
"dude where are you were thru the 1st pitcher" -> "encryption=freedom"
"omg barry just stepd on a rusty nail outside O'Brawly's" [picture of toe attatched] -> [no text, message & toe pic steganographically concealed in image of bald eagle weeping under the foot of a cop who is rifling through the eagle's belongings]
"hay man opeth gig was wicked tell u bout it l8tr" -> "Burma Shave"

Jason Wright, the OpenBSD developer funded by NETSEC to work on IPsec (and allegedly put in backdoors for the FBI) went to work at the DHS cyber security lab that the NYT is saying helped do Stuxnet http://nyti.ms/grd51X http://bit.ly/feB9ZV

SecTor 2008 gives his speaker bio http://www.sector.ca/speakers2008.htm

Jason Wright is a cyber security researcher at the Idaho National Laboratory working with SCADA and Process Control system vendors to secure critical infrastructure assets. He is also a semi-retired OpenBSD developer (also known as a "slacker") responsible for many device drivers and layer 2 pieces of kernel code.

I am not making this up.

I'll have to put it in a blog post this evening. See homepage link.

One of my favorite rants on C++: http://bit.ly/bchSYy

The Windows Media Codec pack is irrelevant on its own, but (intentionally or not) points out that content to some may be noise to others. In particular, content, like Genuine Prairie Narwhal can generate human and bot attention and activity for otherwise banal or valueless terms in various databases.

It's conceptually similar to the game.

So what? It demonstrates a point relevant to the discussion.

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Discount Helicobacter pylori

You mean something like this?

Yeah, can see how that can be pretty bad. Might I suggest browsing in privacy mode, or using CCleaner?

Some url shorteners do provide traffic measuring too, so one can see troll stats realtime. Comfy

Cable flow or not, the point has been communicated to the people.

Of the near 7 billion people on this planet, its some fraction of 1% screwing things up for the rest of us.

See: http://bit.ly/dRgM7b

However, what Wikileaks is sitting on and the next major thing to happen being the release of the pass code to the insurance file exposing this is...

(Yes it insane, but its what insane people do)
We have enough in knowledge, technology, man power and natural resources to support a human population size far greater than what we now have.

The ONLY reason for mass reduction of the human population is the continuation of ELITISM!

It is population growth that leads to major changes in society.
It was population growth that lead to the breakdown of the bicameral mind (Julian Jaynes and the metaphor of the tower of babel) and it was population growth that overcame the limitations of non-zero mathematic as people simply started using the Hindu-Arabic decimal system, zero inclusive, regardless of the Roman sponsored Roman Numeral system.

It is population growth that drives us to advancement.
It is population growth that overcomes false constraints.
It is population growth that is overcoming Elitism.

There are near 7 billion people on this planet and some fraction of one percent that is of the controlling elite that don't need to exist.
This fact is becoming known to the population (via wikileaks and the likes) and as such is a threat to the Elite.

They will mass kill to continue their position.

Those of Elitism suffer from mental disease that lacks morals and ethics and intelligence but instead pursue the skill of deception and force through the manipulation of others.

The basic tool of the deceivers is their skill at abstraction manipulation. Words....

Prior to the breakdown of the bicameral mind, man was without sin, or better stated "guilt" as man was unable to think in terms of higher level abstraction and was incapable of introspection.

But then population growth created a need to create consciousness and higher level abstractions, Languages beyond first level abstraction. The side effect of doing this was the discovery of introspection and deception.

The bicameral mind had its advantages of being far better in touch with nature. Like how birds can seasonally fly back and forth to the same locations, how crabs know to move inland prior to a flooding storm, etc...

During that transition there was the use of "oracles" as the go between. Even today we still have some of these, such as Edgar Cayce and many other unknown "readers".

We are again at the threshold of a transition, where those who want to maintain their elite positions of "control" are becoming outdated and ineffective, exposed to the population. Their only defense is to reduce the population. If they succeed, they will eventually have to do it again, and again..... until they are stopped and their power of deception stripped from them.

How do you strip the power of deception from those who use it? Its really quite simple. You learn to fully understand the usefulness and LIMITATIONS of Abstractions. Then you are able to judge whether or not the abstractions used actually get you from where you are (point A) to where you want to go in a manner that at the very least causes no harm to others, at the very best improves life for all... (point B). If it does not then the abstractions are verified deceptive.

Bait and switch? This shows a lack of integrity. Honesty does not have a lack of integrity.

We have plenty "Elite" who have shown such a lack of integrity. They need to be stripped of their ability to command anyone. Laws or bills they have passed to be nulified and re-evaluated for honest intent.

Genuinely, the only defense the Elite (the deceptive) have is massive population reduction.

Sometimes its not what you see, but what you don't see. Which files have torrent links in the http://wikileaks.ch/file/wikileaks_archive.7z but are unavailable?

What is happening here is the application of war tactics applied by the US defense department, only Wikileaks has no WMD's only words. Perhaps the defense department can justify its military spending by using its stock of WMD's???

There is a genuine and serious need for psychiatric evaluation, constraints and care of what is apparently many in government, specifically the defense department and defense contractors like Halliburton.

Consider the following and how so far out of line it really is, to the point of insanity. Who are we ever going to go to war with that would justify this level of military spending? Add to the US spending that of allies that the US would not go to war against. And then consider what the last link presents.

Clearly, absolutely, without doubt, there is solid evidence of insanity of some in very dangerous positions. They need to be identified, removed from their positions and treated for their mental disorders.

What's wrong with this picture?
http://bit.ly/ey8svA
http://bit.ly/hHIwSs
http://bit.ly/9BDHA7
http://bit.ly/hsrMaE
vs.
http://bit.ly/8iTYUu (even if adjusted for inflation [x2]) Maybe the way to deflate so called terrorism is, instead of acts of destruction. correct real problems.

What is happening here is the application of war tactics applied by the US defense department, only Wikileaks has no WMD's only words. Perhaps the defense department can justify its military spending by using its stock of WMD's???

There is a genuine and serious need for psychiatric evaluation, constraints and care of what is apparently many in government, specifically the defense department and defense contractors like Halliburton.

Consider the following and how so far out of line it really is, to the point of insanity. Who are we ever going to go to war with that would justify this level of military spending? Add to the US spending that of allies that the US would not go to war against. And then consider what the last link presents.

Clearly, absolutely, without doubt, there is solid evidence of insanity of some in very dangerous positions. They need to be identified, removed from their positions and treated for their mental disorders.

What's wrong with this picture?
http://bit.ly/ey8svA
http://bit.ly/hHIwSs
http://bit.ly/9BDHA7
http://bit.ly/hsrMaE
vs.
http://bit.ly/8iTYUu (even if adjusted for inflation [x2]) Maybe the way to deflate so called terrorism is, instead of acts of destruction. correct real problems.

What is happening here is the application of war tactics applied by the US defense department, only Wikileaks has no WMD's only words. Perhaps the defense department can justify its military spending by using its stock of WMD's???

There is a genuine and serious need for psychiatric evaluation, constraints and care of what is apparently many in government, specifically the defense department and defense contractors like Halliburton.

Consider the following and how so far out of line it really is, to the point of insanity. Who are we ever going to go to war with that would justify this level of military spending? Add to the US spending that of allies that the US would not go to war against. And then consider what the last link presents.

Clearly, absolutely, without doubt, there is solid evidence of insanity of some in very dangerous positions. They need to be identified, removed from their positions and treated for their mental disorders.

What's wrong with this picture?
http://bit.ly/ey8svA
http://bit.ly/hHIwSs
http://bit.ly/9BDHA7
http://bit.ly/hsrMaE
vs.
http://bit.ly/8iTYUu (even if adjusted for inflation [x2]) Maybe the way to deflate so called terrorism is, instead of acts of destruction. correct real problems.

What is happening here is the application of war tactics applied by the US defense department, only Wikileaks has no WMD's only words. Perhaps the defense department can justify its military spending by using its stock of WMD's???

There is a genuine and serious need for psychiatric evaluation, constraints and care of what is apparently many in government, specifically the defense department and defense contractors like Halliburton.

Consider the following and how so far out of line it really is, to the point of insanity. Who are we ever going to go to war with that would justify this level of military spending? Add to the US spending that of allies that the US would not go to war against. And then consider what the last link presents.

Clearly, absolutely, without doubt, there is solid evidence of insanity of some in very dangerous positions. They need to be identified, removed from their positions and treated for their mental disorders.

What's wrong with this picture?
http://bit.ly/ey8svA
http://bit.ly/hHIwSs
http://bit.ly/9BDHA7
http://bit.ly/hsrMaE
vs.
http://bit.ly/8iTYUu (even if adjusted for inflation [x2]) Maybe the way to deflate so called terrorism is, instead of acts of destruction. correct real problems.

What is happening here is the application of war tactics applied by the US defense department, only Wikileaks has no WMD's only words. Perhaps the defense department can justify its military spending by using its stock of WMD's???

There is a genuine and serious need for psychiatric evaluation, constraints and care of what is apparently many in government, specifically the defense department and defense contractors like Halliburton.

Consider the following and how so far out of line it really is, to the point of insanity. Who are we ever going to go to war with that would justify this level of military spending? Add to the US spending that of allies that the US would not go to war against. And then consider what the last link presents.

Clearly, absolutely, without doubt, there is solid evidence of insanity of some in very dangerous positions. They need to be identified, removed from their positions and treated for their mental disorders.

What's wrong with this picture?
http://bit.ly/ey8svA
http://bit.ly/hHIwSs
http://bit.ly/9BDHA7
http://bit.ly/hsrMaE
vs.
http://bit.ly/8iTYUu (even if adjusted for inflation [x2]) Maybe the way to deflate so called terrorism is, instead of acts of destruction. correct real problems.

http://bit.ly/hxZ9GI Thought it would be interesting to use NFC in an electromechanical smart door lock.

Here, just click this link to updates your banking passwords and you will be fine: https://sitekey.bankofamerica.com/sas/signonScreen.do?state=FL

Here is a better link with the whole list.

Use a link tracking service. I believe http://bit.ly/ does this.

$ HEAD -S http://ow.ly/3uZL4
HEAD http://ow.ly/3uZL4 --> 301 Moved Permanently
HEAD http://bit.ly/i0Y7zz --> 301 Moved
HEAD http://ow.ly/3uZJ3 --> 301 Moved Permanently
HEAD http://goatse.fr/ --> 200 OK

nice.

financial times person of the year is Steve jobs, he is worth it. 2010 was an important year in apple history. http://bit.ly/eRycfp

FUD is already getting spread around about OpenBSD, see the following article from Linux Journal, "Allegations of OpenBSD back doors may be true" This came as a comment from within the article. The journalist rambles on about far reaching impacts and doomsday scenario for the project. Okay, reality check. If backdoors are found, (a) Theo and company immediately release patches closing the back doors and (b) the FBI would get another black eye for being caught in a major public lie. Far reaching, my ass. In the end, the only changes made will be to close off core commit privileges to all US-based, OpenBSD contributers. Only certain trusted individuals will have core commit privileges. Say what you want about Theo, the man sticks to his principles like cement. Even if back doors are found, I'll still continue to trust OpenBSD as the most secure OS in the world. Why? For every security hole in OpenBSD found, I'll bet that there are several hundred in other operating systems. A 1/~250 ratio is not bad at all!

curl http://bit.ly/eaHU1C

I see what you did there. Interestingly, the author mentions that bigger url shorteners such as bit.ly offer more trust than your mom-and-pop url shortener. Kinda disproves his point entirely. Also, e.g. on Twitter, if you mouse over a shortened URL it displays the target as a tooltip. (But which Twitter user is patient enough to wait?)

Not quite. Knowing what the site does, I probably wouldn't click that URL. Try something like http://bit.ly/eaHU1C instead.

http://bit.ly/fU1LY6 (links to a PDF)

It went out on the 16th.

That data is from two months back, before Google Places appeared in web search. Now, it's worse. There's a whole mini-industry in the "black hat" search engine "optimization" community creating phony Google Places entries. Here's an ad on Mechanical Turk today:

Reno Gym - Google Maps Promotion (Client QMDHKOB)
Requester: Smartsheet.com Clients
HIT Expiration Date: Dec 18, 2010 (10 hours 52 minutes) Time Allotted: 60 minutes
Reward: $0.25 HITs Available: 2
Description:

• Follow Instructions on PDF attached for BUSINESS ADDRESS (1)
• Repeat Instructions on page 5 to 14 for BUSINESS ADDRESS (2) and (3) below.
  GMAIL ADDRESS: [Create a new Gmail Account] PASSWORD:
  BUSINESS ADDRESSES:
  • (1) 6370 Mae Anne Avenue, Reno, NV 89523
  • (2) 4784 Caughlin Parkway, Reno, NV 89519
  • (3) 18603 Wedge Parkway, Reno, NV 89511

  BUSINESS TITLE AND FULL ADDRESSES:

  • (1) Anytime Fitness 6370 Mae Anne Avenue, Reno, NV 89523 (775) 746-8400
  • (2) Anytime Fitness 4784 Caughlin Parkway, Reno, NV 89519 (775) 622-8034
  • (3) Anytime Fitness 18603 Wedge Parkway, Reno, NV 89511 (775) 852-7007

  WEBSITE URL: http://renogyms.org/
  GOOGLE PLACES URLs:

  • (1) http://bit.ly/cERse6
  • (2) http://bit.ly/9u33HG
  • (3) http://bit.ly/aKM8CI

Keywords: Smartsheet, Reno, Gym, Google, Maps, Promotion, QMDHKOB

Google Places spamming hasn't been fully automated yet, so we get to watch spammers outsource their manual spamming. Spamming Google Places is incredibly easy, much easier than creating the link farms required to spam Google's old web search. See the instructions in "Dominating Google Maps- The Most Effective Spam Ever And What You Can Learn From It".

Google Places has been 0wned.

That data is from two months back, before Google Places appeared in web search. Now, it's worse. There's a whole mini-industry in the "black hat" search engine "optimization" community creating phony Google Places entries. Here's an ad on Mechanical Turk today:

Reno Gym - Google Maps Promotion (Client QMDHKOB)
Requester: Smartsheet.com Clients
HIT Expiration Date: Dec 18, 2010 (10 hours 52 minutes) Time Allotted: 60 minutes
Reward: $0.25 HITs Available: 2
Description:

• Follow Instructions on PDF attached for BUSINESS ADDRESS (1)
• Repeat Instructions on page 5 to 14 for BUSINESS ADDRESS (2) and (3) below.
  GMAIL ADDRESS: [Create a new Gmail Account] PASSWORD:
  BUSINESS ADDRESSES:
  • (1) 6370 Mae Anne Avenue, Reno, NV 89523
  • (2) 4784 Caughlin Parkway, Reno, NV 89519
  • (3) 18603 Wedge Parkway, Reno, NV 89511

  BUSINESS TITLE AND FULL ADDRESSES:

  • (1) Anytime Fitness 6370 Mae Anne Avenue, Reno, NV 89523 (775) 746-8400
  • (2) Anytime Fitness 4784 Caughlin Parkway, Reno, NV 89519 (775) 622-8034
  • (3) Anytime Fitness 18603 Wedge Parkway, Reno, NV 89511 (775) 852-7007

  WEBSITE URL: http://renogyms.org/
  GOOGLE PLACES URLs:

  • (1) http://bit.ly/cERse6
  • (2) http://bit.ly/9u33HG
  • (3) http://bit.ly/aKM8CI

Keywords: Smartsheet, Reno, Gym, Google, Maps, Promotion, QMDHKOB

Google Places spamming hasn't been fully automated yet, so we get to watch spammers outsource their manual spamming. Spamming Google Places is incredibly easy, much easier than creating the link farms required to spam Google's old web search. See the instructions in "Dominating Google Maps- The Most Effective Spam Ever And What You Can Learn From It".

Google Places has been 0wned.

That data is from two months back, before Google Places appeared in web search. Now, it's worse. There's a whole mini-industry in the "black hat" search engine "optimization" community creating phony Google Places entries. Here's an ad on Mechanical Turk today:

Reno Gym - Google Maps Promotion (Client QMDHKOB)
Requester: Smartsheet.com Clients
HIT Expiration Date: Dec 18, 2010 (10 hours 52 minutes) Time Allotted: 60 minutes
Reward: $0.25 HITs Available: 2
Description:

• Follow Instructions on PDF attached for BUSINESS ADDRESS (1)
• Repeat Instructions on page 5 to 14 for BUSINESS ADDRESS (2) and (3) below.
  GMAIL ADDRESS: [Create a new Gmail Account] PASSWORD:
  BUSINESS ADDRESSES:
  • (1) 6370 Mae Anne Avenue, Reno, NV 89523
  • (2) 4784 Caughlin Parkway, Reno, NV 89519
  • (3) 18603 Wedge Parkway, Reno, NV 89511

  BUSINESS TITLE AND FULL ADDRESSES:

  • (1) Anytime Fitness 6370 Mae Anne Avenue, Reno, NV 89523 (775) 746-8400
  • (2) Anytime Fitness 4784 Caughlin Parkway, Reno, NV 89519 (775) 622-8034
  • (3) Anytime Fitness 18603 Wedge Parkway, Reno, NV 89511 (775) 852-7007

  WEBSITE URL: http://renogyms.org/
  GOOGLE PLACES URLs:

  • (1) http://bit.ly/cERse6
  • (2) http://bit.ly/9u33HG
  • (3) http://bit.ly/aKM8CI

Keywords: Smartsheet, Reno, Gym, Google, Maps, Promotion, QMDHKOB

Google Places spamming hasn't been fully automated yet, so we get to watch spammers outsource their manual spamming. Spamming Google Places is incredibly easy, much easier than creating the link farms required to spam Google's old web search. See the instructions in "Dominating Google Maps- The Most Effective Spam Ever And What You Can Learn From It".

Google Places has been 0wned.

So this must be some imaginary organization, huh? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_Children's_Project_International This documentary must be a Hollywood, or better yet, a Greenpeace creation with special effects & actors, huh? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=414073095760658789# This page, taken out of a book about the increase in Thyroid cancer in children in/around Chernobyl must be a fucking imaginary publication, with imaginary facts, huh? http://bit.ly/feqkh6

I love these short replies mattack2 :-)

Thanks for playing Defensive Omnivore Bingo!

http://bit.ly/veganbingo

I'm currently listening to the most recent Intelligence Squared debate about killing others, its focused on Vegetarianism, rather than on Veganism like it should be.

The mention of absurd arguments are brought up during the first speakers opening:

http://www.intelligencesquared.com/events/dont-eat-animals

Sorry for the delay in replying to you.

I find it unacceptable to "use", lets be clear, to *kill* others like this, just as I would find it unacceptable to kill another human being in this manner. I am all for organ donation, after I am dead for example, I am not for being killed for my organs :-)

The issue is actually rather black and white, just as we cannot be a "little bit pregnant", especially as a guy, we either kill others for our uses, or we do not. Throughout time, our societies change, for example, think of human slavery in many developed nations, and how its still having repercussions to this day.

I'm a 23 year old New Zealander, in 1981, years before my birth, was "The Tour". South Africas team visited my country for a tour. This was hotly protested, its a defining moment in my nations history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_South_Africa_rugby_union_tour_of_New_Zealand

A sporting boycott was initiated against South Africa, because of Apartheid. Among the more rural areas, there was "keep politics out of sport", said by our centre Right party to gain approval from those most likely to enjoy the sport, those likely to vote centre Right, against standing up for human rights overseas. Many of our own native people, the Maori were vehemently against the racism, having been prejudiced here.

Early South African tours ran into trouble, with White South Africans not wanting to play a game of sport with "brown" people. We stood up over that, with "No Maoris, No Tour" slogans. Well, now we further refine that, no "Maori", being no plural S in the Maori language, we have further progressed. Times change.

Issues of "welfare" do not matter. All farmed animals live horrible lives, which end in them being killed, "Dairy" cows, Chickens for Eggs, animals such as Sheep from whom we take their Wool, and kill them... they all die the same horrible way.

I am sorry you are diabetic, I am glad you personally are involved in tests. I have family member who were in more dire situations who also were involved in trials. Thank you for helping others. I myself have given blood many times, I'm not sure how much, we dont have "pints" here in the Metric world :-) Although, for tradition, older men order "a pint" of beer.

I think we can agree there is a hell of a difference between those forced into experiments, human and nonhuman equally, and those who volunteer. Nonhumans appreciate and deserve their lives as much as you or I do. Certainly, I love Falafel, but not as much as my Rooster friend :-) http://bit.ly/roosterfalafel

I suppose we could liken the "farming" of animals for xenotransplantation to if we were to do as such to other, "lower classes" of humans, "but they're going to die in poverty any way". We wouldnt argue "but they had a great life living in sterile concrete" because we see *all* human life as valuable, where as currently nonhumans are seen as "lesser", as our "things". An interesting moral question is of a doctor treating a young, healthy patient for a broken bone, when there are several dying patients, who may need a new heart, a new kidney, a new liver etc. Would it be moral to kill the one healthy man, who broke his arm, to save the many? We would never feel this way, surely?

I hope you can respect me for being consistent in that I believe its wrong to hurt others, to class them as our property, to regard them as "things". I wouldnt lie to you because of personal circumstances re diabetes.

If you'd like to learn more about Veganism, please visit http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/ to learn more about Veganism.

Here's a 5 cam version already commercialized http://bit.ly/aHDafK

"Japan team says stem cells made paralysed monkey jump again"

Oh, researchers make animals "jump" eh? How original! Thats what 1.21 Jigga-watts'll do to ya!

I recommend The Animals Film, from 1981, nothing has changed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Animals_Film

I would never force someone to watch The Animals Film, or Earthlings, however, for those willing, TAF has very indepth footage of "animal testing". Near the end, a "two headed dog" is created, by sewing one small dogs head, and forelimbs atop a larger dog. Who knows, perhaps by the same laboratory as this "jumping Monkey".

"TOKYO - Japanese researchers said Wednesday they had used stem cells to restore partial mobility in a small monkey that had been paralysed from the neck down by a spinal injury."

Oh, how nice, they wandered about Japanese rainforests looking for injured Monkeys to help! Awwwww :-)

Most likely, they caused the injury deliberately, perhaps by cutting his or her spine, or in some other fashion. "Look, we kinda fixed it this time" is not a cause for celebration.

We shouldnt be "experimenting" on Nonhuman Animals period.

Its as easy to be Vegan as not, and its the least we can do for others. We kill 56 Billion land animals each year, Fish are not even counted individually, UN FAO statistics from 2007 http://www.bit.ly/56billion , we can do far more help for other animals by *not* treating them as our property, as things, than no doubt deliberately paralysing imported Monkeys, and then "experimenting" to "fix" them.

For more about Veganism, please visit http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/ or try these podcasts , http://bit.ly/veganpodcastinfo . Disclaimer, Coexisting is mine.

"Japan team says stem cells made paralysed monkey jump again"

Oh, researchers make animals "jump" eh? How original! Thats what 1.21 Jigga-watts'll do to ya!

I recommend The Animals Film, from 1981, nothing has changed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Animals_Film

I would never force someone to watch The Animals Film, or Earthlings, however, for those willing, TAF has very indepth footage of "animal testing". Near the end, a "two headed dog" is created, by sewing one small dogs head, and forelimbs atop a larger dog. Who knows, perhaps by the same laboratory as this "jumping Monkey".

"TOKYO - Japanese researchers said Wednesday they had used stem cells to restore partial mobility in a small monkey that had been paralysed from the neck down by a spinal injury."

Oh, how nice, they wandered about Japanese rainforests looking for injured Monkeys to help! Awwwww :-)

Most likely, they caused the injury deliberately, perhaps by cutting his or her spine, or in some other fashion. "Look, we kinda fixed it this time" is not a cause for celebration.

We shouldnt be "experimenting" on Nonhuman Animals period.

Its as easy to be Vegan as not, and its the least we can do for others. We kill 56 Billion land animals each year, Fish are not even counted individually, UN FAO statistics from 2007 http://www.bit.ly/56billion , we can do far more help for other animals by *not* treating them as our property, as things, than no doubt deliberately paralysing imported Monkeys, and then "experimenting" to "fix" them.

For more about Veganism, please visit http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/ or try these podcasts , http://bit.ly/veganpodcastinfo . Disclaimer, Coexisting is mine.

Hi Urkki,

I'll have to leave this as a quick reply.

Once more, please let us all know where you live, where you are literally OWNED by your "employer"! We are of course animals too, can you agree with me there? We set up an artificial distinction, "humans" and "animals", that we are "above" them, or above "IT" perhaps more accurately. Its rather interesting that we chose that position for ourselves, eh? Perhaps Cats think they are above us? ;-)

Physics, "fundamental laws" are not being challenged here, we are talking about unnecessary suffering and death. Are we for unnecessary suffering and death? Why do we kill the animals which we do? Do we *need* to, as a "fundamental principle of physics", or do we CHOOSE to do so?

In New Zealand, theres another huge OUTRAGE (!!!) over Seals being hurt, why have we built certain animals up onto a pedestal? Where they reach a level of demi-gods? Where some people will say things like "animals are better than us, Human beings are a virus on this planet...animals are innocent", once more with that artificial distinction between "humans" and "animals", but in the nonhumans favour this time!

Whales, Dolphins, Seals...hmm, lots of "large marine animals", Cats and Dogs, we somehow have made these animals PERFECT, AMAZING, WONDERFUL, SPECIAL. What distinguishes them in any way from the Chickens I look after? Why do we love some animals, genuinely respect their right to be free, I'd assume *MOST* people in my society would be against having Whales performing etc, you can thank Free Willy for that!

Animals live in the wild just fine Urkki, they most certainly do not need us to cage them, to own them, to control them, to treat them as "ours".

I used Chickens as my example because 1) they make up the VAST majority of the 56 Billion land animals killed each year (2007 UN FAO figures PDF http://bit.ly/56billion ), and 2) because I look after a family of Chickens. I think they are a splendid example for those reasons, they are the most killed, and the nonhumans I myself am most familiar with.

I just founded the Invercargill Vegan Society, promoting Veganism in my small, rural city. I've had my Chicken Friends pose around my business cards etc ;-)

http://coexistingwithnonhumananimals.blogspot.com/2010/12/invercargill-vegan-society-business.html

We have created an artificial justification, a "circle of life". Yes, animals (and we are animals too of course) are born, live, die. We should not harm or kill others, where possible. There will always be deaths, of "natural causes", "act of god", and "accidental" etc. These are unavoidable.

Other animals do many things that you and I would find abhorrent, and morally wrong. We do not justify those activities with "but...Animals do it to each other!...", because they run afoul of our Societal Norms, what we've grown up with, what we've grown up doing to others.

I wouldnt campaign for "humane child molestation", there is no such thing. I wouldnt spend millions of dollars, volunteers time, and perhaps worst, effort to influence consumers opinion against a subset of killing and using others. IE, "factory farming".

Such activity is common from Animal Welfare groups, such as New Zealands SAFE, who are over the moon about a "sow crate ban", for Mother Pigs. They've spent millions on this, and have really made actual progress difficult for those promoting respect for Animals right not to be "things", for us to kill how we wish, for the most trivial of reasons, "coz we like it".

This featured as episode 39 of my show, where I was joined by guests to talk about this declared "VICTORY!!!" : http://coexistingwithnonhumanani

For a simple explanation as to why not even the US Government could claim every visitor to Wikleaks is a subversive woth tailing, check this out..

With the advent of URL shorteners, we all can publish websites online, without DNS, and through Social Networks show it to the world, easily through some link like http://bit.ly/myFooWebsite.
How do people get to a website on bt.ly if there is no DNS?

Do we really need DNS afterwards? Give me an IP and I'll give them a shortened URL through Social Nets... easily through some link like http://bit.ly/myFooWebsite [bit.ly]

You're an idiot.

You're just replacing DNS for a similar system. If they can bring down/seize wikileaks.org, why couldn't they bring down http://bit.ly/wikileaks, or whatever?

And relying on social networks for uncensored information spreading is the worst idea ever, unless you're talking about distributed social networks, which basically don't exist yet. Do you think Facebook or Twitter won't censor if the US govt asks "nicely"?

As I stated on my recent tweet: "Do we really need DNS afterwards? Give me an IP and I'll give them a shortened URL through Social Nets" - http://twitter.com/#!/brunoborges/statuses/10682824059256832 I don't think DNS is needed anymore, at least for websites. With the advent of URL shorteners, we all can publish websites online, without DNS, and through Social Networks show it to the world, easily through some link like http://bit.ly/myFooWebsite. DNS is, IMO, the last hope for Internet control. I have no idea how E-Mail or other protocols could deal with an Internet without DNS, but surely there's a way. Maybe, not invented yet.

WikiLeaks will never be shut down http://bit.ly/WiKiLeaks

As I stated on my recent tweet: "Do we really need DNS afterwards? Give me an IP and I'll give them a shortened URL through Social Nets" - http://twitter.com/#!/brunoborges/statuses/10682824059256832 I don't think DNS is needed anymore, at least for websites. With the advent of URL shorteners, we all can publish websites online, without DNS, and through Social Networks show it to the world, easily through some link like http://bit.ly/myFooWebsite. DNS is, IMO, the last hope for Internet control. I have no idea how E-Mail or other protocols could deal with an Internet without DNS, but surely there's a way. Maybe, not invented yet.

WikiLeaks will never be shut down http://bit.ly/WiKiLeaks

As I stated on my recent tweet: "Do we really need DNS afterwards? Give me an IP and I'll give them a shortened URL through Social Nets" - http://twitter.com/#!/brunoborges/statuses/10682824059256832 I don't think DNS is needed anymore, at least for websites. With the advent of URL shorteners, we all can publish websites online, without DNS, and through Social Networks show it to the world, easily through some link like http://bit.ly/myFooWebsite. DNS is, IMO, the last hope for Internet control. I have no idea how E-Mail or other protocols could deal with an Internet without DNS, but surely there's a way. Maybe, not invented yet.

I'll answer your question seriously, although I found it shocking!

"earn their living"? Do you "earn your keep" by paying me for allowing you to live? Why would other animals? What gives us any more right to harm another, human or nonhuman, any more than I'd have the right to invade another country, kill all the humans (and nonhumans) there?

I use this quote as my email signature

""We need another and a wiser and perhaps a more mystical concept of animals. In a world older and more complete than ours they move finished and complete, gifted with extensions of the senses we have lost or never attained, living by voices we shall never hear. They are not brethren, they are not underlings; they are other nations, caught with ourselves in the net of life and time, fellow prisoners of the splendour and travail of the earth." ~Henry Beston"

I found it on Earthlings, which is a very graphic documentary about how we treat other animals. It contains slaughterhouse footage, farming, "fishing", killing whales, dolphins, vets, medical experiments etc. I never mention it, I use positive images FOR Veganism, rather than attacking nonVeganism, I'm not a fan of political attack ads. "That guys a sonnofabitch! Dont vote for him!..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthlings_(documentary)

Trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW3gunMSCu4

Full video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6361872964130308142#

Positive examples are much better. Once again, here is my YouTube account, with videos of the Chickens I care for :

http://www.youtube.com/jaywontdart

I dont think anyone seriously thinks "there'll be a magic puff of purple smoke enveloping the globe, that all armies will lower their guns, that all (animal) farmers will allow animals to live..."

There are some ~7 Billion people alive, we kill over 56 Billion land animals each year, from the UN FOA 2007 statistics (PDF here http://bit.ly/56billion ). It simply wouldnt be possible to expect (much) more than 56 Billion animals to suddenly get homes with "only" ~7 Billion people alive! I also do not see large scale "releases" of animals to live free.

Supply and Demand, as more Vegans promote Veganism, not "Happy Meat", Demand will decrease over time. How long will it take? Dont ask me! Realistically, certainly not in my lifetime? I like Tim Giers article, A Vegan World in 8 years

http://timgier.com/2010/07/28/a-vegan-world-in-8-years/

However long it will take, a decline in dead flesh, bodily secretions, skin etc bought, less will be "made", less animals forcibly impregnated, less animals born etc etc etc. If we are killing some 56 Billion now, that number would decrease to near zero. I'm sure there will always be people who kill other animals, just as there are people who kill other humans.

Urkki, I would say there is absolutely no such thing as an "ethical" way to kill others. We kill animals, in the case of "meat", keep them alive to take their eggs, control their menstrual cycle, artificially impregnate them, kill the now unwanted child (through "inductions", I covered the topic here, http://coexistingwithnonhumananimals.blogspot.com/2010/11/episode-37-hey-hey-hey-nah-nah-nah.html , links to news videos are at the bottom in Sources), for milk.

And for what? Pleasure, and profit, both ours.

I noticed the use of "it" to describe animals, my last blog post was about a McDonalds Facebook ad I saw, calling Chickens "It"

As a Vegan, I'm always interested when these issues come up on my usual websites. I, like many of the other Animal Rights people here visit Slashdot, Ars, Engadget, Gizmodo etc daily, we dont cause any fuss, but when these "stories" arise, "ohhhhh, they're hypocrites", or "I'm gonna have me a big steak, yummy mc yum yums!!!111!!!" are the usual posts.

I'm also quite against PETA, they have a New Welfarist approach, I despise how they have Women pose and RE promoting Veganism, "screw the principle" http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/ingrid-newkirk-on-principled-veganism-screw-the-principle/

"PETA can't rightfully preach about animal rights while euthanizing tens of thousands of unwanted pets every year. Hypocrisy at its finest.".

They can "preach" Animal Rights while also practising euthanasia you realise? Just as I love being alive, but were I to have Cancer such as others in my family, I could well imagine rather being dead, than to die slowly over the months. Now, I much prefer the idea of No Kill shelters, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-kill_shelter , I dont know how practical they are in real life. I've had family members who've volunteered with the SPCA etc, I myself have no hands on experience of this kind.

I agree with practically NOTHING coming from PETA, I think it must obviously be wrong that they "put to sleep" so many animals each year.

However, please dont write off Animal Rights because of PETA's actions.

http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/ and these shows http://bit.ly/veganpodcastinfo were useful for me.

I also promote Veganism through videos of my Chicken Friends (such as "A Day in the Life..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj8gL8lj-Yg ), and through my show http://coexistingwithnonhumananimals.blogspot.com/

...the pulse rifle from Aliens: http://bit.ly/dIzPZj

Via Google News:

http://bit.ly/fEKab6

Wikileaks used to feature leaks from all over the world, big and small. Truth and transparency for their own sake motivated the organization. In this capacity, Wikileaks might have been a force for good.

But a few years ago, Julian Assange (who is as autocratic as the rumors indicate) and his ilk abandoned the original goals of the organization to wage a political war against the United States. Wikileaks launched a massive fundraising effort, then started to ignore documents from the general public. Most telling is that the operators let the submission system stay broken for months at a time: if your leak doesn't harm the United States, Wikileaks isn't interested.

Today's Wikileaks uses methods that the old Wikileaks would have found deplorable: these include a strict internal hierarchy, deceptive video editing, spin-heavy public statements, marketing-driven timing, purity tests, and blackmail. Whereas idealism drove the old Wikileaks, every action taken by its present incarnation is informed by malice aforethought. It's no longer about the truth. Now, it's a vendetta.

Speaking as someone who was formerly involved with the organization, I cannot support today's Wikileaks or its leadership. They've been captured by their vanity and pride[1] and as far as I'm concerned, they can hang, then burn.

Posting anonymously for obvious reasons.

[1] That some prominent members of the organization consider this wretched document the "obvious truth" illuminates their mindset.

Waiting for LastPass then migration will occur.

Well whaddaya know - it's here! http://bit.ly/dQ4q9a

You own link says otherwise; it states that output PER WORKER reached an all-time high, not US manufacturing output.

You may want to look at the second graph.

US manufacturing output reached an all-time high of ~$3.1 trillion in 2008.

It is also true that as of 2008, US manufacturing productivity per employee was also at a high point up to that date.

The recent recession has dropped US manufacturing output to ~$2.7 trillion in 2009, returning it to levels of 1998. We'll have to see how 2010 does. As of Sept. 2010, US manufacturing output is running 6% higher than Sept. 2009, suggesting that 2010 might end up around $2.8 trillion, the level of manufacturing output in 2000.

"... it could not be considered data mining since data mining, by definition, is about the discovery patterns and trends, not specific facts."

That's a pretty recent version of the definition. If you prefer I use the term "snooping", fine. However, even given your definition of "mining", it is now known that significant personal and business information can be inferred from mining. It isn't as impersonal as just a few statistics might imply.

And how do we know this? From information leaks that have in fact happened, and from statements by Google themselves. They have made announcements about how people should not fear because they "impersonalize" the data, but as I have already mentioned we know this is not sufficient to actually safeguard personal information... or business secrets. There has been a great deal of writing about this in the last few years. Where have you been?

And if you want evidence that Google is not always 100% honest about what it does, look here. I admit that this is not directly applicable to the subject at hand, but if they are less than honest in one aspect of their business, it is reasonable to presume that they are less than honest in other areas as well.

"First of all, corporate executives often pay a lot of money to make sure that their IPO publicity materials are seen by as many people as possible, so this was a horrible example."

I was not referring to "publicity materials", so this was a horrible assumption.

"No rational security policy in the world (except maybe military) requires you to actually own the hardware your data rests on."

This is a completely ridiculous statement. I have not worked for a company in the last 20 years, large or small, that did not have such a policy. Where did you come up with this idea? To be more specific: company data could only be on "company computers", whether they were owned or leased. The exception being an employee's own computer, if it was being used for work.

I will agree with you about the physical access part. But that's a separate issue. Most companies I worked for have had strict policies about physical access.

"While there may be some legitimate concerns about network connectivity, cost and data portability, everything that you're saying in this statement is just plain FUD."

Evidence, please? When somebody calls "bullshit", it is traditional to present some kind of real basis for saying so.

Brazilian here.

Except that the whole thing appears to be some guy trolling. Let's get to the facts:
- The site (http://bobolhando.com.br) where the original article in portuguese in published is but a small blog, apparently run by a single individual. I've never heard about it also.
- The "source" cited at the end of the article is a Twitter account
- The Guardian seems to have picked on the story (don't ask me why)
- The owner of that twitter account posted the following, soon after the Guardian article: "Amigos, trollar o Guardian, quem já conseguiu? http://bit.ly/aiVTeW Texto do @Thiago__Caetano no @bobolhando sim." which translates to "Friends, trolling the Guardian, who accomplished that? Text by @Thiago__Caetano at @bobolhando got it." http://twitter.com/#!/ThiagoTG/status/4740146524061696

So it seems that he got to not only troll The Guardian, but Slashdot also.