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Oh look, another company to whom I've entered into a commercial agreement with that now has a right to my entire browsing history and "public metadata". Super.

Maybe not just Huawei, but "China Ltd." as well.

Huawei has spied for Chinese government, ex-CIA boss says

I'm pretty sure GCHQ wouldn't "outsource."

Maybe your right. Or maybe they have watched the US continually lower the bar for illegally kidnapping people... (sorry it is called "extraordinary rendition" now). If not kidnapping then you never know when politicians will cut a deal that happens to includes your head...

The indictment is from 2009. Two of the 5 men were arrested last year. The other three men are on the run most likely hiding out somewhere in Russia, and suddenly this is offered up as new "news" for the masses to contemplate. Could we be seeing some Snowden kickback - time to drag the words "Russia"/"Russian" through the dirt as much as possible for not handing over the US whisteblower Edward Snowden. The battle here is all about public opinion, after all - because they sure cant win against him based on morality, or even the law.

Business Insider have a somewhat cynical take on Snowden's asylum claim which I think is worth reading.

The article is worth reading, but in claiming that [Snowden] "is asking for asylum in a country that continues to openly squash dissent", it neglects to mention that at this point, his options are becoming limited.

Even assuming any other nation were to offer him asylum, recent history has shown that the US is extremely unlikely to allow him to get there. So his only option might be to stay where he is, and make the best of it.

Er exactly like Chernobyl but contained better, sort of, at least in the air.
20k limit...Chernobyl only has a 30k radius, without even having ocean to dump it into.

Chernobyl - Meltdown
Fukushima - Meltdown
You'll see they share the same word.
Chernobyl's cooling system failed to prevent a chain reaction too.

Key differences - Chernobyl did not have an ocean nearby to cool it / dump radioactive water everywhere.
It's like saying you were in a car crash. If you crash at 10 kmh/mph or 30 kmh/mph, you still crashed.

Chernobyl's radioactive crap was blasted into the air when it blew off a 1000 concrete seal.
Fukushima was dumped into the ocean.
Literrally. They even admit they believe it drained out into the ocean.
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/japan/130722/fukushima-radioactive-water-leaking-pacific-ocean

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jul/05/fukushima-meltdown-manmade-disaster
3 reactor meltdown.

So hopefully less damaging by spreading out the radiation through the ocean, hopefully the dillution prevents any adverse affects.

P.S We got radio active snow / ice on the west coast of Canada now, northern side. Not anywhere considered lethal or suspected to be harmful, but uh, yeah.
P.P.S Or you can say 'We detected an increased level of radiation in the snow' Vs whatever levels they are normally at from previous incidents/natural sources.

Like lying to congress as well, you reprehensible on the payroll spinmaster troll? Like targetting political opponents to the current regime in power using the IRS to do it??? Like doing this to protesters who had the RIGHT to do it -> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/29/fbi-coordinated-crackdown-occupy ????

* Fuck off you little jackass... we've had it with "your kind" (grovelling at your paymaster's feet screwing the rest of us like the sociopathic megalomaniac liars you ALL are!)

APK

P.S.=> I don't know about the rest of you, but personally? I've really had it! They take our tax dollars, & fuckup on just about every project, charge triple, pocket 9/10ths, & then ask for more... WTF! Then these fucking bastards in government (mere puppets of the TRUE controllers with the "Holy Dollar" Ca$h) keep on getting caught in MORE BULLSHIT almost daily, slippping more & more - & I have a STRONG feeling more of this is going to keep coming out (call it a "hunch")...

... apk

but all of that kind of seems piddling compared to the effect his actions will have on billions of the world's poorest people.

Yep. Especially when teamed up with Monsanto*. The actions will have quite an impact.

[*] http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/poverty-matters/2010/sep/29/gates-foundation-gm-monsanto

The irony of Claire Perry getting whipped in court over a freedom of speech issue would cause a massive outbreak of schadenfreude across the UK.....

Interestingly enough, photographs of Claire Perry getting whipped in court would qualify as "Extreme Pornography" and possession of them could land you in jail right next to the guy who designed the logo for the London Olympics.

Sadly, so does a quarter of the human race

when was the last time a major newspaper or network broke a political scandal that wasn't sex.

Do you actually read newspapers, or do you just bitch about them?

Where are they when voter suppression is a fact of life in most of the Southern United states?

Why would I give a rats ass about the Zimmerman trial if I wasn't in that community?

Do you even listen to yourself?

These folks in governments doing this are - personally? I feel/think they DO go in with "the right reasons" & all that, but the ONLY problem?? The old adage of "Absolute Power Corrupting Absolutely": That's all. I mean, for instance, how often do you hear about things where Feds get caught spying on ex-wives/girlfriends & such??? It does happen. That's the problem & an "example thereof". They're JUST MEN, mortal men, subject to the same weaknesses &/or stupidities ANY OF US CAN POTENTIALLY BE (myself included - I honestly can tell you that I would NOT want access to such abilities as they are gaining, I really wouldn't, because give me the "right" (wrong actually per the spying bit above) circumstances & pressures, I could be just as susceptible. Moreso in my "younger days" than now though, there's no question of that - you DO "wise up" & "grow up" (lol, @ least SOME hopefully) usually, with age - it's called maturity - at least in an example like the one I threw out above. However, ANYONE can get "bent outta shape" & "turn to the dark side", or wasn't using the IRS to target political opponents an example of that, albeit on other grounds than online stuff... shit like it, does happen, period. The problem is again putting a match in the hands of someone living inside a gasoline can basically. What bugged me MOST (beyond the IRS example)? This: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/29/fbi-coordinated-crackdown-occupy those people have rights to protest (especially vs. what they felt was "the man"/1%'ers bullshit) - the results? Bogus imo, totally bogus & yes, an ABUSE of power. That's my point here. That shit, happens. Especially as MegaDeth put it in the tune "Symphony of Destruction" with the 1st lyric "You take a mortal man, & put him in control..."

APK

P.S.=> Man - it's been a "StRanGe" summer with all of this stuff FINALLY "coming out" but, imo @ least? It's been going on more & more since the telecommunications industry "hopped in bed" with the government around 1947 onwards, & only increasing as tech met the challenges faced by GREATER & finer-grained amounts of it needed to be done, along with volume... I honestly don't think the folks doing it realize how much it OFFENDS their constituencies (or they don't care, take your pick) to know that Big Brother TRULY IS, watching you (or could)... Still - I suppose ALL OF THIS IS NECESSARY (part of the 'growing pains' of humanity as a species I guess)...

...apk

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/rapid-change-feature.html

If temperatures were to rise 2 degrees Celsius over pre-industrial times, global mean temperature would far exceed that of the Eemian, when sea level was four to six meters higher than today, Hansen said.

"The paleoclimate record reveals a more sensitive climate than thought, even as of a few years ago. Limiting human-caused warming to 2 degrees is not sufficient," Hansen said. "It would be a prescription for disaster."

-snip-

The human-caused release of increased carbon dioxide into the atmosphere also presents climate scientists with something they've never seen in the 65 million year record of carbon dioxide levels – a drastic rate of increase that makes it difficult to predict how rapidly the Earth will respond. In periods when carbon dioxide has increased due to natural causes, the rate of increase averaged about .0001 parts per million per year – in other words, one hundred parts per million every million years. Fossil fuel burning is now causing carbon dioxide concentrations to increase at two parts per million per year.

"Humans have overwhelmed the natural, slow changes that occur on geologic timescales," Hansen said.

I think its both the rate and direction of temperature change that is so worrisome. Life on Earth today is adapted to multi-millennial oscillations between familiar "glacial cool" and "ice age" conditions, not the hothouse Earth. Even if most species could migrate much faster, its unlikely to be of much help.

Without even the slightest hint of irony, David this morning promised that he won't ban Page 3. So in future, if you need to fap, you'll just have to pay Rupert Murdoch for the privaledge (who from this point forward, will form the backbone of our nations moral compass).

Cameron cracks down on 'corroding influence' of online pornography http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jul/22/david-cameron-crackdown-internet-pornography but mission creep http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cartoon/2013/jul/21/david-cameron-internet-block-child-sex-searches could well happen. I feel an unease about who controls the blocking lists and the accountability of such office holders.

Cameron cracks down on 'corroding influence' of online pornography http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jul/22/david-cameron-crackdown-internet-pornography but mission creep http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cartoon/2013/jul/21/david-cameron-internet-block-child-sex-searches could well happen. I feel an unease about who controls the blocking lists and the accountability of such office holders.

Still, three cheers for the first enterprising foreign VPN company to offer free VPN services (ad-supported?). I anticipate approximately every single teen male in the UK becoming aware of it within a week of its launch.

Also, the earlier Firehose articles were more complete (but that's Slashdot editors for ya): BBC News giving a good amount of political commentary, and technological implementation of the blocking by Twitter.

From TFA and quoted by the poster: "A measles outbreak infected 1,219 people in southwest Wales between November 2012 and early July, compared with 105 cases in all of Wales in 2011." Wrong, see: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/may/02/measles-epidemic-swansea-teenagers-targeted-vaccinations (May 2nd) "The headline total for measles across Wales is now at 1,170 cases. The number of laboratory confirmed cases in the outbreak stands at 370 out of a total of 850 samples tested." So the outbreak is exagerated by more than a factor of two.

The company, a comparative midget with just 30,000 subscribers, cited the Fourth Amendment in rebuffing warrantless requests from local, state and federal authorities, showing it was possible to resist official pressure says it all http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/09/xmission-isp-customers-privacy-nsa

In the immortal words of James Tiberius Kirk, "We come in peace, shoot to kill".

The company, a comparative midget with just 30,000 subscribers, cited the Fourth Amendment in rebuffing warrantless requests from local, state and federal authorities, showing it was possible to resist official pressure says it all http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/09/xmission-isp-customers-privacy-nsa

1) Climate change has always been more used than global warming in the actual literature. A fact easily confirmed by checking the Google Ngram Viewer

2) You can thank Republican Party strategist Frank Luntz for popularizing climate change over global warming in the mass media. The Republicans got behind climate change vs global warming specifically to convince the public that it wasn't a serious issue. So your 'honesty' argument backfires: It was the Republican Party that wanted 'climate change' to be the popular term so people wouldn't take it seriously.

There are supposed to be Checks and Balances but they have pretty much failed - police and prosecutors tend to work hand-in-hand in any country.
It could be worse though, much worse.

There are supposed to be Checks and Balances but they have pretty much failed - police and prosecutors tend to work hand-in-hand in any country.
It could be worse though, much worse.

Angela Merkel (WARNING may be NSFW)

Garden sharing is another great thing. I wish something like this existed here. See http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011/sep/02/garden-sharing-growing-vegetables. And here is a TEDx talk about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya6zndBObHY

I'm fairly certain that I can out run a shark, they damn animal doesn't even have legs!

this one did

they did.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/11/pm-apology-to-alan-turing

Gordon Brown issued an unequivocal apology last night on behalf of the government to Alan Turing, the second world war codebreaker who took his own life 55 years ago after being sentenced to chemical castration for being gay.

Describing Turing's treatment as "horrifying" and "utterly unfair", Brown said the country owed the brilliant mathematician a huge debt. He was proud, he said, to offer an official apology. "We're sorry, you deserved so much better," Brown writes in a statement posted on the No 10 website.

No, it has to do with his describing how we do things.

Look, I have no doubt that BOTH china and Russia have copied the disk drives, and without his know it either.
BUT, the real treason was not just when he stole drives, but when he speaks about how we do these things.

Microsoft has collaborated closely with US intelligence services to allow users' communications to be intercepted, including helping the National Security Agency to circumvent the company's own encryption, according to top-secret documents obtained by the Guardian. The files provided by Edward Snowden illustrate the scale of co-operation between Silicon Valley and the intelligence agencies over the last three years. They also shed new light on the workings of the top-secret Prism program, which was disclosed by the Guardian and the Washington Post last month.

Right there, that is treason. He was not talking about spying on Americans. He was talking about how the NSA does its job. I can not stand MS. They are a very corrupt and inept company. However, they were doing the right things and will burn for it.
Snowden is a traitor in every sense of the word.

source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data

When he spoke about spying on Americans, he was a whistle blower. Had he been smart, he would have stopped right there.

Sadly, that idiot carried it into treason and has not only harmed America's interest, but his own: his life.

Are you referring to the badly sourced, unsubstantiated allegations made in the The New York Times smear piece? If not, can you please provide a source that backs up your claim that he committed treason, along with what actions of his constitute treason?

In North Korea, under the, "association system", up to three generations of a persons family can be taken permanently to, "a place to make a good person through reeducation", for that person's crimes.

Yes, once again we come to the difference between a free society and a unfree society. Although it may be emotionally satisfying to compare the United States with North Korea, it isn't true in any meaningful way. Unlike North Korea, people in the United States are not routinely hauled away to prisons where they are much more likely to die than ever be free again due to the crimes of their adult children. Nor can you point to prison camps in the United States that are anything like the brutality of North Korea's finest.

Revealed: the gas chamber horror of North Korea's gulag

In the remote north-eastern corner of North Korea, close to the border of Russia and China, is Haengyong. Hidden away in the mountains, this remote town is home to Camp 22 - North Korea's largest concentration camp, where thousands of men, women and children accused of political crimes are held.
Now, it is claimed, it is also where thousands die each year and where prison guards stamp on the necks of babies born to prisoners to kill them.

Over the past year harrowing first-hand testimonies from North Korean defectors have detailed execution and torture, and now chilling evidence has emerged that the walls of Camp 22 hide an even more evil secret: gas chambers where horrific chemical experiments are conducted on human beings.

Witnesses have described watching entire families being put in glass chambers and gassed. They are left to an agonising death while scientists take notes. The allegations offer the most shocking glimpse so far of Kim Jong-il's North Korean regime.

Kwon Hyuk, who has changed his name, was the former military attaché at the North Korean Embassy in Beijing. He was also the chief of management at Camp 22. In the BBC's This World documentary, to be broadcast tonight, Hyuk claims he now wants the world to know what is happening.

'I witnessed a whole family being tested on suffocating gas and dying in the gas chamber,' he said. 'The parents, son and and a daughter. The parents were vomiting and dying, but till the very last moment they tried to save kids by doing mouth-to-mouth breathing.' ....

Most are imprisoned because their relatives are believed to be critical of the regime. Many are Christians, a religion believed by Kim Jong-il to be one of the greatest threats to his power. According to the dictator, not only is a suspected dissident arrested but also three generations of his family are imprisoned, to root out the bad blood and seed of dissent.

The two aren't even close to being the same.

Here's another one, if you care to read it: Email exchange between Edward Snowden and former GOP Senator Gordon Humphrey [2013-07-16]

Would the U.S. of A. allow him to pick up the price, or would he be another empty chair?

The record companies are setting the price. They hold an 18% share in Spotify. Still, Spotify is the only legal way for me to listen to music without buying shitloads of even more expensive albums each month. If artists want money from me directly, they need to skip the middle man.

Legal. I like that term.

But there is a problem.

See, I can get music for free, very easy. I don't need to listen to the radio, i don't need to record it from friends. I, like you, can just download it off the internet. So explain to me why I should overpay (let alone pay) a corporation who treats everyone like criminals, wants to keep the copyright laws in the stone age, lobbies abusive personal freedom laws to the government, and are corporate greed bastards? So that maybe 1% of that money makes it to the musician?

That is like me paying the bully money so he doesn't beat me up. That is like me paying the mafia protection money so my business doesn't get abused or rob.

Fuck the current music corporations. I am NOT paying them shit, I'd prefer they die away in bankrupt hell or something. You don't need to be part of the music corporate industry to get your name out anymore, shit you didn't need it before. Prime Example, Big Black https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Black They self funded all their albums, never took a "loan" out from a record company to get their music made. And yet I knew about them when they were playing, even made their last concert ever. And to this day, Steve Albini (main guy of Big Black) still does his music business that same way, doesn't take loans from record companies to produce his music. Oh ya, and he owns all his own music.

All the nice sentences just to talk around full compliance with CALEA?
Its not like it was just some fax with a time, ip and port number from some city police department.. with an amazing letterhead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/edward-snowden-claims-microsoft-collaborated-with-nsa-and-fbi-to-allow-access-to-user-data-8705755.html
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/11/snowden_docs_detail_collaboration_between_nsa_and_microsoft/
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/07/nsa-taps-skype-chats-newly-published-snowden-leaks-confirm/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
US Adult Computer and Adult Internet Users
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1158.pdf
The tiny % number wrt to big US computer use number and US MS marketshare seem to add up :)
Interesting http://cryptome.org/2013-info/06/whistleblowing/whistleblowing.htm lists gov works, bankers, military, a call-centre-employee, health insurance PR, a few former NSA, CIA, FBI employees, people in sports and education, press, lawyers...
In this broad mix, how/why did so many within the US computer/CS/networking elite stay so silent? Did they feel it was just a domestic link to the FBI in continuous use?
Was the psychological profiling and testing of contractors near perfect Cash was great?
So few staff over so many product ranges over many years?

The record companies are setting the price. They hold an 18% share in Spotify. Still, Spotify is the only legal way for me to listen to music without buying shitloads of even more expensive albums each month. If artists want money from me directly, they need to skip the middle man.

The Guardian says it was an estimated 500 mL of water, so while it might not have actually been full it's kinda disconcerting that so much could leak in after about an hour and a half of a 6 and a half hour walk.

Unfortunately, we don't have one of those.

The UN(as its name might suggest) is representative(approximately, the details can be pretty ideosyncratic, and the Security Council is serious business) of Nations, not people. Given the revelations either connected to, or spurred by, about the spying programs various other countries(even the 'good guys', the fact that any 'bad guys' who can afford to do it are doing it has been known for ages), and other countries collaboration with the US spying program, do you feel lucky?

Heck, Mr. Secretary General himself, asserts that Snowden's 'digital misuse' has created problems.

I certainly wouldn't trust the Americans to operate internet infrastructure without spying on it; but the list of people I would so trust is Not Very Long(and none of them are in power).

Of course they're at war. This is one of the most incompetent and scientifically illiterate governments in living memory. It's packed full of lunatic ideologues like Ian Duncan Smith and Teresa May who sideline professional academic advice time and time again in favour of their own prejudices stupidity and ignorance. I just wish their misguided, harmful and plain unworkable policies wouldn't wreck this countries social and political fabric for generations to come. It would be funny if the human cost wasn't so high

And you know what? In spite of this, the main opposition is still unable to differentiate itself as a better alternative than this shower of charlatans, bigots and liars.

I despair at this country. I really do.

Of course they're at war. This is one of the most incompetent and scientifically illiterate governments in living memory. It's packed full of lunatic ideologues like Ian Duncan Smith and Teresa May who sideline professional academic advice time and time again in favour of their own prejudices stupidity and ignorance. I just wish their misguided, harmful and plain unworkable policies wouldn't wreck this countries social and political fabric for generations to come. It would be funny if the human cost wasn't so high

And you know what? In spite of this, the main opposition is still unable to differentiate itself as a better alternative than this shower of charlatans, bigots and liars.

I despair at this country. I really do.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/15/crux-nsa-collect-it-all

http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

"level it may not be too bad."
What would the UK gov like to memory hole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole ?
Some past stories that would be so tempting to just filter down just a bit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_Gun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakeknife
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/30/iraq-torture-allegations-uk-military-investigations-reopened
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163799/UK-soldiers-beat-innocent-Iraqi-men-black-ops-jails-new-secret-justice-law-means-torture-hidden-forever.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/24/undercover-officers-police-chief-met
http://www.information-age.com/technology/mobile-and-networking/123457043/ee-and-ipsos-mori-face-privacy-backlash-over-mobile-data-analysis
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9750403/MI6-codebreaker-Gareth-Williams-probably-locked-himself-into-sports-bag.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9337175/Soldiers-sacked-days-before-pension-date.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2127453/M16-1m-bribe-silence-torture-victim-Spies-gave-dissident-Gaddafi-thugs.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/11/gchq-staff-war-crimes-drones
With some "filter controls" for a few days after publication and pay walls long term, an individual in the UK could have their news just reshaped a bit long term.
Ideas like the http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2013/jun/14/what-are-secret-courts will shut the press out from some UK court reporting.
This mass filter idea might be the next step.
Australia shows the mission creep eg just for a few suspected fraud sites.
http://delimiter.com.au/2013/05/16/global-eyes-are-watching-eff-condemns-australias-new-internet-filter/

"level it may not be too bad."
What would the UK gov like to memory hole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole ?
Some past stories that would be so tempting to just filter down just a bit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_Gun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakeknife
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/30/iraq-torture-allegations-uk-military-investigations-reopened
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163799/UK-soldiers-beat-innocent-Iraqi-men-black-ops-jails-new-secret-justice-law-means-torture-hidden-forever.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/24/undercover-officers-police-chief-met
http://www.information-age.com/technology/mobile-and-networking/123457043/ee-and-ipsos-mori-face-privacy-backlash-over-mobile-data-analysis
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9750403/MI6-codebreaker-Gareth-Williams-probably-locked-himself-into-sports-bag.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9337175/Soldiers-sacked-days-before-pension-date.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2127453/M16-1m-bribe-silence-torture-victim-Spies-gave-dissident-Gaddafi-thugs.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/11/gchq-staff-war-crimes-drones
With some "filter controls" for a few days after publication and pay walls long term, an individual in the UK could have their news just reshaped a bit long term.
Ideas like the http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2013/jun/14/what-are-secret-courts will shut the press out from some UK court reporting.
This mass filter idea might be the next step.
Australia shows the mission creep eg just for a few suspected fraud sites.
http://delimiter.com.au/2013/05/16/global-eyes-are-watching-eff-condemns-australias-new-internet-filter/

"level it may not be too bad."
What would the UK gov like to memory hole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole ?
Some past stories that would be so tempting to just filter down just a bit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_Gun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakeknife
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/30/iraq-torture-allegations-uk-military-investigations-reopened
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163799/UK-soldiers-beat-innocent-Iraqi-men-black-ops-jails-new-secret-justice-law-means-torture-hidden-forever.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/24/undercover-officers-police-chief-met
http://www.information-age.com/technology/mobile-and-networking/123457043/ee-and-ipsos-mori-face-privacy-backlash-over-mobile-data-analysis
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9750403/MI6-codebreaker-Gareth-Williams-probably-locked-himself-into-sports-bag.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9337175/Soldiers-sacked-days-before-pension-date.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2127453/M16-1m-bribe-silence-torture-victim-Spies-gave-dissident-Gaddafi-thugs.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/11/gchq-staff-war-crimes-drones
With some "filter controls" for a few days after publication and pay walls long term, an individual in the UK could have their news just reshaped a bit long term.
Ideas like the http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2013/jun/14/what-are-secret-courts will shut the press out from some UK court reporting.
This mass filter idea might be the next step.
Australia shows the mission creep eg just for a few suspected fraud sites.
http://delimiter.com.au/2013/05/16/global-eyes-are-watching-eff-condemns-australias-new-internet-filter/

"level it may not be too bad."
What would the UK gov like to memory hole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole ?
Some past stories that would be so tempting to just filter down just a bit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_Gun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakeknife
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/30/iraq-torture-allegations-uk-military-investigations-reopened
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163799/UK-soldiers-beat-innocent-Iraqi-men-black-ops-jails-new-secret-justice-law-means-torture-hidden-forever.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/24/undercover-officers-police-chief-met
http://www.information-age.com/technology/mobile-and-networking/123457043/ee-and-ipsos-mori-face-privacy-backlash-over-mobile-data-analysis
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9750403/MI6-codebreaker-Gareth-Williams-probably-locked-himself-into-sports-bag.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9337175/Soldiers-sacked-days-before-pension-date.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2127453/M16-1m-bribe-silence-torture-victim-Spies-gave-dissident-Gaddafi-thugs.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/11/gchq-staff-war-crimes-drones
With some "filter controls" for a few days after publication and pay walls long term, an individual in the UK could have their news just reshaped a bit long term.
Ideas like the http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2013/jun/14/what-are-secret-courts will shut the press out from some UK court reporting.
This mass filter idea might be the next step.
Australia shows the mission creep eg just for a few suspected fraud sites.
http://delimiter.com.au/2013/05/16/global-eyes-are-watching-eff-condemns-australias-new-internet-filter/

If Bradley Manning wins 2013 Nobel Peace Prize and Snowden wins the 2014 one it should give a clear message to the US. Anyway, this is happening in Sweden and they are very friendly with the NSA, i doubt that it happens.

Saddam's was because there was no hope of a fair trial.

In other words, you don't have any evidence showing it to not have been fair... Got it.

Keep telling yourself that.

I don't need to. You accused me of posting "lies" but remain unable to identify a single one. Must be the Illiberal style of arguing or something...

As I said, stop lying. He didn't switch. This was already happening under Bush.

No, actually. Obama did switch. And people with better attention-spans than yours did notice. Bush used drones, when that was the only way to get the target. Obama uses them all the time — because he does not want to get stuck with "inconvenient prisoners" — Osama bin Laden being only the most (in)famous among them.

Bush didn't have to start a war in Afghanistan and Iraq

The war — maybe. But we were talking about the extrajudicial killings, which Bush ordered only when he had to, but Obama orders all the time. Simply to avoid putting new detainees at Gitmo. Wouldn't look good to Code Pink, ya know...

mess that Bush created

This is not the place to go for an overall Obama vs. Bush comparison. But on the particular matter of extrajudicial detentions vs. extrajudicial killings Bush wins hands down.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/oct/11/black-prison-population-increase-england

There was an update and a correction - doesn't really change the absolute numbers, but it does revise some of the comparison relative to the US penal system.

Doesn't mean the UK justice system is free of prejudice, but the correction does paint things in a slightly more forgiving light.

Citation

This man not only revealed a not-technically illegal surveillance program, he told other countries we were spying on them and revealed details about programs that aren't covered by any Consitutional protection. May as well go back and award the Peace Prize to the Rosenbergs because they helped make sure other countries had the bomb.

...So says the person who can neither provide reputable sources for those allegations or spell the word "constitutional." Nice try.

Snowden: I never gave any information to Chinese or Russian governments [2013-07-10]

Snowden: I never gave any information to Chinese or Russian governments [2013-07-10]