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yes re economic gain try back in 1972:
http://cryptome.org/jya/nsa-elint.htm
"but most of us, me included, did some kind of smuggling on the side. Everything form small-time black marketeering of cigarettes or currency all the way up to transportation of vehicles, refrigerators, that sort of thing. One time in Europe I knew of a couple of people inside NSA who were stationed in Frankfurt and got involved in the white slave trade. Can you believe that? They were transporting women who'd been kidnapped from Europe to Mideast sheikdoms aboard security airplanes."

http://cryptome.org/2013/06/NSA-WasntAllMagic_2002.pdf

Found the document here... http://cryptome.org/2013/06/NSA-WasntAllMagic_2002.pdf

The UK interest in coded product goes back to the Soviet embassy codes before ww2.
After that code breaking effort political leaders in the UK have really asked "how can we help" and for "more" over every generation.
As US tech got cheaper more became "everything"
GCHQ has had its ups and downs trading the Empire ie land to the USA for NSA product.
The GCHQ was also very smart in staying out of the press, not going to court vs spies and some publishers (so did the NSA for a long time).
The bulk data interest could always be seen as with the first Intelsat (international satellite telephone calls) efforts at Goonhilly Downs -CSO Morwenstow,/GCHQ Bude got every keyword of interest in the late 1960's.
http://cryptome.org/jya/gchq-etf.htm international telephone calls to and from Ireland.
The finding of any keyword of interest on all phonelines was always the aim in the 1960-80's.
re protecting with all of this data mining - the gov, the celebrities, press, trade, disruptive technology, arms deals, diplomatic blackmail, dissidents, protesters, disarmament, peace protesters, bases, police corruption, local elections, trade unions - anything and anyone that could get traction in the community or be a worry to the establishment.
The file placed before a political leader becomes addictive and gets wide domestic budget cuts turned into expanded projects.
Major crimes where only been an issue in ~1990-2000 and seem to have stopped due to the ability of major crime networks to slowly stop using all electronic communications once the court cases start.
CIB3 (anti-corruption squad) and 'Operation Nigeria' also showed what could go wrong for the GCHQ. Corrupt police officers very quickly learn of huge new efforts wrt to "major crimes" and guess what - all electronic communications stop.
Better to let the perception of anonymity keep people talking.
The future is just like the NSA - a rewinding of anyones 'internet' life once they are discovered.
To keep that amount of data you have to collect it all, store and in the past filter for keywords/known links. Add in facial recognition, voice prints, cell tracking, spyware, drones.

Re 1) He told us something that everyone who cares already knows
When commenters on the net would talk of using encryption would result in interest by the US gov - now confirmed.
When commenters on the net would talk of US software and hardware firms helping the NSA voluntary or under colour or letter of the US law - now confirmed.
When commenters on the net would talk of US international telcos helping the NSA voluntary or under colour or letter of the US law - now confirmed.
When commenters on the net would talk of US domestic telcos helping the NSA voluntary or under colour or letter of the US law - now confirmed.
When commenters on the net would talk of a flood of contractors been of much more importance within the NSA - now confirmed.
2) Absolutely no important change will come as a result of his disclosure, except for perhaps the police state getting worse than it already is.
The NSA will have to double up on staff doing routine admin work, hire in outside psychological testing for all staff. Long term the NSA will be filled with smart, patriotic individuals who can only obey orders. Less academic creativity will be a great loss to the USA. Self censorship will start to take a toll on any NSA projects. The NSA will fall in the the state of self doubt that filled the UK in the 1970-80s re internal staff trust issues
Re Essentially, he threw his entire life away for absolutely no reason.
He was a technical assistant for the CIA and the CIA knows how to play long term. A limited hangout over NSA issues most academics, CS, telco workers and protesters knew to be technical possible?
A list of US brands helping their gov. A list of domestic capabilities that expand from http://cryptome.org/jya/nsa-elint.htm August, 1972.
A lot is now confirmed by the US gov by having to make an example of this leak.
I wonder what the US gov could spun if they said its photoshopped and asked for the ID card back?
Recall how the Former British intelligence officer Katharine Gun (GCHQ Oriental languages/Mandarin translator) was treated after her “obtain results favorable to US goals” re UN/Iraq day in court?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_Gun
Charges against her were dropped the day her trial opened at the Old Bailey. The UK had nothing confirmed in court.
As for the NSA terms like "Texas Cryptologic Center" re the former chip plant at San Antonio are now more public.

http://cryptome.org/2013/06/snowden-complaint.pdf

You dont think at least one US telco had the leadership and legal insight to look at what the NSA requested and saw many legal questions?
http://au.businessinsider.com/the-story-of-joseph-nacchio-and-the-nsa-2013-6
Note what happens to the person if you say just say yes or ....
Lawyers and lots of money will not save a person from a ~80-90+% US http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate
http://cryptome.org/mayer-016.pdf
ie you dont start with questions about warrant or subpoena, criminal activity?
"...to assert that its wireless, wireline and internet businesses gave no customer phone records or call data to the NSA.""
Terms like "Call Monitoring Center for the Exclusive Use of the NSA."
"The NSA program was initially conceived at least one year prior to 2001"
Would you like your brand linked into something called "Groundbreaker Enterprise System"?
How long do you think you can hold out for warrants issued by a court under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act or an opinion of the Attorney General holding that any program your telco enters into is lawful?

There is likely some truth there. I remember reading about David Chaum and the original attempt at an internet currency "DigiCash".... which was based on a wonderfully anonymity protecting digital cash protocol that had some real possibilities and might have worked.

Why did it fail? Apparently there were multiple moments where they were close to having major deals worked out with early online retailers, but, each time it fell apart partially due to paranoia. It doesn't surprise me at all that someone that becomes such an expert in hiding data and security is...well... a bit paranoid. It kinda goes with the territory: http://cryptome.org/jya/digicrash.htm

"Government institutions are among the targets of an attack on Pakistani bodies, which originates in India, according to reports. The campaign is using vulnerabilities in Microsoft software to install the HangOver malware"

Sep 2003: CyberInsecurity: The Cost of Monopoly

http://cryptome.org/0001/tm-31-210.htm

Screw buying it. It is copyright free. Download it.

AC because I modded.

Storage is not an issue if you only record a transcript of each phone call. Include a separate database of a low quality sample of parts where the voice to text transcript algorithm is unclear and higher quality samples of any phonecalls with preselected keywords or names or numbers mentioned/used.

Search and analysis is not a problem after the fact, you just identify people and keywords of interest, by which these are tagged and indexed.

I believe UK and USA hold such data indefinitely. And there have been several stories of USA building huge datacenters in deserts holding and analyzing this data. Also the algorithms and people doing this work is very old news.

And the goal is to record all the planet's conversations. Facebook and Google help map the people's connections and tag them to databases for any links.

The problems from using these for any FBI purpose after the fact comes from the fact that machine transcripted phone calls are hardly 100% accurate and won't hold evidence value in court, but certainly they should help know the topic of the conversation after the fact, which is what the FBI dude here is talking about.

If you are more interested, order the archives from: https://cryptome.org/ where I believe a lot of the news items related to this topic are archived.

Assassination Politics., but does bitcoin have the necessary infrastructure?

No measureable change that has been acknowledged publicly. A lot of government organizations have tightened their grip, though. New security policies, programs that allow and encourage coworkers to report potential security risks, more thorough background checks and monitoring of access to data just to name a few.

Which would be a very big success for Assange.

So how exactly does Cablegate do anything but make governments paranoid and more suspicious of us?
The other problem is Bradley Manning claims the documents were somehow sanitized before submission but how is it technically possible? I know technology well enough to know that isn't possible for one person to do. It's also not possible to do on an unsecured machine so unless he did it himself while somehow still on the government computer I just don't believe it. Is there some process to automatically redact or sanitize information built into the government computer because I cannot make sense of that.

No measureable change that has been acknowledged publicly. A lot of government organizations have tightened their grip, though. New security policies, programs that allow and encourage coworkers to report potential security risks, more thorough background checks and monitoring of access to data just to name a few.

Which would be a very big success for Assange.

Censored Slashdot Post

http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=2494685

http://cryptome.org/2013/01/tails-exploit.htm

21 January 2013

Tails Linux version 0.16 - Firewall Disabling Script Waits For Exploitation

A sends:

Tails Linux version 0.16 - Firewall Disabling Script Waits For Exploitation

"If youâ(TM)re running Tails version 0.15 or 0.16, please locate and delete the following file each session: /usr/local/sbin/do_not_ever_run_me

The file, if ran with correct permissions, will completely disable your firewall! So much for the idea that Tails always routes everything through Tor! Where this news has been posted and comments allowed, mysterious âoeanonymousâ users have expressed their low brow intelligence leaving comments such as, âoeWell you need to be root to run it so it doesnâ(TM)t matter, if you have root you can do anything!â

First of all, a file called âoedo_not_ever_run_meâ shouldnâ(TM)t be on a Linux system. If it should NEVER BE RUN, and that means by anyone, root or user, local or remote, it SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE DISTRIBUTION!

Any current or future exploit which targets this file will âoedrop the shieldsâ for the Tails user.

Perhaps Tails itself in its next version, 0.17, should be nicknamed, âoedo_not_ever_run_meâ.

Another questionable decision by the Tails developers is to place the following line within the torrc file (located at /etc/tor/torrc):

## We donâ(TM)t care if applications do their own DNS lookups since our Tor

## enforcement will handle it safely.

WarnUnsafeSocks 0

Oh, really? We donâ(TM)t care? Who is we? Itâ(TM)s not me! As the man page for Tor states, this is set to 1 by default, yet Tails sets it for 0! So if something âoeleaksâ, you will never know it? Each session, delete this line or comment it out so the default is 1 like it should be for a Tor session.

What else can we find in this anonymously developed distribution? Iâ(TM)m glad Iâ(TM)m not driving a car with software made by this group of developers."

aka: Tails 0.16 lower shields

src: anonymous

reply: no, throwaway acct

Shill alert!

http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

Read this and look for the signs. Nobody would post something like this normally unless they were paid to! Ignore and move on!

By not talking about it even though it's still going on. There's a media blackout for a reason, because people don't know it exists if it's not on TV. Read this and be enlightened: http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

You really think we don't recognize you, you COINTELPRO piece of shit?

Go die in a corner! You're America's number one enemy!

http://sourceforge.net/projects/nfienfcollector/

Source: http://cryptome.org/2012/08/huge-sec-v6000.txt

I wouldn't want to be on the other end of your so called targetting "process":

http://www.cryptome.org/2012/01/0094.pdf

This was a MANNED AIRCRAFT flying a mission in support of troops under fire. This NOT an example of the targeting process for drones the GPP was referring to. If fact it is the opposite: an example of what happens when you DON'T use drones, and you don't have the review and dispassionate decision making that they enable.

I wouldn't want to be on the other end of your so called targetting "process":

http://www.cryptome.org/2012/01/0094.pdf

...like they successfully did with Wikileaks.

Operation W.T.F.
COINTELPRO

Wikileaks died of poor planning. It died of ego. And you know what: Good. Enough people have seen the need for a secure and anonymous disclosure of documents that are in the public's best interest to know, but come from citizens in oppressive countries without journalistic shield laws (Yes, United States, I am looking at you). The next incarnation of Wikileaks will not be captained by one man, it will not rely on easily co-opted financial institutions to survive, and... hopefully, that decentralization will also help the next version stay honest.

The "next incarnation of Wikileaks" is cryptome, and it's still around since 1996, despite not following your decentralized bullshit manifesto. Why? Because John Young cares about making information freely available, not about portraying himself as warrior/martyr-in-chief on some anti-US crusade, and because the US isn't really far enough down the police state path to be able to be seen as killing this sort of thing.

If I'm going to donate to any such site, it's gonna be to Cryptome, who has managed to do the gov't leaks thing since 1996.

Unlike Assange, the guy has been doing this the whole time without being an attention whore.

I mean, shit - Cryptome takes donations too, but instead of a stupid hat or t-shirt, you get a DVD with their entire site archive on it.

You know, something *useful*...

The traditional place has always been cryptome.org. Please note that that's the place where early Wikileaks leaks were leaked giving some of us an insight into the possibility that Wikilieaks would turn out to be less than fully competent. The question you should ask yourself is a) how do I get it there safely (the same applies to Wikileaks drop of points) and anonymously b) how do I make sure there isn't a water mark or some other code which makes the information traceable to me or someone close to me.

As far as "blow up in your face" goes, if you are relying on Wikileaks to secure yourself then you are demented. You need to make sure that any leak you do is absolutely untraceable, especially by the site that you leak through. God knows how you do that. Unsecured WiFi? Freenet + Tor? Some distant internet cafe whilst travelling in disguise by bus (to avoid license plate recognition). Whatever; keep it simple; involve the minimum number of people (that should mean one - yourself). Now that's what "inquiring minds" really want to know. The google searches around this are remarkably and interestingly useless. If you are planning to leak material then I wouldn't bother trying them :-) Remember "the issue is whether you are paranoid enough".

They were two different projects! Avrocar was a lot smaller. Look at the other comments here.

Nice try COINTELPRO!

This Machine Kills Secrets, by Andy Greenberg

-----Unauthorized Book Review-----

Privacy on the Internet can easily be a life or death proposition: whether it was Yahoo and Jerry Yang outing a Chinese pro-democracy activist to the Chinese government, the secret police of Bahrain disappearing protesters, or the extraordinarily long incarceration and sleep-deprivation torture of Bradley Manning, the outcomes can be enormous!

When events work positively, lives are saved and movements flourish in Myanmar, Eastern Europe and elsewhere.

Andy Greenberg's monumental book, This Machine Kills Secrets, delivers mightily. Greenberg has exhaustively researched the story --- and the back story --- providing the reader with the ultimate bird's eye view of the unfolding story of WikiLeaks, Internet privacy and the corporate and governmental battles waged against them --- this is one kick ass book --- and Greenberg gets everything right!

This is no David Wise or Eamon Javers misinformation trope, this is the real deal, my Wolfen friends.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0525953205

For those who wish to stay current, the sites below may be of interest.

I-Sites:

http://www.privacysos.org/blog
http://cryptogon.com/
http://www.narconews.com/
http://www.globaleaks.org/
http://www.cryptome.org/
http://www.whistleblower.org/
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/

This particular forum is filling up with lots of info that spy agencies don't like to see widely distributed. I predict that those (few) Slashdot admins who are forum spies will soon 'Slide' this forum off the front page. I.e. They will implement a Forum Slide to remove the offending discussion from sight. Watch as a bunch of 'junk' articles soon appear, and this thread becomes hidden. Note that I have exposed and correctly anticipated the actions of the Slashdot forum spies previously, and they have aggressively modded me down and/or silenced me for it, so don't be surprised if this comment gets modded 'troll' pretty quickly.

I think you greatly underestimate the difficulty of truly anonymous publishing. There are half a dozen advanced hacks capable of determining where the info came from. Especially if you are submitting to a Honeypot, but even if you are not. Yes, I know all about the many methods of anonymity - are you aware of the many methods of defeating them?

Here's what John Young, founder of Cryptome and early Wikileaks Board Member, has to say on this matter: Anonymous Publication is Dead

Notice how people now always use 'conspiracy theory' with very negative connotations. Many 'conspiracy theories' are derided in their time, yet later turn out to be true. Any well-read historian ought to be able to rattle off several true conspiracies without really thinking about it: the Balfour Declaration, the origin of cannabis prohibition, the ultra secret, the list goes on. Really, anytime people secretly conspire to get their own way it is a conspiracy. This happens all the time. Yet the phrase 'conspiracy theory' now has very negative connotations, often affiliated with mental illness, violence, and unreliability.

I wish to suggest that the phrase 'Conspiracy theory' has been tainted to uselessness. Does anyone who knows anything about the topic believe that JFK was killed by a lone gunman? Yet stating anything to the contrary makes one a 'conspiracy theorist', with all the implied negative stereotypes. This is very convenient to Information Warfare professionals (I personally know quite a few), because is provides an excellent way to discredit someone who is trying to expose truthful material about a real conspiracy. Here is a manual that describes how information warfare disinformation specialists operate. I can't tell whether the phrase 'conspiracy theory' was deliberately or accidentally poisoned, but either way it is very convenient to disinformation types.

At the instant when I posted my above comment re. jmorris42's comment, now a +5, his comment had been modded DOWN to a -1. No REAL slashdotter would mod that particular comment DOWN. And for commenting on this I get modded as a TROLL. Uh huh. Hey, slashdot readers, wake up and smell the forum spies. They are quite active on Slashdot. And if you point this out, or make a stink about it, they will PERSONALLY target you. Note that the TECHNIQUES used by forum spies only work when the target audience REMAINS IGNORANT of their methods. Thus, if we collectively educate ourselves about how our local forum spies operate, their techniques no longer work!

I also annoyed some [unknown identity] Slashdot admins, and they 'switched' me, too. My crime was posting The Gentleperson's Guide to Forum Spies as a possible front page article. Someone REALLY did not like that article, as they INSTANTLY removed it from sight, on two different occasions.

Any organization performing COINTELPRO operations would HATE that article, and would do their best to censor it.
*Puts on tinfoil hat* Gee, do you think it's possible that forum spies have infiltrated Slashdot admin?
Hint: It's now possible to buy turnkey solutions to manipulate online forums, with a full ecosystem of pre-made false accounts already in place. I have personal experience with private consulting firms that do just this. The article I linked to above provides details on how this is done, which is why it is HEAVILY CENSORED content. If you don't believe that, try to get that article in front of many eyeballs, and watch how quickly you get blocked from doing so.

Why was this last comment modded down, and by whom? It seems like a pretty good comment to me. Who, besides a forum spy, would want to keep the above comment out of sight?

HUGE Security Resource+ - version 6000 - 08/31/2012
http://cryptome.org/2012/08/huge-sec-v6000.txt

The document Slashdot refuses to post!

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http://cryptome.org/2012/08/huge-sec-v6000.txt

The document Slashdot refuses to post!

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http://cryptome.org/2012/08/huge-sec-v6000.txt

The document Slashdot refuses to post!

HUGE Security Resource+ - version 6000 - 08/31/2012
http://cryptome.org/2012/08/huge-sec-v6000.txt

The document Slashdot refuses to post!

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http://cryptome.org/2012/08/huge-sec-v6000.txt

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The document Slashdot refuses to post!

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http://cryptome.org/2012/08/huge-sec-v6000.txt

The document Slashdot refuses to post!

HUGE Security Resource+ - version 6000 - 08/31/2012
http://cryptome.org/2012/08/huge-sec-v6000.txt

The document Slashdot refuses to post!

HUGE Security Resource+ - version 6000 - 08/31/2012
http://cryptome.org/2012/08/huge-sec-v6000.txt
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=f3Z4fQvK
http://pastebin.com/f3Z4fQvK

the document Slashdot refuses to post, even deletes it from submission queue.

HUGE Security Resource+ - version 6000 - 08/31/2012
http://cryptome.org/2012/08/huge-sec-v6000.txt
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=f3Z4fQvK
http://pastebin.com/f3Z4fQvK

HUGE Security Resource+ - version 6000 - 08/31/2012
http://cryptome.org/2012/08/huge-sec-v6000.txt
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=f3Z4fQvK
http://pastebin.com/f3Z4fQvK

HUGE Security Resource+ - version 6000 - 08/31/2012
http://cryptome.org/2012/08/huge-sec-v6000.txt
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=f3Z4fQvK
http://pastebin.com/f3Z4fQvK

Poor Slashdot, won't even publish this important document.

HUGE Security Resource+ - version 6000 - 08/31/2012
http://cryptome.org/2012/08/huge-sec-v6000.txt
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=f3Z4fQvK
http://pastebin.com/f3Z4fQvK

Thank you Cryptome for posting it at the top of the page today!

Freedom to post whatever you want in a public forum is important in our world today. Wikileaks seems to self destructing and isn't necessary in the grand scheme of things.

Came here to say this. There will always be a vacuum for leaking facilitators, especially with the vast-reaching scale of the Internet and strong cryptography and anonymization technologies, and it will always be filled. Even without Wikileaks, there are other sites like Cryptome. Hell, even Gawker's filling that role. Hell, here's a compiled list. With decentralized file-sharing sites, any torrent tracker or public file server can operate as a host for information. As Brand famously said, "Information wants to be free", and the "99%" of any country will continue to be hungry consumers of that information.

It doesn't matter if Assange wants to be a showman or douche things up. He doesn't matter at all in the grand scheme of things. He's merely the current public face of a system that has always existed and will always continue to exist. You can't make an example out of a thing like that.

The Powers that Be aren't stupid. They have to know this. Our job as the Public is to systematically remove any alternatives that they have to being good and respectful to their fellow man, and leaking is a critical and and inevitable part of that mission. With the Internet, we are closer than ever to having the tools to actually accomplish this. This doesn't mean that all leaks are good and noble; it does, however, mean that we need to respect their role in making the world a better place. It also means that legislating against this inevitability is both futile and self-destructive in the short term.

Simple: You and parent commenter are forum spies, spreading US bullshit propaganda.

Don't think we aren't on to you.

NO. YOU STOP THE LIES!

PROTIP: The two girls have withdrawn their claims a looong time ago, and admitted, that it was just some jealousy/rivalry thing since he banged them both, and that they were very much pushed into it by the cops.

So much for retards like you endlessly parroting this bullshit and deliberately ignoring this, as if you lived behind the moon. Then again, I’m not surprised. I’ve seen this again and again.