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I remember borrowing an old Wyse terminal from work and hooking it up to my Apple IIGS running GNO/ME (GNO Multitasking Environment. Check here: http://www.hypermall.com/companies/procyon/gnome.html).

It's kind of cool that all this still works in current-day Linux. There's not many dumb terminals around any more for sure unless you're using an IBM Mainframe I guess. I suspect they still use 3270's.

shrug. sure, if you want it, take it, it's yours.

I realized a second after I hit submit that I missed a word. I should have written

"live free or die? hell no! these chains could have resale value."

ps- if you haven't read it since school,
http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/henry-liberty.html

One of the issues that Real ID adresses is to cut down on issuing DL's to those that have had them revoked. Its a common occurance for John Doe to loose his license in state X so he drives across the state lines, and gets an license from state Y. States do have reciprocity. but it takes years for the records to catch up to you.

I am a victim, er survivor is more appropriate, of this. One day while riding my bike I was hit by a moving van, from Bekins. I lived in one state, where the accident happened, and the driver had moved to that state when the state he moved from issued a warrant for his arrest. Even though I now live with a permanent disability I still oppose a national ID. I care more about liberty than safety, "Give me liberty or give me death."

Real ID helps to make sure the plastic card s being issued to the person it say it is.

Only until it's cracked and can be forged, in the meanwhile all it will do is make people feel safe. Until it is abused, and that will happen, as with everything thing else government will abuse it's new powers.

Falcon

Others have corrected your misinformation regarding lack of operating system.

Also, there is a UNIX-like multitasking shell for the GS: http://www.hypermall.com/companies/procyon/gnome.html

For 8 bit Apple IIs, there are a few C compilers too. The most well known one is HyperC.

The problem is unions and government regulations. Try firing someone. You have a union to deal with.

Both unions and government regulations are an attempt at leveling the playing field between big business and the little guy working his or her heart out, obeying the rules and paying most of the taxes. When big corporations feel like they're paying too much in property taxes, they threaten a locality or state that they'll move and take their jobs with them. States and localities immediately pony up tax abatements. If you try this, your state congressman will tell you, "You're free to move wherever you wish."

In non-union shops, corporations must go through their own red tape to fire someone. Presently, that takes a number of weeks because corporations don't want to be sued. I suppose, were I to use your argument, corporations ought to be able to fire women who become pregnant while on the job (the sheer effrontery of them!) because the amount of time they'll be away having a child and initially bonding with their child will reduce corporate profits. Because that will affect the bottom line, corporations should be able to find that, since there is birth control and these foolish women have chosen -- of their own free will -- to harm the corporate interest by getting pregnant, they have cause to fire with impunity.

Unfortunately for these corporations, federal law seems to differ.

You're decrying unions for having made it nigh impossible to fire workers, including workers who may be discriminated against and saying the unions are to blame for this and all the while you are ignoring the fact that the corporations willingly (and with a battery of corporate attorneys present) signed these agreements with their eyes open and with full knowledge of what these contracts mean. Unions usually don't write these contracts. Corporations do. Unions negotiate with these corporations and try to derive solutions that work best for their membership. And it's a losing game, as you will note that -- over time -- the number of union-represented workers has steadily diminished in the US

Do you know that ERISA law is superseded by a collective bargaining agreement? In other words, federal law allows for these agreements to create "perma-temp" workers who have none of the job protections in typical union contracts. Unions have been coaxed by corporations into signing collective bargaining agreements that create a "second tier" to workers with fewer benefits and rights in the workplace? Did you know that the most recent UAW contract with the automotive manufacturers creates a "two tier" workplace with the new hires getting considerably fewer benefits for their union membership than people they're working alongside who were hired a number of months earlier?

China kills US manufacturing because it has less regulation than the US plants. Can you believe that a US plant has to not only pay property tax but a tool tax on the machines? Ol' Patrick Henry would roll over in his grave.

China has many of the same laws you decry on the books. China just chooses to not enforce their own laws where party officials are the owners of the businesses being regulated. This is very similar to the US EPA refusing to regulate greenhouse gases because cronies of the current administration own coal-fired power plants.

Patrick Henry's main issue in his "...give me liberty or give me death" speech was one of representation. He was speaking before the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (which was not then the capitol) in favor of raising a local militia to oppose the Royal Marine regiment under the orders of Lieutenant-Governor Dunmore in Williamsburg (the capitol). The Lieutenant-Governor was working to prevent the colonists from rising up in defense of their right of self-government.

But I note you're a supporter of Ron Paul. I t

and remember - privacy is *not* guaranteed by the constitution

Though it's not specifically enumerated the USSC has ruled privacy is a right. In the early 1800s the Supreme Court ruled that privacy, anonymity, is a bedrock of the freedom of political speech. If remaining anonymous wasn't possible then free political speech meant nothing because your speech could be held against you. The Founding Fathers thought this too otherwise many of the tracts that supported the War of Independence never would of been published seeing as how most of them were published anonymously. One of the few that did publish under name was Thomas Paine, he published The Crisis while serving in the Continental Army under Washington. It was in "The Crisis" where he wrote "These are the times that try men's souls." Otherwise many writers wrote about the war anonymously.

No jury on the planet would ever convict him, hopefully he won't be charged with anything. He's a whistle blower. But the Oval Office and Congress don't like to be exposed as what they are... corrupt & incompetent. So they send their dogs to scare him, as a message to the rest of us "Citizens", "Shut your fucking mouth, don't critisize your Goverment or we will fuck your life up!" And if you have any doubt about whether this was a blatant scare tactic and a complete abuse of Federal Goverment Power, here's a simply question, "Why do this in the middle of the fucking night to a Phd Student? An Academic!" In "America" Citizenship no longer entitles you to a trial by a jury of your peers(hey that citizen is an enemy combatant) or limits you being held without a charge. And now, The president can declare martial law ,nullifying some of the most important protections in the constitution againts using the fucking Army against Americans! Why? Because the Republicans are pussies that are scared of terrorists ... and are willing to give up the whole point of America, freedom. The purpose of starting America was NOT to be safe it was to be fucking "FREE". The Republicans failed at protecting the borders (incredibly simple) and failed in airport security.. (all the luggage isn't scanned) .. and they want to punish anyone who points that failure out.. like him. He's making the President and Congress look really stupid and incompetent, that's why the FBI is storming into his house in the middle of the night. When the Democrats have the Oval office and Congress .. hopefully we'll return to some semblance of Freedom again. Next time you hear some PUSSY on TV say that its necessary to sacrifice a little freedom for safety, remember this my friends... http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/henry-liberty.h tml

what is the point of privacy ... if you are dead

What's the point of being alive without Liberty?

It wasn't an idle statment when Patrick Henry said Give me Liberty or give me Death!
It is better to live free than die a slave.

Privacy is a fundamental key to Liberty. Without the fundamental right to privacy, Liberty cannot exist.

Seeing as it was his (keyword there) friend I'd strongly take his view point before a total stranger's (keyword here too) opinion. Now I don't want to go off on a rant here, but any religion or organization that attacks something like Harry Potter, a book that has children reading again is seriously in need of help and a wake up call to the 21st century. We're not in the crusades anymore people, theres no such things as witches, no burning people at the stakes anymore in the name of your false idol, no inbred bigots burning people because of skin color, or purifcation (making a generalization because it seems most of the aforementioned bigots believe themselves devout christians), not to mention the group in where ever that protested a soldier's FUNERAL because they say the goverment/army protects gays and allows them in the armed services. One other thing, the abortion issue... its not an issue, you don't save lives by killing doctors and single mothers! Jesus h-christ! Whens the last time you heard about a Jewish person or a Buddhist that bombed an abortion clinic, or protested at a funeral. Good day. Age of reason

And GNO/ME is a Unix-like environment for the Apple IIGS (see here).

I think there might also be some kind of program launcher or something for Unix called GNOME which is newer, not sure. :-)

Oh, wait...

The last part especially,

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"

Anyone know the status of the GS/Unix software? Haven't heard about it in years but the last thing I found said it went open source, problem is getting the thing networked, anyone with an Appletalk/Ethernet adapter for cheap?

GNO/ME 2.0 Information

Marinetti 2.0.1 TCP/IP stack for the AppleIIgs

GS/TCP TCP/IP using SLIP or macIP

heh.

Who attributed it to ol' Benny?

Last I checked, Patrick Henry said the "Liberty or Death" line.

Give me liberty, or give me death!

Check out the vocabulary and grammar. I hope we're educating comparable citizens in similar proportions today to what it was then, but somehow I doubt it...

Ok, note 1) I'm not a racist, note 2) I am an EXTREMELY loyal American, note 3) I am a bit of a history buff and I LOVE being right. This is a point that I can always be right on where everyone else is wrong.

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and Virginia (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkeley, Accomac, Morthhampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Anne, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth), and which excepted parts are for the present left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.

Which means that these cities were allowed to keep their slaves. IE, the emancipation proclaimation did NOT free the slaves in the US, it merely moved them into a smaller area.

We will have to remain focussed for quite a long time, maybe even years.

As horrible as it is to say it, in some ways this war will be good for America. Many people have worried that Americans were taking their freedom for granted, they had developed a psychology of complaint and victimization, they had stopped voting, they had become physically unfit and, in general, withdrawn from the political life of their country to watch game shows on television.

Usually the people who harped on these points had dubious motives themselves and were appealing to the same resentment and victimization that they decried.

However, surely one of the things that motivated the terrorists must have been the perception that Americans were soft and too attached to creature comforts to respond. What would they have seen during the many months they trained in the United States to disabuse them?

To defeat the terrorists we may have to become better people, at least in the sense of being willing to put aside our comforts for liberty.

War is absolutely the worst way to have your greatness tested. It brings out the worst in a nation as well as the best. However, no one doubts that America emerged from World War II stronger than ever, with a devotion to its institutions and a realistic appreciation of its international responsibilities that only sacrifice can bring.

If this war is a new kind that is fought not only by soldiers in uniform but by every citizen, then so much the better.

Funny, I spent most of last night looking at this stuff! Here's some interesting stuff I uncovered, fits right in:
http://www.hughes.net/~gcifu/applemuseum/index.htm l
http://www.hypermall.com/History/

I stayed up way too late reading the last one last night...

"Steve Jobs made the case to Xerox PARC execs directly that they had great [though immature] technology but that Apple knew how to make it affordable enough to change the world. This was very open. In the end, Xerox got a large block of Apple stock for sharing the technology. That's not stealing at all. Apple didn't get any stock from Microsoft. Nor was Apple dealt with openly in this area by Microsoft."

I then wrote a 256 byte "Monitor" program which watched the keyboard for hex data entry (address:data data data) and hex display and program initiation ("Run").

]CALL -151

At the asterisk Monitor prompt, request the Mini-Assembler:

*!

Which is the same as doing:

*F666G

I don't know if you could get a formal position, but by all means, start a web site! Even a lucid history with pointers to resources would be nice.

There's a fairly comprehensive history of the Apple II up at http://www.hypermall.com/History. There's tons of info in there if you have any interest in the II (and who here doesn't? :-) ).

(No, I didn't write it...but I have a minor contribution in the section on foreign magazines for the II. The whole series was put together over the course of several months on GEnie (anyone else remember them?) and eventually found its way onto the 'net.)

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SWTPc

UniFlex

Lemonade Stand!!

Apple ][ history

Second question:
I got into computers a bit too late to have the life-changing Apple ][ experience that so many people here have mentioned. Nevertheless, now that I style myself a "computer historian", I have one of my own and have learned how influential the machine was. During your tenure at Apple Computer, which computer were you most excited to have a hand in creating? If it was an Apple ][, which one? Was it because of how much fun it was to make, or the people you worked with, or how important you'd thought it would be?

Third question:
Did you have any part in the creation of Apple's Lisa computer? (it's my specialty, so I admit I've been curious for a while.)

Thanks,
--Tom

No wonder that many slashdotters are assuming iD owns the whole franchise of Wolfenstein. People born after "Castle Wolfenstein" are legally able to vote and join the Army.

Anyone else remember the sound of a 1MHz 8bit processor trying to modulate an 8ohm speaker directly, to curse in German?

Kinda interesting that the entire top ten popular software were games, except for #7, which was an operating system. Talk about your "killer apps."

I was reading these just before this story popped up.
http://www.bitlaw.com/internet/index.html
http://www.bitlaw.com/internet/linking.html
http://www.bitlaw.com/internet/webpage.html#linkin g
http://www.bitlaw.com/links/articles.html#Internet
http://www.patents.com/weblaw.sht#lo
http://www.bitlaw.com/hot/totalnews.html

Here's why I was reading about this:
http://libertyonline.hypermall.co m/copyright.html

And for more fun, view the source of this one:
(extracted from a frameset)
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4446/con tent.html

Picking up a gun is not the way to make your country better. Don't assume you have no power as a citizen beyond the threat of force; that should be your *last* resort. Realize that the you have much more potential influence over government in the US than the average person in most other countries does over theirs. Speak to your representatives about this, because someone should.

It's about time someone said this, and now I've heard it I'll be saying it over and over myself.

Democracy has become irrelevant in the US, thanks to the entrenched power of the Pentagon, its corporate subsidiaries and other major corporations, the two major parties

The ridiculous individualist ideology which values guns and investment above community and the vote keeps those people who might do something to improve public policy in opposition to public policy *itself*, as though the only possible policy was fascism. This leaves the US's more subtle, less fascist fascists firmly in control.

But the democratic institutions themselves exist! The US is, technically, a democratic country! Never mind that the Constitution (I mean the 1787 one, not the 1777 one) crippled the independent, radical democracy of the New England states; even Madison's document, designed to let "the people who own the country ... run the country" allows for 'the people' to influence decisions at the highest level.

The US polity is flawed and its government (including the unaccountable corporate elite) is fundamentally serving its own interests alone. But violence is not the way to change that.

Thanks.

J