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He's talking about Linux. ATi's linux drivers are completely inexcusable horrible fucking pieces of brainrotted shit. If you manage to get them working at all, you'll still get all sorts of stability and corruption, and a 9600 Pro will get beaten by a GeForce2 MX. Yes, they are that bad.

See also.

I see what you're saying. It'd be nice if someone always had the patience to ask "why?" but I think the onus remains with the poster to elaborate.

Sometimes 'overrated' goes hand-in-hand with 'punishment' (of sorts). For instance, today I moderated a post down that had been moderated up to '+4 Informative' (IIRC) as 'Overrated' because it was factually, and therefore totally, incorrect. The poster of that comment was corrected and then asked for their earlier post to be moderated down. I know trying to stop the spread of FUD and untruths on somewhere like /. is probably in wikipedia as a definition for 'futility' but in lieu of a 'Wrong' moderation, 'Overrated' is probably the best alternative for people that don't seeing 'informative' posts at +5 because people moderating don't know any better. That's just spreading stupidity!

Okay, why IS Emerge cool? (And for that matter, what is it? :)

Seriously? It's a Gentoo Linux thing. In simple terms emerge is an installer. AFAIK it's similar to the ports / packages system in FreeBSD (actually, maybe it's closer to portupgrade). It provides a relatively easy way to configure and install stuff (because it handles compilation, dependency checking, installation etc.) It is pretty cool (because it takes the headaches out of installing stuff).

I think what the original poster was saying with

emerge this-is-cool

was: "I'll install / try this (Gentoo 2005) out because I think it's cool."

Or maybe there's something in Gentoo's Portage called "this-is-cool" and the poster flicked between xterms at an inopportune moment and posted to Slashdot. We may never know!

The most unfortunate thing about gentoo is that the machines that need its help the most - K6s and other stepchild CPUs - are the ones that take the longest to build the system, but that's reality.

Here's the link you want:
Gentoo Distcc guide

Admittedly I haven't used it yet, but if I ever need to install Gentoo on an old laptop it's a route I would definately explore.

etc-update is the old way, and sucks. Use dispatch-conf instead.

The story seems to overstate things a little bit. Apparently the 2005.0 release will have an experimental installer, and it won't yet include support for multi-machine cloning, although that is planned for the future.

Read it from the source here: Gentoo Linux 2005.0 Story Clarification

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Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

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A Stage3 install of gentoo is an install of binaries, and there are x86 binaries of most all the packages that can be installed once you're in a running system. You don't need to compile anything on Gentoo. So you get a choice. You actually get more choices, as you can compile or install binaries for the base system, and then you can compile or install binaries for the additional packages.

The BSD jails are a better kernel-leve enforcement of chroot. Linux doesn't have *as* good of a chroot, but it's fine for most cases. Gentoo is differentiated from most ofhter Linux distros by supprting the selinux stuff, though. Check out the hardened Gentoo and the subprojects within.

I just switched a few months ago and (although I don't know what the docs were like a while ago) the Gentoo install documentation is excellent even for non-gentoo users interested in how things work.

I'd recommend people looking for something flexible and easy to keep up to date give it a try, I've been very impressed.

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Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!

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IMPORTANT UPDATE: Please show your support for Ceren in this poll of Geek Babes!

Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!

Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!

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Hmmm, yeah, that's a good idea -- I'd forgotten about that problem. Is there a bug for it? Never mind, I'll check myself, and... yes, there is! Do you know if there's a way to vote for bugs, like you can with Mozilla?

[1] And personally, I'd rather my software stopped working rather than kept running in an insecure manner.
Then I have a solution for you. Obtain one of the Linux distributions (e.g. go here and follow the instructions) and you will no longer have an insecure computer. As long as you use MS Windows, you will have an insecure machine. (See this comment above:
by deaddeng (63515) on Wednesday November 24, @02:24PM (#10912083) .)

There's Fink (Debian based), Portage and DarwinPorts

Not to mention that the opendarwin 'distro' lags several versions behind the OSX build, i.e.
OS X 10.3.6 = Darwin 7.6
current version of OpenDarwin = 7.2.1

Obviously you dont know a lot about gentoo. Portage has plenty support for binary packages.

Add the "build-pkg" option on the emerge command or in make.conf, and your compiled binary will be packed in a .tbz2 archive, ready for distribution on your others boxes.

You can even make a binary package of something already installed on your system. Perfect for quick rollback in case something goes wrong. Just type:

quickpgk mod_php

if your want to make a binary package of the currently installed mod_php. :) Doesnt get any better for a corporate sysadmin.

Hey, dont take my word for it, check out Gentoos documentation on the subject.

It's important that our tools support binary packages, because binary packages are widely used and widely in demand in the Linux community. If our tools don't support binary packages, then we can't claim that our tools are designed to allow a user to do anything he or she might want to do.

And so on... Now in general, I can't say I'm a fan of this meta-package project. Forking and creating another tool is easy, bringing folks together is very difficult. We need some true leadership to start moving apt/yum/rpm/deb folks toward one package standard, one consistent filesystem layout and directory structure if the goal is cross-distribution compatability... adding another layer of abstraction is akin to treating symptoms and not causes, if one is convinced this package compatability issue is a problem

. Jeff

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=148168

No one said it was easy.

Sadly, even zgv isn't free from security flaws.

And they wouldn't have to spend hours trying to figure out how to upgrade their OS like they do with Linux.
Just follow the directions:
emerge sync
emerge -u world
(or emerge portage, etc. according to the instructions given after you "emerge sync").

IMPORTANT UPDATE: Please show your support for Ceren in this poll of Geek Babes!

Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!

Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!

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*cough*

my default box uses gentoo

when i use windows, i prefer to keep it as free of bloat as possible: hence, i turn most services off by default (you can do that, you know, with some tips from places such as blackviper's guide). because i eschew bloat, overburdening memspace, and a rather ugly interface, even for windows, i avoid crapware like itunes/windows.

leave it to a machead fanboi to assume certain things about other users and blindly try to convert others to their side by confusing a media player and an operating system.

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Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!

Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!

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http://gentoo-wiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml
http://forums.gentoo.org/ - Frequently Asked Questions, Search

http://gentoo-wiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml
http://forums.gentoo.org/ - Frequently Asked Questions, Search

IMPORTANT UPDATE: Please show your support for Ceren in this poll of Geek Babes!

Is it any wonder people think Linux users are a bunch of flaming homosexuals when its fronted by obviously gay losers like these?! BSD has a mascot who leaves us in no doubt that this is the OS for real men! If Linux had more hot chicks and gorgeous babes then maybe it would be able to compete with BSD! Hell this girl should be a model!

Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!

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I know I'm probably feeding a troll, but I won't let you get away with bashing the best Gentoo feature. BSD docs are a huge pile of paper, when compared to the nicely organised, professional documentation on Gentoo.org. As much as writing stuff down, it's important to make it findable.

Just go and compare the sites.

Actually, you can get Gentoo's Portage on Solaris if you try hard enough, and it's in some respects similar to FreeBSD's Ports system.

At first glance, it appears to me that you're blaming the Linux distro for what may be a hardware issue. Looks like the hard drive from the Dell Optiplex box is okay, but beyond that it's hard to tell. If I were in your shoes, I would have closed with this line instead:

Needless to say, I'm no longer impressed with my Dell Optiplex with three NIC's in it.

If you're serious about getting your box running, I heartily recommend that you post to the Kernel and Hardware forum at the Gentoo forums site with real details of your issues.

Damn multi-CD distros not using the fact we're *gasp* usually connected to the Internet and can download what we want.

I'm not sure whether that's a comment made in comparison to other distros, but, just in case, here is...

A brief broadband linux tutorial:

Debian

Ubuntu

Arch

Gentoo

The end.

You will have to update your profile occasionally though. eg, my fileserver was still using the 1.4 profile which is now apparently depreciated. Just symlink /etc/make.profile to the 2004.3 like so:

substitute <arch> with your arch
# rm /etc/make.profile
# ln -s ../usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/<arch>/2004. 3 /etc/make.profile

This is all explained in the Gentoo Upgrading Guide.

gentoo and BSD are in the works.
Links:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/bsd/index .xml
http://dev.gentoo.org/~g2boojum/bsd.html

gentoo and BSD are in the works.
Links:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/bsd/index .xml
http://dev.gentoo.org/~g2boojum/bsd.html

I just wish that they would use the wacky gentoo penguin rather than the 'g' logo.

Speaking of the wacky gentoo penguin. Does anyone else find it strangely similar to this?

Hmm... How about this: You could go to The Web-ified Gentoo Package Database . Next, search for "ircd" or whatever the package is you wish to use. Then click "Homepage". Read that application's docs available on the upstream developers web site. Then, if the default config is ok, "/etc/init.d/ircd start". Hint: Gentoo devs generally create a config that is "average" and "enough to get the application running it it's most common secure configuration."

The big question... does it actually work and take care of everything?

Yes. The only other thing you might want to do (though its usually not necessary) is to update the profile. After an emerge -u world, everything will be current. With gentoo version numbers mean next to nothing. New versions are usually just updates to the installer livecd itself to fix bugs and support more hardware. The packages are updated constantly, not just when new gentoo releases come out.

Some would claim that i am Gentoo's installer lol
over 500 systems installed over ssh =]
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=189250/

Usually what you do is blindly try "man ircd" at the terminal prompt, for example, or if that doesn't work, go to packages.gentoo.org , type in the package name, follow the homepage link, and find instructions there.

Say, if you emerged ngircd, the man method don't work, so you do the search, follow the homepage link, where you find installation instructions.

Usually what you do is blindly try "man ircd" at the terminal prompt, for example, or if that doesn't work, go to packages.gentoo.org , type in the package name, follow the homepage link, and find instructions there.

Say, if you emerged ngircd, the man method don't work, so you do the search, follow the homepage link, where you find installation instructions.

And, of course, release notices are a form of marketing, as with all software.

For those who think `emerge sync && emerge -uD world` will update your system:

Don't forget to update the /etc/make.profile link after an `emerge sync`. The sync will place the new profile in /usr/portage/profiles. From the Gentoo Upgrading Guide:

substitute $arch with your arch
# rm /etc/make.profile
# ln -s ../usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/$arch/2004.3 /etc/make.profile

...This looks free to me...

Installing IE6 via WINE.

Here's your monthly, "Microsoft Sucks", reminder from slashdot.

http://www.gentoo.org/
http://www.redhat.com/
http://www.suse.com/

Things that could save Solaris in my book are replacing their toolset with the GNU tools (make, tar etc.), keeping their libraries up to date, getting a decent package manager. Portage would be nice, since it's trying to install open source software that gives me the most grief (i.e. Solaris-provided library minefields and dependency hell...)

"Here in Gentoo land, the concept of upgrading is quite different compared to the rest of the Linux world. You probably already know that we never got in touch with the "classic" way of upgrading software: waiting for a new release, downloading it, burning, putting it in the cdrom drive and then following the upgrade instructions. You know (being a Gentoo user after all) that this process is extremely frustrating for power users that want to live on the bleeding edge. [...]"

arghh - let's blame my caffeine consumption...

Here's the a correct link

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Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

Don't be a fag! Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!

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Gentoo has the ebuild information here

And if your a hardcore BSD person... check out this page about Asterisk on BSD

Hum... much like the senior citizens... Gentoo and BSD may serve a purpose.

See here. I've used a Gentoo live cd a while on my iBook G3 and it worked fine (and no, you don't have to compile anything to start a nice X-environment).

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=153921

The second best feature of Gentoo is it's forums.

Thanks AC - your post was quite informative.

From the Gentoo site, it seems to have made several tasks easier than before (As I said, I haven't used it). Their page I was reading

The jeering is still offensive and wrong.

Quoting your post in full since it's zero-ranked:

You say "The process of compiling software into a distribution used to be the last "closed" aspect of the Linux movement. Things like Gentoo helped solved that problem."

That is not true. You have always been able to figure out how a package was built. In slackware, install the source package and there is the original tarball Patrick downloaded, a patch file for any changes, and a script that has all the commands he ran to build it. You can modify it and make it your way -- I have done this, to add newer features to MC that were released as patch files after the slackware release, for example.

In an RPM based distribution you against install the source package; you can do everything automatically using rpmbuild, or just install the package and go into /usr/src/REDHAT/ and look at and modify the sources, and there is a .spec file that specifies where the binary will go and compilation options and etc. You can modify those and make your own RPMs to install; I have done this with Postgres and PHP, when the distributed RPMs for a certain redhat release were out of date.

The point of all this jeering at the gentoo guys, is that they are mostly newbies who arrived at gentoo by not learning Redhat or Slackware well enough to do what they immagined they needed to do, and they just desparately installed different distributions until one of them gave them the appropriate feeling of eliteness.

For example, the average gentoo user doesn't know how to make his own ebuild to create a package of his own, or use different features in a source tree, etc. They install things using "emerge" which downloads and builds in one step, not pausing for you to tweak the source tree to install it your way. And you can be fairly certain that they will never learn -- if they need the --with-wiz-bang feature on some package, they will scream to the gentoo maintainers, and when that fails, start installing every CD set on distrowatch until they find the one that does it for them.

These loud mouthed cheerleaders wouldn't recogize this if it would save their life: ./configure ; make ; make install