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I had this problem several years back with an HP I bought...

Was having trouble with the AGP, did some research, and found that there were updated drivers available. But nobody could tell me what was on my motherboard.

Look harder next time. Put in your serial number and it'll tell you every part in your system.

These days I run into the same thing very routinely with Dell machines. Two different machines built to the same specifications might wind up with significantly different hardware inside.

Same thing with Dell. Put in your express service code, then click "Original System Configuration." The information is out there you just need to look.

I work for a large (global) web hosting company, and I'd just like to counter the 'low cost of RAM' idea... Yes, most RAM is cheap, but when you start looking at 'large data sets', cheap is a relative term.

For example, the HP DL580 G7 can hold a Terabyte of RAM, but to do so it uses 16GB DIMMs, at $1000 each. http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product/sku/5100299/mfg_partno/500666-B21

When you add that up, it's $64,000 just for RAM in ONE server. And we don't sell it to you, (in fact we only lease it from HP ourselves) we add a ridiculous additional monthly charge to your bill, well above what it costs us. Also keep in mind, anybody spending that kind of money has a multiple times redundant system... So, no, I would not call it 'low cost'.

HP many years ago integraded with brocade switches. There was always an admin password to most HP device at the enterprise level: the cited storage array + fibre switch or tape library robot. However most only worked with physical access to either operator panel or serial port.

Now that IP has been for a few years the new serial port I predict many more devices in the future will have their firmware/management ports compromised. I think its SOP in large vendor enterprise to build such into your systems.

At some point you have to trust the guy inside the datacenter. What scares me is many Datacenter grade IP/KVMs, and other embedded devices are in now SMB and moving into the house.

To be honest its saved my bacon when the OP before me took the secret sauce passwords to Davy Jones locker.

That's just it, though:

When they go out of scope, the object is destroyed... The C++ compiler knows when the object goes out of scope and will call the destructor at that time.

Which means the destructor now needs to be called, along with whatever code the 'delete' keyword actually compiles to. And again, this is extra bytes of code.

But, again, I'd be surprised if a GC-based language wouldn't use reference counting. Perl, for example, uses reference counting exclusively *because* it's much faster than other schemes. It has the same drawback that C++ has which is that circular references may leak.

Well, and I know for a fact Java, Ruby, and any sane JavaScript interpreter at least has some sort of actual garbage collector, vaguely like mark-and-sweep, so they don't have to deal with circular references. Once they have that, I don't see the point of reference counting.

As I said, there's not much more to reference counting other than incrementing a value when the object is assigned a new owner and decrementing that same value when it's being released. The allocation is done once and there is a single delete.

It's that value, plus the actual delete.

If you have a link to that paper I'd like to see it.

Not readily. I think the best I can do at the moment is point out that the wikipedia article seems to agree with me. There's also this, which again suggests that garbage collection can match or beat malloc/free -- and that's without mentioning refcounting, which brings some additional overhead of its own.

When delete is called (or free in C), the memory used by the object is made available immediately. This requires a call to the C or C++ library, if that's what you mean, but this is not a system call.

Right -- this is what I mean by the smart, optimized way. It's not a system call every time (though it is sometimes), and it isn't entirely without cost.

But because it's not a system call, the memory is only available to this program immediately, which is why I'd imagine (though I don't have a link to back it up) that on an embedded system, if you were particularly starved for memory, you might want to make it immediately available to other programs, which necessarily involves talking to the system.

I think someone has missed Windows Phone 7 and the tablets Microsoft will be releasing shortly.

Windows Phone is already out in Europe. We'll see how well it fares. Personally, I'm not impressed by the many restrictions (more than in iPhone!), but then I'm a geek. If I were buying a phone as a present for my mom, I'd look into it alongside iPhone.

HP Slate 500 (running Windows 7) is also out. It's rather telling that they've put it into business laptops and PCs section of their website, though. The reviews so far have not been all that positive, from what I've seen - it certainly does some things great (like e.g. running Outlook or other Windows software, or pen digitizer mode for handwritten notes), but as a "consumption gadget" a la iPad, it falls short - the main issue seems to be that it's not as "silky smooth" (i.e. responsive) as Apple devices. No surprise there considering the OS. Overall I'd buy one as opposed to iPad, if I weren't waiting for Notion Ink Adam already...

Just bring me something that Courier was supposed to be. I want it, I need it! Combine that with environment like Windows where everyone can freely develop their software and include things like XNA and Xbox Live and you have a wonderful product on your hands!

Somehow I suspect that, were tablets with specialized OS to come out, they'd be more aligned with Windows Phone - with respect to software restrictions as well. And did you see the list of "can't" on WP?

Just remembering and poking around, I found these guys that were running wireless Linux routers in October 98.

The Open-WRT project was soliciting ideas at least in 1999.

Someone at HP was working on this in 1996. I don't know how far they got before 1998.

I'm suspecting there were other projects back then making good progress. But I can't tell how applicable these are. The HP project is sure interesting.

With this, Mac OS X users get all their OS updates automatically from one place. Too bad Microsoft & the various BSD & Linux vendors are not able to do this too.

PS: HP does this too for the HP-UX Java releases (except for the automatic updates): http://www.hp.com/go/java

PPS: Java IS part of the OS because without Java you cannot run Minecraft. :-)

No... read again. If you run a TPM module (BAD certificate... HP how could you fuck up the certificate on a article on a TPM product... :X :X ) you get:

" HP-UX Trusted Computing Services (HP-UX TCS) provides software support for hardware-enforced key management "

Meaning that the TPM provider already providedd some means to create a unique identification, supported by $$$ hardware. HP determines what you can do wiht this id. You don't owe that hardware, HP does. But TPM hardware is required for trusted booting. Why add som cheap software hack is the TPM hardware has this capability. and you cannot apply the cheap software hack to simple software because the environment is not trusted (malware infested or virtualized)

N900. Not locked down from the start.

Back in May, I went to three cell phone stores in my home town in the midwestern United States and none had an N900 for me to try.

or a PMP

Lockdown on the iPods was added eventually, but the first one I bought I loaded iPodLinux on.

No longer available for sale.

or a PDA

iPaq

Those are still in stock, but the $299 model appears to have only 0.25 GB of flash compared to 8 GB of flash for the $229 iPod touch. And are there enough like-minded WM6 PDA owners to make developing software for WM6 PDAs viable?

I'm thinking the current IT disaster by EADS
I think you might mean EDS rather than EADS.

If you go to the HP site, Windows 7 drivers are available, both for 32 and 64 bit...that link I put up is to the 32-bit version.

Christ! HP is already selling one.

Yeah. It's a product. How much? About $250K list with eight X7560 processors (64 cores/128 threads) and the 2TB of RAM. Other vendors are pretty much in line with this I believe - I haven't done comparatives on this box yet. The premium on 8GB and 16GB DIMMs isn't as much as you might think any more. They were horrible recently though. I hear Samsung is sampling a 32GB DIMM. No word on if it'll slot into these servers.

TCO is a different question - not my specialty.

The Palm Pre and Pixi have optional wireless chargers, and as I had a Pre, I can say it worked great and the charge time of wired vs wireless was almost the same. With a new back holding the charging coil, the weight was almost nothing on the phone side. Put one in my car as a mobile docking station, and loved it. Now if they only put a EVO sized screen on a Pre it would be perfect. http://www.shopping.hp.com/product/handheld/categories/palm/1/accessories/FB300AA%2523AC3;HHOJSID=hq1gMTPGvpKRTN0tQbjCQ3rSrlHvwSLRkPkz5579v79zvbKdqTJL!1977121832

It looks like just plain garbage coding.
I noticed this on the website:
Does it matter which browser I use? Does it have to be a certain version?
For the best experience, we recommend Mozilla Firefox 1.07 and above, Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 and above, Opera 8.0 and above or Apple Safari 1.1 and above. http://h30187.www3.hp.com/page/p/title/faq
That faq looks equally bad in IE8 and Chrome. Take a look at the source, it's a mess.

what they do compete with is probably limited to server markets where HP just doesn't have that much moxy.

Are you kidding? HP has been #1 in the server market for 8 straight years. A lot of Oracle stuff runs on HP equipment, and Hurd knows enough about HPs marketing and internals to help Oracle squeeze better margins out of HP.

A change in CEO does not mean a change in direction. Did you notice any change in direction when Fiorina was replaced by Hurd? Guess what, there won't be any change in direction with Hurd's successor either. The policies are put in place by the Board of Directors and the President carries them out. Then the Board blames the President for the bad policies, replaces the President, and the cycle repeats. Any real change in direction would require a change in the Board. Note that any remaining Hewletts or Packards were kicked off the Board a long time ago.

Sample of one? http://hplies.com/ http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&docname=c01087277 http://support.apple.com/kb/ts2377 http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1215037160521.html http://en.community.dell.com/dell-blogs/Direct2Dell/b/direct2dell/archive/2008/09/12/nvidia-gpu-update-limited-warranty-enhancement-details.aspx

I'll just leave this here.
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Operating-systems-and-software/New-laptop-harddrive-non-OEM-Vista-disk/m-p/314927

So get one of these. Touch screens for PCs have been around for years, it's just that a Minority-Report style interface is going to destroy your shoulders a whole lot faster than a mouse will hurt your elbow.

The linked page of former HP CEOs is one of the most pathetic web pages I've ever seen from a company of the stature of HP. The horrible, unflattering thumbnail-sized photos. The description of their careers, which basically amounts to "this person lived for a period of time and worked for HP." What the hell kind of company puts this material on their website?

If you click on them, you get some details on their tenure at HP. Interestingly, Hurd's is a 404.

hp.com for one

The linked page of former HP CEOs is one of the most pathetic web pages I've ever seen from a company of the stature of HP. The horrible, unflattering thumbnail-sized photos. The description of their careers, which basically amounts to "this person lived for a period of time and worked for HP." What the hell kind of company puts this material on their website?

I just covered Ant-based load balancing on communications networks in a distributed systems class. Here's the paper we read. It's an easy read, and quite interesting.

http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/96/HPL-96-76.pdf

Here is the driver for an entry level multifunction printer. Look under "HP Deskjet Basic Drivers"

Thinking more of business grade devices? Here is the driver for a business grade multifunction printer. Again, look under "HP Officejet Basic Print and Scan Driver"

I'm sorry to say it, but you are empirically wrong.

Here is the driver for an entry level multifunction printer. Look under "HP Deskjet Basic Drivers"

Thinking more of business grade devices? Here is the driver for a business grade multifunction printer. Again, look under "HP Officejet Basic Print and Scan Driver"

I'm sorry to say it, but you are empirically wrong.

The paper was preliminary to begin with. It is currently withdrawn in order to fix minor typos and because currently "enough unresolved issues with the paper exist to foster a healthy sense of skepticism". This is a good thing for now.

The original discussion was in a Google Doc but has since moved to a wiki.

Info: Previous post explaining the proof more clearly
Paper (not wort reading for most of us)

At least one of HP board members, Marc L. Andreessen, also serves on another board. Ebay Inc. in his case.

It would be interesting to make a graph of all the interconnected board members of US corporations. Wouldn't that be a sight.

Your brain came to the conclusion that post was predicting the future? Your brain make up stories like that when you don't show awareness? Maybe the statement was based on HP's benchmark. Read HP vaules @ http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-information/about-hp/corporate-objectives.html to enlighten your brain. Mark showed uncompromising integrity in resigning and that makes Mark & HP look better right now. In that sense, I can agree with comments.

VinayDeolalikar has a direct link to his most recently updated version of his paper, "P is not equal to NP". 6th August, 2010 on his personal page on HP Labs' website.

VinayDeolalikar has a direct link to his most recently updated version of his paper, "P is not equal to NP". 6th August, 2010 on his personal page on HP Labs' website.

VinayDeolalikar has a direct link to his most recently updated version of his paper, "P is not equal to NP". 6th August, 2010 on his personal page on HP Labs' website.

VinayDeolalikar has a direct link to his most recently updated version of his paper, "P is not equal to NP". 6th August, 2010 on his personal page on HP Labs' website.

VinayDeolalikar has a direct link to his most recently updated version of his paper, "P is not equal to NP". 6th August, 2010 on his personal page on HP Labs' website.

VinayDeolalikar has a direct link to his most recently updated version of his paper, "P is not equal to NP". 6th August, 2010 on his personal page on HP Labs' website.

VinayDeolalikar has a direct link to his most recently updated version of his paper, "P is not equal to NP". 6th August, 2010 on his personal page on HP Labs' website.

VinayDeolalikar has a direct link to his most recently updated version of his paper, "P is not equal to NP". 6th August, 2010 on his personal page on HP Labs' website.

VinayDeolalikar has a direct link to his most recently updated version of his paper, "P is not equal to NP". 6th August, 2010 on his personal page on HP Labs' website.

VinayDeolalikar has a direct link to his most recently updated version of his paper, "P is not equal to NP". 6th August, 2010 on his personal page on HP Labs' website.

VinayDeolalikar has a direct link to his most recently updated version of his paper, "P is not equal to NP". 6th August, 2010 on his personal page on HP Labs' website.

VinayDeolalikar has a direct link to his most recently updated version of his paper, "P is not equal to NP". 6th August, 2010 on his personal page on HP Labs' website.

VinayDeolalikar has a direct link to his most recently updated version of his paper, "P is not equal to NP". 6th August, 2010 on his personal page on HP Labs' website.

VinayDeolalikar has a direct link to his most recently updated version of his paper, "P is not equal to NP". 6th August, 2010 on his personal page on HP Labs' website.

VinayDeolalikar has a direct link to his most recently updated version of his paper, "P is not equal to NP". 6th August, 2010 on his personal page on HP Labs' website.

VinayDeolalikar has a direct link to his most recently updated version of his paper, "P is not equal to NP". 6th August, 2010 on his personal page on HP Labs' website.

He has also seemingly updated the paper after receiving some feedback. This is the link to a version dated today: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Vinay_Deolalikar/Papers/pnp_updated.pdf

I didn't see this elsewhere in the comments.

Here is a link to the paper off of Dr. Deolalikar's official website at HP. It appears to be rather slow, but is loading eventually.

No, it's TeX. And while there are lots of stupid people on the Internet these days, the sheer depth of your stupidity is rather extraordinary. You're not capable of identifying the editor used to write a document, you cannot be bothered to look up the paper's author (Vinay Deolalikar) before attacking him, and you link to two blog posts written by Aaronson that you clearly haven't read (or if you have, that you're not smart enough to even begin to understand). How does it feel to be a poster boy for Dunning-Kruger?

Mark Hurd's bio disappeared from HP's site:
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/bios/hurd.html

His motto was:
"Everything we do must be for the customer. If it's not, then we need to reconsider why we're doing it."
http://web.archive.org/web/20071226095057/http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/bios/hurd.html

He should have tried to respect it...

IIRC HP quit the calculator business.

Really?

Sure, and a PC runs rings around Cell phones. That does not make them great calculators however, as it's the tiny math related buttons you want.

Something like these is probably what the OP was talking about.