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NetBSD 2.0 is faster than FreeBSD 5.3 on any UP system. Trolls on DragonFly? Please, try the FreeBSD lists. Not only you have classic assholes like Smorgreff but now have two resident trolls in the questions list: Anthony Atkielski and Ted Mittelstaedt.

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HawkinsOS, t0tal pwnag3

Yes, too bad trying to print on an USB printer panics NetBSD 2.0. What about ACL support in UFS2? Not there yet? Snapshots? DRI?

See, both OSs are find, and both still have bugs. Don't be an ass. I know you're Dag-Erling Smorgrav trying to pose as a NetBSD zealot. Dude, go to your local pub and have a couple of beers with that HawkinsOS imbecile.

Well, he is right. With arrogant assholes like Smørgav and Poul-Henning Kamp jumping on all the other BSD projects whenever they want to, it's no surprise that hostility still exists. They've managed to flame all the other BSDs over the years.

Now go back and fix your broken C++ code, pal.

Glass, total pwnag3

The DS could benefit from a few PDA functionality. In fact, it could become an n-gage killer if they ever add a GSM card.

Btw, 1P!

Fuck off, Smorgreff

They deserve it. How they dare warezing Apple products.

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Smorgreff

Yes, too bad it's made by assholes like Poul-Henning Kamp and Dag-Erling Smorgreff.

Use NetBSD instead, it's faster too.

Go away, smorgreff cocksucker.

Fuck off Poul, and fuck that Smorgreff asshole as well.

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HawkinsOS, enterprise ready today.

Your Apple example is so wrong.

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Erlang Smorgreff, FreeBSD developer.

FUCK OFF SMORGREFF!!!

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HawkinsOS, fucking Smorgrav in the ass since 2004.

Hey Smorgreff, suck phk's cock, will ya?

But it's true anyway :-)

FreeBSD 4.11 is obsolete code and 5.3 is an unstable piece of junk. NetBSD is also free from assholes like Poul-Henning and Durlong Smorgreff

No, instead you associate yourself with the assholes that run FreeBSD, namely Smorgrav and Poul-Henning.

FreeBSD 5.3 sucks. DragonFlyBSD now has a journaling filesystem, multithreaded TCP stack, LWKT kernel, message passing API and, the most important feature: is 100% free of assholes like Smorgrav and Poul-Henning Kamp.

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DragonFlyBSD, kicking those FreeBSD assholes in the ass since 2004.

HawkinsOS pwnz j00!

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Smorgreff

And who are you to decide what people should do in their spare time? The guy had a good time doing that, and the result looks damned good. Don't like it? Don't look at it. You make it sound like you had to pay for that or something.

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Smorgreff

I modded you down because it's against /. groupthink to badmouth GNU/Linux.

Turbo Smorgreff, vote for HawkinsOS!

No I don't. Everything I've said is true.

When that Hawkins bozo crossposted on several FreeBSD mailing lists des@ posted his flame accusing David Rhodus of posting that crap. This has happened several times. You might remember how Hiten Pandya was insulted with racist comments when he decided to help DragonFlyBSD, and he was told that he'd never get a src commit bit as long as he kept helping Matt.

Kip Macy was flamed to death by Marcel Molenaar (another extremely arrogant FreeBSD committer) and our friend Poul-Henning. So it's true, several FreeBSD developers have an agenda against DragonFly (off the top of my head Poul-Henning Kamp, Dag-Erling Smorgrav, Tom Rhodes, Marcel Molenaar and Bosko Milekic).

The fact that DF's SMP support surpassed FreeBSD's in no time can only makes things funnier. There's a lot of rotting code in FreeBSD, mainly due to overengineering and egos the size of Texas (Poul and some others).

Doug-Furlong Smorgreff

You're right. As I pointed out some time ago, my OS does indeed respect the (C) notices. All I got when I pointed out the abysmal SMP support in FreeBSD 5.3 was a lot of flamage. I've sold nearly 2,000 copies of my beta system so far, and was planning to give back the enhancements to the FreeBSD team. I won't, at least not until they remove assholes like Scott Long and DES from the team. phk? Who cares, he's the most annoying SOB I've ever seen.

Doug-Furlong Smorgreff

Excuse me?

Doug-Furlong Smorgreff

Who cares, you're wasting b/w to leech 2GiB of pure junk. It's even worse than FreeBSD 5.3

Doug-Furlong Smorgreff

Tom Rhodes seems to have a personal agenda to push against the DragonFlyBSD developers (specially David Rhodus). It would be nice if he and his friends DES and Bosko stopped doing that. The fantastic 4 (the former three + Poul-Henning Kamp) have alienated a lot of people already and deprived FreeBSD of valuable contributors.

Doug-Furlong Smorgreff

Sony runs two sets of QA control, one for US, one for Europe and Asia. The low quality stuff gets sold in the US because import taxes are huge for japanese manufacturers. Higher quality stuff is shipped to Europe and near asian countries. That's the price you have to pay for protecting your economy.

Meanwhile we europeans enjoy Sony's high quality gear.

Furlong Smoogroff

with the average lifespan being 7-10 days per unit.

Care you to elaborate on what's wrong with that? 10 days sounds ok to me.

Doug-Furlong Smoorgreff

I had no problem downloading it. Grab the torrent here

Furlong Smoorgroff

Slackware was a very nice distro in 1994, not now. And no, swaret doesn't cut it. If you want a good Linux distro use Gentoo. Or Debina if you don't mind using packages made in 1975.

Either way, both make a much better desktop than FreeBSD ever will.

Furlong Smoorgroff

The OpenBSD guys have done that. Using pf's passive fingerprinting I redirect all SMTP traffic coming from Windows machines to spamd, which is a fake MTA that sends replies at 1byte/sec and then gives a 450 Temporary Error. My spam rate dropped from 100/day to 3, which are then trapped by spamassassin. Makes e-mail usable again.

Erlang Smorgreff

but weren't Newton's ideas debunked by Einstein's theory of relativity?

Not really. Newton's classic mechanics work fine at the macroscopic level. Same for Galileo's relativity. The model doesn't work at the atomic level, and that's where the relativistic model enters. Both are true in a sense.

Also, it doesn't really matter if one model is wrong or not if it helps understanding how things work. Take for example Bohr's Hydrogen model. It wasn't totally correct, but a necessary step to develop a fully correct atomic model, and he received (and well deserved) the Nobel prize for his work and contributions.

Erlang Smorgreff

Tight code? Have you been living under a rock since 2000? With one or two exceptions (read: Farbrausch) the rest of the scene can't see past the 3D engine (with hardware requirements that make Doom3 look like made for low end) and unoptimized DX9 or, in some cases, OpenGL code. Long are gone the times when PC coders knew what they were doing and wrote tight assembler inner loops. If you want to look at tight and optimized code look at Doom3 and Far Cry. It doesn't get better than that. Or even better, download some Amiga and C64 demos.

There was recently a fast coding compo in a party and the C64 guys were typing the hex codes directly, not even using an assembler. Talk about tight code! :)

Erlang Smorgreff

The AC that replied to you wasn't me. I should be using my account but the last time I said something bad about FreeBSD my server was packeted for 8 hours straight, so I'll remain AC.

That is not helpfull indeed, yet its far from unique for the fbsd lists. It does go to show tho that for most people, the current versions do not cause many problems.

As you've been reading the lists for a while you'll remember what a fiasco 4.0-RELEASE was, with its incredibly broken ATA drivers. However, it was fixed very fast. We're already at 5.3, 5.3 fer Christs sake, and there are bugs in there that have been known for almost a year. The preemption bug cannot be fixed. It's a design flaw, but you'll never see jhb@ admit it.

Have been reading them for almost a decade, still reading them. THe amoung of problems for 5.x is not exceptional when compared to especially 3.x

3.0 brought in some radical changes in the VM subsystem, yes. That's why I tend to prefer NetBSD's development model. They're about to release 2.0 now, and it's darn clean code that actually works (save for a couple of minor bugs in the umass system, but nothing serious).

There is an article about beta 7 of FreeBSD 5.3 All YOU have to contribute to the discussion is how the FreeBSD team sucks, how their work sucks and that DragonflyBSD is THE THING.

No, read my posts again (and you were replying to another person, btw). I'm not saying DF is the shit. In fact, Matt had just to revert the stable brank to 3 weeks ago due to some serious show stoppers in the new VFS code.

What gets on my nerves though, is the hypocrisy that reigns in FreeBSD. This doesn't seem to affect the ports and doc teams, though. If you want to get a src commit bit you have to: a) show you're a good hacker. b) lick the ass of some committer. That b) part will let you in, and you'll be member of the gentlemen club. Shall you fail to follow groupthink or understand the different classes that live in FreeBSD land, you'll immediately lose your bit. There are first class committers, the elite, like Poul-Henning who can commit and back out without ever giving explanations to other people, then there are the mere mortals who get flamed if they ever make changes that break the build and introduce bugs.

Why do you think people like asmodai resigned? Because they didn't want to play that game anymore. This attitude is not present in any other big software project that I'm aware of. Ask Brett Glass how has he been treated all these years in return for his FreeBSD advocacy. These guys are a bunch of elitist assholes and that's the message I want out, so people don't mistake them for nice guys.

What you need to learn is a little respect for people and their work, regardless of if you agree with them.

I'll show respect to them the moment they start respecting others (Brett, Terry, Jeroen, Billh, etc)

Erlang Smorgreff

What the hell are you talking about? I haven't defamed any DF developer. Top notch FreeBSD developers? LOL. Ask anyone with a clue about phk's code quality. You might be surprised.

I consider GNU restrictive and proprietary and avoid it all the time. So you got that wrong as well.

Erlang Smorgreff

You're mixing two things here. First, Apple has to abide by the restrictive GPL, and they do. However, nowhere does the GPL say you have support the code you borrowed from. If the modified Apple code doesn't work on KDE, tough luck.

The main reason for choosing Gecko is purely practical. The KDE team can concentrate on making a better desktop and not reinventing the wheel. Mozilla has a lot of people working exclusively on the HTML engine, so it's a win-win situation. KHTML's design might be better but the result is that Gecko is the best html engine you can get today (open source or commercial).

Erlang Smorgreff

What the heck are you talking about? The KHTML code is GPL'd, and Apple has given back every change and enhancement they've made to it. Hell, they even give back a lot of code from their Darwin tree which goes to benefit FreeBSD, and that's BSDL'd code which they don't have to give back.

Check the KDE commit logs and you'll see plenty of Apple contributed changes. Now stop spreading FUD.

Erlang Smorgreff

From the announce message:

- There are known data corruption issues with gvinum. Fixes are being tested now.

Excuse me? That bug has been there since BETA1 and still not fixed? The funniest thing is that this bug is the fault of arrogant extraordinaire Poul-Henning Kamp, yet nobody dares to flame him for that.

Smorgreff

The data corruption bug on SMP systems is still there. My usb joypad still doesn't work. usb printer goes bananas from time to time. Still a no go. Thank $DEITY for NetBSD 2.0

Darling Smorgrav

Give the guys a chance. After that disaster that is the via 686 chipset I sweared to never buy any of their products. That is, until I tried a Nehemia based mini-itx. Man, those systems rock. Absolutely silent, the perfect PC for that tiny firewall/small server you keep running 7/24.

I'm actually quite excited about the new 64bit version. I don't need a 8GHz monster that needs a 250W fan to keep it from burning, but a nice, low power, silent system.

After Smorgrav

Here's a lucky man, my fiance on the other hand insists on using imperial units :/

Turbo Smorgreff

Did you read the .nfo? The password is here

Half Life 2 is has a lot of DX9 specific code. You won't be seeing a Linux or MacOS X version any time soon. Having said that, if the game lives up to its hype it might be worth keeping XP just for it.

Turbo Smorgreff

It's the cleanest because hackers concentrate on writing code instead of bikeshedding and pushing their personal agenda. Oh, and did I say it's free of assholes like Darling Smorgrav?

Now that would surprise me. I've never met anyone who didn't like tabbed browsing. The usual reaction after I introduce somebody to FireFox is : How could I browse the web before without tabs!

Turbo Smorgreff

Imbecile! If you're going to karma whore at least format the text!

Turbo Smorgreff

You're assuming that modern PCB boards and chips actually are built to *last* more than a couple of years.

Don't buy el-cheapo stuff and it will last. My pIII with a SuperMicro mo-bo has been running non-stop (read: 24/7, it's a server) since October 2000, zero problems.

Darling Smorgrav

They're intelligent enough to avoid the proprietary solutions, Linux being one of them. Remember that if you install GPL'd products you're donating $100/seat to Fidel Castro. The use, of course, *BSD.

Darling Smorgrav

Welcome to capitalism 101. If she doesn't like it, rumor has it that McD's is hiring.

Darling Smorgrav

The vote cgi spits the content with a mime type of octet stream. Very clever. Of course Microseft Exploter doesn't care because it doesn't even check the mime type. Firefox and Operan complain about the file and pop up a Save menu.

Darling Smorgrav

They drove Gravis out of the soundcard business with an inferior product and killed Aureal. Need more reasons?

Darling Smorgrav

Stop parrotting the Netcraft thing. FreeBSD is losing users because they insist on keeping assholes like Darling Smorgrav in their developers list.

Imbecile, nobody modified Blizzard's software. bnetd was an original piece of code made by people who had nothing to do with Blizzard's IP. Did you even bother to read the article? The bnetd guys asked Blizzard for information on how to enforce CD Key validation and were told to fsck off.

Darling Smorgav