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A quote from eWeek:

No, the problem is that this worm is apparently the product of some ticked-off Linux fan deciding to get back at SCO. Indeed, some moronic Linux fans are cheering MyDoom on. "Quick, disable your AV software, and get some Windows boxes on the internet!"

First of all, it should read, some moronic Linux fans are cheering on MyDoom. Take an English class, buddy.

Second, I am NOT a "Linux fan". Actually, I'm decidedly pro-Microsoft when it comes to the desktop. It just happens that I hate SCO's tactics. I'm offended to be lumped into a "Linux Fan" category.

Robyn Peterson, robyn_peterson@ziffdavis.com, is probably pretty safe to ignore at this point.

Reactions on Slashdot, arguably the largest discussion board for technophiles, displayed a cathartic wave of pleasure, "Finally a worthwhile virus!" exclaims one poster. While another adds, "So, uh where can I download a copy?" (Robyn here included links to relevant /. comments)

While the person who gets paid to write this for a living (wtf?) ignores that the majority of the +4/5 comments that aren't rated "Funny" are

But hold on, Robyn has more to say:

Another Slashdot poster goes as far as saying, "SCO has used past denial of service attacks as 'the dog ate my homework' type of excuses in court." It went on to suggest that "SCO's next court date is in early February, maybe they haven't done all their homework this time," implying that SCO itself released the worm. (Robyn will report next month on the inability of SCO to find evidence because IBM is being a big meanie.)

I know it's an advertising publication, but some people read eWeek and expect some of the things in it to be true. Rather than mention the tangible allegations against SCO with regards to insider trading, lying to stockholders, and inconsistent policies, Robyn reports what he's paid to. And that's fine - a half-truth is not quite libel - but it's kind of disturbing to read.

Bad Robyn Peterson, robyn_peterson@ziffdavis.com. Bad.

Robyn Peterson, robyn_peterson@ziffdavis.com, is probably pretty safe to ignore at this point.

Reactions on Slashdot, arguably the largest discussion board for technophiles, displayed a cathartic wave of pleasure, "Finally a worthwhile virus!" exclaims one poster. While another adds, "So, uh where can I download a copy?" (Robyn here included links to relevant /. comments)

While the person who gets paid to write this for a living (wtf?) ignores that the majority of the +4/5 comments that aren't rated "Funny" are

But hold on, Robyn has more to say:

Another Slashdot poster goes as far as saying, "SCO has used past denial of service attacks as 'the dog ate my homework' type of excuses in court." It went on to suggest that "SCO's next court date is in early February, maybe they haven't done all their homework this time," implying that SCO itself released the worm. (Robyn will report next month on the inability of SCO to find evidence because IBM is being a big meanie.)

I know it's an advertising publication, but some people read eWeek and expect some of the things in it to be true. Rather than mention the tangible allegations against SCO with regards to insider trading, lying to stockholders, and inconsistent policies, Robyn reports what he's paid to. And that's fine - a half-truth is not quite libel - but it's kind of disturbing to read.

Bad Robyn Peterson, robyn_peterson@ziffdavis.com. Bad.

with their treatment of Sendo... that case has caused most manufacturers in that field to think about whether they really really want to be technology partners with them...

> If anyone asks you what this sco fiaSCO is about, you can direct them to this article.

AND THEN you direct them to these published Novell vs. SCO correspondances, Make sure to point out McBride's (SCO's) intentions as stated in their own words back in 2002 compared to his open letter a year later. It shouldn't be too hard for anyone not keeping up with /. to come to the conclusions that SCO is seriously smoking Crack, CRaCK, CRACK!. Although, it may just be easier to point them to this simulated IRC chat which seems to epitomize the entire series of events leading to this big mess. Oh and supposedly SCO is suing trees now.

Read this eWeek interview.

The next version of Windows NT, code-named Cairo and targeted for release sometime in 1995, will be built around the concepts of objects and component software. It will have a native OFS (Object File System) and distributed system support.

Cairo, Microsoft's object-oriented successor to Windows NT, will begin beta testing in early 1996 for release in 1997. Although Microsoft is not revealing the full details of Cairo yet, there are enough clues within current Microsoft OSes to yield a good idea of how it might work.

At the first NT developers conference in 1992, Bill Gates announced that Cairo would arrive in three years and would incorporate object-oriented technologies, especially an object file system. Since then, we've seen Windows NT 3.1, NT 3.5, NT 3.51, and most recently NT 4.0. None is object oriented, none has an object file system, none is Cairo. It seems that Cairo is Microsoft's sly way of promising the world. "Will we see Plug and Play in NT?" "Oh yes, of course, in Cairo." "Will NT ever produce world peace and cheap antigravity?" "You bet -- in Cairo."

September 1, 2003 Eweek 'Longhorn' Rollout Slips

Microsoft Corp. has once again shifted the schedule for the release of "Longhorn," the company's next major version of Windows, leaving some users up in the air about an upgrade path.

Microsoft executives from Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates on down have long described Longhorn as the Redmond, Wash., company's most revolutionary operating system to date. The product was originally expected to ship next year. Then in May of this year, officials pushed back the release date to 2005. But now executives are declining to say when they expect the software to ship.

"We do not yet know the time frame for Longhorn, but it will involve a lot of innovative and exciting work," said Gates at a company financial analyst meeting this summer. Since then, other Microsoft officials have neither retracted nor clarified Gates' statement.

According to the article, Stowell said "We sent this communication because we felt it was an issue that the highest lawmakers in the land need to be aware of" in typical SCO vague fashion.

According to the article, Stowell said "We sent this communication because we felt it was an issue that the highest lawmakers in the land need to be aware of" in typical SCO vague fashion.

= 9J =

I wonder if he's quietly chuckling to himself right now as he's being proved right...

The single most dangerous threat to the success of Linux, especially in the workplace, are the legions of fanboys

Are you sure, because "Linux" has other issues.

1) Over 200 seperate 'distros' (or forks) all calling themselves "Linux". Such creates market confusion.
2) Take this Eolas article. "Eolas Discussing Browser Patent With Linux Community" Errr, guys? Mozilla runs on Mac OS X, Windows, Solaris, FreeBSD. The Gnome and KDE browers run on FreeBSD, solaris, Mac OS X. When did "mozilla" become a stand in for "Linux Community". More market confusion when anything that touches Linux is then called "Linux".

Such mixed messages are what will keep GNU/Linux from going anywhere. Microsoft will bury it, just like they buried UNIX back in the 1990's when they called UNIX 'forked' and 'confusing' and offered Microsoft as a 'stable target'.

I submitted this story today, but as usual, since I am not a friend of the /. Editors, they shot it down big time (within minutes of when I submitted it), but I'm not bitter (that's a joke, OK?)! The guy from Eolas who brought the action against Microsoft about his browser patent, is in talks with "major Linux players." In fact, according to the eWeek story (rejected by /.), he's an Open Source contributor. Read between the lines, because this bodes VERY well for Mozilla. While W3 and Microsoft are hemming and hawing about what this kind of patent meant to them, and it means something very bad for Internet Explorer, I suspect Mozilla will not be a target. Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but "what if" this guy is into Open Source, and saw a nice way to screw MS? I know, "so what, he still has a patent for something that is obvious and should not be patented." Well, my position is just the same as with SCO / IMB. Lessor of two evils, and my enemies' enemy is my friend (for now).

Here is a Special Report from eWeek on Enterprise IM and it has some good reviews and articles including

Corporate IM Solutions

Instant Messaging in the Enterprise

Here is a Special Report from eWeek on Enterprise IM and it has some good reviews and articles including

Corporate IM Solutions

Instant Messaging in the Enterprise

Here is a Special Report from eWeek on Enterprise IM and it has some good reviews and articles including

Corporate IM Solutions

Instant Messaging in the Enterprise

Eolas is talking with members of the Linux and open-source community about the use of its Web browser patent, which is at the heart of its high-profile infringement case against Microsoft, the company's founder said on Wednesday. "We're in discussions with major players in Linux world and working on plan to resolve '906 patent issue with entire Linux community," Eolas Founder Michael Doyle told eWEEK.com, referring in short hand to the full patent's number. "The solution will be supportive of open-source community." Full story.

You don't need to license Fairplay... simply work around it! ;-)

Novell brought Suse for $210Million.
That's a lot of upgrades!

Novell to Offer Linux Indemnification Program
By Peter Galli
January 12, 2004


Novell Inc. has decided to follow Hewlett-Packard Co.'s lead and indemnify its enterprise Linux customers against possible legal action by The SCO Group and/or others.

Novell is expected to announce its Linux Indemnification Program late on Monday, sources close to the company told eWEEK. A Novell spokesman would not confirm this, adding that the company does not comment on speculation.

The new indemnification program is designed to provide its SuSE Enterprise Linux customers with protection against intellectual-property challenges to Linux and to help reduce the barriers to Linux adoption in the enterprise.

Under the terms of the program, Novell will offer indemnification for copyright infringement claims made by third parties against registered Novell customers who obtain SuSE Enterprise Linux 8 after January 13, 2004, upgrade protection and a qualifying technical support contract from Novell or a Novell channel partner.

Customers will also have to accept the program terms and conditions, including caps and other limitations imposed, the sources said.

Novell is also planning a program for those enterprise Linux users who are not currently Novell SuSE Linux users. The program, which will be announced later, will help them become Novell SuSE Linux customers and qualify for the indemnification.

Novell's Linux indemnification move follows its recent acquisitions of open source developer Ximian Inc. and SuSE Linux. Novell announced in August that it had acquired Ximian and in November said it had offered to buy SuSE Linux for $210 million.

Novell executives are also expected to announce on Monday that the SuSE deal has been completed. That will mean that SuSE's Linux distributions join the Novell family of products and allow Novell to offer customers a complete Linux-solution stack and global technical Linux support.

The company's indemnification move today also follows that of HP, which in September announced that it would indemnify its customers against any legal liability from the use of Linux.

Click here to read more about Hewlett-Packard's Linux indemnification program.

At that time Martin Fink, a vice president at Palo Alto, Calif.-based Hewlett-Packard, said the company would indemnify new customers who buy Linux from HP, agree not to make unauthorized changes to the source code and sign a standard support contract.

The need to indemnify enterprise Linux users follows legal action by SCO against IBM for allegedly incorporating parts of proprietary Unix code into Linux. SCO holds the rights to Unix.

In November, SCO CEO Darl McBride threatened to sue enterprise Linux users within 90 days for copyright infringement.

Novell executives are also on Monday expected to release additional information on the contractual and intellectual property rights it holds because of its former ownership of Unix and UnixWare.

To read more about Novell's claims to Unix, click here.

The company is expected to announce that it has the rights to license Unix technology pursuant to a Technology License Agreement between SCO and Novell, including Novell's right to authorize its customers to use that Unix technology in their internal business operations.

It also claims to have the rights to take action on behalf of SCO under legacy Unix SVRX licenses pursuant to the Asset Purchase Agreement between SCO and Novell.

Novell to Offer Linux Indemnification Program
By Peter Galli
January 12, 2004


Novell Inc. has decided to follow Hewlett-Packard Co.'s lead and indemnify its enterprise Linux customers against possible legal action by The SCO Group and/or others.

Novell is expected to announce its Linux Indemnification Program late on Monday, sources close to the company told eWEEK. A Novell spokesman would not confirm this, adding that the company does not comment on speculation.

The new indemnification program is designed to provide its SuSE Enterprise Linux customers with protection against intellectual-property challenges to Linux and to help reduce the barriers to Linux adoption in the enterprise.

Under the terms of the program, Novell will offer indemnification for copyright infringement claims made by third parties against registered Novell customers who obtain SuSE Enterprise Linux 8 after January 13, 2004, upgrade protection and a qualifying technical support contract from Novell or a Novell channel partner.

Customers will also have to accept the program terms and conditions, including caps and other limitations imposed, the sources said.

Novell is also planning a program for those enterprise Linux users who are not currently Novell SuSE Linux users. The program, which will be announced later, will help them become Novell SuSE Linux customers and qualify for the indemnification.

Novell's Linux indemnification move follows its recent acquisitions of open source developer Ximian Inc. and SuSE Linux. Novell announced in August that it had acquired Ximian and in November said it had offered to buy SuSE Linux for $210 million.

Novell executives are also expected to announce on Monday that the SuSE deal has been completed. That will mean that SuSE's Linux distributions join the Novell family of products and allow Novell to offer customers a complete Linux-solution stack and global technical Linux support.

The company's indemnification move today also follows that of HP, which in September announced that it would indemnify its customers against any legal liability from the use of Linux.

Click here to read more about Hewlett-Packard's Linux indemnification program.

At that time Martin Fink, a vice president at Palo Alto, Calif.-based Hewlett-Packard, said the company would indemnify new customers who buy Linux from HP, agree not to make unauthorized changes to the source code and sign a standard support contract.

The need to indemnify enterprise Linux users follows legal action by SCO against IBM for allegedly incorporating parts of proprietary Unix code into Linux. SCO holds the rights to Unix.

In November, SCO CEO Darl McBride threatened to sue enterprise Linux users within 90 days for copyright infringement.

Novell executives are also on Monday expected to release additional information on the contractual and intellectual property rights it holds because of its former ownership of Unix and UnixWare.

To read more about Novell's claims to Unix, click here.

The company is expected to announce that it has the rights to license Unix technology pursuant to a Technology License Agreement between SCO and Novell, including Novell's right to authorize its customers to use that Unix technology in their internal business operations.

It also claims to have the rights to take action on behalf of SCO under legacy Unix SVRX licenses pursuant to the Asset Purchase Agreement between SCO and Novell.

No, that's the Mini-PC from Vulcan Ventures, run by Paul Allen (MS cofounder & third-richest man in the world).

Here's an article describing OQO, Mini-PC and other ultra-portables, all of which are yet to come to market.

Novell Inc. has decided to follow Hewlett-Packard Co.'s lead and indemnify its enterprise Linux customers against possible legal action by The SCO Group and/or others

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They just did.

While searching Google for more info, I found an interesting article dated Nov. 26, where SCO is denying that Google is their next target.

>Maybe you should be?

OR maybe SCO is seriously smoking Crack, CRaCK, CRACK!

IT people are used to seeing vendor ads claiming high performance and low TCO. I doubt that these ads will create a groundswell of professional enthusiasm for Microsoft or against Linux and Open Source. The community of IT peers MS is trying to discredit is growing, not shrinking.

What's significant and encouraging is that Microsoft has moved from worrying about servers to worrying about *everything*.

From a related article: In his platform-strategist role, Taylor succeeds Peter Houston, senior director of Microsoft's Windows Server Strategies, as chief Linux watcher. "Pete was more focused on server, but I'm more cross-group focused, and focused on the whole Microsoft software stack," Taylor said.

I other words, they are realizing they are in more trouble than they thought.

But we're not charging and the isp (covad) requires email authentication through their servers for any smtp traffic- it would be very difficult to control web based mail.

we basically set it up as a free spot, as the owner didn't want to take any time away from the bartenders serving beer.

it's just a 1.5/384 adsl line from covad with a zyxel prestige 645 and a linksys wap54g- g is easy because it's fully compatble with b and only a slight price increase, I wouldn't mess with a.

zyxel makes a great 'hotspot in a box' that features the reciept printer and seems to do a great job overall. I think it was about $600 at that time.

funny, I submitted a very similar 'ask slashdot' in july and it was rejected- I don't even attept to submit stories anymore, I know someone else will eventually and it will be accepted.

There's more in this eWeek article, especially stuff implying that the Cobalt acquisition might not have been all peaches and cream for Sun.

The letters are just to distract people from their quarterly financials.

The references to the DMCA are meant to provoke discussion and are not meaningful. A true DMCA take notice would make SCO liable if SCO was lying. But everyone knows that geeks hate the DMCA so it doesn't hurt to mention it in your letters.

If you look on the SCOX yahoo page, it has a bunch of recent articles about SCO. Wouldn't the headlines look worse if they just said: "SCO loses $1.6 million; pays $10 million lawyers fees." That's what SCO is afraid of.

Their basic plan is to confuse reporters with extra information that doesn't deal with the $1.6 million loss. It worked too.
Here is the headline from one eweek article: "SCO Financials Improve As IP Fights Heat Up" (I really like the author Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols. My guess is someone else may have chosen the headline.)

When SCO initially announced the $10 million dollar lawyers fees they used the same trick. They dragged Boies into the ring. They said they ere ramping up the lawsuits. They threatenned BSD users. They said they were going to sue a major Linux user within "90 days". The whole circus show complete with ladies in sparkly tights...

Well, if that's not the pot calling the kettle black... They really are a joke.

I guess the $9 million in lawyer fees doesn't count toward being profitable or not.

Windows has a native 64-bit version but Intel have prompted MS to delay the release until they can come up with a competitive processor.

wow :) I accidently slashdoted SCO with the above link and now they are calling it a DDoS attack.

SCO Denial-of-Service Attack, Take Two

This is over a month old already. Oddly enough I thought that I read it on slashpot in the first place. But maybe here.

<grin>

Somebody give Mr. Fonseca a clue. With so many unemployed geeks running around, why can't eWeek find somebody who knows this stuff (even cursorily) to write?

His email address: Lance_Ulanoff@ziffdavis.com

His brief bio here

Eclipse (which Sun have also shunned)

This has recently begun changing:

Sun Mulls Joining Java Eclipse Effort

In an about-face that could have a dramatic impact in the Java tools space, Sun Microsystems Inc. has indicated it might be willing to join the IBM-sponsored Eclipse open-source development platform effort--but only if momentum to spin off the effort into an independent organization continues.

Eclipse already seems to be moving from an IBM-led organization to an independent one. The inclusion of Sun in the Eclipse group would be a major move in the Java development space, bringing the two largest Java development organizations together. It would also bolster the Java community against Microsoft Corp.'s .Net architecture and Visual Studio .Net development tools.

Rich Green, vice president of Sun developer tools and Java software, in Santa Clara, Calif., made overtures toward the Eclipse effort in an interview with eWEEK last week, saying he favors a standard that open-source development platform developers can access to build Java applications and Web services.

The Eclipse effort was started in 2001 as an alternative to Sun's Java-based NetBeans open-source tools platform. The name was chosen to signify an effort to overshadow Sun's efforts in the area.

Green, however, said he does not see the two efforts as conflicting and said that with the "hint that Eclipse might be changing their structure and maybe separating from IBM," Sun would be interested in working with the organization.

Joining Sun's new Project Rave developer program with Eclipse would put more developers toward the 10- million-developer goal Sun officials have set for the Java ranks.

Skip McGaughey, chairman of Eclipse and an IBM official on loan to the organization, said the Eclipse board of stewards has been working to transition to an independent organization for the last six months and will probably take another three months before it can completely spin off from its IBM sponsorship.

Once the transition occurs, McGaughey said, he expects Eclipse membership to increase. Speaking on whether independence could affect the group's membership, McGaughey said, "I think so, yes. There are a couple of companies that are industry leaders, such as Sun and BEA [Systems Inc.], that we would like to see join Eclipse."

McGaughey said that in March of last year, the Eclipse board of stewards voted to invite Sun and BEA into its fold, "and we've been working since then to try to bring them in."

Part of the transition to an independent organization will include the selection of a board of directors--separate from the board of stewards--to run the organization as a business entity, McGaughey said.

Green said that although Sun is considering involvement with Eclipse, the company would not be moving its core development platform to Eclipse.

"Just like you're not going to see Oracle [Corp.] or Borland [Software Corp.] [both Eclipse members] substitute out their core for Eclipse. That would take up to 24 months," Green said.

Todd Williams, an Eclipse user and vice president of technology at Genuitec LLC, a Dallas-based software consulting and development company, said, "I think as more companies join and share the organization's vision of common frameworks that are flexible and extensible, the better it will be for Java development."

A major point hampering interaction between the camps has been Eclipse's support of the Standard Widget Toolkit and NetBeans' support of the AWT (Abstract Windowing Toolkit) and Swing as their graphics platforms. The technologies are incompatible.

"Sun believes that Eclipse will hit a wall in terms of performance and compatibility because of distinctions between its NetBeans ... approach and Eclipse's ... approach, but at the moment, Eclipse is the clear leader,

Supporting their software on Linux also benefits the OS community. Oracle is a 1 point of contact for any problems on the support linux platforms. Thats a HUGE deal for companies considering moving to Linux. No matter what the problem is on a linux server Oracle will support you.

As for actual code here's a quote from an article:

Officials at the OracleWorld conference here last week said Oracle will continue to contribute development work and code in areas such as management, clustering and enterprise database to the open-source and Linux community in association with companies such as Red Hat and SuSE Linux A.G.

Full article here.

I am surprised the list did not contain the quote from Linus "I allege that SCO is full of it"

Kevin Mack's Top 10 Linus SCO quotes (in reverse order):

[thanks to Dee-Ann LeBlanc for the link.]

10. Not About IP"None of the SCO accusations have anything to do with IP rights; they're all about contracts between IBM and SCO. All the IP rights blathering by SCO was just that -- blathering"

9. Custody Battle"SCO is claiming parenthood of that child and now wants to make money off the earnings of that child. Even though SCO has refused to undergo the technical equivalent of DNA testing, and even though my (and other people's) DNA is probably all over Linux."

8. Lottery

"we have to sadly decline taking business model advice from a company that seems to have squandered all its money (that it made off a Linux IPO, I might add, since there's a nice bit of irony there), and now seems to play the US legal system as a lottery."

7. Copyright Law"So . . . when he attacks the GPL as being somehow against 'financial gain', that notion that the GPL has of 'exchange of receipt of copyrighted works' is actually EXPLICITLY ENCODED in the US copyright law. It's not just a crazy idea that some lefty commie hippie dreamed up in a drug-induced stupor."

6. Raelians

"SCO is playing it like the Raelians [the organization backed by Clonaid's founder, known as Rael], saying, 'We'll show you proof in a few weeks, through an expert panel that we trust.' Let's see if there is any baby or not."

5. Jerry Springer"Quite frankly, I found it mostly interesting in a Jerry Springer kind of way. White trash battling it out in public, throwing chairs at each other. SCO crying about IBM's other women. ... Fairly entertaining"

4. Stealing Cars In Bright Daylight

"Do you steal a car in the bright daylight with a lot of people around? Or do you steal a car, go for a joyride at 4 am in the morning when there aren't a lot of people around. With open source, there is a lot of daylight. A lot of people looking at the code. You don't really go around and steal things."

3. Constitution and Marriage"If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment to the commercial growth of prostitution"

2. Smoking"They are smoking crack."

And number one, according to Mack...

1. Please Grow Up"we find your references to a negotiating table somewhat confusing, since there doesn't seem to be anything to negotiate about. SCO has yet to show any infringing IP in the Open Source domain, but we wait with bated breath for when you will actually care to inform us about what you are blathering about."

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E-Week also has a good review.

MS/DOJ: Judge accepts most of settlement agreement

"The "remedy" ruling is in effect for five years unless the court chooses to extend it, and orders Microsoft not to retaliate against computer makers who offer competing software products with the PCs they sell."

Judge Goes Easy on Microsoft

"In a related matter, Kollar-Kotelly ordered Microsoft to disclose and license communications protocols used by clients running on Windows to interoperate with Microsoft servers. The company is also required to disclose APIs and technical information that Microsoft middleware uses to interoperate with the operating system, but the disclosure provisions fall far short of the states' requests."

DRM is not subject to the order

"Microsoft does not, however, have to document, disclose or license APIs (application programming interfaces) or communications protocols that would compromise the security of systems used for antipiracy, antivirus, software licensing, digital rights management, encryption or authentication."

SCO Denies Rumor that Google is Next Legal Target

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1398341,00.as p

Note: Blake Stowell doesn't say they won't sue Google, just that they haven't decided on a target yet. He does admit that Google is one of the Fortune 1000 they sent letters to.

This is, of course, just another way for SCO to pump up the stock action. Not really denying the story spreads the rumor, without courting the kind of suit Red Hat slapped them with.

And on a tangent...OSDL to Answer SCO with Linux Campaign.

The Open Source Development Lab (OSDL) on Wednesday will announce a new initiative aimed at raising awareness about how the Linux kernel is developed.

It has NOTHING to do with SVG, Flash, or Web standards.

Actually, competing with Flash is EXACTLY what Microsoft has in mind.

Read this article for more info.

Ok how about just perjury alone. Forged video evidence was also presented in the anti-trust trial in the U.S.

Ok how about the court's decision, upheld on appeal, that the company used illegal methods to maintain a desktop monopoly?

There are also the false and misleading advertising, against palm, novell, and regarding MS-Passport. MS-Passport cannot be secure even in theory, so any claims were clearly known to be falsehoods. And since MS-Office 2003 is tied into that, expect more legal action.

Then there have been a series of fines regarding patent infringements. The most recent being from SPX.

Where I come from, all that's called lying or stealing.

Ok how about just perjury alone. Forged video evidence was also presented in the anti-trust trial in the U.S.

Ok how about the court's decision, upheld on appeal, that the company used illegal methods to maintain a desktop monopoly?

There are also the false and misleading advertising, against palm, novell, and regarding MS-Passport. MS-Passport cannot be secure even in theory, so any claims were clearly known to be falsehoods. And since MS-Office 2003 is tied into that, expect more legal action.

Then there have been a series of fines regarding patent infringements. The most recent being from SPX.

Where I come from, all that's called lying or stealing.

And I who thought that it were crack they were smoking all this time. Even Linus seems to agree on that one.

• Torvalds: They are smoking crack.