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Having a wifi in my car sounds interesting. But I cannot imagine you'd keep a good connection while driving around. Is anyone aware of a solution of getting a shoutcast stream to play in a car that doesn't cost an arm and a leg? Their is simply no industrial / ebm / futurepop music on the air in the US, not even satellite radio carries any (last I checked, please tell me if anyone knows if that has changed), I just want to be able to listen to Digital Gunfire in my car. I keep asking Santa to bring me this tech, but each year its just more coal.

So.. damned if you do, damned if you don't. Do you want your screwing from one giant dildo or a thousand small ones??

Methinks a central repository of zero-royalty agreements is in order, so that any indie station can instantly learn which music they can and cannot play, and so an agreement doesn't have to be signed for each and every piece played.

Something like this
http://www.digitalgunfire.com/radioplayrelease.rtf
except worded to apply to all stations.

One internet station's solution -- royalty-free AND not-crud:

http://www.digitalgunfire.com/radioplayrelease.rtf

I think what will happen is that there will suddenly be a much sharper demarcation between independent/royalty-free and chain/royalty stations, and that the lack of overlap will harm the traditional stations and their artists (since a whole segment of listeners will be lost to them), but will be all to the benefit of the royalty-free stations AND the artists they are thereby promoting.

The solution is simple, if draconian: stop playing music that isn't available royalty-free. And then either the royalty mafia notes the loss of the advertising force that comes from a wide listener base, and changes their grasping ways... or we all develop different tastes in music, and life goes on without royalty-impaired music.

In fact, here's a handy link to Digital Gunfire's royalty release form (used by permission):

http://www.digitalgunfire.com/radioplayrelease.rtf

Nobody plays industrial on the "radio", but I listen to a combination of these commercial-free internet stations all day every day at work, for free.

• Digital Gunfire
• Tormented Radio
• RantRadio
• di.fm (FuturePop channel)

And yes, I've bought numerous CD's and Amazon MP3's after hearing tracks from these sites. The last one I bought was MenschDefekt by Massiv In Mensch - it's great for the treadmill ;)

I also bought Troops by Dunkelwerk after hearing "Bastard". It was the only track from the album I'd heard, and I only heard it once, but I thought it was so awesome, I went straight out and ordered the album online.

Oh, we're talking at cross-purposes here... I generally agree with you; the future *eventually* will be with the indy artist who can produce and distribute his own work, and collect his own profits without owing 99% of it back to a label. Radiohead's bold move may not have been quite enough to start a cascade failure in the RIAA's business model, but at least it demonstrated that it CAN be done.

But at present the middlemen DO control production of the vast majority of works that fall under the DMCA (and that's what I was referring to). And rather than figuring out that "the more you tighten your grip, the more dollars slip through your fingers", they are clinging ever-more-tightly to their existing model.

I'm reminded of some ill-managed stores that when they see a drop in revenue (for whatever reason), instead of recognising that they need to create incentives for people to come back, they raise prices to make up the revenue gap -- which may work in the short term, but in the long term will drive away even more would-be customers.

I think that thanks to the obscene increase in statutory royalties, internet radio will soon show a much stronger shift toward *royalty-free" music, which by its nature is more likely to have a high percentage of indy artists. Some stations already have a policy of playing only royalty-free works (see http://www.digitalgunfire.com/radioplayrelease.rtf
) -- and guess what, they've managed to shift my tastes toward that music, if only through sheer exposure. Where do you think my dollars will go next time I purchase CDs??

I listen to Shoutcast streaming radio stations (using a really old version of Winamp, hmm).

I'm into industrial music so my favorite streams are from sites like these:
http://www.digitalgunfire.com/
http://www.ampedout.com/
and sometimes, Radio Free Positron.

Probably the last 10 CDs I've bought have been through those sites. It's been many years since I paid money in a brick-and-mortar store for a CD, especially one on an RIAA label.

.. on a non-RIAA label I have to say that this pisses me off more than illegal downloading. Which pisses me off a lot already.

I rely heavily on streaming stations, social networking sites, and other internet tools to promote my work to my little niche demographic. This corporate bullying effectively removes yet more of the "little guy"'s ability to put out and promote non-major-label content.

Bad enough that little pissants steal our work, now big pissants want a piece. >=[

What Internet radio stations do you listen to and why?

The most common two for me are:

Digital Gunfire

Groove Salad

When it comes to shuffling music, random() isn't always good enough. A few years ago I wrote the playlist generator for Digital Gunfire, who plays by the record label's rules. One of these rules is "can't play a song by the same artist within N minutes of itself". So, I had to write a "guarantee'd less-likely" ordering algorithm, probably similar to the iTunes function. It's an interesting problem!

besides having it clearly listed in the previous post, it's revolvingradio.net

it's usally that or digitalgunfire.com

Digital Gunfire. Not techno, though -- more electronic and EBM. But it's my favorite stream.

And digital gunfire.

Check out: Digital Gunfire. They are an electronic/industrial webcaster who can't be shut down by the RIAA because they only play non RIAA stuff. Before you scoff at that, this is good stuff and many times a LOT better than you will ever see come out of the RIAA. So if you are into that genre, give it a try, if you aren't, give it a try anyway and listen for a few hours. It grows on you!

Keep you hand up if you buy more music because of it"

Hmmm... heard Funker Vogt on shoutcast a few weeks ago.

Enjoyed it. Downloaded a few tracks via gnutella. Yup, this definitely is a group I like.

Went to Best Buy. WTF? No Funker Vogt. Went to CD Warehouse. Nope. Never even heard of them, let alone my fav Apoptygma Bezerk, VNV Nation, Front Line Assembly, etc. "Sure we have industrial..." as the salescritter points at the rap section (ugh... where do they hire these people from?).

So Ms. Rosen, how am I supposed to be a complying RIAA citizen when you won't even sell me the music?

As usual, it was off to cdnow.com, buy one of everything Funker Vogt, and wait for the UPS guy.

Conclusion:

1. I'm waiving money in your face but you won't sell product to me.
2. You can't seem to figure out how to distribute music worth a damn.
3. You keep signing a few worthless artists and pumping their music (while we still don't buy it), rather than understanding the market changed on you.
4. You and the radio broadcasters sign deals trying to limit airplay to the same crap you signed, but now the radio broadcasters can't find listeners and had to destroy Internet broadcasting before it destroyed them.

So, maybe there's another problem that explains why your sales numbers suck?

*scoove*

• Digital Gunfire
  
• DI: Eurodance
  
• DI: Trance
  
• DI: Hard Trance
  
• Wolf FM
  
• Knightcast
  
• ET: Rock
  
• ET: Fusion
  
• RCN Classic Rock
  
• RS: Alternative
  
• RS: 80s
  
• RS: Pop
  
• RS: Classic
  
• RS: Hard Rock
  
• Detroit Industrial

I saw DigitalGunfire.com in a post by someone somewhere on the web stating how this website streams bands who aren't tied to labels yet. This site so far only does industrial rock, but I'd love to find indie bands that have good music on the web. The crap on the radio these days, as we all probably agree, sucks. Therefore, most of my music is found on the web and on "streaming" sites. Please please please save us from the RIAA! Get your music promoted on those indie websites ASAP!

Within weeks, KaZaA users will see the premiere of ads offering Altnet audio and video content for sale. The selection will appear alongside -- but distinguishable from -- KaZaA content on the KaZaA Media Desktop

I don't think this is a bad idea at all.

If there were a way to discern reliable, high-bandwidth servers with complete files from Joe's Dorm computer, that would be a big plus.

It would be nice to have cheap (read: free) and possibly unreliable sources for experimenting and sampling things, and also in the same interface, be able download (and even pay! I would!) a batch of songs by a particular artist quickly and reliably.

I don't use Kazaa. AudioGalaxy doesn't seem to work for me on RH7. Gnutella is the only P2P I've used recently, and it can be frustrating when you want *this* song right *now* and you can't connect to a hit.

I can tell you I'd happily pay 25-50 cents a song for the LOTR soundtrack. Prolly the Spider-Man soundtrack, although I haven't heard it yet, but it is by Danny Elfman. I'd have to hear a few tracks first.

$5 for a modern CD is wonderful. $18 for a modern CD is a joke -- especially paying $18 for a disc that only has two or three good songs.

Other things I'd pay (and have, and will) for:
Flesh Field
Faith And The Muse
KMFDM

I'm actually going to buy a Flesh Field disc this weekend. I'm paying cold,hard Visa for a a disc. I discovered Flesh Field while listening to Digital Gunfire. Great music to code do. (A fan plug. I don't know them.)

Yes, that's me. I use Gnutella, I listen to Internet Radio, and I buy music.