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Detailed Changes In Star Wars DVD Release w/Pics
JSDopefish writes "DVD news site dvdanswers.com has written a pretty cool article on the changes in Star Wars: Episode IV. A list of changes is nothing new, but this version has detailed screenshots and comparisons between the 1977 original, the 1997 reissue, and the 2004 DVD version. He plans one for Empire Strikes Back & Return of the Jedi, but they're not out yet."
0-/.'ed in 0 comments... a new recrd?
I bet his busy sex life is keeping him from having the other two finished for us.
"The market alone cannot provide sufficient constraints on corporation's penchant to cause harm." -- Joel Bakan
These changes seem like they would be time consuming and quite expensive. Does the studio recover these costs in new sales of the updated DVD? Or, does Lucas do this partly for the art?
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.. the Mos Eisley cantina bartender shoots first, killing Greedo instantly and rendering Solo a parapalegic. Watch for the CGI wheelchair!
Trolling is a art,
What is this "Star Wars" you speak of? This article is so 1st and 2nd world centric. What about us 3rd world countries with no TV and internet access? Before you ask, the answer is "carrier pidgeons."
The Force wasn't with him, or his server.
I gues there won't be pictures afterall...
All indicators show that the human race is selectively breeding itself for stupidity.
I've been waiting for something this, i am currently downloading the DVD versions of this classic.
Being a long time SW fan ai can't wait to see the changes made for the better/worse.
The link in the story seems to be dead for me already...but here is another one that I was reading a few weeks ago, similar content.
a nges.html
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviews3/starwarsch
Slashdot posts with title containing "w/Pics" scare the bejesus out of me.
the site was /.'d in less than 2 minutes...
mirror anyone?
"You've never heard of the DVD news site dvdanswers.com, its the site that got Slashdotted in under 12 parsects."
and he said, " Mummy will the pictures look as old as you cos Star Wars is REALLY old?" Geeeez kiddo thanks I'm not even 30 yet. Maybe his time perception is as warped as Lucas will need to be to fit everything thats missing into Episode 3!
It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
that Harry Potter fans are this obsessed. Is that a muggle in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
If I wrote something witty, you would say I stole it from somewhere.
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"TK-421, why aren't you at your post?"
In the new version, Alderaan shoots first.
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
1. Greedo now strangles a baby, sodomizes an Ewok, and then shoots at Han. First.
2. Several black stormtroopers added for racial balance.
3. Millineum Falcon is now totally riced
I'm sure there are others...
Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball(TM)
I'm busy downloading the Halo 2 gold leaked torrent
But it's the French version. Spoiler: Master Chief surrenders to the Covenant.
Sorry for a long rant... It will probably be modded down in no time, just because it is not a trendy thing to say here, but what the hell: I boycotted Star Wars DVD Release -- for an entire week.
Why? What's to boycott? Isn't "Star Wars" good old fashioned sci-fi? Harmless fun? Some people call it "eye candy" -- a chance to drop back into childhood and punt your adult cares away for two hours, dwelling in a lavish universe where good and evil are vividly drawn, without all the inconvenient counterpoint distinctions that clutter daily life.
Got a problem? Cleave it with a light saber! Wouldn't you love -- just once in your life -- to dive a fast little ship into your worst enemy's stronghold and set off a chain reaction, blowing up the whole megillah from within its rotten core while you streak away to safety at the speed of light? (It's such a nifty notion that it happens in three out of four "Star Wars" flicks.)
One of the problems with so-called light entertainment today is that somehow, amid all the gaudy special effects, people tend to lose track of simple things, like story and meaning. They stop noticing the moral lessons the director is trying to push. Yet these things matter.
By now it's grown clear that George Lucas has an agenda, one that he takes very seriously. After four "Star Wars" films, alarm bells should have gone off, even among those who don't look for morals in movies. When the chief feature distinguishing "good" from "evil" is how pretty the characters are, it's a clue that maybe the whole saga deserves a second look.
Just what bill of goods are we being sold, between the frames?
- Elites have an inherent right to arbitrary rule; common citizens needn't be consulted. They may only choose which elite to follow.
- "Good" elites should act on their subjective whims, without evidence, argument or accountability.
- Any amount of sin can be forgiven if you are important enough.
- True leaders are born. It's genetic. The right to rule is inherited.
- Justified human emotions can turn a good person evil.
That is just the beginning of a long list of "moral" lessons relentlessly pushed by "Star Wars." Lessons that starkly differentiate this saga from others that seem superficially similar, like "Star Trek." (We'll take a much closer look at some stark divergences between these two sci-fi universes below.)
Above all, I never cared for the whole Nietzschian Übermensch thing: the notion -- pervading a great many myths and legends -- that a good yarn has to be about demigods who are bigger, badder and better than normal folk by several orders of magnitude. It's an ancient storytelling tradition based on abiding contempt for the masses -- one that I find odious in the works of A.E. Van Vogt, E.E. Smith, L. Ron Hubbard and wherever you witness slanlike super-beings deciding the fate of billions without ever pausing to consider their wishes.
Wow, you say. If I feel that strongly about this, why just a week-long boycott? Why see the latest "Star Wars" film at all?
Because I am forced to admit that demigod tales resonate deeply in the human heart.
In "The Hero With a Thousand Faces," Joseph Campbell showed how a particular, rhythmic storytelling technique was used in almost every ancient and pre-modern culture, depicting protagonists and antagonists with certain consistent motives and character traits, a pattern that transcended boundaries of language and culture. In these classic tales, the hero begins reluctant, yet signs and portents foretell his pre-ordained greatness. He receives dire warnings and sage wisdom from a mentor, acquires quirky-but-faithful companions, faces a series of steepening crises, explores the pit of his own fears and emerges triumphant to bring some boon/talisman/victory home to his admiring tribe/people/nation.
By offering valuable insights into this revered storytelling tradition, Joseph Campbell did indeed shed light on common spiritual traits that seem shared by all human bein
He managed to get screenshots of the 1977 release, since the one that ended up on video all those years ago wasn't the same as what I saw 50 times in the theatre. I know C3P0 had a tendency to babble, but he did have some great lines that got nixed. Unlike AOTC.
Unless of course, this was something recorded on Beta off of OnTV...go figure...oh, or Laserdisc.
So when is the Hawkeye movie coming out?
before it's lock in the vault and will never be released again. (until it come out on the blue-ray disc another few years later.)
He found a few more things he missed...after he finishes updating the page, he's going to make another page detailing the differences between the first page he released and the second.
Honestly, I think that somewhere in George Lucas' fragmented mind, motivation is building to remake Episodes IV-VI. Notwithstanding that this is the worst thing that could happen to the series, I think we could expect some "great" innovations, like Jerry Springer making a cameo to help out with the Skywalker family issues.
It appears that the coloring changes that are pointed out between the special edition and the DVD edition of Star Wars have more to do with the two types of media then having been color corrected.
We can. It's just that we're not going to.
HTH
They changed the voice of the Emperor (when communicating with Vader) to be consistent with the actor who played him in ROTJ. They also changed the lines so that the less-observant could understand the story more easily. It was a bit disappointing.
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I thought I was a star wars fan till I found slashdot, now I realise I just thought they were entertaining movies. Its been so long since I have see the originals I doubt I would actually notice the changes or even be aware of them if I had not been forewarned.
Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
What truth?
There is no dupe
The '77 Star Wars just did it for me. I can't stand artist who can't let go of their work ... imagine Picasso rushing into the museeum to add little bits here and there just because ...
Make new a better movies Mr. Lucas! You have the money and technology now.
For the upcoming Blu-Ray release of the trilogy I hear Lucas is planning a shower scene with Obi-wan and a bantha. "Ol' Ben gets lonely, then desperate" Pre-order now!
One of the funniest changes couldn't really be seen in a screenshot. At the end of Return of the Jedi, the second death star is destroyed, and all the worlds rejoice in their freedom from the evil empire. We see scenes from Corusant, Endor, and a new shot of Naboo. With subtitles turned on, all the people of Naboo are in the streets partying, and the subtitles say "Weesa free!"
I laughed my assa offa!
This actually shows that Slashdot is losing it's edge. This story has been covered so many places before slashdot that it was /.'d before appearing here.
/.-effect is hugely overestimated.
There have been many other cases like this, so Slashdot's effort in
I seem to have been misled when I saw the Star Wars Trilogy: DVD Box Set in every major store in the world. Apparently Trilogy no longer means 3 =/
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best comment of the day :)
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Yes but the majority of us are :)
"The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot remain in the cradle forever..."
Jar-Jar : "Me no lika whatchoo sayin"
Han Solo: BLAM!
And after Han shoots him, Obi-Wan hacks him into little bits with a lightsaber.
perhaps a google cache or something that isnt already /.ed?
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If this was CNN reporting an indepth expose on the Star Wars DVD changes, a comment like the parent would be valid. The fact that this is Slashdot, and people have come here for just this sort of news negates your hick-town no brain crap old time flamebait and makes you look like a no neck mouth breathing spud.
Get this: go to a news site for news. Turd.
Especially when they also say "Star Wars" and "DVD".
Might just as well put up a link that says "Pics of Natalie Portman in Hot Grits" and get it over with.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Now as to other edits, when you think about it, the cost of adding CG effects to some scenes is miniscule compaired to digitally re-mastering the movie and soundtracks. Especially when you are re-mastering to HD resolution (so Lucas doesn't have to do it again in 3 years when HD TV's and HD DVD/Video formats are the norm). You already have to comb thru each scene when re-mastering, so taking the extra time to add in some CG effects doesn't take very long especially when you own "Industrial Light and Magic"...
We were all warned a long time ago that MS products sucked, remember the Magic 8 Ball said, "Outlook not so good"
Yeah, in the American version, the Master Cheif invades the Covenant on a crappy excuse, rapes and abuses the prisoners, moves in contractors to fill their pockets and then does fuck all to either stop the war or police the situation.
Who cares, you're wasting b/w to leech 2GiB of pure junk. It's even worse than FreeBSD 5.3
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But in 1977, there was no movie ratings, but now we do have them.
ummm... the ratings system was introduced in November 1, 1968. That's 9 years before Star Wars came out. At the time of Star Wars, however, there was no PG-13. Perhaps that is what you are thinking of.
...is insignificant next to the power of a Slashdotting.
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/.'d to death...
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People die in Sudan
People die in every country.
mass graves are discovered in Iraq with toddlers clutching toys
When you say "graves" I assume you're talking about people who were previously killed, not new deaths? This would be one of the reasons why the US wanted Saddam out. Unfortunately, our way-back machine isn't working at the moment, so we can't stop Saddam from doing what he already did. But we have managed to stop him from continuing to do these things. Now, perhaps we've just replaced one murderous regime with another... only time will tell.
a final Presidential debate has ended in a draw
Yawn. I'm sorry, were you saying something? I was too busy watching a glowing box in my living room which is going to tell everyone how to vote. I can only hope Kerry's commercials are shinier and prettier with more catchy jingles.
and there is a real chance of more conflict involving North Korea.
I swore to myself I would never utter these words on Slashdot... but "how is this news"?
But, hey, at least we have the detailed changes in Star Wars between 1997 and 2004.
Please direct your attention to the top left image in your browser and repeat after me, "News for Nerds." By all means, feel free to start a "News For Social Activists" site. I would gladly be one of many people here who would be interested in the discussions that would take place there.
But in 1977, there was no movie ratings, but now we do have them. Because of this, if Han still did shoot first, the movie would have been rated R for "graphic violence and adult content" (murder). But with having Han shot at, it becomes clear self defence and is just "graphic violence".
What? The original Star Wars was rated PG, under the current system which started in 1968.
-mkb
Looks like google has cached the page for us.
parent's joke originally posted here
please mod down, he is not funny this time.
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:zYBx505IplgJ: www.dvdanswers.com/index.php%3Fr%3D0%26s%3D8%26c%3 D28+&hl=en
After Uncle Olin buys the red droid and it pops a cork on the way to the barn, C3PO suggests RDD2. Cut to a side shot of R2D2 and you see the red droid still lined up for sale behind him in the background.
The current movie rating system used by the MPAA was first introduced in 1968. Episode IV has always been rated PG.
Just FYI.
-r
Just because something is free does not mean you have to take it.
I've been thinking.. and this is the 5th instance of this.. why can't Slashdot auto-Coralize the links that they use in the articles?
If $ARTICLE_SUMMARY has a URL in it, split the domain off, append .nyud.net:8090 to it, and then post it publically. Thats exactly what the NYU Distribution Network was designed for.
In this case, this would be:
http://www.dvdanswers.com.nyud.net:8090/index.php? r=0&s=8&c=28
I think if I put up a personal web page that slashdotters might think is cool, I might block all requests referred by slashdot, just to keep the hardware from catching on fire. :)
I do like *some* of the new stuff. The X-Wing scene in IV when they are on their way to attack the death star is nice. Many other shots in space have been cleaned up from the original so you don't see boxes around ships against the stars. But they could cut out just a few annoying, non-plot scenes and I would be very happy....
Great ideas often receive violent opposition from mediocre minds. - Albert Einstein
Man you Frenchies are touchy. :)
Fellow Nerds/Geeks/Dweebs/Poser Geeks.... Stop buying this shlock! There is no need to buy DVD collections over and over.
Has the DVD version been reworked that much to look sharper? It's seems normal that a DVD ripped version be sharper than an analog grab performed on som VHS tape... Am I missing something here?
You are apparently not a fan of Douglas Adams.
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In ANH, re-released versions, jabba has this pained expression on his face, makes him look like a whiny bitch. At least the new ones he looks like he's a mafia boss now. You can see the comparison at the previously linked site:
a nges.html
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviews3/starwarsch
about 2/3rds the way down the page.. Jabba actually looks like jabba now. =)
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and TV was still in black and white, and stereophonic recordings hadn't been invented yet, movies had just recently become "talkies", and there was no FM radio. Those of us who were alive at the time and think we remember differently are simply mistaken.
http://alternatives.rzero.com/
I believe most nerds have already googled for the cache but here it is.
Near the end of Empire Strikes Back, where the Millenium Falcon is escaping from the Cloud City.. there's actually one shot of them being pursued by tie fighters where the original matted boxes were still around the tie fighters AND it wasn't fixed on this digital version EITHER!
I wonder how they missed that one?
So to any naysayers... there is at least one shot that did not get updated from 1977 and is still the original crappy shot. So... enjoy! :)
--If something I said could be taken two ways, and one of those ways made you cry, then I meant the other way.
The frenchies owned the US in every way.
Try search for "star wars definitive original" on the emule/edonkey network.
... but maybe downloading them is easier and non of the "don't buy the new version DVD" options make Lucas, of this dimension, any money, anyway)
Just might be the versions you are looking for.
Is downloading something that you can't get any other way bad? Not in my world. At least not in this case.
(yeah, you could hunt down the original LD versions and buy a laser disc player, or build a machine that will take you to a parallel dimension where Lucas didn't lose his mind and buy the new not fubared DVDs
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Okay, you need to get of the damn internet and go out and do something about it. Sell all of you possesions and move to the Sudan and save people. Then come back and complain.
Not French, you American fukknutt, EUROPEAN, and there are a shitload more of us than there are of you.
I hate to say it, but even though it is a good start to all of the changes that have been made over the years, it is by no means complete. Hell the audio changes alone deserve their own site.
Not to mention the audio and possibly other changes that were made for the pre-SE THX remastered editions...
Now if it'd just come back online...upgrading? Indeed!
It's not either/or, genius. Why don't you go waste CNN's time instead?
Apparently there is something that went wrong with the mixing, more about it found here.
Ofcourse Lucas is quoted as saying:
We are always impressed with how closely fans listen to the many different sound mixes we have made for the Star Wars movies over the years. It is flattering to know that, indeed, the audience is listening. Consequently, each mix comes out differently and any changes that you hear on the all-new Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround EX tracks on the Star Wars Trilogy DVD set are deliberate creative decisions. We can confirm that there are no technical glitches as reported.
There actually was a decent "original" widescreen version available on VHS a while back. Came in a big blue box with a hologram on the front. I believe these are identical content-wise to the LD editions.... Pre SE, Pre THX remaster...
FYI.
Davey, repeat afer me, "Star Wars is not real. Darth Vader is not Hitler."
The one thing that bugs me the most about the digital enhancements to Episode IV is the Alderaan and Death Star explosions. That damn ring effect bugs me to no end. If they wanted to show a more realisitic effect, they should have shown both the planet and Death Star fracturing along natural weak points in the structure and whole chunks of them being blown away from the exploding mass.
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Actually, the whole world was black and white back then. Everything was colorized in the early 80s. Of course, old TV shows and movies are still B&W; they're color pictures of the black and white world.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
props to Bill Waterson
"frenchies were right"...man, I can't even get my brain around that concept.
Absolutely and totally incorrect. In fact, if anything, there's been speculation that the shot of the burning bodies of Luke's aunt and uncle was added to film specifically to avoid receiving a G rating, which it was felt would hurt the movie at the box office.
Are you talking about Lucas or Bush ?
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Thanks god, you are the bestest God Ever.
George?
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It's like the whole Star Wars issue won't stay down even though everyone tells it to stay down after a good beating!
My question is after all this, do the DVD box sets come with Version numbers written in fine print? Like Version 0.1, V 0.25, V 0.31 etc etc... Will they ever come out with Version 1.0? Full version!?!?!
Live forever, or die trying.
According to one of the DVD extra features, there were multiple remixes of the audio for the original feature. They tried to get theaters to upgrade to THX Audio, but weren't entirely successful - some theaters were in plain stereo, and many were just plain monaural.
Thus, they had to redo the audio track several times, and some small things were changed a bit from one version to the next. So it's quite possible that you couldn't hear a line or a sound effect as well in the version that went to laser disk as in the version that played at whatever theater you went to 50 times.
On the other hand, maybe you just imagined it. Can you give an example of a specific C3PO line you think was dropped?
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A couple of years ago I was in Morocco. Not quite Third World, yet i was with a large group of 17-22 year olds and none had heard of Star Wars.
The looks we got whilst trying to demonstrate light sabres were priceless.
Was that they changed the actor for ANAKIN SKYWALER at the end of ROTJ (you know, when he appears with Obi-Wan and Yoda as Jedi-ghosts.. err.. ghost isn't the right word)
Probably to make it appear as if Haydn Christianson could actually transform into the Anakin at the end of ROTJ (still unconfirmed if it actually IS Christianson in ROTJ..)
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At least this link is working....for now...
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In the fight scene between Vader and Luke in the Carbonite Chamber, after Luke turns of his saber and jumps off the platform to follow Vader he lands on a trampoline (since the set platform was ~10 ft high) and when he rebounds his head reappears in the shot. Surprisingly Lucas missed editing out Luke's head as he bounces back into frame.
I find it hard to believe Lucas didn't have a check list of fixes for the re-remastering; both personal, and culled from the endless fan forums that at this point have probably documented every mistake there is.
Oversight? Or perhaps a little piece of nostalgia left in there on purpose?
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Can you give an example of a specific C3PO line you think was dropped?
I've had enough of you, you *@$#% trash can on wheels! Go *&@#$ your #$%^$# %$*@$% and your #^%&*@$! Protocol the maker's &$#*!
Just for the record, David Brin is a well known American author of science fiction. He is the winner of both the Hugo and Nebula Awards and has been both a NASA consultant and a physics professor, known for his sharp criticisms of not only George Lucas and Star Wars, but science fiction at large. I personally find the above comment the most Insightful text about Star Wars I have ever read on Slashdot, certainly more worth reading than every +5 post in this story combined. I honestly think that moderating it as Troll is insulting and we can really do better than that. Is it Offtopic? It is more on-topic than anything, as it's the deepest and most interesting analysis of Star Wars I have ever read, which all of the intelligent answers seem to prove. Please keep that in mind while moderating. Thank you.
Thats exactly what the NYU Distribution Network was designed for.
Yes, it seems to have accomplished the goal quite well - it's now EXACTLY as slashdotted as the original. Now that's what I call a cache!
You sure Slashdot should post EVERY story through it?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Because of this, if Han still did shoot first, the movie would have been rated R for "graphic violence and adult content" (murder). The flaw in this is that there is nothing that states "This movie MUST get a R rating because such and such conditions were met". The MPAA has a board that watched the movie and determines what they think the rating should be. That's how movies like Clerks (which origionally got an NC-17 rating) was able to get dropped down to an R rating with absoutly no cuts to the movie, Kevin Smith actually talked them into dropping the rating without having to make cuts for that reason. Besides the other flaws in your logic which others have pointed out already, the 'Greedo shoots first' change was not made because of any ratings issues.
The brand new Gungans Gone Wild... *shudder*.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
C3PO line you think was dropped?
On the regular VHS version that I have, when R2 pulls up the directions that obiwan will take to the tractor beam thing and the camera zooms to the video screen, C3PO explains what obiwan has to do. "the beam is powered by these three things, and if you take out one the beam will be disabled." But in the widescreen VHS version, that line isn't present.
Not a C3PO line, but in the scene where Adm Tark is told that there is a security alert in the detention area, Darth Vader is there and he says a couple of lines, but then stops talking and continues shaking his finger. It's clear there was more dialog there. This is easily explained though by the fact that all of vader's lines were dubbed.
Especially when you are re-mastering to HD resolution (so Lucas doesn't have to do it again in 3 years when HD TV's and HD DVD/Video formats are the norm).
Make no mistake, this is exacly why he decided to release these movies on DVD now - we are nearing the end of a cycle and he was afraid of missing another round of sales. Laser Disc, VHS, LD SE, VHS SE, Box Set, DVD standard, DVD HD. If he had released them closer to the advent of DVD HD, everyone would have said, "eh, I'll just wait until the hi def version comes out." Don't believe his bullshit song & dance about piracy or some such nonsense. He had to rush to get them out so the hi def version seems way off in the distance, and nobody wants to wait.
I learned in film classes in college twenty years ago that movies can often be mutable. It is totally within the right of the film-maker to do this. Films are often changed before being released. Soviet Film makers used to make it easy to cut parts out of their films. A movie about Lenin and Stalin turned into a movie just about Lenin after Stalin was dead. What Lucas is doing is his deal. Why are some posters so hateful towards him?
1. On the DVD when the storm troopers come rushing into the control room that C-3P0 and R2-D2 are hiding in, one hits his head on the door as its rising and falls down. This was always a little blooper that made it in. Now there is a lound *thunk* sound, which had me rolling.
2. No one ever seems to complain about it, but i think the worst change made to the trilogy is in RotJ, Jabba's Palace, the singing and dancing scene. It was fine as it was, but the new song and dance routine with the cgi-creatures and backup singers makes me want to retch.
"They're butchering the classics. John Williams must be rolling over in his grave!"
in bed.
I agree that Lucas is part of the mainline Movie industry that many /. folk are at war with.
But how much time do you need to spend documenting what you see as his flaws?
Will your documenting his flaws show up on a list of your flaws?
I love his movies because they are easy and fun.
I can love the movies and then question his business ethics.
But the level of detail that you present for someone that you probably don't even know makes me wonder if you do the same kind of brutal analysis of yourself?
I would love to see that post.
I'm waiting for the interactive version, with a customize menu for every option of every changed scene.
Someone ripped all 3 movies from laserdisc and has them in VOB files so you can burn them to dvd.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
You know, normally I pay for my movies. I spent good money on the movies I like..."The Big Lebowski". The entire B5 series. "Bladerunner". A number of others. I've probablygt 40-50 DVDs all told. I also bought the original series on VHS way back when.
I wanted "Star Wars" on DVD. But I don't want the "fixed" crap. I want the "Star Wars" I fell in love with. I'd pay good money for it even though I've already paid Lucas once for the original version on tape and once (to my regret) for the "Special Edition" on DVD.
But Lucas won't sell it to him. So screw 'em. I pulled it off of bittorrent and made my own DVDs of the first three films. I'm not going to pay the bastard for further fucked up versions.
The cake is a pie
This reminds me of Shatner's "Get a life" skit on SNL. And yet, I was strangely attracted to read the article.
"This isn't a study in computer science, its a study in human behavior"
The Frenchies also had a vested interest in keeping the U.S out of Iraq. High-level officials close to Chirac are accused of accepting oil vouchers from Saddam (i.e. stealing from oil-for-food).
We are free to pass.
-jls
Techno-pagan
And I can't believe he didn't mention the changes to the musical score.
In some of the most dramatic moments (such as the Death Star run), the music is ramped down so it's barely audiable, in favour of the sound effects. This is due to the sound effect guy doing the final mix.
Also, all the music in ANH has the rear channels swapped. It's fine in ESB and ROTJ, but it's definitely wrong in ANH. Not a problem unless you're listening to it on your 5/7.1 system with some sense of where the instruments are on the sound stage. Then it just gives you a headache. There's no point in just swapping your rear channels over, since then all your sound effects are the wrong way round.
The worst thing is that although the channels are clearly wrong, Lucasfilm have stated this is a "deliberate creative decision".
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hot damn! even the SW gangsta rap has a special edition out!
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I've seen various "other things put in Star Wars" spoofs, but never Star Wars in Forrest Gump! "Run, Jar-Jar, run!!!"
I've read most of your (David Brin's) books, and I respect the heck out of you, sir, but you missed a setp in there:
Fear leads to anger, anger leades to hatred. It's not that anger, in and of itself, is evil, but that unchecked it can lead to hate; and hatred does indeed turn young, disillusioned people toward evil. It's hatred that defined most nazi actions and defines neo-nazis, klansmen, suicide bombers, etc. today. When otherwise good, empassioned people begin to hate bad thing often do follow.
(I whish I had mod points today as someone already said almost this same thing and if I could mod it up instead of taking my own stab at it there's a better chance of someone seing it... oh well.)
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It's highly unlikely that 10 years after the fact, they'd be concerned about a backwards step in the ratings. To put it bluntly, he isn't concerned about this.
More likely than not, he is pushing the series slightly G-ward to attract a marginally larger audience. After all, the tail wags the dog in the movie industry. Huge films (such as the prequels, in theory) might take in 2-300 million in gross receipts. Compare this to the estimated [b]2 billion dollars[/b] of merchandising rights Lucas sold for the first prequel alone.
And who buys all those lil' dollies, sorry, action figures? Children (via parents.)
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I'm disturbed to admit it, but finally an issue I'm old enough to see through all the youngster memes floating around.
Star Wars was definitely PG at the time. He must be thinking of PG-13. More accurately, he may be thinking ratings in general, with meme alteration from "introduction of PG-13" to introduction of PG/ratings via sloppy word of mouth or typing.
PG-13 was introduced in response to two films: Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, and one one other that slips my mind at the moment.
Of course, movies like Old Yeller and Bambi arguably are so psychologically traumatic for lil' kids they should get that rating, too. I remember watching Wizard of Oz and being absolutely out of my gourd with terror if the Tin Woodsman would chop thru the door and rescue Dorothy at the time. Adults forget these experiences can be traumatic.
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Uhm... Hello? It was *signed* with 'David Brin' name with the *exact same* link you have posted? If your post is not -1, Redundant then I seriously don't know what is... Moderators: please do your duty.
Not to mention the changes in color saturation and resolution he notes have more to do with the screenhots of the earlier versions being pulled (presumably) from Laserdisc and VHS, and the screenhots of the newest version being pulled from DVD, and less to do with Lowry's restoration.
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Sometimes with analogies there is a tendance to go overboard. I understand that. But, Honestly even you must understand that there is a huge difference between the evils of hittler and the stupidity of bush. I agree 100% with the point you are trying to get accross, but thats such a bad "example".
... ( Oh, the irony)
Something tells me you're angry with Bush. And we all know where that leads
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
The other film was Splash.
Which is not a problem since our busy sex lifes would keep us from watching them anyway.
Am I right?
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
All this jokes about having a sex life got boring about 4 years ago.
What?! A sex life got boring about 4 years ago?! Why didn't you tell us earlier?! Why God damn it!!!
You nailed the C3PO stuff I was talking about. Thanks!
So when is the Hawkeye movie coming out?
If that is traumatic, then trauma is good for you. It teaches you to deal with your fears, if you don't learn to deal with your fear, you will just grow up and become Geoge W. Bush.
While Captain Solo is known to make boastful claims that seem to defy the basic laws of space-time physics, in this particular case, an understanding of the mechanics of the Kessel Run illuminates this statistic.
The Kessel Run is a contest of speed and endurance for smugglers. Those who undertake it must deliver specified cargos (usually illicit in nature) to a series of divergently moving transport vessels. The smuggler must deliver the cargo before the transports wander out of the free trade lanes into restricted Imperial space.
Solo's record is impressive, since the transport vessels covered less than 12 parsecs of distance during his hurried run between them, a testament to his piloting and the speed of the Millennium Falcon.
There is more than one way to smuggle spice out of Kessel. According to one tale, Solo left out the middleman and ferried the stolen goods himself, skirting dangerously close to the Maw Cluster, a baffling congregation of black holes. In doing so, he shortened the distance for the run, achieving an impressive record of under 12 parsecs.
Using either methodology allows Solo's claim to stand, but there are many, including the Jedi Obi-Wan Kenobi, who felt that the Corellian captain was just blowing hot air.
You'll remember the differences in Return of the Jedi. In the original, theatrical version, the scene at Jabba's Palace didn't make me wince and want to tear my ears off.
The new version is physically painful to watch; I usually have to fast forward through that terrible musical number with the CGI. WTF was Lucas thinking?
Did they finally eliminate the crawling "slug" on the Emperor's face? It was supposedly removed in the Special Edition release, but it wasn't; it was simply changed to a shade of gray.
Greedo didn't shoot first...in the new version he's /.ed
1. The 3P0 'Tractor beam' lines were not in the movie until much later. My pre-THX, pre-SE widescreen VHS version does not have it in there. If you listen carefully it doesn't have the same audio characteristics as the line before it, it sounds "added." Presumably it was added to explain what they were looking for and what Obiwan was doing.
2. The Vader "hand waving" has always been there and there was never any missing dialog, at least none that's ever been released.
Blech. Signatures.
Well, you do sound very clever, but I always thought Star Wars was set a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Maybe a parsec means something totally different. Just my idea anyway. Gotta think out site the box ;)
But that's what we're talking about. The difference between the actual THEATRICAL release and the VHS/Beta/LD (what ever!) versions out there now. Those 3P0 lines were in the movie I saw at a drive in 1977, but not in any pre-THX versions.
So when is the Hawkeye movie coming out?
Wow! You are a genius! How did you find it out? Following the link in the original post maybe? Oh, please... People... Why such a bulshit is not moderated down as -1 Redundant, that I might understand as not worth wasting mod points, but why the hell is repeating link from the original post, the only link, moderated up as Informative is just beyond me. Moderators? Anyone?
Gremlins.
"He plans one for Empire Strikes Back & Return of the Jedi, but they're not out yet."
;)
However, he doesn't plan on getting a life anytime soon
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This is off-topic: I've followed your link to iUniverse (quite frankly I thought that it was a link to some book by David Brin, posted as a joke). I'm starting to write a book which I am going to self-publish using one of those print-on-demand services. It's a lot of time but I want to be up to date with different options. So far I was considering mostly Lulu or CafePress. Lately I've found also Zazzle which seems nice for printing artwork but there are no books yet. Generally instead of looking for those services myself I just save links to those which I find others using. Could you please tell me why would you personally suggest iUniverse instead of Lulu or CafePress, for both the cheapest options possible as well as standard books with ISBN and everything? Have you used them yourself? Thanks.
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
Screw the re-re-re-re-re-re-release. I want the original.
Why did they touch it? Do they think we don't know the film was aired in 1977?
I, personally, know. And I want to see that, nothing more.
Watching A New Hope with 2004 fancy special effects would be like watching Clerks with color and good acting. I mean, seriously, some things shouldn't be changed.
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Contrary to what the other poster said, the other film was another Spielberg film, Gremlins. The reason these two movies were big deals is because they were marketed to kids in many of the previews. For the Temple of Doom, previews featured Indy running around looking cool. Then the kids got to the movie with their parents and saw a film with people eating insects, sexual content (no surprise, that, but Indy does feel up a statue), and the occult ritual with the heart-ripping stuff. My brother and I were kids at the time, and he was scared to death of that movie based on what his friends were telling him.
Gremlins was marketed to kids as being a film with this cute and furry character, and if you do a certain three things to him, trouble happens. But they didn't even give us a hint what the trouble was. So parents packed up their kdis and took them Gremlins, only to find nasty looking green monsters getting cooked in microwaves and doing all sorts of wicked deeds.
PG-13 came about as a suggestion from Spielberg himself, and soon after that moviemakers started targetting PG-13 as their rating rather than PG. Nowadays, PG and G mean almost the same thing, except that G is usually animated while PG is usually live action.
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I MUST HAVE MISSED THAT PART WHEN I READ THE ARTICLE!
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Is that George Lucas has had kids. And grandkids, as I understand it.
And he figures that it's not right for the United States to kill Towelheads, even though they killed us first.
And it's not right for the Chinese rice-eaters to hate the Japanese rice-eaters, even thought the Japs used some Chinks for live-bayonnet practice back in the early 40's.
I can sympathize with his position. I wouldn't want my children to be war mongers. But if someone was pointing a gun (read: firearm, by the war-mongers/Marines/moderates) at my child, I would teach him/her to shoot first.
It's wrong to point the weapon in the first place. Don't draw the weapon; don't point the weapon. Worked that way in the Cuban Missile Crisis, and still works that way today. Point but don't draw. Draw, but don't point.
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No one has shown a screen shot of the original title scroll from 1977, before it was subtitled "Episode IV" after TESB was released. I know there were a few bootleg copies of Star Wars floating around even way back then...anyone? Bueller?
"A New Hope" is still probably the lamest title Lucas has come up with.
No, it was Gremlins.
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David,
If this is what you think of Star Wars, I'd like to hear what you think of "The Matrix"...
I read Postman a long time ago so my memory of it kind of faded, but didn't the postman succeed in defeating the supervillain general where all other (normal) people failed, because the postman himself, has also been one of the few "genetically reinforced", thus "chosen" in a sense ? Or am I thinking of a different book ?
He says that restoration helped even the new scenes, the ones shot for the special edition. I don't think so. Those were shot with modern aids. VHS just made them look shitty.
C3PO: The Tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations. A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave.
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Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage
So the iUniverse seems to be somewhat comparable with Lulu. Actually, I know Lulu the best because when I first saw a link to someone's book it was the only such service I knew about, CafePress didn't have books back then, so I've read everything I could on their website. Besides different formats of the book itself (now I see that there are also full-color books available--maybe I should publish a photo album before a book then?--seriously, I feel like a kid in a candy store) there are three options: one can publish a book for free with no ISBN, pay for assigning an ISBN with scannable barcode, or pay more to get the book entered into Ingram's database (so Amazon, Barnes and Noble and even off-line bookstores can easily sell it). Thanks, I'll save your link for later when I have my book ready to choose the best publisher. Well, why even choose? I can use every publisher at the same time. There are just too many possibilities to get anything done...
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
Unfortunate that we will have to wait until Lucas dies. Inevitably the AFI will eventually sponser some effort to "restore" the original versions then.
I have no intention to buy the new versions as long as my originals are intact.
I loved your Star Wars films comparison, it's nice to have a definitive list. I'm looking forward to seeing the differences in episodes V and VI.
However, every time you refer to computer graphics (CG) as CGI, I cringe. CGI stands for Common Gateway Interface and is a way of running scripts on web servers. It has nothing to do with Computer Graphics. Please, for my sanity and others, use CG and not CGI when referring to Computer Graphics.
The episode number and subtitle "A New Hope" did not originally appear in the film's opening crawl. These were added to the April 10, 1981 re-release to be consistent with those seen in Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
Sheesh.
George W. Bush himself is the inheritor of Adolf Hitler's fascism- through a lot of twists and turns.
...and I was with you up until you made that retarded, overblown remark. At what point liberals decided to become hyperbolic, paranoid manics, I'll never know.
There is no similarity at all between ADOLF HITLER and Bush. Any vague comparisons you draw could be made to absolutely any other leader in history--including Bill Clinton. Comparing someone to Hitler is an intellectual fallback, done by the lazy who simply want to emotively bash someone (without realizing how out-of-touch it makes them look). Take that gutter crap back to the groupthinkers at MoveOn.org. In fact, people like you are the reason the Republicans have somehow gotten more moderates than the Democrats--who instead have a screaming Al Gore.
It is people adrift in a universe, full of hope and travails.
Star Wars is the story read to children in Star Trek.