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You said, "which is required by law", then pointed to an FAA regulation, which is not the same thing. And on top of that, it references that it's a carrier decision, making that a fairly worthless thing to point to without fully examining carrier restrictions.
 
Your bolding for the United statement also missed the previous word, which is radio. Nowhere on the United page does it cover GPS, permitted or restricted. And while you could argue that GPS signals which fall generally in the 1.1-1.5 GHz range are "radio", that doesn't overlap with any of the more common definitions of radio being shortwave, AM, FM, etc. Given how the United page seems to be written to a non-technical audience, I'm going to assume that they are talking about AM/FM sorts of communication.
 
I think I was wrong about the transmission vs reception part, as WIFI is now allowed, which throws that out. Especially Delta's new "Free In-Air Texting" which isn't texting, but is a handful of messaging protocols that are running over WIFI, and seemingly without the 10,000 ft limitation. (The copilot on my last flight was telling a flight attendant that he was getting messages all the way through landing, which is not comforting.)
 
And here's Delta's list of approved devices. You'll notice that GPS receivers are allowed in all stages of flight.
 
So, are you going to retract your statement about Airplane Mode being required by law to disable GPS?

You just have to pay a slightly higher fare for the larger seats.

If you refuse to pay a little extra for the extra legroom, well you've just demonstrated why the airlines are prioritizing lower fares over more space.

From Delta's press release:
Deltaâ(TM)s biometric boarding pass experience is being tested at DCA, with Phase 1 already underway, allowing eligible Delta SkyMiles Members to forego a paper or mobile boarding pass and hard copy ID in favor of using fingerprints as proof of identity at the Delta Sky Club.

So, technically, you're right; for at least some people, it's not soon... it's now.

DL just recently bought their software back in house

On the web page that lists open IT jobs for Delta, most jobs are in Atlanta, GA, and a few are in Minneapolis, MN.

I don't know how many of their IT employees are H-1Bs, though.

DL just recently bought their software back in house Two things I know is that the Holiday development freeze is over and they do software loads occasionally. If I had to be a betting man, one of their loads went bad.

Have you seen their latest effort in the race to the bottom (sub-economy seating like Spirit)??

You mean by copying what Delta rolled out three years ago?

https://pro.delta.com/content/...

The services are the same as Spirit - United's 'seating' is exactly the same as it's been for years.

Business spent 3.24 Billion dollars in 2013 lobbying (and about that same inflation amount every year before that too for at least a decade).

They do this expecting to get a return on the money. Indeed, some prior studies have shown lobbying has a roughly 30:1 multiplier so that means they got about 100 billion dollars of "excess" profits in return for their 3.24 billion spent.

Lobbying often alters the rules so it is harder to enter an existing area to compete in it. Sort of like "removing the rungs of the ladder" after you have climbed up it.

The cost of an unrestricted, refundable ticket with free bags was $600 in 1975. The cost of a restricted, non-refundable ticket with narrower seats and less leg room and no bags is $508. (http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjournals/blog/seat2B/2014/05/don-t-believe-the-airfare-spin-cost-to-travel-is.html?page=all). If you want a flight experience similar to 1975, the cost is well above $600.

Airline companies are making good profits...
http://ir.delta.com/files/earn...

Deltaâ(TM)s pre-tax income for the September 2014 quarter was $1.6 billion, excluding special items 1 , an increase of $431 million over the Sept ember 2013 quarter on a similar basi s. Deltaâ(TM)s net income for the September 2014 quarter was $1.0 billion, or $1.20 per
diluted share, and its operating margin was 15.8 percent, excluding special items

With a 24.75% profit margin, they are very profitable (XOM under 10% when oil was still high, SYY under 2%).

Carriage laws in the US prevent a ticket price from being changed after it is purchased. This includes canceling the ticket because of the price it was issued at (because this is effectively the same as changing the price of the ticket since the consumer would have to repurchase it). You'll notice that Delta's carriage policy specifically outlines that they will never sell a ticket for $0 so they can excluded it. Since they can't state this for any other fare price, they can't exclude it and it falls under the general carriage policy. http://www.delta.com/content/dam/delta-www/pdfs/legal/contract_of_carriage_dom.pdf It would be different if, say, Kayak or Expedia screwed up and gave the wrong ticket price... but since this was on the carriers website and they are dealing directly with the customer, they are SoL.

The Sounder and Seahawks just Signed Delta as their flight provider, Paul Allen has been known to use one deal to strike another... http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=2109 maybe that is why they went Surface..

Delta has hubs and employees in California. It does plenty of business in California, probably far more than they do in Georgia. The location of an HQ means less and less these days.

Somehow I doubt that. Take note of the spider web surrounding Atlanta. Their recent mergers have added a couple of big hubs in the midwest to their massive operation in Atlanta. Judging by the map it's a possibility that Delta does more business in Atlanta in a day than they do in California in a month.

that's not how trademarks work. trademarks are designated for the specific market you operate in.

TIME dotCom specialises in mobile, fixed, internet and payphone services.

TIME Magazine puts out a news magazine.

for another example, see http://www.delta.com/ and http://www.deltafaucet.com./ both companies have trademarked delta, but in obviously different markets.

The submission was of US based carriers

Sigh. OK, here you go:

http://www.delta.com/traveling_checkin/inflight_services/economy_class/economy_comfort.jsp

That's not really how trademark works. Two different companies can use the same trademarks if they work in sufficiently different fields as to not lead to confusion.
Evidence:
http://www.delta.com/
http://www.deltafaucet.com/
http://www.deltamachinery.com/
http://www.deltadental.com/
http://www.delta.edu/
http://www.deltasociety.org/
http://www.deltacycle.com/
http://www.deltacreative.com/
http://www.deltacollege.edu/
http://www.deltastorage.com/
http://www.deltatargets.net/
http://www.madebydelta.com/
http://www.deltachildren.com/
http://www.deltawaterfowl.org/
http://www.deltamarine.com/
http://delta.ncsu.edu/
http://www.deltasrestaurant.com/
http://deltamotion.com/
http://www.deltaeducation.com/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0910860/
http://www.deltapress.com/
http://www.deltatire.com/
http://www.deltarf.com/

> What? You don't? So... you're expecting a commercial plane to allow you to pull out wifi or drape a bunch of CAT-5 everywhere to play games on the flight? What?!?

Delta have Wi-Fi equipped a lot of their planes, actually ( http://blog.delta.com/category/wi-fi/ ) and the new Boeing Dreamliner comes with networking as standard (although mostly it comes up as a security risk - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787#Computer_network_vulnerability ).

> Okay, maybe more understandable than a plane, but if you're THAT bored on a train ride AND you feel you really really need to play Starcraft II before the trip's over, you need help.

You're aware there are train journeys over an hour, right? Edinburgh-London being the easy example, rolling in at 6-8 hours.

Not in Economy on any of the international flights I've been on.

A number of airlines actually do have limited in-flight power in economy these days, such as Delta and Continental. A good website for finding out which airlines have this feature on which equipment is SeatGuru.

What kind of airlines do you fly on? All the major U.S. domestic carriers do, as far as I can tell. Just now spot-checked Continental, Delta, United, and Southwest.

And who should you fly instead?

United: $15 first/$25 second
US Air: $15/$25
Delta: $15/$25
Continental: $15/$25
Northwest: $15/$25

I got bored here, but I think you get the picture....

A comment this ignorant, and yet this highly rated, pretty much demands a rebuttal.

1. "I think Red Hat has no right to attempt to coax or coerce companies into giving away code. If OSS is the future, then it will happen, with or without Jim's little tantrum."

Guess what? There are *a lot* of companies coming to Red Hat, right now, *asking how to participate in open source projects.* So Jim is not talking pie-in-the-sky here; he's talking about capitalizing on momentum that already exists. There's pretty much zero coercion involved here.

2. "It is ridiculous for a CEO to attempt to paint his company as some kind of inspired model upon which other companies should remodel themselves."

So why is it, exactly, that Sun and Novell are trying to rebuild their business models, again? Help me out here.

3. "If Jim wants to make a difference, he should fund new development from emerging pools, like Google with the GSoC (not that I'm a Google fan, but that's another story), or IBM with their paid employee time contributions, or EnterpriseDB with their backports to the PostgreSQL team or Sun with their (somewhat clumsy) contributions to the OSS community. There are plenty of companies already doing what he says, he should be happy for that and encourage those already willing rather than attempting to project an agenda onto those it does not suit."

Considering that *every engineer at Red Hat is an open source software engineer*, either full-time or part-time, I'd say that Red Hat is funding plenty of open source development all around, thanks very much. Or maybe you don't think that any of this stuff counts.

4. "Having a whine that companies in the Old Establishment should be putting free money into his playpen is a naieve, futile and potentially harmful thing for Jim to be doing."

As it turns out, executives at big companies are smarter than you are. See, they understand the difference between "differentiating value" and "non-differentiating value". (Read some Bruce Perens if you don't get that idea.) Jim Whitehurst was the COO of a Very Large Company that had a larger annual IT budget than Red Hat's entire annual revenues. He saw firsthand how much money and manhours IT departments waste on software that doesn't actually add any value to the business. "Old Establishment" is looking desperately to make sure that those IT guys are building value, not wasting time on stuff that doesn't differentiate them from their competition. Understanding *and participating in* the open source model is one of the best possible ways to do exactly that. Which is why "Old Establishment" is coming to Red Hat and saying "help us".

The limiting factor is that Red Hat is not yet big enough to provide all of the services and guidance that these customers need. Jim is committing himself, publicly, to meeting that challenge. At Red Hat, we're all very proud of him for saying so.

Delta owns the following:


71 Boeing 737s @ $50 million per
68 Boeing 757s @ $65 million per
75 Boeing 767s @ $140 million per
8 Boeing 777s @ $200 million per
63 MD 88s @ $40 million per
16 MD 90s @ $45 million per
68 CRJ 100/200/700s @ $24 million per


that brings this one airline's fleet cost to just about $25 billion. And I was giving the low estimate for the cost of the planes.

http://www.delta.com/about_delta/corporate_informa tion/delta_stats_facts/aircraft_fleet/

where's the site to help people resign from the state?

Actually, any of these sites can help. Just be sure that you tell them that you only need a one way ticket.

• The big airlines now charge a $10 or more service fee to book flights by phone or at the counter, because they expect you to do it by Internet (saving them money).
• 64% of Americans research cars on the Internet before buying one
• 68.5 million Americans "e-filed" their tax returns in 2005.

In fact, today riding on the plane I sat next to an old man who uses email to communicate with his kids while on his worldwide travels. The kicker? He doesn't own a computer or know how to use one. He writes his email in longhand, then asks around until he finds somebody to type it in and sent it off, wherever he is. He says this method is faster than mail and more reliable and accessible(!) than getting an international phone connection from remote locations.

Delta Airlines, just prior to their recent bankruptcy filings, launched a new website that they are so proud of they are advertising the new website on television and radio. In their radio commercial they described the site as being "written in delicious Java".

Now it's one thing to be proud of a website and it's another thing to advertise that website. But, why would anyone need to know that it was written in Java? It's an airline reservation website for the general public! Why is the public supposed to know or care that the Delta Airlines website is "written in delicious Java"? What moron would put that in the advertisement?

We have replaced several Java apps at my job with Perl. It runs faster, uses less resources, and is simple to modify (no compilation needed).

Actually, all three points are probably misinformed.

First, java is faster than perl according to nearly every benchmark I've ever seen. For example:
http://www.caucho.com/articles/benchmark.xtp
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/craps.php

Second, you obviously aren't using Ant to automate your java buid and deploy process. If you were, the version control, compile, test, document, and deploy steps are a single click. Instead, you make it sound like you are making ad hoc changes to your production code. Bad. Oh, and finding bugs at build time instead of "in the field" is a good thing, not a bad thing.

You've got to be kidding when you say java isn't good for web applications. What exactly is wrong with JSP and servlets? There are several dozen very high quality application server components written in java over at the Apache Jakarta project. I suppose that all the people out there using Oracle and IBM tools to run their intranet enterprise apps on web based java platforms don't know what they are doing?

You seem to be thinking of java development as applet development. That is 7 years out of date. Go check out the following pages to see java in action on the web:
http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/pg_inde x.jsp
http://www.delta.com/home/index.jsp

• The IT guy at Podunk Lutheran College has no money: Gratis.
• The IT guy at a medium-sized real estate agency has some money: $500.
• The IT guy at a Fortune 100 company has tons of money: $50,000.

For some reason, this sounds familiar.

So where's my in-flight wifi?

How do you propose to check in, when they look at the name as it is returned from the database, and it doesn't match your ID?

You haven't flown recently, have you? It is trivial to check in without anyone checking your ID against the database, so long as you have no baggage. Heck, some airlines even offer online checkin from home. If you need to check a bag, though, you're right.

I agree that 50 mW of power is probably high if a palm pilot uses ~ 200 mW of power. But lets use that number as you suggest.

According to this BBC article, a single cell phone caused enough instrument panel craziness and communications interference. The direct quote is:

He heard the interference in his headphones, and at the same time his automatic landing system was showing anomalous behaviour.

I swear I am getting somewhere. According to this cell phone for dummies tutorial, it says the the average cell phone puts off 3W signals (3000 mW) (into 4pi steradians), just as you are proposing the palm pilot emitts 50 mW. That means 60 people using a Palm Pilot could cause enough interference to make equipment malfunction. Now if you take your typical Delta plane, it seems that the number of seats is about 150 for continental, and about 225 for intercontinental flights. If about 1/3rd of the people (continental) or 1/4th (intercontinental) are using a palm pilot, this is enough to cause significant interference, and enough for something like "the stick-shaker in the cockpit, a warning signal that the plane is about to stall, started to operate." (again from the BBC article). It is still not worth it to me.

Hmmm, you're right. Delta still allows them to be used, but only once you're in the enroute cruise phase of flight.

United's website does not mention handheld GPS units one way or the other.

I can't beleive that Lufthansa, one of the crappiest airlines i've ever flown on...

All airlines have shitty airplanes. They put the really nices ones on the high-profit routes. I've flown on Lufthansa, KLM, United Airlines, Delta, Southwest, and some others that don't come to mind immediately. They all have stellar planes like the one you flew on British Airways. Also, they all have crappier, older planes. You just got unlucky on your Lufthansa flight(s).

It seems that you don't fly much...

I highly recommend a book by Robert Cross. ISBN 0-7679-0033-2. He used to work for Delta Airlines and developed some of the industries priceing practices.

The airlines tries to segregate customers into different categories by their ability and willingness to pay. They want to make sure that the business traveler who "must fly now" pays more than the vacation traveler. They regulate the inventory to sell enough cheap seats to ensure the inventory doesn't spoil (airline lingo for a flight with empty seats), yet keep enough for travelers with the need to fly and the ability to pay more. The dream is to make sure that every passenger on board a full flight paid as much as their situation supports.

::grin::

lameness filter circumvention device: 1 and 2 and 3 and four... rubber dubber lubber lore

Goatse.cx buying a piece of Delta?
Delta selling the Brooklyn bridge?

Shame! Both of you are going to prison for a very long time!

Goatse.cx buying a piece of Delta?
Delta selling the Brooklyn bridge?

Shame! Both of you are going to prison for a very long time!

yes.. and here you can buy the brooklyn bridge. --matt

Guys, I know this is horribly OT -- but I just read this press release on Delta's site. Seems a well-known and very infamous web site here on /. is seeking to buy out a significant bit of Delta Airlines! With the airline industry in the ailing state it is, this unprecedented it may very well succeed!

Egad -- I shudder to think of what THEIR flights will be like, and the horrors that will happen onboard those planes!

• These forms

So let the various registrars control 2LDs under .com, referring to various business areas, and a business could register its name as a 3LD. Delta Airlines might be something like delta.airlines.com and Delta Faucet might be something like delta.plumbing.com.

One problem, of course, is that not everyone speaks English.

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Delta Airlines

Delta Airlines Waterstone Consulting
Axtive Software Corporation MetaMarkets.com, Inc
Cambridge Interactive NMG New Media Group
Epicentric, Inc. PostalWorks LLC
Flashline.com, Inc. TheWorksUSA.com
Klicman Incorporated TouchNet Information Systems, Inc.
Linnebank IT Tradiant
Brainbench Home Depot

Any items left in your Inbox or any other server-based mail folders are deleted if they are over 60 days old. Plus there is a "policy" that states that the emails are "no longer valid" after 60 days.

The reasoning behind this, I was told, was so that the company could not be sued or have other legal action taken against them for an email written more than two months ago.

Sure makes completing really large projects difficult, though. I can only remember things for 8 weeks!

I don't seriously see this happening in government though. Does the judge mean to apply this to Criminal cases? Civil ones?