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Re:Overclocking
Every CPU can be pushed a bit more to the limit it has been given by god. You will get a faster system, without having to spend more money.
Money you could use to make the world a better place, or buy that girl next door some flowers. You can think of somthing yourself ... perhaps/hopefully.
If your oc'ed system didn't crash after 24hours of prime it won't do it while you're using your fav textprocessing tool, at least not because of the cpu. You just have to turn the speed back a notch, or some notches, if your oc'ed system is not stable.
WebTip: HardOCP.com.
If you have too much money ... you could just buy the highend CPU. Or buy one frequency step below the top end, save some hundred bucks, and feed a family in the 3rd world for some weeks.
Overclocking saves money. Saving money and spending it more wisely, will make the world a better place.
Sorry, always get carried away on that topic. -
a little excerciseI thought I'd help out the
/. community by providing a little practice for those people who are not interested in reading kernel release announcements but seem to still have trouble not clicking on the links.Below are four links - three are of interest to most people here, one probably is not. Try going through the list and ONLY following the links you like (repeat until you can do it almost every time), have fun!
How did you do? Just keep practicing with this list, and you'll be able to enjoy slashdot to the fullest in no time at all!
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More Reviews
There's a bunch of other good reviews of the set in all its forms and splendor.
Digit-Life
HardOCP
AnandTech
AMDDb
Via Hardware
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Re:is this a repeat? anyone remember?
I remember this as well. In fact, I bookmarked the site the first time around. I double checked the second I saw this article to make sure it was the same site. Sure enough...
It was either on here or on HardOCP, but I just don't remember. -
Re:Windows on Linux, not mac.
now that was some first post goodness....
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Re:PC Cases
Browse around here for a while. It might change your mind. I'm partial to the one with the flame job.
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This is already being done
Koolance have been doing this for the past year or so. Their cases look *alright*, but not great
:( They have two models, the 'silent' model and the overclockers model. Both are at least "pretty decent." [H]ard OCP have a review of the first one, and I think the overclockers model too. -
Re:OK. So....
I agree... [H]ard OCP did some great coverage of case mods... a lot of which people built from the ground up.
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Re:Any screenshots?
Actually, considering it'll be a console machine from Microsoft, you should be asking about the Green Screen of Death.
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Re:Bah...
Yeah, I'd rather have a video card that reduces video quality in my favorite games on purpose just to get better benchmark info too. Oh wait, no I wouldn't
I'm sick of ATI's bullshit, they've been poulling this kind of crap with their drivers for years.
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VIA
VIA already has their DDR P4 chipset/mainboard out. Too bad Intel is suing them over it.
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The CPL (probably more than you want to know)
Alright, for all of you who seem pretty uneducated about the Cyberathletes Professional League [thecpl.com] I'll try to fill you in. The CPL was formed several years ago (right around when StarCraft was the hottest game on everybody's list).
Generally there are several tournament's a year (one in the winter, one in the summer). This past event is held in Texas where some other tournaments are held as well (QuakeCon for one). Each CPL tournament has a featured game. This tournament's game was Counter-Strike.
The event hosts a Bring Your Own Computer Area, (for those who want to frag all through the night) as well as workshops, (HardOCP had one this year on overclocking) prize raffles/giveaways, and of course the tournaments.
This year there was also an Alien vs. Predator 2 Deathmatch tourney going on too. (Fatality of Quake3Arena fame wiped the floor with everyone and won a Ford Focus with a custom AVP2 paintjob) See Adrenaline Vault and TheCPL for photos.
The CStrike tourney was a 5 on 5 clan competition and players from all over the world come to compete in it. The prize money for the tournament totals to some $150,000 dollars and comes almost entirely from Sponsors. The fees that they charge for admission into the tournament go mostly to cover the expenses of the hotel, setup, etc. And while a $50,000 US purse may sound like a lot, after it gets divided 5 ways to $10,000 minus the cost of Food and Board and Airfare (When applicable) you might be a little bit surprised when you don't have as much money as you thought you had. And that really only applies to the winner! There are tons of people who come a long way and don't even make it into the top 100. But if the money were all the tournament was about then I think a lot of people wouldn't even bother going to one of these events. The tournament is mostly about having fun and working on becoming better at Video Games (LAN differs quite a bit from Online play).
One of the most amazing things about this tournament was the ability for Counter-Strike enthusiasts to be able to watch the Tournament on the internet with Half-Life. By joining a specially designed server, up to 80,000 people could have watched the final round (there were only 40 of 128 slots filled on the server I was on)
here's some info:
Speakeasy.net, Valve Software Launch 11 City Half-Life TV Network First-ever PC Game Broadcast Network built to support 80,000 Simultaneous Viewers Seattle - Broadband ISP Speakeasy.net and Kirkland based game developer Valve Software announced today the first ever launch of a fully national broadcast network of live video game coverage. The inaugural use of this network will give tens of thousands of viewers from around the world the best-possible spectator experience for the $150,000 Counter-Strike World Championships this week in Dallas, TX. The World Championships represent the largest of such competitions ever and is produced by the Dallas-based Cyberathlete Professional League. Speakeasy has partnered with Valve Software to support the largest broadcast installation ever using Valve's Half-Life TV server software. The software allows for anyone with a broadband connection and PC to connect to a live game and watch their favorite teams play as if they were playing along side them. Teams from Seattle to Sweden are flying in to compete in the four-day event; thousands more will stay home and watch the competition unfold live on the Speakeasy Network.
"Broadcasting the CPL finals to 80,000 viewers is an incredible achievement and a huge advance in our efforts to bring competitive gaming, and gaming in general, further into the mainstream," said Doug Lombardi, director of marketing at Valve. Spectators will be able to tune in to a live broadcast of the match simply by using their PC and installation of Half-Life, and will have the option of 11 different locations to choose from to guarantee the best experience.
"We have customers that are running cable from their PC to a large screen TV just to watch this," said Edward Bender, Director of Online Gaming for Speakeasy.net. "I think this event will definitely get more people to recognize competitive gaming as a spectator sport." Counter-Strike, the number one online action game in the world, is a team-based multiplayer game built atop Valve's award-winning game engine. Valve released the multicast spectator technology (aka Half-Life TV) as a free update earlier this year.
Read about how to use HLTV @- http://www.cs-extreme.net/guides/HLTV/HLTV.asp
I think we're not at the stage yet where this should be considered Professional Gaming. I don't think anyone can make a true living off of winnings from the CPL. Maybe someday it will reach that point, and this is a great step to getting there. Sorry for the long post! Hope it helped some of you learn about professional gaming. -
WowYou can really tell who's more experienced at this, can't you? The difference is startling.
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I'm never thinking about buying an ATI card again
.... after this fiasco.
For those who don't know, ATI was basiclly hacking their drivers, so that when someone ran Quake3, it turned down the quality of the rendering, so that you could get better framerates. They did this becaus emany 3D sites use Quake as a benchmark. More details, and a better description of what they did, can be found here.
Now, I know, "well in Linux, this wouldn't be an issue since the drivers are open source". Well guess what, WHO CARES? If a company is going to be this underhanded with its users, I sure as hell am not going to support them.
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You have to kill for an X Box???Give me a break. They are overflowing the shelves here. Everyone wants a Game Cube or the latest title for PS2.
Of course, who wants to have to experience the green screen of death in the middle of a game? The thing doesn't even have a 3 button keyboard with Ctrl-Alt-Del. As described on
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This sounds remarkably...
... familiar. Anyways, here are some obligatory links:
Koolance
Overclockers.com
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HardOCP have their review up
HardOCP have also ripped the guts outta the xbox, and their server seems to be a bit more responsive as well.
Plus I trust the hardocp guys a bit more than the average "look maw!Ii'm on the interweb!" reviewer -
LINKS.
If you missed the discussion in the first place.
The Register : As we say, if you like the 8500's Quake III frame-rate but aren't willing to put up with the dip in image quality, buy a different card. Or wait for ATI to change its drivers, which, we understand, it's in the process of doing.
HardOCP was the first to publish about this: The Facts As We See Them: It certainly seems to us here at [H]ardOCP that ATi has in fact included application specific instructions in their version 5.13.01.3276 Win2K drivers that make Quake 3 arena benchmarks faster by up to over 15%. Either way, the driver optimisations for Quake III are just one of the (many) factors that differentiate different vendors' products. ®
firingsquad show show some details how the quack.exe is made and concludes:
To some of us, it seems like the evidence points towards intentionally deceptive code designed not only to inflate benchmark scores, but also to keep anyone from finding out. To others, this is nothing more than an overreation to a perfectly legitimate game optimization. In our eyes, anyone who vehemently peddles either of these explanations is either naive or pushing an agenda of their own.
there later in Q&A with ati explains in 2 pages that :Our goal for the RADEON 8500 is and always has been to deliver the best possible gaming experience to our customers.
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Re:Poor unfortunates!
They Will be unhappy once they find ot that they now have much worse image quality.
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Re:Tell me again: How is this bad?
You were saying?
Hmm
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No more BSODMicrosoft has actually done something to guarantee against getting a Blue Screen of Death on their XBox systems.
It's now the Green Screen of Death.
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Re:Inadequate testing
Well I for one and most people I know who frequent places like HardForum the forum sister site to HardOCP use burn in programs like SiSoft Sandra's burn in program for at least 12 or so hours before we leave the overclock in place.
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ArrghIt pains me so to see people flush money down the drain.
In my experience (and this has been verified by hardOCP, anandtech, etc benchmarks), the only uniprocessor DDR motherboards worth buying over the VIA KT133A chipset are those with the VIA KT266A or AMD 76[01]. The ALi has been shown to perform _worse_ than a PC133-ram solution. Bad move.
65 degrees C? Anything over 50C is considered 'borderline'. AMD CPUs can take 90C iirc, but that's internal core temperature - the temperature that you see in the BIOS setup is an external temperature taken via a probe below the CPU socket.
Most of us tend to research major purchasing decisions before we make the plunge.
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Depends on which HardOCP article you beleive...
From an earlier HardOCP article...
"One thing that has been worth looking forward to is the addition of a thermal diode inside the core of the AXP CPU.This will for allow you to read the core temperature when the right hardware and software are present. You might have seen a famous hardware site make the statement on a video recently that even while their Palomino has a thermal diode in place, it burned up anyway when they removed the heatsink. Well, this was no fault of the AMD CPU, just the fault of the misinformed operator. You must have a board that has the ability to utilize the diode and also have the proper BIOS to facilitate a system shutdown in a high core temperature situation. Of course, making it work cooler now allows us to speed it up and make it work hotter later!"
Tom's is usually pretty accurate but he too has had some knocks on his credibility from time to time. I think the best thing we can take from this whole incident is never take any site's opinion as gospel. Always read several site reviews before making a decision about a product. -
Critical update/patch already out.
I guess Microsoft is showing its commitment to security, because we already have the first critical update for WinXP out.
Citing HardOCP:
Windows XP Update Package, October 25, 2001- Download size: 1.9 MB - This update resolves all critical issues that were found in Windows XP between August 2001 and October 2001, and is discussed in Microsoft Knowledge Base (KB) Article Q309521. Among the updates included in this package are several that eliminate security vulnerabilities. Download now to ensure that you have all the latest critical updates for Windows XP.
You'd think they'd at least hold onto the last release-candidate for a month or so to make sure no critical issues come up, before making it a master and sending it off to be pressed, no?
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This is interesting, but
Isn't there *ANYONE* out there who knows how to use a disassembler?
They make a big deal toward the end of the article about how when you open these drivers in a hex editor, you see this. They go into a lot of trouble trying to figure out whether this means what it seems to mean.
Could someone disassemble these drivers and find out what purpose, exactly, the cryptic "uake" string is serving?
And maybe, if you've got lots of spare time on your hands, work out beyond this if there is any clear idea of what, exactly, the quake3-specific things are these drivers are doing?
Note to do either of the above, you may have to be either an anonymous coward, in a country where you have a right to reverse-engineer things...
If i still used an ATI 3d card, i would be quite definitely miffed at this discovery for the sole reason that i don't play quake 3, and i would be quite put out if ATI *could* have optimized *all* my 3d apps, but to save cost only bothered doing this with quake 3... -
Re:A gamer's point of view...
Here is what the GSOD[hardocp.com]looks like
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Interesting PictureFound this interesting picture of a screenshot from an XBox console having problems loading a file.
Don't know if it's authentic though
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Think of the Athlons...
This just gives Kyle more reasons to burn out CPUs pushing them too damned far. The poor little dears, stressed to death trying to find the limits of cooling methodolgies...
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Re:Model Numbers
"SPEC benchmarks are all legitimate, real world applications (or do you consider gcc to be a toy benchmark?). Where are you getting your information from?"
Check out the Anandtech review of the new Athlons referenced in the Slashdot article, or the HardOCP review, or the Tom's Hardware review.
There you'll see the AthlonXP1800 beating or matching the P4 2GHZ in the majority of real-world benchmarks. When I say "real-world" benchmarks, I mean games, office applications, and graphics apps that are what the majority of people use 99%. As seen in SPEC's own FAQ, "Typically, the best measure of a system is your own application with your own workload".
SPEC benchmarks are designed to be purely CPU intensive, although I'm sure they stress the memory subsystem somewhat as well. Unlike "real-world benchmarks", they're designed specifically to stress the rest of the system as little as possible. This makes SPEC benchmarks valuable in the sense that you can compare one CPU to another more-or-less directly, but this has the downside of not making SPEC results directly relevant to day-to-day computing tasks.
Talking about SPEC benchmarks is sort of like talking about the "potential" that athletes had before they entered the big leagues. It's interesting, but doesn't really matter. What matters is how they actually perform in real situations. -
[H]ard|OCP Review
The good ol' guys at [H]ard|OCP have a review of the Athlon XP as well. It can be found here.
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As seen on HardOCP.com - P3, Tuys in Slot1
HardOCP.com sez:
There will be a few of you excited about this. Powerleap has put together an adapter that will allow you to stick a S370 Tualatin chip on your current Slot 1 mainboard. Looks as if some of you might have some server upgrade options that you did not before. w00t!!1
The PL-iP3/T(TM) employs patented technologies to adapt Slot 1 systems to the voltage and signal requirements of the new generation of Intel's Pentium III (FC-PGA2) and Celeron-II (FC-PGA2) processors. With the PL-iP3/T(TM), a typical* P-III system can reach speeds up to 1.26 GHz with the latest Pentium III-S CPUs (133 MHz FSB required), and up to 1.2 GHz when used with the latest Celeron-II CPUs (100 MHz FSB required). -
A bit yanked from hardocp.comI snatched this from [H]ard|OCP since it was pretty darned relevent.
Regarding the AMD - Gateway stories, just remember that AMD isn't "suffering a blow" per se, as some people have been saying in relationship to this article. PC Sales have slumped BAD over the last year, Gateway and Dell have both been laying people off...etc. These are extremely tough times right now everywhere...not just the PC sector. Things are going to be rough for a while.
In response to stories today about AMD's business relationship with Gateway, please consider the following information:
Gateway continues to sell the Gateway Select 1400, a performance PC based on the 1.4GHz AMD Athlon(tm) processor. ( http://www.gateway.com/home/price/1000_1500.shtml ) AMD plans to continue working with Gateway to determine how AMD can help meet the needs of Gateway's customers. Computer manufacturers refresh their product offerings on a cyclical basis throughout the year. We work with them during each design cycle to determine how AMD's processors can meet the needs of their customers. This is an ongoing process, and we are always competing for business.
AMD's products are used by computer manufacturers around the globe. AMD's OEM partners sell more AMD processor-based systems today than ever before in the company's 32-year history. In the most recently-completed quarter, AMD experienced record unit microprocessor sales of our award-winning AMD Athlon and AMD Duron processors. In addition, AMD's worldwide unit market share for x86 processors has risen from 16.2 percent in Q499 to greater than 22 percent for Q201, according to Mercury Research. AMD today has the most diverse microprocessor portfolio in the company's history. We are providing our partners with leading solutions for desktop and notebook computers, and multiprocessor servers and workstations. -
Re:A little hard to believeTell that to Kyle Bennet over at HardOCP... As detailed here, you can cook them all too easily. Quote from that page:- "AMD has told us in CERTAIN TERMS that the 1GHz TBird WILL BURN UP IN EIGHT SECONDS without proper cooling."
Gigihertz chips were expensive when that happened, too.
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Under Marketing 1400MHz = Athlon 4 1600Possibly AMD are under marketing here, a Palomino
athlon @1400 is by most benchmarks (except quake),
about as fast as an P4 @2 GHz, see the HardOCP review.
So AMD aren't really
extending there numbers has far as they could.
I guess AMD are trying to keep the Athlon brand
image by still winning the all benchmarks.
An Athlon-4 1600 will still comfortably beat
the P4-1600 at almost all benchmarks except
quake 3 (Athlon might just win at quake 3 too given an Nforce MB) and SPEC.
Like Tom says AMD have to do this because they
just can't sell to Joe Sixpack based on true
performance only on the single performance rating.
AMD just announced that its revenues will
be down 15% this quarter, which translates to a
big loss. OEMs seem to force Athlon prices to be
slightly lower than a P4, clock for clock. Now
with Intel selling P4s from 1.3 to 1.5 at $133, AMD just can't get much over a 100 bucks for its top CPU, and at those price they just can't make any money.
If AMD do somelike.
Athlon 4 @ 1400GHz = Model 1600
Athlon 4 @ 1533GHz = Model 1750
Athlon 4 @ 1600GHz = Model 1850
Athlon 4 @ 1733GHz = Model 2000
Then assuming they can actually make these chips,
and get OEMs to buy them near P4 prices (Model
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i wonder
if amd is just getting scared about the preformance reviews that are gettting posted? like the one at [H]ard|OCP which shows that AMD is keeping up, but still be out done by the pentium. I know, I know "but the pentium is 600mhz faster than the amd in the tests"; by the time amd gets their 2.2ghz chip out there to compete with the intel 2ghz, intel will have a faster one out there for people to test. after all intel is starting to take the lead in the chip speeds.
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Re:Makes sense to me...
Which is the marketing scheme? The faster MHz? Or the better chip????
The faster MHz. Even people who ought to know better are looking at AMD's move as a "dirty trick" (*ahem*). But faster MHz, even though it's pretty much a pure marketing move, makes news headlines, and even those who know better are tempted to say, "Gee, still, 2GHz is really fast" even though its speed is comparable to a 1.4GHz Athlon4.
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Re:Makes sense to me...
Which is the marketing scheme? The faster MHz? Or the better chip????
The faster MHz. Even people who ought to know better are looking at AMD's move as a "dirty trick" (*ahem*). But faster MHz, even though it's pretty much a pure marketing move, makes news headlines, and even those who know better are tempted to say, "Gee, still, 2GHz is really fast" even though its speed is comparable to a 1.4GHz Athlon4.
When people call your marketing strategy a marketing strategy, and even more when they call it a "dirty trick" (*ahem*), then you're not doing as good of a job at marketing as your competitor whose marketing strategy is difficult for people to recognize as such. -
Re:Makes sense to me...
Which is the marketing scheme? The faster MHz? Or the better chip????
The faster MHz. Even people who ought to know better are looking at AMD's move as a "dirty trick" (*ahem*). But faster MHz, even though it's pretty much a pure marketing move, makes news headlines, and even those who know better are tempted to say, "Gee, still, 2GHz is really fast" even though its speed is comparable to a 1.4GHz Athlon4.
When people call your marketing strategy a marketing strategy, and even more when they call it a "dirty trick" (*ahem*), then you're not doing as good of a job at marketing as your competitor whose marketing strategy is difficult for people to recognize as such. -
Roundup of Reviews...
Let's see, we have a Firingsquad review...
An AnandTech review.
And let's not forget ExtremeTech's review.
And finally Kyle and the gang at [H]ardOCP did a review.
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HardOCP
As always HardOCP comes through with a great review here They put the P4 up a notch (OF COURSE) and also put it up against an A4 @ 1.4GHz. Basically a lot of the same, but you can see that this is by no means a "win" for intel as some reviews have put it.
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More...More reviews:
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Re:Be wary of Athlon for games
Unfortunately, most new Asus boards use VIA chipsets, which have a reputation for stablity problems and serious hardware compatability issues. (SBLive owners know what I'm talking about!)
Reportedly, the new crop of KT266 boards are much better than the first.
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Re:OK I'll bite. As a long-time "AMDroid"...
UPDATE: Via is also making a chipset for the p4 that allows you to use ddr. Here's linkage.
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fsck off!
leave the hardware reviews to the pros and STFU!!!!
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Anyone Interested in the FACTS, Click Below
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Re:IntelLet's have a look at the cold, hard facts, then, shall we?
First, let's get this clear that I really don't give a shit about whether AMD can get better FP performance than a Pentium IV, because I don't use CAD/CAM applications, and frankly, FP is NOT everything. With that said, I present the Quake III benchmarks. Notice, if you will, the page before it which contains the WebMark results for the respective chips, something else that is important to me.
Also notice this, which is the Pentium IV's superior performance in OpenGL, even under high-quality graphics modes.
AMD also tends to have notoriously unstable motherboard chipsets, as most hardware reviewers will tell you.
Now, I trust you will retract your statement that I am talking out my "a$$," as you so elegantly put it? Or are you going to keep trolling?
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Re:IntelLet's have a look at the cold, hard facts, then, shall we?
First, let's get this clear that I really don't give a shit about whether AMD can get better FP performance than a Pentium IV, because I don't use CAD/CAM applications, and frankly, FP is NOT everything. With that said, I present the Quake III benchmarks. Notice, if you will, the page before it which contains the WebMark results for the respective chips, something else that is important to me.
Also notice this, which is the Pentium IV's superior performance in OpenGL, even under high-quality graphics modes.
AMD also tends to have notoriously unstable motherboard chipsets, as most hardware reviewers will tell you.
Now, I trust you will retract your statement that I am talking out my "a$$," as you so elegantly put it? Or are you going to keep trolling?
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Re:IntelLet's have a look at the cold, hard facts, then, shall we?
First, let's get this clear that I really don't give a shit about whether AMD can get better FP performance than a Pentium IV, because I don't use CAD/CAM applications, and frankly, FP is NOT everything. With that said, I present the Quake III benchmarks. Notice, if you will, the page before it which contains the WebMark results for the respective chips, something else that is important to me.
Also notice this, which is the Pentium IV's superior performance in OpenGL, even under high-quality graphics modes.
AMD also tends to have notoriously unstable motherboard chipsets, as most hardware reviewers will tell you.
Now, I trust you will retract your statement that I am talking out my "a$$," as you so elegantly put it? Or are you going to keep trolling?
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My quiet case project : it's an answer ... sort of
Well, it seem these days, most of the power user just care to get something like 200fps in Quake III. Why ? Beat's me ! I'm not on a quest to get the ultimate frame rate, I just want my box to be quiet as possibly can be.
To help you understand my take on the subject, here is the background
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My PC has the following components :- A OEM case
- A 235W OEM power supply
- ASUS P3B-F
- Intel Pentium II rated 400Mhz @ 400Mhz
- A cheap OEM SECC2 Heat-Sink made of aluminum
- A 128MB CAS2 no-name DIMM
- Two 32MB CAS3 Samsung DIMM slowing down my memory timing, but preventing the appearance of the all mighty evil SwaP
- A ATI All-In-Wonder Rage128 16MB
- A Creative SoundBlaster Live! Value
- A Realtek 8139 Ethernet NIC
- My beloved USR 56Kbps ISA Real Modem. Sorry but to me a component that uses CPU power to do it's processing instead of taking the load off is not worthy of being in my computer. Not to mention the M$ Win part...
- A Creative 48x CD-ROM drive. It's the loudest damned thing in my computer when it's spinning
- A Quantum Fireball AS PLUS 40GB (7200RPM) in a removable tray
- A Quantum Fireball CX1 10GB (5400RPM) mounted inside the case
- Of course the stupid old 1.44 MB floppy drive only used for booting Tomsbrt in case of emergency
Soon to be
:
- A Adaptec 2940UW
- A Diamond Monster 3D II for Glide games
It turn out that the Quantum Fireball AS makes less noise than the Quantum Fireball CX1. I still have to figure it out
...I use my PC for
:
- Running Linux and learning as much as time allows me (Jez I had so much time when I was a student... Think of all the time I wasted in High-School running the evil W monster)
- Doing some gaming i.e. : Diablo II, Unreal, UT, Undying (Although that thing is going to cost me a new box)
- Spending numerous nights filling my brain @ Slashdot, Tomshardware, Anandtech, Arstechnica, StorageReview, Developper.Intel.com, and most importantly, hounding the web for all the case manufacturers and their take at a quiet box.
As I'm writing this post, that is probably going to be the base documentation for my Silent Case Project, you're guessing that my sleepless night of browsing have not yielded the desired result.
I've check out many options such as water cooling, moving the PC to the closet, returning to the forest where a PC is pretty far from your everyday quest for survival. None of them suits me.
The objective of my project is to build a case that meets the following criteria
:
- A silent as possible
- Accessible
- Provides sufficient ventilation to maintain all the components running within thermal specs
- Be light enough to be easily transportable (Let's not forget the Lan parties
;-)
To attain those goals I have to
:- Read all I can about noise, sound, aerodynamics, PC specs
- Find suitable materials : A case is not just a protection against unwanted fingers and dust ; it must provide EMI shielding, proper grounding, resist to impacts, and fit into my conception of the king of object you want in your bedroom (If you were thinking about plywood and a box of rusted leftover nails, forget it)
- Find the tools or the companies or individuals with the means to work the materials I choose to build the casing
For the sound isolation I was thinking about some kind of foam. Mineral lint would be affective but that takes too much space and it's not the kind of thing I want beside my bed. Form the casing itself, metal is almost inevitable if you want EMI shielding and grounding. And as for you who wonder why I have not mentioned water cooling yet, the greatest source of noise is not my CPU cooler and your just moving the problem out of the case (Nice ; you have water heating up but unless your reservoir is like a bathtub or something you will have to transfer the heat for the water to the air).
That about as far as I am. If you have any idea that might help me, please fell free to send me some bits forming ASCII characters at Prozzaks@operamail.com
To finish up, here is a list of thing that might help people wanting to achieve similar goals
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- http://www.formfactors.org/ You should be able to find all the documents regarding the ATX form factor and thermal design guides. A must if you want to build a quiet PC.
- http://developer.intel.com/ Intel has contributed a great deal to the ATX definition ; here you will find many relevant documents including thermal design guides for all Intel processors.
- Etract from my favorite's :
Hardware\cases PC CASE
Fong Kai
PowerOn
Enlight Corporation
dir.yahoo Enclosures Manufacturers
procase
YY Computer
Psi
IN WIN
Amtrade
American Suntek
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