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It is crazy how they say their phones have a "fully optimized" version of Android. Yes, with CityID and Blur running. Optimized my ass. With (on some phones) over 20 apps installed by Moto and Verizon that you can't remove and don't want. (reference: http://gildude.blogspot.com/2011/08/call-to-action-for-verizon-and-motorola.html) When you get updates for those installed apps - so that it not only has the old copy that came with the ROM, but now has another copy in the update. (reference: http://gildude.blogspot.com/2012/04/apparently-its-bloat-week-for-verizon.html). Optimized? Not even close. There is a reason that those of us that like to tinker with our devices want to unlock them and put on something better. We also want updates. Not phones frozen at an old "optimized" version. Idiots.

The issue is that Christian faith generally teaches one to be humble and modest. Even more specifically, "it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God". We kinda expect the clergy to live what they preach.

And some do. For example, the late patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church, Pavle, would ride a bus or walk on the street, without fancy clothing other than what's required from him by his rank. Meanwhile, the current patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, Kirill, rides a black limo with a special flag and license plate (so that he doesn't get stopped by the cops when he goes twice the speed limit).

The issue is that Christian faith generally teaches one to be humble and modest. Even more specifically, "it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God". We kinda expect the clergy to live what they preach.

And some do. For example, the late patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church, Pavle, would ride a bus or walk on the street, without fancy clothing other than what's required from him by his rank. Meanwhile, the current patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, Kirill, rides a black limo with a special flag and license plate (so that he doesn't get stopped by the cops when he goes twice the speed limit).

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Yes they really do.

It just so happens that it shifted Republicans from "we're willing to spend responsibly" to "we don't want to spend at all, cut cut cut!" and it shifted

Democrats from "we want to spend like hogs on speed" to "we're willing to spend responsibly".

You are suffering from a complete disconnect from reality. The last Republican President to spend responsibly was Nixon. Reagan, Bush1, and Bush2 all spent with complete irresponsibility. Reagan and Bush1 at least faced reality and tried to increase revenue to match the profligate spending. Clinton did a fair job at bring things back under control. Obama is doing a good job at doing the same but he is faced with the challenge of the worst economy since the 1930s. After the big stimulus of 2009 spending growth has slowed significantly. Look at the chart below.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Vd2xLvW0CHc/TsWZiTKb9YI/AAAAAAAAOg0/IeMyHyUuo-Q/s1600/DebtChart.jpg

As far as more stimulus is concerned... stimulus is the only thing that works at times like this. The great depression proved this. Our current debacle proves this. I'm all for i t

And he seems only willing to pay for it primarily through tax hikes, instead of budget cuts. That's hardly what I'd call "tried to reign in the deficit". Regardless, how can someone take you seriously when spend several trillion dollars in three years and then offer a plan to cut the deficit maybe 100-200 billion per year for the next 10 years?

Another disconnect from reality. Excluding the stimulus which was needed to prevent a complete collapse and needed to catch us from the disaster left by Bush2, spending has been nearly flat. Obama's budgets have had substantial spending cuts. Not as substantial as some republicans want. But remember that those republicans only favor such cuts when there is a democrat in the whitehouse. The debt went up about 5.24 trillion during Bush2 and he never made any plan for reigning that in. During Reagan/Bush1 the debt, which had remained stable since WW2, more than doubled from ~2 trillion to 5 trillion (all figures are in 2000 dollars). So exactly how are we supposed to take republican claims of fiscal responsibility seriously? Have they offered an alternative plan? Oh yeah the Ryan plan: raise taxes on the middle class, slash the budget for everything except the military, let the deficit run wild, all to pay for huge tax cuts for the richest of the rich. That seems... irresponsible but entirely typical.

Yes we are in a pickle but the debt is not our biggest problem. Our real problems are real unemployment of nearly 20% and a society that works it's ass off and benefits only the rich while the rest of us are left to fight over the scraps, all while the scraps get smaller.

Awesome, sorry I don't have any mod points. It reminds me of this: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/07/wikileaks-to-leak-5000-open-source-java.html

> Every Android device is constantly tracked by
> Google. You can see this on Google Maps...check
> out the accuracy and detail of the traffic overlay.

Wow. I always thought they got that info from the DOT or something, who gets it from toll transponders. Then I did a search, and what do you know? You're right. http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/08/bright-side-of-sitting-in-traffic.html

Fun fact: "Some phones, such as the T-Mobile myTouch 3G and the Palm Pre, come with Google Maps and traffic crowdsourcing pre-installed (the iPhone Maps application, however, does not support traffic crowdsourcing)."

See also their statement here: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_maps_gets_smarter_crowdsources_traffic_data.php

it *was* about revenge, steps 1 and 2 were basically "don't do it", and the rest was about how to cause an ex-boyfriend's new girlfriend to break up with him.

http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2010/08/strangest-blog-thread-yet-on-swedish.html

1 is "it is better to forgive".
2 is get your facts straight - who exactly "to take revenge on, as well as why."
3 is reciprocity and keeping up with the theme - "A good revenge is linked to what has been done against you."
3 also mentions using sexual acts as revenge.

For example if you want revenge on someone who cheated or who dumped you, you should use a punishment with dating/sex/fidelity involved.

4 is about plotting, and it makes it clear that number 2 was not about who not to hurt, but who else deserves to get it.

Do a brainstorm of appropriate measures for the category of revenge youâ(TM)re after.
To continue the example above, you can sabotage your victimâ(TM)s current relationship, such as getting his new partner to be unfaithful or ensure that he gets a madman after him.

5 is about being systematic. Or as some might put it - it suggests stalking and going "Fatal Attraction minus a cooked rabbit" on the object of revenge.
6 throws the reciprocity mentioned under 3 out the window, since it talks about grading levels of revenge and getting the most with least out of it.
7 reminds us again that it is all about ensuring that the object of revenge suffers (like the revenger suffered).

So, no.
It is not about getting "ex-boyfriend's new girlfriend to break up with him".
It is about making sure that the people who have wronged one in any way suffer at least as much and preferably in a similar way.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24736941 Taken from http://gregmitchellwriter.blogspot.com/2012/08/will-brits-storm-embassy-for-assange.html.

I call and get fee reversed, but I guess I am one of the few who bother to call and bitch about it( to clarify, I mean about it where it can make a difference... not online...:P)

In case someone needs a way help in that respect, I present you.. way to get fees reversed, discounted or eliminated

Naturally, you actually need to make an effort...

Steve Perry - his blog

http://themanwhonevermissed.blogspot.com/

I'll just leave this here

It's an oldie.

You don't have to create extra email address with Gmail. You can use periods or '+' to create custom email address that still get delivered to your inbox. Then you can set up filters or rules to treat them accordingly. For example, you could sign up with a site with "yourname+sitename@gmail.com" and the email will go to "yourname@gmail.com". So you can track address leaks/sales, or auto-delete/auto-star/auto-file emails from certain sites.

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A school will keep the Math textbooks for an other 5 years, Algebra hasn't changed much, new books is just wasting money, just so kids have a shiny new textbook.

If only it were that simple.

Schools change the materials according to the latest fads and brain farts from the educational establishment. In San Francisco, the primary schools recently changed to Everyday Mathematics, created by the University of Chicago. The schools are getting better at teaching it, now that they've been using it for a few years, but it's still a horrible curriculum. The best teachers provide their own materials, or hang on to older textbooks.

China is screwed. Horribly screwed. You do NOT want to be there when the hammer falls. Perhaps Hong Kong would be OK, it might escape the worst of the problems... if they let you live there...

India is probably better off, but coming from Europe are you seriously ready for the massive culture and lifestyle shock? It just strikes me as one of those societies that it's really hard to get along in if you have not grown up there. This is based on friends from india that go back from time to time, telling me what it is like to live there.

Sure Shanghai Bill. A 8000 pound car. Right. Reminds me of the Hard Drive you sold me.

Automatic no, but all of one check box, right on the iPhones main page when connected in iTunes, yes. I mean, anyone even remotely security conscious isn't going to have any problem seeing it right in front of their own face:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O3LfGOsSkpI/Ta9HW6SCRjI/AAAAAAAAM3c/OekIqze6zkk/s1600/encrypt-iPad_backup.jpg

Usually because in those old cartoons, after the soot gag the character's behavior changes to mimic, without irony, the actions of characters in minstrel shows, which used blackface to propagate racist stereotypes.

Also, the pattern of the soot also recalls those minstrel shows. Tell me this isn't insulting.

10. You can pretend to help decide which CIA-groomed figurehead will front for the banksters during the next four years.

9. If the rigged voting machines break down, your vote might actually be counted.

8. With a bumpersticker like "Don't blame me, I voted for Cynthia McKinney" (or your favorite 3rd party candidate) you'll feel superior to the sheeple for the next four years.

7. Poking little holes in computer cards is good exercise for the muscles in your hands and wrists - and since you only do it every four years, you won't get repetitive motion syndrome.

6. Voting offers an opportunity to do your civic duty: While standing in line waiting to vote, you can hand out 9/11 truth DVDs and explain to the sheeple that if voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal.

5. If each of the two major party candidates gets exactly fifty million votes not counting yours, your vote will determine which candidate can brag about getting the most votes. Unfortunately, due to the mysteries of the electoral college system, getting the most votes has nothing to do with being elected President.

4. You'll get to play a minor role in an outrageous, over-the-top farce, without having to get yourself hired as an extra in a Mel Brooks movie.

3. Since your vote has no effect whatsoever on the actual governance of the nation, you can go ahead and vote without feeling guilty about the mass murders and genocide that the government is guaranteed to keep right on perpetrating, regardless of the electoral outcome.

2. You can cast a write-in vote for a relatively honest president of some relatively honest country, like Hugo Chavez or Fidel Castro or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and hope that your local newspaper will mention it along with the write-in votes for Donald Duck, Ted Nugent, Ted Kaczynski, OJ Simpson, and Mishka the Talking Dog.

1. Casting a meaningless vote in a system rigged to victimize people like you is better than masturbation: It allows you to screw yourself, without requiring you to assume an anatomically impossible position and risk serious injury.

http://truthjihad.blogspot.com/2012/08/top-ten-reasons-to-vote-in-american.html

Beware of the second system effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-system_effect

Rewriting code can kill you in the short term. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html

Or help you in the long term. http://notes-on-haskell.blogspot.com/2007/08/rewriting-software.html

I recall another similar article about a rewrite of MS Office, and what a mistake it was...

What the second essay is missing is that, if you followed Joel's advice which is - refactor - modularise - improve then by the time you get to the long term, your software will be almost as much re-written as in the first case but will do more. In fact it may have become two pieces of software; one which does the aim of your rewrite and another one which provides the compatibility features for peple who need the old feature set.

I was close to posting pretty much the same thing, but actually there are many entries on the subject of patient access to ICD data. (Apparently this is a big issue for the ICD owner community.)

In addition to link OQ posted, there's:
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2012/01/top-five-excuses-icd-manufacturers-give.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2012/01/i-will-get-back-to-you.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2012/01/fighting-for-right-to-access-my-hearts.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2011/12/karen-sandler-cyber-lawyer-running-on.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2011/07/it-isnt-nice-i-want-my-data.html

This is a personal first, but I'm actually going to defend the editors on this one. I think linking to the blog, rather than any single post, was appropriate.

/posting A/C because I work for one of the ICD manufacturers mentioned in the blog

//SW Dev but I don't work on devices

///dammit I had things to do thing weekend that won't get done. I have a feeling I'm going to spend a lot of time catching up on this blog.

I was close to posting pretty much the same thing, but actually there are many entries on the subject of patient access to ICD data. (Apparently this is a big issue for the ICD owner community.)

In addition to link OQ posted, there's:
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2012/01/top-five-excuses-icd-manufacturers-give.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2012/01/i-will-get-back-to-you.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2012/01/fighting-for-right-to-access-my-hearts.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2011/12/karen-sandler-cyber-lawyer-running-on.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2011/07/it-isnt-nice-i-want-my-data.html

This is a personal first, but I'm actually going to defend the editors on this one. I think linking to the blog, rather than any single post, was appropriate.

/posting A/C because I work for one of the ICD manufacturers mentioned in the blog

//SW Dev but I don't work on devices

///dammit I had things to do thing weekend that won't get done. I have a feeling I'm going to spend a lot of time catching up on this blog.

I was close to posting pretty much the same thing, but actually there are many entries on the subject of patient access to ICD data. (Apparently this is a big issue for the ICD owner community.)

In addition to link OQ posted, there's:
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2012/01/top-five-excuses-icd-manufacturers-give.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2012/01/i-will-get-back-to-you.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2012/01/fighting-for-right-to-access-my-hearts.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2011/12/karen-sandler-cyber-lawyer-running-on.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2011/07/it-isnt-nice-i-want-my-data.html

This is a personal first, but I'm actually going to defend the editors on this one. I think linking to the blog, rather than any single post, was appropriate.

/posting A/C because I work for one of the ICD manufacturers mentioned in the blog

//SW Dev but I don't work on devices

///dammit I had things to do thing weekend that won't get done. I have a feeling I'm going to spend a lot of time catching up on this blog.

I was close to posting pretty much the same thing, but actually there are many entries on the subject of patient access to ICD data. (Apparently this is a big issue for the ICD owner community.)

In addition to link OQ posted, there's:
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2012/01/top-five-excuses-icd-manufacturers-give.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2012/01/i-will-get-back-to-you.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2012/01/fighting-for-right-to-access-my-hearts.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2011/12/karen-sandler-cyber-lawyer-running-on.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2011/07/it-isnt-nice-i-want-my-data.html

This is a personal first, but I'm actually going to defend the editors on this one. I think linking to the blog, rather than any single post, was appropriate.

/posting A/C because I work for one of the ICD manufacturers mentioned in the blog

//SW Dev but I don't work on devices

///dammit I had things to do thing weekend that won't get done. I have a feeling I'm going to spend a lot of time catching up on this blog.

I was close to posting pretty much the same thing, but actually there are many entries on the subject of patient access to ICD data. (Apparently this is a big issue for the ICD owner community.)

In addition to link OQ posted, there's:
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2012/01/top-five-excuses-icd-manufacturers-give.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2012/01/i-will-get-back-to-you.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2012/01/fighting-for-right-to-access-my-hearts.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2011/12/karen-sandler-cyber-lawyer-running-on.html
http://icdusergroup.blogspot.com/2011/07/it-isnt-nice-i-want-my-data.html

This is a personal first, but I'm actually going to defend the editors on this one. I think linking to the blog, rather than any single post, was appropriate.

/posting A/C because I work for one of the ICD manufacturers mentioned in the blog

//SW Dev but I don't work on devices

///dammit I had things to do thing weekend that won't get done. I have a feeling I'm going to spend a lot of time catching up on this blog.

Here's a link to the actual post.

It didn't make Linux a huge force in the mobile space. Google made Android huge in the mobile space. The kernel has simply been utilized, with little flowing upstream into it from Android and frequent GPL violations by Chinese ODMs.

It is, otherwise, incompatible with what's commonly referred to as "Linux."

I love the concept of having a phone that runs Linux

-- Linux Torvalds commenting on his blog about his at the time newly acquired Nexus One

I will politely defer to his opinion over what anyone else thinks in this matter.

Full sentence for context:

At the same time I love the concept of having a phone that runs Linux, and I've had a number of them over the years (in addition to the G1, I had one of the early China-only Motorola Linux phones) etc.

That's as close to an explicit declaration by Torvalds on Android being Linux as I can find. If you have something where he says otherwise in a more direct way I'd be happy to see it. Otherwise, if the Nexus One with Froyo Android on it is said to "run Linux" by the creator of Linux then that's case closed.

NE5532 is pretty well respected as the cheapest decent headphone op-amp. Something 10% better than it will cost 300% more.
 
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Reminds me of the weed eater joke. (Moderately offensive.)

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/prolife_movement_decries_murder_of_kansas_lateterm_abortion_provider/
http://deaconchick.blogspot.com/2009/06/wichita-bishop-statement-on-george.html

Nothing but condemnations all around for several days after the fact. If we were out there constantly saying "Don't kill abortion doctors," We'd probably be accused of (*wink**wink**nudge**nudge*) encouraging it, or insincerity for constantly bringing it up.

On the other hand, when pro-choice individuals attack protesters (even protests not happening at a clinic), there is nothing but silence from the pro-abortionists concerning the violent attacks by their supporters. It seems to me that we are not being given the same consideration. Google "prolife protester killed/attacked", and look for statements from pro-choice organizations.

As for Westboro Baptist, I live in Topeka, they are constantly protesting other churches. I personally have been verbally attacked with vulgar language to the point I nearly rushed a large group of them (something they hope for since they are lawyers and are hoping to take you to court) protesting a friend of mine who was about to celebrate his first mass as a priest, and cringe every time my kids see the pornographic stick figures those people carry around. Nobody I know considers them a Christian organization. Why should we have to release a statement condemning an organization that stands across the street from our church to yell obscenities at us on a weekly basis? I'm pretty sure it's obvious we don't support them.

From the google blog:

We’re encouraged by this progress, but there’s still a long road ahead. To provide the best experience we can, we’ll need to master snow-covered roadways, interpret temporary construction signals and handle other tricky situations that many drivers encounter. As a next step, members of the self-driving car team will soon start using the cars solo (rather than in pairs), for things like commuting to work. This is an important milestone, as it brings this technology one step closer to every commuter. One day we hope this capability will enable people to be more productive in their cars. For now, our team members will remain in the driver’s seats and will take back control if needed.

What are those other tricky situations? How often do they occur? How many times do the google employees have to take thee control those tricky situations? Can we get some more info this?

One of the photos on his Flickr account.

His blog post about this one and others.

Okay, here are some more examples of his dishonesty:

here.

There were 3,135 new hot records set in July for the continental US. They outnumbered cold records by 16.6 to 1.

I'm not sure the "nuclear winter" scenario really counts as part of the climate debate as it's more about atomic weapons. I guess it really is unfair to focus mostly on the bad effects of global nuclear war.

The "they used to tell us we were heading into an Ice Age" is a favorite bogus argument of deniers. There was a single peer-reviewed paper in the '70s proposing this hypothesis which made the cover of Newsweek but was retracted less than a year later (see http://atheistethicist.blogspot.com/2009/12/climate-change-ice-age-fears-of-1970s.html).

As for the fears of a liberal conspiracy to take away our profligate llifestyle, all I can say is: don't worry little scaredy-cat, selfishness will prevail as it always has.

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The most extreme extension of this is "the gun in the room," an argument that literally boils down to insisting that there is no subject that's not state coercion, and that nothing else can be discussed or spoken of until libertarian ideals are implemented in their entirety. (Courtesy note: As soon as someone does this, if at all possible leave and never speak to them again. There is no meaningful discussion to be had with anyone who uses this)

Ironically, when pressed to explain what legitimate function government does have the answer boils down to just "guns" - a military to protect the borders, and police to protect the sanctity of private property.

oh of course...

I mean, the Honda Fit, the Chevy Aveo, the Suzuki Aerio and Nissan Versa are so different looking there's no possible way I just mixed them all up.

Companies build products that are easily as similar as what Apple is complaining about, and they never even hit arbitration. Apple is only pursuing legal action because they can afford it (they're likely the most over-capitalized company in the world) and they think they stand to gain market share by suing everyone into being afraid of them.

Here is my experience: Italy to the US

The most extreme extension of this is "the gun in the room," an argument that literally boils down to insisting that there is no subject that's not state coercion, and that nothing else can be discussed or spoken of until libertarian ideals are implemented in their entirety. (Courtesy note: As soon as someone does this, if at all possible leave and never speak to them again. There is no meaningful discussion to be had with anyone who uses this)

Ironically, when pressed to state what legitimate function government has - the Objectivist response is basically "guns" - a military to protect the borders, and internal police to use (ultimately) deadly force to protect private property.

Why you proposed your wife via Slashdot?

Read all about how governments use brain pattern matching abusively.

Just ask the government.

Why you proposed your wife via Slashdot?

Read all about how governments use brain pattern matching abusively.

All libertarian thought basically has this problem - it's all based on simple, reductionist models, which is great for rhetorical purposes, but fails to correctly model reality in any meaningful way.

The most extreme extension of this is "the gun in the room," an argument that literally boils down to insisting that there is no subject that's not state coercion, and that nothing else can be discussed or spoken of until libertarian ideals are implemented in their entirety. (Courtesy note: As soon as someone does this, if at all possible leave and never speak to them again. There is no meaningful discussion to be had with anyone who uses this)

Which I suggested. :-) Related, a list of dystopian novels (example) would be fun. I didn't find that particular novel depressing enough to list in my prior post, but it is well written.

Also, an interesting post apocalypse online novel that certainly qualifies as depressing: http://starvationridge.blogspot.com/

"I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" is pretty darn bleak: a crazed and omnipotent computer has killed off all of humanity except for six people; by the end of the story there is only one left alive, and he has been turned into an amorphous blob that will live forever in torment (with no mouth and yet needing to scream).

Speaker for the Dead is also pretty depressing. After reading it, I was done with Orson Scott Card and I still haven't gone back. Some humans get killed on a newly settled planet, and Ender goes to investigate. Since there is no faster than light travel for matter (only for information), by the time he gets there years have gone by and pretty much everyone's life was ruined by the tragedy. Then Ender's investigation rips open the old wounds. Then he figures out what went wrong and it was all a horrible tragic misunderstanding. I was upset about all this, because Ender was fabulously wealthy and had unlimited access to the "ansibles" (FTL communicators) so at the beginning I thought he was going to play Nero Wolfe, hire someone on the planet to be his investigator, and solve the mystery immediately after it happened and before everyone's lives were ruined. Nope.

Dancers in the Afterglow had such a downer of an ending that it left me thinking "WTF?!?" for days. A plucky female gets captured by bad guys, who torture her, cut off her arms and legs, and put fast-reproducing bacteria in the wounds so they can never be healed properly. At the end of the story she has been rescued, has been given care, seems to be coping and is almost happy again... and then a meteor falls from the sky and kills her instantly. WTF?!? (I don't think Jack L. Chalker hated women... he never wrote anything else like that; and e.g. Mavra Chang found a pretty happy ending in the Well Worlds series.)

There was a short story, "Quietus", where there was some sort of apocalypse and there is only one young man left alive. Against all the odds, there is also one young woman left alive, and he meets her. Through a tragic misunderstanding, an alien who came to help kills the man, and the woman is left grieving over the dead body. The alien then has to live with the knowledge that he had rendered an intelligent species extinct.

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